Gender norms exist for a reason

I have a feeling conforming to gender norms is how we become happy. And the whole movement to defy it is to cause harm to society. The global elite want nothing more than to destabilize and subvert society to make everyone miserable.

_Nette_ said:

If I cant procreate then what purpose do I even have? I cant have sex with people anymore. I'm too damaged to fulfill my only purpose anymore. I'm aimless and worthless now.

And gee the elite of the time of the past be degenerates? Never would have guessed.

And yeah art and media has become a tool to degrade society. That's why I hate predictive programming media as well as media that encourages cultural destruction.

Opticflash said:
I agree. We should have never allowed women their independence. Women wearing pants was a mistake. The only activity they should partake in is cooking and cleaning, pleasing a man and raising his child. If a man weeps in front of other men, they are a failure. If you are not the breadwinner of the family, or if you do not have complete control over your wife, you should not be called a man. If your wife disobeys, hit her. That's what a man should do. The worst offenders are crossdressers/femboys who make a mockery of manhood.

Moonspeak said:
@AnnaSartin

I agree with your overall message, but the most recent researchs points to another direction :

Hunter/gatherer tribes had more women active in hunting than we thought.

Physical traits were not that big at the time, muscular mass was enough for everyone to participate in those.

The gender difference wasn't really of natural origin.

It has been created by civilization, to ensure obedience of one gender, when men needed women to stay working on other sedentary activities, having more goods to take care of.

So no, women were capable of hunting then.

We put them in that role, it's becoming more obvious when you study ancient ways of living.

_Maneki-Neko_ said:
@_Nette_
You know feeling miserable is one thing, but you really seem like the type of person, who tries to make others miserable with you.
You try to put the blame on them for what... having their own personality? ... not society as a whole. You blame them for not playing along nicely, as you think now you should. So what? Everyone should?


Anyway, nobody should change their interests and likings, because of some gender norms.
I already got some shit for liking typical female stuff and having typical femake personality traits, whatever that nonsense is, as I got shit for liking typical male stuff and having typical make personality traits.. whatever that nonsense is.

Quite a lot of people just love putting everything in either a male or female category and want everyone of this category to function almost the same way, because they are just simple-minded and a more complex world and people make their little thinking machine go ouch.

Railey2 said:


yeah, I'm sure they were happier when they were regularly beaten by their men and forced to spend their lives with someone who saw them as lesser. Today I learned that second class citizen = happiness, apparently.

You're a despicable human being and I hope you lead a miserable life at the fringes of society, where you belong. Fuck outta here.

_Nette_ said:

It's a more complex than miserable. It is rather a more aimless feeling. I dunno, just being LGBT has been the worst experiences of my life. Been fucked with and hurt so many times. I don't want anyone to experience all the fucked up shit have for being LGBT.

I guess I am high now but yeah. In my eyes adhering to gender norms protects you from both those that do and don't. Because LGBT people are equally as dangerous as non LGBT people I have learned.

_Nette_ said:

I do know a part if why I feel this way is self hatred. I think that's something people underestimate about the trans experience and that is self loathing. I've hated myself ever since I was 4 years old when my mother crushed my dreams of being a girl. But I learned over time she was correct and was protecting me from this ever creeping self hatred. It's like if I never learned I was trans I could have gone my whole life repressing who I was and I would have been safe and functional. Not whatever I am now. What I am now is the endgame of defying gender norms which pretty much is suicidal self loathing through a never ending feeling of inadequacy and inferiority

I want to spare people from this fate. I dont want others to deal with it. Defying gender norms is not worth it at all.

_Nette_ said:
@Meusnier There is a level el of optimism in your reply in that thr hope of me finding someone to help change my viewpoint. That's nice but a little naive. It's really hard to describe the existence doled out to someone like me but it is a pretty worthless existence. I dunno deep down I want someone out there to love me but I know for a fact that would be me acting out of line. Not worth searching for someone if it will make their existence less valuable by proxy.

Dije said:

Are you talking about actual data or only about your subjective beliefs? Can you send me the link which states that all women before were abused and beaten by their husbands?

Dije said:


I read that but it's talking about 1600-1800.

First, I'm pretty sure my time is most valuable than yours.
Second, I read that paragraph but found no data. It is only written that until 1800 beating women was legal and other things about those time, but 1800 is a long way off. Can we narrow our discussion from 1945 to 2000? Do you have data on how much common beating wifes was done from 1945 to 2000 and how was the situation of the woman in the traditional family in this period?

Railey2 said:
You didn't read it very well then, because it also said

"In most legal systems around the world, DV has been addressed only from the 1990s onward; indeed, before the late 20th century, in most countries there was very little protection, in law or in practice, against DV."
Not sure why you'd even argue this. It's pretty much common knowledge. But hey, I almost forgot that I'm dealing with another bad-faith andy here. Damn.


Anyway, some data since you seem to be too incompetent to get it for yourself, so you need other to spoonfeed it to you:
https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHO-SRH-21.6 (less progressive countries have far more domestic violence, to the surprise of no one).

Here's an interesting article showing how some people used to think about domestic violence before progressive values took over: https://time.com/3426225/domestic-violence-therapy/
(really gross read)
In my own country, raping your wife was essentially legal until 1997. And the same is true for most other countries, the actual rulings that made it illegal came shockingly late. Women, even in somewhat recent history, have often been regarded as property of the man that they were married to. Now use your tiny brain for a second and think about what that implies for the social acceptance of domestic violence against women. Hmm?? What conclusion do you reach?

You know what, you're just another clown. Honestly sitting here, pretending that domestic violence wasn't a widespread thing in the 40s, compared to today. Simply laughable. The fact that it was mostly legal and often accepted tells us all we need to know.

Dije said:


I deleted the previous answer because I have to go to sleep. I end the discussion with this message. You cannot forge the world of 2022 based on events that took place in the 1600s. It is stupid. You inherited the current world from your parents and grandparents, and if you need to make improvements, you need to focus on the world they left you. What do we do, tomorrow we get up and reinvent the wheel because the primitives didn't have it? It does not make sense.
Was the traditional family that grandparents and parents lived in that terrible? I don't know how the situation was in America, I am European, but for that period in which I got to know my grandparents, I have always seen a great love and respect between them. Never a fight, and obviously never a raised hand.
With my parents I had the opportunity to spend much more time obviously, but I have not seen violence.
Of course I understand that there are asshole men, but in the end it all depends on the people you choose. For this I am genuinely curious to know if there are any estimates of the mistreatment suffered by the wives. Sure there have been cases of mistreatment, but is that enough to justify the total repudiation that is taking place today? And does the total abandonment of the traditional family cause more benefits or harm to our society? Among the benefits, certainly that% of women we do not know who were mistreated before, now no longer risk anything. There are others? I don't see any. Among the negatives, what could be the consequences? I would say, the whole Western world except America is suffering from a huge drop in births. And you don't need to be in bad faith to make 2 + 2 and understand that gender equality is among the reasons. A country in crisis of births is a dying country that will blow up. There will come a point where young people will not be enough to support the pensions of the elderly, and the whole pension system will blow up with consequences that will be paid for by these countries for decades. Less developed countries, where gender equality does not exist, are much more promiscuous and will inevitably become more prosperous than current European countries. So I put it among the negatives, to safeguard a presumably small% of women, all Western culture will be at the expense of it in the future. Is it worth it? I do not think so. Second negative point. Just today the news reached me, and which prompted me to answer you, is that one of my cousins, father of two children, will be separated from his wife. He is almost 40 years old. The reason? She betrayed him. Because? Because watching the TV series she got remorse, because the husband she married is short while on TV everyone gets engaged to the beautiful ones. He obviously can't beat her, but gender equality has allowed a woman to blow up a family, making children who will have to face this tragedy pay the consequences (because for children a family upheaval will always be a drama. , you can't deny it), for a frivolity that doesn't make any sense. If before perhaps the woman would have taken two slaps, wrong as much as you want because there was violence, today, thanks to gender equality, a man and two daughters will suffer psychological violence in that family. Where is the equality in all of this? And I don't have time to continue otherwise I would. These are objective data, do not tell me that I am an incel because I have eviscerated an event of which I have received news. The world is founded on balances. it's a fact. Is it worth it to upset them? In this regard, I would be curious to know the data, as mentioned, because honestly I do not know them, I do not know how serious the situation was before. Furthermore, are we sure that this does not create greater suffering? You have to consider it. In the moment in which to suffer before was 1 and now it is 3, for me it means that the direction the world is taking is wrong. And I do not base this judgment on hatred of women, but on mathematics. Free to insult as much as you want, I'm going to sleep it's late.

Gender norms exist for a reason

Railey2 said:
yeah, crazy progressive indoctrination, such as "respect women" and the modern court systems that put you into jail if you do beat your wife. So terrible.

As for where you should go, maybe try /pol/ or something, although I'm sure you're already a regular there. Or maybe some wacky telegram groups? Daily stormer message boards? Incel.me? Any place that's crawling with (exclusively) filth will do, you'll blend right in.

Auron_ said:
This sure blew up.

I mean, slavery happened for a reason. It's not a particularly good reason.