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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Man, this was a great shonen manga, the last two JoJo's Bizarre Adventure were alright, but this one takes all the glory. I was skeptical at first about trowing out the "ripple" and replacing it with "stand", but thanks to that we got to see a lot of unique and interesting fights. 8/10 Awesome series. |
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| When I first started reading this part years ago, I was disappointed by this too, even to the point of losing interest. Surprisingly, it got much better by the latter half. Great manga, although for me it can't beat the crystallized epicness of the first two parts. PS: did I said Jotaro is a master troll? Well, Joseph just shows that you can't top Grandpa Troll! |
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| This part 3 is considered to be the most successful one, with Jotaro the most popular character. |
| Just reread this part while listening to the respective songs for each stand. Still one of the best Shounen. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI-kHl8pvZ0 |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| Not really sure what I'm thinking about this. I liked the good guys, the battles were creative and so were the stands. But one thing was bad. The story. Basically, they are going to the west and kicking random villain of the volume's ass. The only villain who had more screentime was Hol Horse. Everyone else was pretty much random villain. Even Dio was lack luster. He only appeared at the end for one long battle. Who knows, maybe I expected too much. Also I don't know how people who haven't read the first two parts ended up liking this part (only this part reached the west if I'm not wrong). Many people love Dio, but looking at Dio only in this part, he wasn't really impressive. He was only great because we know him from Part 1. |
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| Personally I think this was where Jojo's Bizarre Adventure really took off. Yeah, it was battle of the week and all but, seriously with the diversity of the Stands it didn't really matter at all to me. Jotaro was cool as fuck too and probably ranks as my favorite protagonist of the series so far. This final battle was incredible as well. Looking forward to seeing this animated, I can't even begin to say how much more I liked this than the first two parts. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| I found it inferior to Battle Tendency, but still pretty damn good. Jotaro is my favorite character in SC so far. The villains were 'meh', a part The Gambler/The Gamer/Dio and someone else that i'm surely forgetting. Also, can't wait to seeing this animated. |
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| Awesome, Holly is healthy with Dio's death. And everything seemed like it worked well. That was awesome and incredible adventure with all the main characters. I lost track how many Stand users there were in the series though...but it was still a fun ride. 9/10. |
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| Really awesome series, the stands were creative, the battles were awesome, it had some mind game parts with the D'arby brothers, and the fight with Dio was great. |
| This chapter is the end? meh It could be better But I'm feeling refreshed after reading because there's nearly 1 volume per fight. Nowadays, people just want to see fast fights in battle shounens and I think this is complety absurd. The fights don't satisfy me anymore. I'm hoping that the next parts are better and better. |
| I wish Araki had ended it with more of an epilogue, but eh what can you do. Amazing series! |
| That was a really fun read. Dio's fight and some of the others in Egypt were awesome. Looking forward for that to get animated. Joseph surviving like that was a bit too ridiculous for me but I think I can roll with it. Better than surviving a semi-meteor crash. |
Akanezora said: I found it inferior to Battle Tendency. It's probably because I watched the 2012 JoJo anime first, but I also found SC to be not as good. I want more build up and emotional impact around each battle. It seems like Araki went more with quantity rather than quality on this one (albeit it was still a good arc). |
SuperLlama said: wailofthebanshee said: People like this because it has a japanese protagonist and the story begins in japan. That's it. The japs are extremely racist like that. Nope. Part 5 is extremely popular in Japan too, and it takes place in Italy and has an Italian protagonist. I agree with this wholeheartedly. |
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| The fight with Dio was so great. Still sad that Iggy, Abdul, and Kakyoin were lost in this journey. I have to say, I didn't get care for the "monster of the week" aspect of Stardust Crusaders but the amazing character chemistry and the great battle scenes easily override that complaint for me. Looking forward to reading rest of the parts. I can't wait to see the Dio's World chapters animated. |
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| Truth be told, I think watching the anime adaption (David Pro's) significantly hurt my read through of Stardust Crusaders. The few chapters near the beginning of the Egypt Arc (from N'Doul to D'Arby the Gambler) were probably my favorite chapters & those are the only ones that I read before seeing the anime. Obviously this doesn't stop the source material from being really entertaining during it's highs, like the fight with Vanilla Ice. David Pro wasn't shining a turd, they were enhancing something generally great but I still felt like I was reading an inferior version. Although ignoring that, the pre-Egypt stuff was pretty hit or miss with plenty of boring or lame fights with few select moments of greatest (Death 13 for example). The quality in the second half of the manga was much stronger. 7/10 in total for me. Really excited for Part 4, will probably start that up soon-ish. |
| Seems like each part just keeps getting better and better! Don't know why people didn't like this one so much, I mean yeah the monster of week was pretty tedious, some villains were great while others were meh but everything else from the aesthetics (thank god for no more bad body proportions) fights, characters etc..was a huge step up from part I and II imo. Jotaro is definitely my favourite JoJo atm. 8/10 |
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| My favorite part and some of the most fun I've ever had reading manga. The battle with Dio was a sight to behold, and I'm so happy my two favorite characters didn't perish. While I would've maybe liked a bit more finality with the remaining Stardust Crusaders (like the little epilogue narrations at the end of part 2) but since the three of them are seen in further parts, I suppose I don't mind all that much. Overall, this manga was never not entertaining, I had a blast reading this part, and typically had a smile on my face whilst doing so. |
| And it's over, let's say RIP to Avol, Iggy and Kakyouin again, without them Dio would have won. But lol, only Joseph would joke in that situation. |
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| I wonder how Weird Al reacted when he found out that he got a shoutout from Joseph Joestar. Dude just came back from the dead and the first thing he decides to do is to impersonate their greatest enemy after all. Like all hard-fought victories, it was a given for them to be happy that the goal they all risked their lives for was finally attained but the losses that have occurred on the way prevented them from reaching the point of celebration because all that's left is bittersweet relief that Holly's saved. |
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| Queueing up that Beatles song when Joseph did was a great way to close out this part. Get back, JoJo! |
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| A broad look into what Stardust Crusaders means to me I didn’t cry the entirety of Stardust Crusaders outside one or two tears or watery eyes. The way I saw the deaths were as cool setpieces. The way Abdul got disintegrated was shocking to a degree I never expected to see in a shounen. Kakyoin getting blasted from downtown is brutal and cool and while it all happens, the fighting never stops. It’s rad, some of the raddest deaths I’ve seen, but not emotional. That is, until I began this chapter and the mere freaking mention of Kakyoin’s body being found, and Polnareaff being unconscious made me start sobbing. Jojo has done this twice to me, it’s hit me with emotions I can’t control on a level faster than I can logically understand and I find that beautiful. The other time this happened was when I suddenly found myself crying for Wham, but this was a whole new level. I was sobbing the entire chapter. In this emotional reaction the entire journey had been contextualized. The way I felt this manga was skippable episodic content sticking to a formula until finally having the freedom to break that formula in the climax has been challenged. In this bittersweet conclusion, upon seeing Dio burn along with the life he has taken and the remaining bros split up and say their goodbyes evoked a strong sense of loss for the fallen comrades we spent so much time with, and a sense of gratefulness for those who made it this far. It was a statement, a representation of our temporal existence. Nothing lasts forever, so we ought to reflect on the journey that felt so episodic. We better appreciate the fun we had, the triumphs we felt, and the friends we made. They could all be gone in an instant as the lack of prolonged grieving scenes and goodbyes masterfully represent, making us appreciate our comrades more when we can. I think the way Stardust Crusaders doesn’t have characters who explode off the page in a way the previous parts did plays into this because no one individual is the point of the text. What we have is the unit, the group, the camaraderie and it evokes a feeling that moves beyond the page in the way a character cannot. It’s the connection that the heroes fought to the bitter end for. When seeing the story in this light, can I even have an issue with it? The criticisms I thought I held pale in comparison to the strong pay off that was created. It made me feel an appreciation for life and it affected me in a distinct way which manga hasn’t before. It was seriously profound to have all of this pour in through my emotions when I hadn’t even realized it myself. In fact if anything, my criticisms made the ending all the more powerful. There were times that I was somewhat bored. I wanted to rush to the ‘good bits’ and I wanted to see the characters die, I wanted to see the relaxing formula of guys having fun distort. By doing this, I missed the entire point and it took a sobering conclusion to make me realize what I missed. It changes the way I interact with the entire text! It makes me want to make sure I fight to the bitter end and live moment to moment like this story is about. To make the best out of even the hardest of situations and to carry those who fall with me. Specific Thoughts To talk more specifically about potential issues I had and their redirection, I’d like to start with stands. Their existence already felt valuable in their creativity and problem solving but they were elusive and each stand of the week had different rulesets. I didn’t care about learning their ins and outs like I did for ripple users, vampires, or pillar men, they were often more like gimmicks to wait until Araki told me how to beat them and then forget about them. However, I realize as later parts will likely have more recurrent villains, this issue will go away. I will likely hang onto every ability and possibility of these powers because they will hold more importance. The issue I brought up before of pacing and formula created a world that was never fully gripping until its peaks but in retrospect that’s the point. We were supposed to enjoy our time with it, not be racing through and dismissing everything that wasn’t crucial. The heroes being less distinct was touched on above in that they formed a coherent sense of camaraderie and a unit which complimented the broader picture. The villains were obviously not that remarkable due to their short standing, I won’t remember many of them at all beyond their powers. Yet, they served their purpose, and some were really effective. Again this is about the connection of friends beyond all else, not deep and intricate villains with motivations! But I will get into Dio later because I adored him. At first all my critical thoughts made me feel as if my opinion was set in stone when it comes to my favorite Jojo parts. Phantom Blood is one of my favorite manga, and I love reflecting on its characters and ideas. Battle Tendency had some wonderful concepts and it was a blast but it sat in the shadow of Phantom Blood when it came to what I was interested in. What I mean to say is that if I wanted Jojo I’d prefer to read more Phantom Blood rather than reread Battle Tendency. With this in mind, I thought Stardust Crusaders was the part I enjoyed least, however it was unique enough that it was nowhere near the shadow that Phantom Blood left, it was completely its own creation. Because of this, despite enjoying Battle Tendency more consistently, I actually favoured Stardust Crusaders. However, suddenly in one recontextualizing chapter, Stardust Crusaders did something to me even Phantom Blood didn’t do. It imprinted one strong, meaningful and personal point into my dang soul. Looking back, all these issues I had started to dwindle away. Ultimately my point in this paragraph is expressing that no longer do I favour Stardust Crusaders over Battle Tendency because of the shadow left by Phantom Blood, but rather that I prefer it on its own merit and very much appreciate that merit. I’d like to finish this post by expressing succinctly why Dio sincerely impressed me because the amount of rambling I did in past posts may have been unclear and far more confusing than it had to be. I love this rendition of Dio because, despite burying the inherently human and personal weakness inside of him and making him appear hollow, terrifying, and monstrous rather than tragic, his core is still deeply human. His drive for purpose is something relatable and understandable and it’s no surprise he turned out this way. He is still distinctly human despite playing a different role and being more monstrous than ever. And that is really dang cool. Currently rating this part a 7/10 or 8/10, we’ll see how it grows over time! |
| While Part 3's anime adaptation is my least favorite anime from JoJo franchise, I was pretty much skeptical about reading Part 3 manga, although many people encouraged me to do read it, since it fixed a lot of things that I found annoying in Part 3's anime adaptation. And they were right. Jotaro is really likeable character with his own specific personality (he is not that expressive like Joseph, but he's a good guy); the pacing is way, way better; fights are more interesting and more dynamic. I'm not saying that Part 3's anime was bad. It was good in its own way, expanding the source material by a lot of things that served their purpose as additional content. I just didn't like it. It was too long, too slow and did not make a good transition from Hamon to Stands. Unlike the manga. I really liked this manga. Very good one, filled with great action, likeable characters, a lot of humor and bizarre situations. In fact, at least when it comes to JoJo manga, Stardust Crusaders became one of my favorite JoJo mangas. ;-) |
| An emotional conclusion to a fantastic part. I'll really miss this and I loved it. What a great farewell between Polnareff, Jotaro and Joseph. "Avdol, Iggy, Kakyoin, it's over" hit hard too 5/5 Conclusion |
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| I love battle shounen like I’m still seven years old, but can’t do anything about it. I was born in 1991 so this serie has more or less the same age as me, and even though it’s a pretty old manga, I really enjoyed it a lot. Slightly improved from the previous one, but not by much, so I’ll give it a 8/10 too. |
| Great ending for a great manga. |
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| After rereading it, I still prefer the anime adaptation. Could always go on about how overrated it is compared to what came before and after, but that's not exactly an unpopular sentiment anymore. And besides, it still has undeniable style. |
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