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Jan 22, 2022 8:59 AM
#1
Despite everything that happened, I still believe Jeanne made a decent impression with her overall negotiation skills. Also got to see more of her older sister, Maria. She seems much more carefree and cheerful compared to Jeanne. Yikes, even with all this negotiation, Kazuya's kingdom has problems to deal with. I think they did a decent job overall at capitalizing Jeanne's character role these two episodes though. |
Jan 22, 2022 9:05 AM
#2
As a result of the mediation of the Empire, Gran Chaos, the Van will be returned to Julius. In return for a large amount of compensation. Still curious about their relationship, I mean the eating scene, quite romantic with a loving mouthful.Somehow the isekai matter is tastier than Souma's world, isn't it bad either. It's just that it's a little strange how Souma moves that doll |
Jan 22, 2022 9:40 AM
#3
Well the sisters being reunited was a funny scene, guess Maria is really laid back when she is with her siblings. As for Van well things can still change, i feel sorry for the people tho. Elfrieden did manage to improve their relation with the Gran Chaos Empire which will probably help them out a lot. |
Jan 22, 2022 9:56 AM
#4
Your king is dead and your capital city was captured, that is your defeat, Julius! It was your defeat. Also, it seems Kazuya cannot handle well with an alcoholic drink. |
何それ?意味分かんない |
Jan 22, 2022 9:57 AM
#5
Of all the negotiation talk, the damages paid to Elfrieden from Amidonia is satisfactory, though relations between both kingdom and principality, not to mention Van being to blame when they clearly lost the war. The Mankind Declaration has made it clear, and Julius still pushes the buttons even further to anger Jeanne on the Gran Chaos Empire's side. He has no choice but to accept the T&Cs, even if they seem scummy. Kingdoms with throne disputes aren't pretty to watch, and Julius in his vent to find his unworthy sister Roroa is one in the midst to return their own people of all ranks. With that, the agreement is signed, and as much as the fool he is, with the road he's becoming, Julius will fall sooner or later. Nice to see Maria after some absence, and a bit of the sister's affection. Of course, how Souma thinks in his principles is very different from the usual chivalry thinking of the early ages, and that's where they find him as a viable mouthpiece, a revolution into the new age as a "hero". Elfrieden is thriving on Souma's law and order, and the people are clearly benefitting from his behind-the-scenes work. Souma having to socialize in the cosplay doll suit was something, and being hard on liquor almost gave himself away, oh well. |
Jan 22, 2022 10:06 AM
#6
In the end the results of the meeting turned out pretty well for Souma and less so for Julius. You can't invade another country and expect no consequence right buddy. The issue of reparations was always going to be a tricky thing to agree upon but in this case i felt Souma handled it well. Though their time together was relatively short for the people of Van Souma and his team improved things their dramatically. Going back to being managed by Julius and his men will just be a massive step back. Maria though sure has a close bond with her sister lol. But it was cute seeing Maria listen so intently to Jeanne's opinion of Souma though. Looking forward to seeing what happens when the two actually meet. Juno's bluntness sure doubled when she's drunk. The party to reward the adventurers was a nice touch while proving a nice opportunity to see Juno again. Overall an interesting ep that did well in balancing out heavy topics like reparations and handovers with a little comedy in the form of the party. Still i don't envy Van's people being forced back under Julius's rule. |
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Jan 22, 2022 10:11 AM
#7
Souma as doll master, going on dungeoun anonymously with fellow adventurers, has a potential to be its own anime. Too bad this anime focus on too many things and can't have all nice things fully developed. |
Jan 22, 2022 10:42 AM
#8
Following the successful negotiations with Jeanne last episode Souma hands over the capital city back to its country. Julius of course not too happy with the terms since they have to pay back two years worth of budget. Even if that's spread out over ten years that's still a pretty penny to be paying. Souma thinking smart knowing that they spend half their annual budget on the military so hopefully this will stop them from being able to do so and deter any future military plans Julius might think up. Good on Jeanne to threaten throwing them out of that mankind declaration if they don't comply with the terms and pay the reparations. Souma tried to warn Julius that his people won't respect him since even though he got the capital back he still needed to call for help to get it done. It acquired the city with no difficulty for himself, it was all done for him, handed to him really. So the people don't respect that, hes gonna have to be a good ruler to get their respect otherwise it will never come. Julius completely missed the message since he was still pissed off about the terms. Liscia made a sad comment about how the people in the city looked worried about them leaving. Souma showed them real freedom for the first time in their lives but now with him gone things will most likely return to horrible conditions. He quotes Machiavelli a lot but for good reason this episode since he's right on the money about tyranny being more dangerous than tigers. Incompetent rulers cause irreparable damage all the time which is much more dangerous. With them heading back home its a quick celebration then back to business cleaning up the mess from that war last season. |
Jan 22, 2022 11:22 AM
#9
At least everything got fixed between Amidonia and Elfrieden especially with the financial repay that will block a part of their army budget, but well the population will sure struggle once again and not everything is perfect for everyone of course... lol Souma in the mascot outfit during the part at the end xD |
Jan 22, 2022 12:09 PM
#10
Julius should be thanking his lucky stars that the Empire gave him back a kingdom he didn't deserve to rule. |
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Jan 22, 2022 12:18 PM
#11
After much negotiating and exposition, lets hope our MC can get back on track to building a better world! |
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Jan 22, 2022 1:54 PM
#12
Great episode! Julius was very angry about having to pay reparations because of how stuck up he is. Jeanne was the only reasonable person out of the two. She threatens Julius about removing him and his land from the Mankind Declaration. He is forced to accept the mediation plan put in place. They need to pay 2 years worth of Amidonia's annual budget over ten years in the form of imperial coinage! Kazuya also asks for a communication magic gemstone and books from the castle library as well as a ransom for certain high ranking war captives. We also get to see Jeanne's older sister who dotes upon her. She is also quite nice and interested in speaking to Kazuya. Looking forward to the next episode! |
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Jan 22, 2022 4:02 PM
#13
i think Maria will be another wife for Souma, she is so pretty |
Jan 22, 2022 4:14 PM
#14
Peace talks are finally over. Time to celebrate and rejoice. Next episodes will be great. |
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Jan 22, 2022 4:26 PM
#15
I think from the next episode things will start to get more interesting, but I'm already enjoying this part of the anime a lot so far. |
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Jan 22, 2022 5:00 PM
#16
Julius is just one obnoxious person, clearly never realised the position he put himself in and that he has (barely) no room to argue about the demands. Jeanne was pretty cool and honestly her and Maria make a nice duo, with the latter now showing an interest in Souma. Souma almost getting himself drunk when he wanted to attend that party but not in person, almost cover blown. Oh Liscia, yes Yuno was pretty damn cute! |
Jan 22, 2022 5:01 PM
#17
Many negotiations ended, the protagonist did well in the end, now just waits for new things with Souma. |
Jan 22, 2022 5:56 PM
#18
Haven't read the novels. This is my opinion of these anime after watching season 1 and the 3 episodes of season 2. I copy what I wrote on another topic and another forum. The main character is stupid and a coward(facepalm). Returning Van when he doesn't have to. If the empire attack the country where the Souma is, it will be seen as the enemy of humankind. Just because the empire is part of a treaty, doesn't mean they can do whatever they please and don't suffer any consequence. If the empire attacks begin a war where civilians could be involved is a bad move in this situation. After all in a war where military action is taken there is always the risk of civilians getting involved and if Souma is intelligent then I am one of the most intelligent and wise person to have ever exist. By returning Van, Souma is being a push over, doormat and yes men who won't stand his ground when it matters. If the Empire were to attack the Elfrieden Kingdom because Souma didn't return Van and kill people, then the empire would had seen as a group of villains. It is as simple as that. If a law, rule, treaty or whatever a group made allow for the killing of innocent people without any good reason then that is defective beyond any doubt. Just because it is a law, rule, treaty or whatever a group made doesn't mean that is right, just and ethically fine. Let's said for example that anywhere in the world is fine to kill people just because someone look at you in a bad way and that is a law. Some day someone out of nowhere is trying to kill you because that person said and thinks that you look at him/her in a bad way. What will you do? Follow the law, break the law or make another choice. Just in case, everyone needs to remember something important. There will be always only one truth and reality. Multiple opinions and perceptions can occur when something happen. After all an event that happen is already part of the past. No human can travel to the past. The truth is Elfrieden is innocent and a victim of amidonia's actions. That simple. The fact that Souma make an allliance and possibly make a friendship in the future with the empire, who bully and threaten to kill Souma and the people of Elfrieden is bad and downright appalling to said the least. Sarcasm incoming. Everyone needs to praise Souma for his intelligence when he make an allliance with the empire, who bully and threaten to kill him and the people of Elfrieden. Cheers and applause. He will be extol for generations to come. Sarcasm end. The Mankind Declaration treaty prove with this situation that any country participant of the treaty can invade a country that does not participate in the treaty get its territory stolen by the non member(country) of the treaty and in the end the non member(country) have to return the territory to the invaders because otherwise there is a risk of them getting attack by any member of treaty. If this is not appalling then I don't know what is. By extension the countries that are members of the treaty create this situation. Since the treaty have this glaring flaw. None of those countries bother to fix this flaw. No matter what good things the empire or any county does, doesn't excuse them of invading and killing innocent people without a good reason like in this situation. Those two things don't cancel each other. If Souma would have said he wouldn't return van and anyone attack Elfrieden then the invader actions would have seen as senseless violence. The same as if a monster(who is in incapable of the same reasoning process as humans) attack a human. Is the problem of any member(country) of the treaty that look down on non members(countries) of the treaty. If the empire would had invade Elfrieden and the members of the treaty think there is nothing wrong with it then they would have fail as human beings. Which is worst than a petty thief who only steal female hairpins. At that level they would had stoop. Just because they are indifferent doesn't mean they are good people and have a sane and good judgement. In the end Elfrieden doesn't care what they think about them. Does the USA care what north korea thinks about them? I don't know if prince julius fought against anyone from Elfrieden. Since sometimes royalty stay away from the front lines to avoid getting themselves kill. If he indeed fought and possibly kill someone then he is a war criminal. What is a war criminal walking free as if he hadn't done anything wrong since amidonia was the one who attack and invade Elfrieden without a good reason. The story would had turn from bad to worst, close to be dumpster fire quality level. The only good thing for some would be that the MC will have a harem. The story, politics, and characters are bad quality. If anyone comes because of any of those, I suggest look elsewhere. This could only serve to kill time. |
yuiichi9Jan 22, 2022 8:50 PM
Jan 22, 2022 6:20 PM
#19
Julius truly got shorter end of the stick by giving out all the books and Mrs. General. xD Even if you consider that books in this world are not as expensive as in our were (people with magic like Souma's would make books cheaper), definitely there are important documents or magic books that could be useful to Souma. And giving out Mrs. General who not so long ago raised the morale of people of Amidonia for 5 nobles who probably don't give a f*ck about ordinary citizens will certainly have a negative impact on the siciety... Souma literally is doing everything he could to make Julius situation worse, and Julius is swallowing it without chewing. xD Rest of the episode are standard interactions and that adventurer girl has been officially approved by Liscia to the harem. Confucius' "Tyranny Is Fiercer Than a Tiger" quote is true, although originally the tiger was just a tiger. And the point was that people could sacrifice their security for "loose" law and low taxes (and to treat their subjects with compassion). I personally give C+ to Souma for that, you could technically compare Kingdom of Elfrieden to a tiger but because Souma was actively helping to rebuild Van this comparison is starting to fall apart. Liscia's words, "Freedom is a drug", was fiting this situation much better, and there's no need to do any kind of mental-gymnastics. |
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Jan 22, 2022 8:06 PM
#20
So we got to know that Souma is even broken than we thought, the guy basically solved most of the country's issues in a season and is going a general mode in the 2s, my man Souma has grown! Been loving the development of this series and how Souma manages to deal with everything, this guy never loses, can't wait for the next eps!! |
Jan 22, 2022 8:24 PM
#21
Souma used his common sense from the world he came to resolve the problems in season 1, so he didn't do anything groundbreaking. It just the people in the government are stupid, so they couldn't resolve them. |
Jan 22, 2022 8:32 PM
#22
Bruh with julius back in charge of capital city of Van i think there might be a civil war if julius can't manage his kingdom as well as soma because the people of Van already tasted the freedom they cherishes so much, but we will see what will happened in the future.... |
Jan 22, 2022 8:38 PM
#23
yuiichi9 said: bruh what are you typing thats like typing a essay or script wth i read some of em but you kept saying "MC and then where MC is" what the hell does that mean iam so confused with your statement and then i read some sentence said MC is Stupid?.... and my reaction was What???Haven't read the novels. This is my opinion of these anime after watching season 1 and the 3 episodes of season 2. I copy what I wrote on another topic and another forum. The main character is stupid and a coward(facepalm). Returning Van when he doesn't have to. If the empire attack the country where the MC is, it will be seen as the enemy of humankind. Just because the empire is part of a treaty, doesn't mean they can do whatever they please and don't suffer any consequence. If the empire attacks begin a war where civilians could be involved is a bad move in this situation. After all in a war where military action is taken there is always the risk of civilians getting involved and if the MC is intelligent then I am one of the most intelligent and wise person to have ever exist. By returning Van the MC is being a push over, doormat and yes men who won't stand his ground when it matters. If the Empire were to attack the Elfrieden Kingdom because MC didn't return Van and kill people, then the empire would had seen as a group of villains. It is as simple as that. If a law, rule, treaty or whatever a group made allow for the killing of innocent people without any good reason then that is defective beyond any doubt. Just because it is a law, rule, treaty or whatever a group made doesn't mean that is right, just and ethically fine. Let's said for example that anywhere in the world is fine to kill people just because someone look at you in a bad way and that is a law. Some day someone out of nowhere is trying to kill you because that person said and thinks that you look at him/her in a bad way. What will you do? Follow the law, break the law or make another choice. Just in case, everyone needs to remember something important. There will be always only one truth and reality. Multiple opinions and perceptions can occur when something happen. After all an event that happen is already part of the past. No human can travel to the past. The truth is Elfrieden is innocent and a victim of amidonia's actions. That simple. The fact the MC make an allliance and possibly make a friendship in the future with the empire, who bully and threaten to kill the MC and the people of Elfrieden is bad and downright appalling to said the least. Sarcasm incoming. Everyone needs to praise the MC for his intelligence when he make an allliance with the empire, who bully and threaten to kill him and the people of Elfrieden. Cheers and applause. He will be extol for generations to come. Sarcasm end. The Mankind Declaration treaty prove with this situation that any country participant of the treaty can invade a country that does not participate in the treaty get its territory stolen by the non member(country) of the treaty and in the end the non member(country) have to return the territory to the invaders because otherwise there is a risk of them getting attack by any member of treaty. If this is not appalling then I don't know what is. By extension the countries that are members of the treaty create this situation. Since the treaty have this glaring flaw. None of those countries bother to fix this flaw. No matter what good things the empire or any county does, doesn't excuse them of invading and killing innocent people without a good reason like in this situation. Those two things don't cancel each other. If the MC would have said he wouldn't return van and anyone attack Elfrieden then the invader actions would have seen as senseless violence. The same as if a monster(who is in incapable of the same reasoning process as humans) attack a human. Is the problem of any member(country) of the treaty that look down on non members(countries) of the treaty. If the empire would had invade Elfrieden and the members of the treaty think there is nothing wrong with it then they would have fail as human beings. Which is worst than a petty thief who only steal female hairpins. At that level they would had stoop. Just because they are indifferent doesn't mean they are good people and have a sane and good judgement. In the end Elfrieden doesn't care what they think about them. Does the USA care what north korea thinks about them? I don't know if prince julius fought against anyone from Elfrieden. Since sometimes royalty stay away from the front lines to avoid getting themselves kill. If he indeed fought and possibly kill someone then he is a war criminal. What is a war criminal walking free as if he hadn't done anything wrong since amidonia was the one who attack and invade Elfrieden without a good reason. The story would had turn from bad to worst, close to be dumpster fire quality level. The only good thing for some would be that the MC will have a harem. The story, politics, and characters are bad quality. If anyone comes because of any of those, I suggest look elsewhere. This could only serve to kill time. |
Jan 22, 2022 8:52 PM
#24
I edit my previous long post. Replace the word MC with Souma. Hope that you can understand better. |
Jan 23, 2022 12:22 AM
#25
Julius seems more like a brat the way he was demanding things which he himself lost in the first place. Should be thankful as he still got more than what he deserves. |
Jan 23, 2022 12:32 AM
#26
yuiichi9 said: Haven't read the novels. This is my opinion of these anime after watching season 1 and the 3 episodes of season 2. I copy what I wrote on another topic and another forum. The main character is stupid and a coward(facepalm). Returning Van when he doesn't have to. If the empire attack the country where the Souma is, it will be seen as the enemy of humankind. Just because the empire is part of a treaty, doesn't mean they can do whatever they please and don't suffer any consequence. If the empire attacks begin a war where civilians could be involved is a bad move in this situation. After all in a war where military action is taken there is always the risk of civilians getting involved and if Souma is intelligent then I am one of the most intelligent and wise person to have ever exist. By returning Van, Souma is being a push over, doormat and yes men who won't stand his ground when it matters. If the Empire were to attack the Elfrieden Kingdom because Souma didn't return Van and kill people, then the empire would had seen as a group of villains. It is as simple as that. If a law, rule, treaty or whatever a group made allow for the killing of innocent people without any good reason then that is defective beyond any doubt. Just because it is a law, rule, treaty or whatever a group made doesn't mean that is right, just and ethically fine. Let's said for example that anywhere in the world is fine to kill people just because someone look at you in a bad way and that is a law. Some day someone out of nowhere is trying to kill you because that person said and thinks that you look at him/her in a bad way. What will you do? Follow the law, break the law or make another choice. Just in case, everyone needs to remember something important. There will be always only one truth and reality. Multiple opinions and perceptions can occur when something happen. After all an event that happen is already part of the past. No human can travel to the past. The truth is Elfrieden is innocent and a victim of amidonia's actions. That simple. The fact that Souma make an allliance and possibly make a friendship in the future with the empire, who bully and threaten to kill Souma and the people of Elfrieden is bad and downright appalling to said the least. Sarcasm incoming. Everyone needs to praise Souma for his intelligence when he make an allliance with the empire, who bully and threaten to kill him and the people of Elfrieden. Cheers and applause. He will be extol for generations to come. Sarcasm end. The Mankind Declaration treaty prove with this situation that any country participant of the treaty can invade a country that does not participate in the treaty get its territory stolen by the non member(country) of the treaty and in the end the non member(country) have to return the territory to the invaders because otherwise there is a risk of them getting attack by any member of treaty. If this is not appalling then I don't know what is. By extension the countries that are members of the treaty create this situation. Since the treaty have this glaring flaw. None of those countries bother to fix this flaw. No matter what good things the empire or any county does, doesn't excuse them of invading and killing innocent people without a good reason like in this situation. Those two things don't cancel each other. If Souma would have said he wouldn't return van and anyone attack Elfrieden then the invader actions would have seen as senseless violence. The same as if a monster(who is in incapable of the same reasoning process as humans) attack a human. Is the problem of any member(country) of the treaty that look down on non members(countries) of the treaty. If the empire would had invade Elfrieden and the members of the treaty think there is nothing wrong with it then they would have fail as human beings. Which is worst than a petty thief who only steal female hairpins. At that level they would had stoop. Just because they are indifferent doesn't mean they are good people and have a sane and good judgement. In the end Elfrieden doesn't care what they think about them. Does the USA care what north korea thinks about them? I don't know if prince julius fought against anyone from Elfrieden. Since sometimes royalty stay away from the front lines to avoid getting themselves kill. If he indeed fought and possibly kill someone then he is a war criminal. What is a war criminal walking free as if he hadn't done anything wrong since amidonia was the one who attack and invade Elfrieden without a good reason. The story would had turn from bad to worst, close to be dumpster fire quality level. The only good thing for some would be that the MC will have a harem. The story, politics, and characters are bad quality. If anyone comes because of any of those, I suggest look elsewhere. This could only serve to kill time. That wall of text is far too much for me to even begin to care about, but I'm pretty sure that the anime said why, the novels go into great detail of why making enemies with the empire is so far beyond idiotic that you're argument isn't even worth entertaining. |
Jan 23, 2022 1:20 AM
#27
It's been a fun few episodes of Julius getting verbally abused, but the negotiations are finally over. What a stubborn lad, Souma was giving him advice and he's ignoring it, well maybe he'll realize someday. I am curious when Roroa will finally meet Souma though, hopefully in the coming episodes. Maria added to Souma's potential wives list. Liscia out here activating her wife radar though lmao. Also, give my boy Hakuya some vacation, he needs it. |
Jan 23, 2022 2:04 AM
#28
yuiichi9 said: Haven't read the novels. This is my opinion of these anime after watching season 1 and the 3 episodes of season 2. I copy what I wrote on another topic and another forum. The main character is stupid and a coward(facepalm). Returning Van when he doesn't have to. If the empire attack the country where the Souma is, it will be seen as the enemy of humankind. Just because the empire is part of a treaty, doesn't mean they can do whatever they please and don't suffer any consequence. If the empire attacks begin a war where civilians could be involved is a bad move in this situation. After all in a war where military action is taken there is always the risk of civilians getting involved and if Souma is intelligent then I am one of the most intelligent and wise person to have ever exist. By returning Van, Souma is being a push over, doormat and yes men who won't stand his ground when it matters. If the Empire were to attack the Elfrieden Kingdom because Souma didn't return Van and kill people, then the empire would had seen as a group of villains. It is as simple as that. If a law, rule, treaty or whatever a group made allow for the killing of innocent people without any good reason then that is defective beyond any doubt. Just because it is a law, rule, treaty or whatever a group made doesn't mean that is right, just and ethically fine. Let's said for example that anywhere in the world is fine to kill people just because someone look at you in a bad way and that is a law. Some day someone out of nowhere is trying to kill you because that person said and thinks that you look at him/her in a bad way. What will you do? Follow the law, break the law or make another choice. Just in case, everyone needs to remember something important. There will be always only one truth and reality. Multiple opinions and perceptions can occur when something happen. After all an event that happen is already part of the past. No human can travel to the past. The truth is Elfrieden is innocent and a victim of amidonia's actions. That simple. The fact that Souma make an allliance and possibly make a friendship in the future with the empire, who bully and threaten to kill Souma and the people of Elfrieden is bad and downright appalling to said the least. Sarcasm incoming. Everyone needs to praise Souma for his intelligence when he make an allliance with the empire, who bully and threaten to kill him and the people of Elfrieden. Cheers and applause. He will be extol for generations to come. Sarcasm end. The Mankind Declaration treaty prove with this situation that any country participant of the treaty can invade a country that does not participate in the treaty get its territory stolen by the non member(country) of the treaty and in the end the non member(country) have to return the territory to the invaders because otherwise there is a risk of them getting attack by any member of treaty. If this is not appalling then I don't know what is. By extension the countries that are members of the treaty create this situation. Since the treaty have this glaring flaw. None of those countries bother to fix this flaw. No matter what good things the empire or any county does, doesn't excuse them of invading and killing innocent people without a good reason like in this situation. Those two things don't cancel each other. If Souma would have said he wouldn't return van and anyone attack Elfrieden then the invader actions would have seen as senseless violence. The same as if a monster(who is in incapable of the same reasoning process as humans) attack a human. Is the problem of any member(country) of the treaty that look down on non members(countries) of the treaty. If the empire would had invade Elfrieden and the members of the treaty think there is nothing wrong with it then they would have fail as human beings. Which is worst than a petty thief who only steal female hairpins. At that level they would had stoop. Just because they are indifferent doesn't mean they are good people and have a sane and good judgement. In the end Elfrieden doesn't care what they think about them. Does the USA care what north korea thinks about them? I don't know if prince julius fought against anyone from Elfrieden. Since sometimes royalty stay away from the front lines to avoid getting themselves kill. If he indeed fought and possibly kill someone then he is a war criminal. What is a war criminal walking free as if he hadn't done anything wrong since amidonia was the one who attack and invade Elfrieden without a good reason. The story would had turn from bad to worst, close to be dumpster fire quality level. The only good thing for some would be that the MC will have a harem. The story, politics, and characters are bad quality. If anyone comes because of any of those, I suggest look elsewhere. This could only serve to kill time. TLDR: It seems that the above argument is irrelevant, don't know how it was postulated. Anw, I don't read its ln as well but if your argument is the stupidity of returning Van, I guess that's what they should really do. They hit 2 birds with 1 stone with that decision. First, the issues that the kingdom handle will be lessen (considering that Elfrieden hasn't settled the issues on their own kingdom yet). Second, a war will be prevented from the empire. Man, the goal of Souma is to improve the kingdom's condition, not to conquer other territories. As the title says, "...Rebuilt the kingdom". Not "...Expand the kingdom". |
Jan 23, 2022 3:58 AM
#29
the princess is look like a dumb girl without brain,, i can believe that stupid girl is exist in anime world,, just simple thinking as far i watch this series, all the human in that wold is stupid, so after a hero arrive the world become a better place, that simple.. this anime is real shit,, 1/10 |
Jan 23, 2022 4:06 AM
#30
same like previous episode = 100% talk and talk (never end ) |
Jan 23, 2022 7:11 AM
#31
Aluminum_ said: yuiichi9 said: Haven't read the novels. This is my opinion of these anime after watching season 1 and the 3 episodes of season 2. I copy what I wrote on another topic and another forum. The main character is stupid and a coward(facepalm). Returning Van when he doesn't have to. If the empire attack the country where the Souma is, it will be seen as the enemy of humankind. Just because the empire is part of a treaty, doesn't mean they can do whatever they please and don't suffer any consequence. If the empire attacks begin a war where civilians could be involved is a bad move in this situation. After all in a war where military action is taken there is always the risk of civilians getting involved and if Souma is intelligent then I am one of the most intelligent and wise person to have ever exist. By returning Van, Souma is being a push over, doormat and yes men who won't stand his ground when it matters. If the Empire were to attack the Elfrieden Kingdom because Souma didn't return Van and kill people, then the empire would had seen as a group of villains. It is as simple as that. If a law, rule, treaty or whatever a group made allow for the killing of innocent people without any good reason then that is defective beyond any doubt. Just because it is a law, rule, treaty or whatever a group made doesn't mean that is right, just and ethically fine. Let's said for example that anywhere in the world is fine to kill people just because someone look at you in a bad way and that is a law. Some day someone out of nowhere is trying to kill you because that person said and thinks that you look at him/her in a bad way. What will you do? Follow the law, break the law or make another choice. Just in case, everyone needs to remember something important. There will be always only one truth and reality. Multiple opinions and perceptions can occur when something happen. After all an event that happen is already part of the past. No human can travel to the past. The truth is Elfrieden is innocent and a victim of amidonia's actions. That simple. The fact that Souma make an allliance and possibly make a friendship in the future with the empire, who bully and threaten to kill Souma and the people of Elfrieden is bad and downright appalling to said the least. Sarcasm incoming. Everyone needs to praise Souma for his intelligence when he make an allliance with the empire, who bully and threaten to kill him and the people of Elfrieden. Cheers and applause. He will be extol for generations to come. Sarcasm end. The Mankind Declaration treaty prove with this situation that any country participant of the treaty can invade a country that does not participate in the treaty get its territory stolen by the non member(country) of the treaty and in the end the non member(country) have to return the territory to the invaders because otherwise there is a risk of them getting attack by any member of treaty. If this is not appalling then I don't know what is. By extension the countries that are members of the treaty create this situation. Since the treaty have this glaring flaw. None of those countries bother to fix this flaw. No matter what good things the empire or any county does, doesn't excuse them of invading and killing innocent people without a good reason like in this situation. Those two things don't cancel each other. If Souma would have said he wouldn't return van and anyone attack Elfrieden then the invader actions would have seen as senseless violence. The same as if a monster(who is in incapable of the same reasoning process as humans) attack a human. Is the problem of any member(country) of the treaty that look down on non members(countries) of the treaty. If the empire would had invade Elfrieden and the members of the treaty think there is nothing wrong with it then they would have fail as human beings. Which is worst than a petty thief who only steal female hairpins. At that level they would had stoop. Just because they are indifferent doesn't mean they are good people and have a sane and good judgement. In the end Elfrieden doesn't care what they think about them. Does the USA care what north korea thinks about them? I don't know if prince julius fought against anyone from Elfrieden. Since sometimes royalty stay away from the front lines to avoid getting themselves kill. If he indeed fought and possibly kill someone then he is a war criminal. What is a war criminal walking free as if he hadn't done anything wrong since amidonia was the one who attack and invade Elfrieden without a good reason. The story would had turn from bad to worst, close to be dumpster fire quality level. The only good thing for some would be that the MC will have a harem. The story, politics, and characters are bad quality. If anyone comes because of any of those, I suggest look elsewhere. This could only serve to kill time. TLDR: It seems that the above argument is irrelevant, don't know how it was postulated. Anw, I don't read its ln as well but if your argument is the stupidity of returning Van, I guess that's what they should really do. They hit 2 birds with 1 stone with that decision. First, the issues that the kingdom handle will be lessen (considering that Elfrieden hasn't settled the issues on their own kingdom yet). Second, a war will be prevented from the empire. Man, the goal of Souma is to improve the kingdom's condition, not to conquer other territories. As the title says, "...Rebuilt the kingdom". Not "...Expand the kingdom". @antonn Also there are better ways to "...Expand the kingdom". Like really, it was obvious that citizens of Van weren't happy that Souma is leaving. Anyone who have basic knowledge about situation with Crimea ("Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation" and "2014 Crimean status referendum") can imagine what can happan to Van (and maybe to entire Amidonia), of course in less shity and legal way. And like I said in my post, Julius was really making worse and worse decision during negotiations. |
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Jan 23, 2022 8:05 AM
#32
Those people that don't consider my opinion or understand it perhaps like main characters who are stupid and cowards who give up and surrender when they don't have to. There many taste as there are people in this world, I guess. What Souma did when he returned Van was the same as prostrate in a dogeza and beg for his life as if he had done anything so bad he feels remorseful . When someone does that it can be seen as having a weak mind, bend and suck up to anyone who wants to create a conflict with them. Worst than a servant or underling. Jeanne threaten Souma if he didn't return Van, she would take it by force. Truly the words of a villain. |
yuiichi9Jan 23, 2022 8:26 AM
Jan 23, 2022 8:38 AM
#33
Was the first season this dialogue heavy? This episode and last week were just excruciatingly boring - all they did was talk and talk. If if wanted to watch someone discussing trade disputes I'd watch one of the Star Wars prequels. |
Jan 23, 2022 10:49 AM
#34
If the situation would had been a little on the contrary and amidonia invade part of Elfried. If Souma would had go to the empire to had them return the territory that amidonia invade, I doubt they would comply. Nice double standards. Which said a lot of bad leadership from the empire. When you have double standards I would doubt you would make good decisions. Seeing Souma returning Van remind of the parts of anime that have bad guys(gang, mafia, yakuza etc.) extort someone innocent. The innocent reaction is kneeling with fear acting subservient towards the bad guys. |
yuiichi9Jan 23, 2022 11:07 AM
Jan 23, 2022 11:56 AM
#35
yuiichi9 said: If the situation would had been a little on the contrary and amidonia invade part of Elfried. If Souma would had go to the empire to had them return the territory that amidonia invade, I doubt they would comply. Nice double standards. Which said a lot of bad leadership from the empire. When you have double standards I would doubt you would make good decisions. Seeing Souma returning Van remind of the parts of anime that have bad guys(gang, mafia, yakuza etc.) extort someone innocent. The innocent reaction is kneeling with fear acting subservient towards the bad guys. I feel like you completely ignored half the story. The Empire and Amidonia are allies of course they're going to come to their aid, albeit begrudgingly since Amidonia is abusing the Mankind Declaration. The Empire has no reason to help Efrieden as they refuse join the Mankind Declaration. If anything the Empire has shown how not villainous they are by not only forcing Amidonia to pay war reparations for the return of Van, but the favorable treatment they gave Elfrieden when the Empire asked Elfirieden to perform the hero summoning in place of monetary aid when Elfrieden was going through their economic crisis. |
Jan 23, 2022 12:16 PM
#36
I think an alliance should had its limits. What if amidonia would had steal, rape, torture and enslave people from Elfried. Would the empire react the same way? Until what point they would allow amidonia getting away with without expelling them from the treaty. That is one of my concerns. |
Jan 23, 2022 12:44 PM
#37
So, if we're to take that Machiavelli quote that Souma gave to Julis it would only mean that he may have got his kingdom back , but not his people's respect. |
Jan 24, 2022 3:10 AM
#38
Man, I love this show. Not one bit of action in the whole episode, nothing super suspenseful or important, and I thoroughly enjoyed every minute! |
Jan 25, 2022 10:56 AM
#39
God for 3 ep straight it's all nothing but talking...... what a snooze Zzzzzz |
Jan 25, 2022 11:08 AM
#40
Realist talking simulator continues. None of the characters are intresting and I'm struggling to stay intrested. Why is this show so highly rated? |
Jan 25, 2022 7:45 PM
#41
Crashmatt said: Realist talking simulator continues. None of the characters are intresting and I'm struggling to stay intrested. Why is this show so highly rated? People like self-insert isekai and harems. This is news? |
Jan 25, 2022 10:31 PM
#42
Crashmatt said: u cannot force others to BELIEVE U ,CHANGE THEIR OPINION ,AND RATE ANIME ACCORDING THEIR WISH,THEY HAVE RIGHT TO RATE THESE ACCORDING THEIR WISH , U HAVE NO RIGHT TO INTERFERERealist talking simulator continues. None of the characters are intresting and I'm struggling to stay intrested. Why is this show so highly rated? |
Jan 26, 2022 12:39 AM
#43
MugenNoShirayuki said: Crashmatt said: Realist talking simulator continues. None of the characters are intresting and I'm struggling to stay intrested. Why is this show so highly rated? People like self-insert isekai and harems. This is news? It would be nice if the women in this show were anything other than useless. Licia just stands there looking like a 15 year old boy in cosplay doing nothing while othe other women stand around waiting ro be collected like pokemon into the harem. I've seen plenty of harem shows but the waifus in this show are awful. |
Jan 26, 2022 12:44 AM
#44
Sayan_Pal said: Crashmatt said: u cannot force others to BELIEVE U ,CHANGE THEIR OPINION ,AND RATE ANIME ACCORDING THEIR WISH,THEY HAVE RIGHT TO RATE THESE ACCORDING THEIR WISH , U HAVE NO RIGHT TO INTERFERERealist talking simulator continues. None of the characters are intresting and I'm struggling to stay intrested. Why is this show so highly rated? Belive what? I can ask a question why people rate this show. You are free to like it all you want captain caps lock. |
Jan 26, 2022 1:37 PM
#45
The peace negotiations are over. All the waifus are great |
Jan 26, 2022 1:39 PM
#46
JiangHaoyi1979 said: So, if we're to take that Machiavelli quote that Souma gave to Julis it would only mean that he may have got his kingdom back , but not his people's respect. Yeah Souma basically fueled the rise of liberalism in Van lol. Souma is too crafty. Let's see how many years it will take until Julius is forced to abdicate |
Jan 29, 2022 6:11 AM
#47
Alright, so the negotiation, but looking not so negotiation because obviously Julius need to accept it all no matter what, ended well for both side. Souma basically just too kind in front of those gentleman, even letting the invader a warn worth to their future, with all those quotation from his home world. Well, not that Julius would accepted it with grace and humility, because he's still true to his role as a foolish prince. Good luck with all the payment you must take care 10 years later, and other trouble after regaining your position at Van. Interesting to see he mentioned Roroa but unable to track her. It means there's something fascinating gonna happen between them later. Either the sister help the brother with all the principality problems above, considering she had the skills to manage financial issues, or even become another trouble that may lead the principality to break free and let Elfrieden annex them. Interesting to know more about that later.... Anyway, more of Empire Empress scene always welcome. Ofc he let them into a new age. Interesting too when those two mind-opposite person face each other. Third part. Adventurer had a nice banquet there. Mister Mascot which obviously Souma forced by them to drank that much. For sure Liscia wasn't looks so pleased with her king behaviour there xd... |
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Feb 4, 2022 3:08 PM
#48
As Jeanne said, Julius is an utter fool. The idea that the reparations Amidonia needs to pay will stop them from attacking the kingdom via a reduction in the military budget may be too much to hope for. It was amusing seeing Maria with Jeanne. Her meeting with Souma should be interesting. |
Feb 16, 2022 2:02 AM
#49
It's good to see MC taking in women from another country would also like to see him take over his enemy's military here and there like last season. At least the arguing over Van is somewhat over thanks to that legally binding document they both signed. |
Feb 25, 2022 1:26 AM
#50
Souma has no other choice but to negotiate and give back Vans to Julius, otherwise the empire will attack with 50k soldiers which hey have no chance of winning. Finally the 2 and a half episode negotations is over. The people of Vans are not happy going back to their old life. Its amusing to Maria and Jeanne talk. You don't need to be all high strung with your older sister all the time. |
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