| The world is going crazier and crazier each year. Climate change brings droughts and floods. Energy prices are exploding - German politicians have recently told us to stop taking showers and to wash ourselves with filthy (because they also told us to not wash our clothes anymore) washcloths instead. Apocalypse is coming. What will we put on our children if everything just promises to get worse day by day? What is your opinion on bringing a new life into this world at this state? I guess the reason people are still having children is that they're just following their most deep-rooted instincts, and I can't blame them. But... what do you guys think? |
If life ain't just a joke Then why are we laughing? If life ain't just a joke Then why am I dead? |
| It's irresponsible to have children in ANY day and age. |
| Not really, there's resources out there for parents. More than likely a family is going to get emergency services in turbulent times than people without children. I consider it an advantage. Now- some people do not handle stress or responsibility well, thus cannot handle the mental fortitude it takes to raise a child. 1 child is manageable, i myself will not have anymore children (only have a 3 year old) it's not that hard to make sure your kid is fed, housed, and doesnt die. Sure my childs future will most likely be SH!T but thats why i take personal responsibility by establishing savings for my childs future . It looks bleak, but life is truly what you make it. Happy attitude, happy family = happy life. |
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| It was really irresponsible that @OP's ancestors had sex during the Black Death. This thread wouldn't have existed then. BRB getting a time machine. |
| Standards of living are getting worse, but that is still your decision. I am a sub 5 so I would never have any. Lol |
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| It was really irresponsible that @OP had sex today. Now his descendants in the 41st Millennium have to deal with Orcs. |
| The problem is not with getting children, the problem is the government and the supporters of this ridiculous circus. A lot of the flooding problems are btw very bad city planning. If you seal too much space, water will have it harder to be stored under the ground. Also, getting rid of more trees for the sake of more windmills that are a big and deadly obstacle for birds or for solar panels that heat up the nearby temperature even more is a stupid idea, particularly when trees can hold down the water They really want to make the Federal Republic go bankrupt before its 100th anniversary |
Noboru said: Good things happened when a German Republic goes bankrupt.The problem is not with getting children, the problem is the government and the supporters of this ridiculous circus. A lot of the flooding problems are btw very bad city planning. If you seal too much space, water will have it harder to be stored under the ground. Also, getting rid of more trees for the sake of more windmills that are a big and deadly obstacle for birds or for solar panels that heat up the nearby temperature even more is a stupid idea, particularly when trees can hold down the water They really want to make the Federal Republic go bankrupt before its 100th anniversary |
vasipi4946 said: Not really, unless you meant it ironic or sarcastic. It really sounds as if they plan to stir things up and radicalize the peopleNoboru said: Good things happened when a German Republic goes bankrupt.They really want to make the Federal Republic go bankrupt before its 100th anniversary |
Noboru said: vasipi4946 said: Not really, unless you meant it ironic or sarcastic. It really sounds as if they plan to stir things up and radicalize the peopleGood things happened when a German Republic goes bankrupt. you shouldn't take vasipi4946 seriously. This guy is an alt, a troll and he just wants to stir things up. Responding to him is wasted time. |
If life ain't just a joke Then why are we laughing? If life ain't just a joke Then why am I dead? |
Illuminatli said: When you think of it deeply enough, everything in our lives is wasted time.Noboru said: Not really, unless you meant it ironic or sarcastic. It really sounds as if they plan to stir things up and radicalize the people you shouldn't take vasipi4946 seriously. This guy is an alt, a troll and he just wants to stir things up. Responding to him is wasted time. |
| If you have the time and desire to discuss these issues on Internet forums, then you obviously do not need to worry about the possibility of having children. |
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Droughts and floods have always existed, and energy prices will go down eventually. So there are absolutely no reasons to stop producing lolis. I'd say go right ahead. ๐๐  |
| It's only irresponsible if someone clearly doesn't have any means to raise their children properly, like not having enough money to even feed them. If they have enough income to support both them and their children and they intend to educate and raise their kids properly then it's not irresponsible. |
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| You are free to be childless but you don't need to invent reasons why people deciding different from you are irresponsible. You aren't superior for avoiding hardship. |
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Rinrinka said: What about people in the poorest countries? Does it mean that it's irresponsible for them to produce a new generation?It's only irresponsible if someone clearly doesn't have any means to raise their children properly, like not having enough money to even feed them. Nekoburger said: lol nice picture and very good pointDroughts and floods have always existed, and energy prices will go down eventually. So there are absolutely no reasons to stop producing lolis. I'd say go right ahead. ๐๐ Illuminatli said: I know that, but still wish to talk about relevant things. And topics like this one bring up very important questions about the future and about the current stateNoboru said: Not really, unless you meant it ironic or sarcastic. It really sounds as if they plan to stir things up and radicalize the people you shouldn't take vasipi4946 seriously. This guy is an alt, a troll and he just wants to stir things up. Responding to him is wasted time. |
| just limit them to 1-2 children and teach them environmentalism too |
Rinrinka said: Irresponsibility is a Spook when you take into account the sole purpose of life is to have children. In which case the responsible pay the tabs of the irresponsible. It's only irresponsible if someone clearly doesn't have any means to raise their children properly, like not having enough money to even feed them. If they have enough income to support both them and their children and they intend to educate and raise their kids properly then it's not irresponsible. This happens not just with children but other stuff. Like responsible taxpayers need to pay for jails, pay for irresponsible people that cheat the system, and so on and so forth. Thus there is no reason to be responsible in the first place. This is why Religions such as Christianity won out and Animism where you respect everything has died out. Christianity says outright in the first part of the Bible that Mankind is 100% irresponsible so it's not your fault, just pray to some kid an irresponsible 14 year old girl living in poverty had while living in the poorest place on the Earth and everything is alright. Taking into that last sentence I said into account, everything in our society is irresponsible. |
vasipi4946Aug 24, 2022 2:55 PM
| The average person in 2022: 1) Is nihilist. 2) Is anti-natalist. 3) Is a deaf metal fan. 4) Thinks that Bruckner is the brand of a vacuum cleaner. 5) Only knows Picasso for Guernica and thinks that he is an "abstract" painter. 6) Has never heard about Grothendieck, but when they do, only thinks about making sexual jokes on his name. You can blame your stupid Grüne for that... Germany should never have closed its nuclear plants. Now Hanover forces people to have cold showers... But all of that would stop if Europe stopped being a farce and America's bootlicker. The Apocalypse has already happened by the way. It ended in 1945 before Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Nekoburger said: Droughts and floods have always existed, and energy prices will go down eventually. So there are absolutely no reasons to stop producing lolis. I'd say go right ahead. ๐๐ People who have children are not thinking about "producing (sic) 'lolis' (erk)" so that weirdos jack off on child porn. Get help. vasipi4946 said: It was really irresponsible that @OP's ancestors had sex during the Black Death. This thread wouldn't have existed then. BRB getting a time machine. OP called you a troll, but you are right, and the living conditions are only getting better. Droughts, floodings? We have the technology to protect most people from such natural catastrophes, and a world government could solve most of our environmental issues. Sadly, most people are too busy fighting over boring countries of Eastern Europe and injecting in their veins Orwellian residues to think about what a world government would bring us. A good reason to have children: give them a chance to see the Celestial Jerusalem. |
| Got you covered : https://www.vhemt.org/index.htm Have fun with those guys. As for me... I want a biiiiiiig family with noise and laughter and cries and running around ;)  Edit : @Meusnier Merci l'ami ;) |
MoonspeakAug 24, 2022 9:09 PM
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| Less children = Less usage of stuff which makes bad things but no one said that having less people will actually repair everything x) it is the same as with suicide it does not solve the problems it brings only more. If you or anyone have knowledge to stop everything than fine I might consider not having children in future, otherwise I'd rather have them and maybe the next generation will not be as cursed and broken as the current ones so they will invent new stuff and solutions which we need, cause people like you won't be able to do that any time and any where. What will we put on our children? Hope that they will be smarter than us and do something which we can't. World in this state? Human did world into such state and world from what I know will not fix itself magically cause of the next generation dissaperance. Apocalypse is coming since early ancient times, I guess somehow it haven't happened yet and in some times it was very close to bring extinction to human race. I don't know how much you're addicted to technology such as showers but people used washclothes since centuries and suddenly but now when people are not allowed to use such technologies they freak out and do weird things. I don't care if I will have to use washclothes or take a bath in a river, afterall my profile reveals that I would be more happy with older solutions instead of nowadays. Narutal causes existed since dinosaurs era, flood, droughts, there were even natural climate changes, believe it or not at 14th century the Baltic sea was completely frozen and you could go by charriots/ski/foot from Poland to Sweden, and in the middle was an Inn [it still debatable but something like that existed maybe not in the middle but on ice literally]. Even if global warming has 0% natural causes it won't dissapear suddenly like in physics and chemistry you can't delete the exitstance of force or chemical process you can transfer them into something else or a new task or something like that, so we need smart people for it. But guess what, age and time has affects on memory and mentality, so without new scientists who would come with solution we ain't repairing anything x). I'd rather have a kid who in 0.01% might become someone who will have at least a part of solution than spread complaints and do nothing, I wonder how much do you help the enviroment instead of talking? Personally I try to limit stuff which causes damage as much as I can, I hope you do that too. |
ZettaikenAug 24, 2022 4:02 PM
Moonspeak said: Got you covered : https://www.vhemt.org/index.htm Have fun with those guys. As for me... I want a biiiiiiig family with noise and laughter and cries and running around ;) Finally a nice reply from you! Are all these people for real with the "things are too horrible to have children today"? They should know that their children have good chances to be texhnolyzed! How lucky of them! |
| Historically, half of all children died before they even reached puberty. Even as recently as the 20th century, millions of children died just from small pox. And you are complaining about energy prices. Children born today would have a better life than 99% of their ancestors. We live in very good times. |
Meusnier said: I almost didn't expect to see it happening, but this is the first time in long where I pretty much agree with you, for the most partThe average person in 2022: 1) Is nihilist. 2) Is anti-natalist. 3) Is a deaf metal fan. 4) Thinks that Bruckner is the brand of a vacuum cleaner. 5) Only knows Picasso for Guernica and thinks that he is an "abstract" painter. 6) Has never heard about Grothendieck, but when they do, only thinks about making sexual jokes on his name. You can blame your stupid Grüne for that... Germany should never have closed its nuclear plants. Now Hanover forces people to have cold showers... But all of that would stop if Europe stopped being a farce and America's bootlicker. |
_meimei said: Meusnier said: Ughhh, but I felt so special for liking this painting </3 :’)…The average person in 2022: 5) Only knows Picasso for Guernica and thinks that he is an "abstract" painter. To answer thread, I love big families so I’m all for children as long as they’re being brought into a home with proper love and care. My bad, I was not trying to target you! Sorry if you felt insulted (I also said "know," not "like"! So you are pretty special in my book). |
_meimei said: Ohh no, don’t worry! I’m just playing. It was a good burn as always ;). Okay, good to hear. I have edited my reply by the way, and thank you. |
| As mentioned by others, wars, famine and other global issues will remain, thus making the era irrelevant. It is irresponsible to have a children for selfish reasons, which occurs rather frequently. Otherwise, go ahead and give birth to as many as you want. Here are some of those selfish reasons which people often overlook: 1.) Guilt-tripping them into being their cash cows during retirement. (Common in Asian household). 2.) Having children despite financial incapability. There is no such thing as stable job, but that's where back-up plans come in. 3.) Hoping that children will provide them the ultimate joy in life. 4.) Using them as a motive or blackmail tool for romantic pursuit. 5.) Blaming them about your unfinished career goals. 6.) Making them finish your career goals. 7.) Not providing the emotional support either voluntary or due to lack of time. 8.) Unplanned birth. 100% selfish. 9.) No further plans in life, so resorting to childbirth instead. Boredom. 10.) Maternal instinct. I have a womb, so why not? |
 ใใใจใใซ ๅใใจๆใธ ๅฑฑๆก ่ฑใใๅคใซ ็ฅใไบบใใชใ. On a mountain slope, Solitary, uncompanioned, Stands a cherry tree. Except for you, lonely friend, To others I am unknown. |
| It isn't irresponsible for everybody, but it isn't a smart decision for many people. The reasons why it isn't smart are the people themselves. |
And if you look at your reflection Is it all you want it to be? |
Meusnier said: did you know that we're on track to eliminate extreme poverty worldwide by the end of the 2030s? Humanity is doing better than ever before.the living conditions are only getting better. Droughts, floodings? We have the technology to protect most people from such natural catastrophes, and a world government could solve most of our environmental issues. Sadly, most people are too busy fighting over boring countries of Eastern Europe and injecting in their veins Orwellian residues to think about what a world government would bring us. A good reason to have children: give them a chance to see the Celestial Jerusalem. Climate change is a concern, but future tech might also just come in clutch and save our asses. I just don't get how being a doomer is justified in todays day and age. We're owning it across the board. You just have to look at the actually important metrics to realise that. |
| "my life at this state could be transposed into a pretty massive biography" - Cneq, "the guy who was literally using BTC in 2012 to make deals in the first main instance of a digital itemized economy forming naturally in all human history (also the precursor of NFTs) and who had 20k+ total trades.", 23 years old MAL's most prolific antivaxxer, Noboru. |
| It's only irresponsible if you think you are not cut out for it. If you are perfectly responsible and are able to give them a good life then there is nothing wrong with that. Dont let external factors decide what you do with your own life. |
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| Not really ideally you have 2 kids and that would be it. Unless you plan to off yourself once you hit retirement age. Since the government picks up the tab people forget why people in the past often needed kids or some kind of family. That said it still applies generally to the state. If you aren't having kids better hope someone is having 4 so they can pick up your tab if you live in a state that has welfare or pensions. Plus the issue environmentally is consumption and how we are living. You could have a lot more people on this planet and it be sustainable. Whether people want to change and adjust their life to acclimate those people is another story. If you are just basing it on the world sucks everything is getting worse the world in terms of pleasure is still vastly better than what everyone was going through 80 some years ago. We honestly at least in the first world are living in an age of decadence if anything. |
BilboBaggins365Aug 24, 2022 7:43 PM
| We should ship all the irresponsible people that have babies to Mars. That's what the Brits did with Aussie Land. |
| No. If you plan and want to have kids. It's not a crime. Every generation has an apocalyptic future predicted. And yet humans have persevered till now. But hey, if we don't this time and this time it really really really is doomsday then do what you think will protect your kids. You can't predict everything in life. We can't even predict the current weather, heatwaves and flash floods every couple months now but we predict that the world will end in the next 50 years. It's just more noise form social media now, it's easier to spread fear of doomsday and humans just love doomsday article. No one wants "good news" yuck. |
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| it sort of depends. are you financially stable? if no then please don't have kids are you in an ok spot mentally? if no then please don't have kids are you ready to provide for another human being? if no then please don't have kids also if you are below 20 then please please don't have kids i've seen so many kids abandoned just because of their damn parents |
| As long as you have a stable and happy family, I don't see how it can be considered irresponsible, really. I don't have anything against childfree couples, but having kids would only bring (long-term) happiness, in my opinion. These problems you are talking about are only temporary and will be fixed. You guys live in one of the best countries in the world, in the best period of human existence so far. It will all be okay. ^^ |
Illuminatli said: bro Germany is still awesome come to the 3rd world Country then we talk with half day electricity no money, inflation, not even a single job, bad infrastructure, outside is like u come to the 1600s or something but more ugly. Bad education, weird people cause no Education. U can just survive that is all just eat food for a day boom and sleep sometimes with Power I'm just glad i have internet phew! U can have Kids if u want just see if u r ready, and about the world, sometimes stuff change really quickly so u might not wanna think about that, it can also go from bad to goodThe world is going crazier and crazier each year. Climate change brings droughts and floods. Energy prices are exploding - German politicians have recently told us to stop taking showers and to wash ourselves with filthy (because they also told us to not wash our clothes anymore) washcloths instead. Apocalypse is coming. What will we put on our children if everything just promises to get worse day by day? What is your opinion on bringing a new life into this world at this state? I guess the reason people are still having children is that they're just following their most deep-rooted instincts, and I can't blame them. But... what do you guys think? |
HERO123456Aug 25, 2022 2:35 AM
| Not necessarily since responsibility is something to be shared when it’s big things not burdened on a select few to take up everyone else’s slack which isn’t even possible. These problems all tie back to people not standing up enough against the people in control that are causing these problems to be so bad. |
| Why wouldn't you want to raise a little human in the apocalypse? The nukes will welcome them well into the world. Sike. Have lots of children. Struggle through parenthood, and persevere through the apocalypse. It's the only way to a fulfilled life. Work, and art can't fill the void of raising a life. There's plenty good in this world still, so take them for walks, play some Fortnite together, post on anime forums together. And end your life on a good note, surrounded by the children you put painstaking effort into raising. Or doompost on an anime forum...alone. |
Noboru said: Meusnier said: I almost didn't expect to see it happening, but this is the first time in long where I pretty much agree with you, for the most partThe average person in 2022: 1) Is nihilist. 2) Is anti-natalist. 3) Is a deaf metal fan. 4) Thinks that Bruckner is the brand of a vacuum cleaner. 5) Only knows Picasso for Guernica and thinks that he is an "abstract" painter. 6) Has never heard about Grothendieck, but when they do, only thinks about making sexual jokes on his name. You can blame your stupid Grüne for that... Germany should never have closed its nuclear plants. Now Hanover forces people to have cold showers... But all of that would stop if Europe stopped being a farce and America's bootlicker. Vielen Dank, sehr geehrter Herr Noboru. Railey2 said: Meusnier said: did you know that we're on track to eliminate extreme poverty worldwide by the end of the 2030s? Humanity is doing better than ever before.the living conditions are only getting better. Droughts, floodings? We have the technology to protect most people from such natural catastrophes, and a world government could solve most of our environmental issues. Sadly, most people are too busy fighting over boring countries of Eastern Europe and injecting in their veins Orwellian residues to think about what a world government would bring us. A good reason to have children: give them a chance to see the Celestial Jerusalem. Climate change is a concern, but future tech might also just come in clutch and save our asses. I just don't get how being a doomer is justified in todays day and age. We're owning it across the board. You just have to look at the actually important metrics to realise that. No, I did not know that, thank you for sharing this link. Glad to hear that you do not buy the teenage "doomer" myths. Monotonous said: As mentioned by others, wars, famine and other global issues will remain, thus making the era irrelevant. It is irresponsible to have a children for selfish reasons, which occurs rather frequently. Otherwise, go ahead and give birth to as many as you want. Here are some of those selfish reasons which people often overlook: 1.) Guilt-tripping them into being their cash cows during retirement. (Common in Asian household). 2.) Having children despite financial incapability. There is no such thing as stable job, but that's where back-up plans come in. 3.) Hoping that children will provide them the ultimate joy in life. 4.) Using them as a motive or blackmail tool for romantic pursuit. 5.) Blaming them about your unfinished career goals. 6.) Making them finish your career goals. 7.) Not providing the emotional support either voluntary or due to lack of time. 8.) Unplanned birth. 100% selfish. 9.) No further plans in life, so resorting to childbirth instead. Boredom. 10.) Maternal instinct. I have a womb, so why not? I do not think that anyone who has children completely lacks of selfishness... It is fine to have a few selfish reasons in mind as long as one able to become a good parent. 1), for example, makes sense if you live in a country with poor social benefits for the elderly. I agree with 2), 4), 5), 6), 7) and 9) though. 6) is especially despicable, and parents should not have a say on the career of their children. However, it might be a perfectly reasonable goal in life to raise children, and I fail to see what is so bad about 3). 10) is quite banal, and it almost feels that you are parodying a robot trying to act like a human being. People desire to have children, they do not coldly think about creating new taxpayers or soldiers for the Republic. In fact, if it were not for the maternal instinct, almost no one would have children most likely. |
Moonspeak said: Got you covered : https://www.vhemt.org/index.htm Have fun with those guys. As for me... I want a biiiiiiig family with noise and laughter and cries and running around ;) Edit : @Meusnier Merci l'ami ;) Lol that's my house. The oldest one is starting to run now. It's fun but tiring. I don't think having kids is irresponsible. Ultimately kids are the future. If everyone stopped having kids we would have no future and I don't want anyone deciding who does and who doesn't get to have them. @deg what about people who have multiples in one pregnancy? One of the NICU pictures was of quintuplets! |
_Lycka_ said: @deg what about people who have multiples in one pregnancy? One of the NICU pictures was of quintuplets! those are exceptions to the rule so they are allowed |
| No thanks I hate children. I hate the parents even more Hahaha. |
| doesn't it always depend on your financial status as well as personal maturity? |
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| It depends on your financial situation. If you were born into a rich family with a lot of assets then by all means you could have as many children as you like. But if you belong to the working class or lower, it's advisable to forget about having children if you don't want to live the rest of your life in misery. Rearing children requires a huge time and financial investment, you're definitely not cut out for that when you barely scraping by. It's the cold hard truth. Having a job is not enough because in this day and age you could be laid off anytime. Unfortunately, many couples force it with unfounded optimism. Often the men are uncertain about the prospect, but the women would say something like this "it's okay honey, we will get through together" and the men would buy it. That's either a deliberate lie or impulsive words by the women. When shit hits the fan, the women would be the first to bail on the men. If that's not worse enough, they'd also take away the children, the house, and all of the money with them. It's a fact, multiple statistics show that the overwhelming majority of divorce is initiated by women and the most common reason for divorce is financial problems. If you are a man, you should always use your reasoning ability to see through women's words because they have weak control over their emotions and often say things that they don't really mean. Heck, they have an emotional breakdown every month. BTW GUYS REMEMBER  |
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