| Look, you all knew this thread would be made eventually. Better sooner than later. :P As usual, I will start with some context/history and what made me decide to make this thread for you all this Christmas eve. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Pokémon Diamond and Pearl First releasing in Japan in fall 2006, Pokémon Diamond and Pearl marks the fourth generation in the immensely popular Pokémon franchise. They were also the first mainline Pokémon games on the Nintendo DS, and were released after 10 years of catching 'em all. Featuring many features and Pokémon both new and old in the chilly region of Sinnoh, these entries are fondly remembered by many in the Pokémon fanbase even after 14 years.  Many things notable with these entries include (but are definitely not limited to) the return of a visible day and night cycle, the physical-special split, the introduction of wireless and wi-fi multiplayer, the region-exclusive Underground, 3D being heavily integrated in nearly everything from the attacks to the outdoor environments, and a noticeably more remarkable soundtrack than games past. Much of the game's soundtrack is a fan-favorite for many in the fanbase, and the same goes for the new Pokémon introduced here, including the large amount of Legendary/Mythical/Event Pokémon. Diamond and Pearl are currently the fourth highest selling game in the franchise; they were the third highest-selling games for a long time, with over 17 million units sold, until 2019's Pokémon Sword and Shield stole its record away with over 18 million units. Pokémon Platinum Two years later, Pokémon developer Game Freak would release a brand new special edition of Diamond and Pearl titled Pokémon Platinum. This enhanced edition of the Sinnoh games had many minor changes all throughout the game, such as visual changes in much if not nearly all of Sinnoh's environments, additional Pokémon being added into Sinnoh's Regional Pokédex, the game's engine was adjusted so that the game goes at a somewhat faster speed, as well as—of course—the return of the Battle Frontier. Though the Battle Frontier was a post-game feature that debuted in Pokémon Emerald, its revised iteration in Platinum is now widely considered to be an iconic part of Pokémon's fourth generation.  Despite selling only around 7 million copies, Pokémon Platinum is still highly beloved by the fanbase and regarded as one of the best Pokémon games of all time even to this day. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Dawn of a New Remake  I am not sure when or what was the exact moment that started all this. You've seen all the Hoenn Confirmed memes, now prepare yourselves for several thousands more of Sinnoh Confirmed. If you are/were a Pokémon fan, then you and I both know that it is impossible to deny the existence of the increasingly loud demand for a remake of Pokémon Diamond and Pearl. The mainline Pokémon games are not new to the concepts of revisiting their older entries and remaking them from the ground-up for nostalgic and newer fans. Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen are Game Boy Advance remakes of Red and Green, Pokémon HeartGold and SoulSilver are Nintendo DS remakes of Gold and Silver, and Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire are Nintendo 3DS remakes of Ruby and Sapphire. HeartGold and SoulSilver in particular is widely regarded as the best of the Pokémon remakes as well as one of the best games in the whole franchise—you can actually see just how much people love it for yourself in this Pokémon thread, made here on MAL! With the series' past history, it is clearly no surprise that a remake of Diamond and Pearl may soon follow, since it is the game right after Ruby and Sapphire and it has not yet gotten a remake, and Sword and Shield have been out for quite a while now. There are even several little nods to Sinnoh in Sun and Moon and Sword and Shield, so it seems that Game Freak is practically teasing the fanbase about it already. Of course, it is possible that the franchise may pull a gen 5 and gen 7 move and release a new generation next year instead of bringing back the spotlight to these games after so long. But many Sinnoh fans are hopeful that their day of retribution will eventually come, and are especially hopeful after some leaks have come forth stating a new Pokémon remake may soon be on its way. Which brings me to... ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Hopes and Dreams ...what made me decide on making this thread... this video. This guy made this video that describes his thoughts, hopes, and dreams for potential Sinnoh remakes. It was a very informative video and it made me want to bring some of this discussion over here into the MAL forums. I know there are a bunch of Pokémon fans here on MAL and I'm sure many of them are open to Game Freak revisiting the Sinnoh region. So I would like to hear all of your thoughts, forum regulars of MAL. Especially if you are a Sinnoh fan and really want Game Freak to remake your favorite Pokémon game—if that's the case for you, I would especially love to see some of your highly detailed thoughts. But of course, unpopular opinions and hot takes are also welcome. So sure, let us discuss; here are a few questions that you may want to think about answering before you post here:
❁ All right, have fun! ❁  Edit 2/26/21: Ladies and gentlemen.................. we got 'em. |
Fario-PFeb 26, 2021 7:36 AM
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| I just hope they bring back Mega Evolutions. |
| It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person. |
| Honestly, I don't really have high hopes. GameFreak and Nintendo have been shown to be very consumer unfriendly companies, and if they can get away with making a cheaper product, they will probably do that. I'm sure they saw SwSh with dollar signs in thier eyes knowing they don't have to try anymore. It's not like Masuda hasn't, he was responsible for the DS era which is highly regarded to be peak pokemon, but I think BW was sort of the lost generation, as it can be attributed to Masuda's changed mindset. I'm sure people will still play the games just because they have pokemon in them, its not like the kids can tell the difference between good and bad pokemon games. At least it will change up the competitive scene, which is my favorite aspect to pokemon right now. |
| I would like to see it happen but idk if they will. Its been long enough time since pearl/diamond came out that the possibility of a remake is there. My fear is that they might turn it into a lets go Pikachu type of game. Pokémon pearl was my first Pokémon game, and seeing it in 3D would be awesome. I just hope they keep the idea of teaching your Pokémon moves as many times as you want instead of going back to how it was in Pearl. |
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Ringtomb said: Honestly, I don't really have high hopes. GameFreak and Nintendo have been shown to be very consumer unfriendly companies, and if they can get away with making a cheaper product, they will probably do that. I'm sure they saw SwSh with dollar signs in thier eyes knowing they don't have to try anymore. It's not like Masuda hasn't, he was responsible for the DS era which is highly regarded to be peak pokemon, but I think BW was sort of the lost generation, as it can be attributed to Masuda's changed mindset. I'm sure people will still play the games just because they have pokemon in them, its not like the kids can tell the difference between good and bad pokemon games. At least it will change up the competitive scene, which is my favorite aspect to pokemon right now. To be honest... I actually agree with you. I really haven't been liking the direction that Pokémon has been going ever since I played Pokémon Moon. I guess I am not fond of Shigeru Ohmori as a director, because I wasn't too happy about what I heard about Omega Ruby/Alpha Sapphire, and Sun/Moon was somewhat mediocre to me. Because of this, I stopped playing the mainline games after Moon and became unconfident about the franchise's future. I was not confident about Sword and Shield when it was announced last year, and I definitely did not like what caused the meltdown that followed either lol. Some of the business practices regarding the latest Pokémon services like Pokémon Home further dampened any hopes I had left. So yeah, if Sinnoh remakes do end up happening, I admittedly don't think that they will be any good. Unless Shigeki Morimoto returns to direct it, or if Genius Sonority somehow decides to come over and develop it... then maybe... It's sad that it's how I feel about the series now, but... I just feel like Game Freak will just remove everything that made Diamond/Pearl/Platinum special and will just add more flaws to the region on top of the ones the region had from the beginning (and I bet they won't even fix those since they didn't really do much to Hoenn's design). I really regret the fact that I was part of the group that wasn't fond of Black/White when it first came out. They were probably the last quality mainline games and it seems that the series has since fallen from that level of quality. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ K-J-Whitten said: I would like to see it happen but idk if they will. Its been long enough time since pearl/diamond came out that the possibility of a remake is there. My fear is that they might turn it into a lets go Pikachu type of game. Pokémon pearl was my first Pokémon game, and seeing it in 3D would be awesome. I just hope they keep the idea of teaching your Pokémon moves as many times as you want instead of going back to how it was in Pearl. That's a very valid fear. The thought of seeing Sinnoh in fully-fledged 3D is exciting, but... with fears like that, then I don't know how to feel about it lol. |
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| And can they please do something about the EVs and IVs. Make it super easy for players to obtain the Pokemon EVs and IVs that they want. |
| It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person. |
| I'd love to revisit Sinnoh, but as others have said with GF's recent showing the remakes might end up as a disaster. I honestly doubt they could make the remakes better than the original gen 4 games, but revisiting Sinnoh in 3d with wild areas and shit would be awesome. So hopefully GF manages to step it up for future Pokemon games. If they do decide to make remakes, I really hope Arceus gets a role in the story, or maybe a side story like the Delta Episode in ORAS. It's literally the Pokemon god but IIRC in the orginal games they never released it's event which is a damn shame. Remakes could give Arceus the screen time it deserves. In fact I hope they bring back the little stories for legendary/mythical Pokemon from the originals. Like how you had to go to that flower island to get Shaymin etc. Nowadays mythicals are so lame since they just give them to you lol Another thing I'd want to return is the Battle Frontier. I actually haven't played the gen 4 one since I only had Diamond, but I loved the one in Emerald. Inb4 they just do a fake out like they did with ORAS (seriously wtf was that about). Also imagine if they brought back the distortion world and made it a wild area. That would be wild lol |
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| Sorry for late replies, I keep forgetting to respond to people here haha. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ reiyakki said: i was never really able to play pokémon but from what i know the old games look much more fun a remake for me honestly it doesn’t sound that great for me remakes sometimes end plop Girl, it has never been more obvious that you haven't played a Pokémon game before... the Johto remakes HeartGold/SoulSilver are GODLY. In fact, I even recommend that one if you want to start playing Pokémon in general. Great remake, great game. I understand your concern there though. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Mirai said: If they do decide to make remakes, I really hope Arceus gets a role in the story, or maybe a side story like the Delta Episode in ORAS. It's literally the Pokemon god but IIRC in the orginal games they never released it's event which is a damn shame. Remakes could give Arceus the screen time it deserves. Agreed, the reasoning they gave for not making the Azure Flute legally available doesn't make much sense. Playing a flute on a certain spot on Mt. Coronet is "too confusing"? When people literally HAD TO LEARN BRAILLE for the three Regis????? In fact I hope they bring back the little stories for legendary/mythical Pokemon from the originals. Like how you had to go to that flower island to get Shaymin etc. Nowadays mythicals are so lame since they just give them to you lol Agreed with this one too. I appreciate that they're easier to get now with built-in wi-fi connecting and stuff, but Legendaries/Mythicals don't feel special anymore unless you watch some Pokémon movies. Another thing I'd want to return is the Battle Frontier. I actually haven't played the gen 4 one since I only had Diamond, but I loved the one in Emerald. Inb4 they just do a fake out like they did with ORAS (seriously wtf was that about). I haven't played much of the Battle Frontier myself aside from a casual stroll on my old SoulSilver file, but I remember it being interesting, so I agree with you here too. They better not pull another one of that stupid "Battle Frontier project has started" bullshit. Also imagine if they brought back the distortion world and made it a wild area. That would be wild lol The Distortion World in Platinum didn't have any Pokémon aside from Giratina, so I dunno how that'd work... unless you mean you want there to be a 3D camera view, in that case, yeah that'd be cool. |
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| Johto remakes done a lot for the originals, but they're... remakes of Johto still, which for me means a weak Pokemon generation, so-so regional dex, meh level curve and so on, but they are well done remakes of the originals. As for DP remakes, not being piss easy with full teams for mid-late game gym leaders and elite four is a good start to having a dope remake. There will be QOL improvements for sure, but more engaging gameplay would be nice. Just... no deep snow and fog mechanics pls lmao. Pls no. Also, don't know if Dynamax/G-Max should rear its head if the DP remakes come out in the 8th gen lineup. Do I have my fears and skepticism to actually care about any remakes of these games? Eh, probably. SwSh base game, handling most of the ORAS base game as remakes and so on. Like, taking a second to remember the fact that ORAS kinda just doesn't make use of the fact that it's a remake of 3rd gen in the 6th gen line of games to extend its regional dex in a meaningful way. Given that smaller and bigger gens alike put in more than the specific region's pokemon into them (in their original release or a sequel update) would've helped with having an Elite Four that doesn't duplicate pokemon. Ik ik, stuff like this was something present even in FireRed and LeafGreen as remakes, but stuff persisting for so long as a practice shouldn't be an excuse to not brainfart out something a bit better than the norm once in a while, at least. But shit is what it is, GF too comfy with just satisfying actual target audience :/ Probably the reason why I play ROM hacks so much these days. |
Poltergeist18Jan 7, 2021 6:06 AM
| I disliked gen 4, mostly due to how slow the games were, but I also feel they had the weakest OST and roster. But I'm willing to give the remakes a try if GameFreak doesn't fuck up. Which, considering the path they've been on the couple last years, is unlikely. Sun & Moon were, frankly, disappointing, and nothing else after that has interested me enough to come back to the franchise. |
| MOAR fire-types plz. |
Poltergeist18 said: I disagree about Johto being weak and not wanting some deep snow (I actually kinda like it lol), but yeah, no fog please. Waiting to read all that text of attempts at attacking that almost always failed (unless you went out of your way to find Defog beforehand like I did) does get pretty tedious.Johto remakes done a lot for the originals, but they're... remakes of Johto still, which for me means a weak Pokemon generation, so-so regional dex, meh level curve and so on, but they are well done remakes of the originals. As for DP remakes, not being piss easy with full teams for mid-late game gym leaders and elite four is a good start to having a dope remake. There will be QOL improvements for sure, but more engaging gameplay would be nice. Just... no deep snow and fog mechanics pls lmao. Pls no. Also, don't know if Dynamax/G-Max should rear its head if the DP remakes come out in the 8th gen lineup. . . . But shit is what it is, GF too comfy with just satisfying actual target audience :/ Maybe that's the real reason why The Pokémon Company goes out of its way to wipe out any fan projects as much as possible. They probably don't want to admit that there's actual competition from the fans lol.Probably the reason why I play ROM hacks so much these days. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Milennin said: ...Okay, I can understand disliking gen 4's speed and roster, but... the weakest OST? Are you kidding me?I disliked gen 4, mostly due to how slow the games were, but I also feel they had the weakest OST and roster. But I'm willing to give the remakes a try if GameFreak doesn't fuck up. Which, considering the path they've been on the couple last years, is unlikely. Sun & Moon were, frankly, disappointing, and nothing else after that has interested me enough to come back to the franchise. It's admittedly somewhat relieving to see someone else share the same feelings about gen 7, though. Thought I was the only one who didn't care that much for it, honestly. |
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If we do get Sinnoh Remakes, I hope they remove Dynamax and keep Gigantamax out. Bring back Mega Evolution. And please, give Lapras Mega Evolution. Look at this fanmade design. |
| It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person. |
| @Fario-P I mean, I'm not taking a knock on Johto designs wise. It doesn't lack cute, derpy and likeable pokemon. I don't like it in terms of strength or alternatives I have compared to Gen 1 at the time of its original release. And yeah, snow is my lil nitpick lol, but fog and HMs with rare or one-time uses is an annoying thing. Honestly, Pokemon doesn't have it as bad as other IPs published by Nintendo in terms of taking down fangames/hacks. From what I've seen, at least. The worst I've read happen is Pokemon Uranium getting taken down on its full release and taking down documentation for making Pokemon fangames in RPG Maker. I might have missed stuff, but Pokemon fangames don't make the news on articles about this sort of stuff nearly as much and don't get halted right at the beginning of development as often, either. Even the stuff I mentioned that got taken down still circulates around the internet and got tweaks n stuff. Hacks and fangames I've played a few years back are still around, Showdown is still up as an online battling browser game, so it's not absolutely terrible for the community. It's not excluded that things may tighten up and end up a lot worse tho. |
| I really don't want remakes of gen 4. I think the games are fine as they are (except maybe the speed and some minor things) and I don't think bringing them up to date to the latest versions would improve them in any way. ORAS was the last Pokemon game I played and that was already kinda crappy (except for the soundtrack). This is how I picture the remakes to be: the beautiful sprite artwork gets replaced with PS2 level polygon graphics, the game becomes way too easy, a lot of content will be cut and/or replaced with weird random stuff nobody asked for. |
| I'm curious to see what DP remakes will look like, especially because, assuming they do came, I will finally be able to travel trough Sinnoh without HMs (and limited TMs) holding me back. |
Fario-P said: What do you love about Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, and why? I like that they're better than the GBA games. What is your stance on Sinnoh remakes? Do you want them or not, or do you just not care? Why or why not? I haven't bought a Pokemon game since gen 5 ended. Do you think Game Freak will be able to improve upon the Sinnoh experience? No. |
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| In the meanwhile, I'll just leave this here due to relevancy: Furret has been walking up that escalator for a while now. |
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| Meh, if it's anything like the ORAS remakes I may as well continue playing fan games, hell I've been thinking of making my own lately. |
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| There has been some recent news about the Pokémon Diamond/Pearl remakes shared by Crunchyroll. The subdomain of the website for diamond and pearl got registered to the Pokémon website domain. So the remake could be happening. https://twitter.com/Crunchyroll/status/1350163472001232897 |
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| Oops forgot to reply here again. Pokémon Day is coming. still surprised they got Post Malone and Katy Perry lol, definitely not names I was expecting to hear being associated with this series ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Gorochu said: I was never super into Mega Evolutions, but I'll admit that this is a pretty cool Pokémon design.If we do get Sinnoh Remakes, I hope they remove Dynamax and keep Gigantamax out. Bring back Mega Evolution. And please, give Lapras Mega Evolution. Look at this fanmade design. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ AshitaNoJonas said: That'll create a new controversy for sure, but I'm more sure that people will be more upset if the fight with Cynthia is made easier.This is how I picture the remakes to be: the beautiful sprite artwork gets replaced with PS2 level polygon graphics, the game becomes way too easy, a lot of content will be cut and/or replaced with weird random stuff nobody asked for. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Vini310 said: Uhh... about limited TMs... didn't Pokémon Sword/Shield introduce TRs which are basically oldschool TMs again? XDI'm curious to see what DP remakes will look like, especially because, assuming they do came, I will finally be able to travel trough Sinnoh without HMs (and limited TMs) holding me back. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Lucifrost said: How exactly would you say they're better than the GBA games?Fario-P said: What do you love about Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, and why? I like that they're better than the GBA games. Everyone has different opinions on how they felt these games improved over Gen 3 and I find that interesting, so that's why I'm asking. :) ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Oooh boy here's a big rant post, this will be fun :D SnugglyWhuggly said: I didn't play X/Y (yet), but yeah I started dropping out of the franchise after Sun/Moon, so I agree.I don't want Diamond and Pearl remakes to be honest. The Switch has honestly killed my interest in mainline Pokemon games completely. This series used to a very huge part of my life growing up, and I continued to play them into my teenage and adult years, but when X/Y came out, it felt like there was something "wrong". Couldn't quite put my finger on it, but it just didn't feel right. [Sword and Shield] did open my eyes to what felt "wrong" about the games since X and Y though, and that's that they just felt... Lifeless. The Pokemon now look like they're designed to make plush toys, not like they're animals. You know, I never really thought about the recent monster designs in that way before. Your post has opened my eyes.It's just gotten far too monetised, when the series has always been monetised to begin with, it's felt like it's gotten to the point where they're not even trying to hide that fact any more. Pokemon Home, Pokemon Go, the Sw/Sh DLC that should have been the post-game, the Pokeball Plus and all these lame gimmicks to try and force people to cough up as much money as possible is honestly just repulsive to me at this point. The games have honestly been rather boring since the 3DS, even ORAS which I was super hyped for since Ruby/Sapphire have always been my favourites in the series, felt rather lacklustre compared to previous remakes. I still feel the urge to play R/S/E even when ORAS exists, even though I much prefer FR/LG and HG/SS to their original games. Oh yeah, maybe it's because I've grown up to an age where I can recognize marketing now, but yeah this generation's large slew of paid services is pretty damn transparent that it's quite ridiculous. I can only dream of getting cool new Pokémon spin-offs at the same rate and amount as these services these days..... god I miss most of those random spin-offs so much.........Also feeling like playing the original over a supposedly-improved remake more sounds pretty sad, but that's just how this series seems to be these days. It's kinda irksome seeing a game like Cyberpunk 2077 get so much backlash for clearly being unfinished, yet no one bats an eyelid when Charizard can't even shoot fire from his mouth. Sure, I know Cyberpunk is a lot worse in terms of stability compared to Pokemon, but I'm willing to bet it took a fraction of the time, resources and effort to make Pokemon than it did Cyberpunk, esepcially with how much recycled content was used for Sw/Sh. ...I mean, I can't say nobody bat an eye over Charizard shooting fire from anywhere other than its mouth... but yeah I don't understand how Pokéfans are this desperate to gloss over stuff like this in their attempts at bootlicking. I'd think that if you truly loved a series, you'd want to see it improve each and every time, but I guess not. *shrug*✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Guilion said: Don't bother making fan games, Nintendo will probably kill it off. You'd be better off making an indie game with an original IP/lore/world, but similar gameplay concept as this series and attempt to be some kind of "competitor" or alternative anyway. You'd be able to actually make money off of it that way and get some clout of your own at the same time.Meh, if it's anything like the ORAS remakes I may as well continue playing fan games, hell I've been thinking of making my own lately. in other words, take the Stardew Valley approach |
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Fario-P said: How exactly would you say they're better than the GBA games? Everyone has different opinions on how they felt these games improved over Gen 3 and I find that interesting, so that's why I'm asking. :) Diamond and Pearl brought back everything I liked about gen 2 that was missing from gen 3. |
| その目だれの目？ |
Fario-P said: ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Vini310 said: Uhh... about limited TMs... didn't Pokémon Sword/Shield introduce TRs which are basically oldschool TMs again? XDI'm curious to see what DP remakes will look like, especially because, assuming they do came, I will finally be able to travel trough Sinnoh without HMs (and limited TMs) holding me back. Yes, and it's a redundant mechanic that's very likely to return in the DP remakes (assuming they even come in Gen 8). Also, you mentioned that fans shouldn't bother creating fangames because Nintendo will shut them down, but the huge amount of fangames, both old and new, that are still on the Internet say otherwise. As long as the fangame don't get too popular (i.e. if IGN or ANN mention its existence), they are safe. |
| They have one job and it's to not fuck up the OST aka Sinnoh pianos/jazz. Barry/Professor Rowan's theme/Eterna City/Canalave/Route 209/Pokémon League/etc. |
Reina_OrikasaFeb 15, 2021 1:18 PM
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Ringtomb said: Honestly, I don't really have high hopes. GameFreak and Nintendo have been shown to be very consumer unfriendly companies, and if they can get away with making a cheaper product, they will probably do that. I'm sure they saw SwSh with dollar signs in thier eyes knowing they don't have to try anymore. It's not like Masuda hasn't, he was responsible for the DS era which is highly regarded to be peak pokemon, but I think BW was sort of the lost generation, as it can be attributed to Masuda's changed mindset. I'm sure people will still play the games just because they have pokemon in them, its not like the kids can tell the difference between good and bad pokemon games. At least it will change up the competitive scene, which is my favorite aspect to pokemon right now. The fact that a lesser known and less profitable studios put more effort into their games really tells a lot. Genshin Impact>Pokemon |
| It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person. |
| If they turn it into a Let's Go Chimchar and Let's Go Piplup I'm gonna let's go with my plan to shoot up the Gamefreak HQ. I'm joking about the shooting, yall really shouldn't take me so seriously |
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Gorochu said: If we do get Sinnoh Remakes, I hope they remove Dynamax and keep Gigantamax out. Bring back Mega Evolution. And please, give Lapras Mega Evolution. Look at this fanmade design. Yeah, Mega Evo's were the best mechanic by far. That looks sick. |
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| So this week, the famed Centro Pokémon Leaks made a few Twitter posts regarding potential Sinnoh remakes. https://twitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1362193057261776898 https://twitter.com/CentroLeaks/status/1362477205096390662 Apparently there'll be some big news next week before Pokémon Day arrives. Be prepared to watch this thread blow up with replies if that's the case. Also, I found these two videos discussing the development of mainline Pokémon titles recently. Thought they were cool videos (fairly underrated Pokétuber it seems), so I recommend that you all watch them too. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Vini310 said: Well, the threat of Nintendo shutting them down isn't my main reason for saying that. I just feel like the creativity that people put into these Pokémon fangames are getting wasted onto an IP managed by a company that pretty much doesn't care about the the older hardcore fans or whatever they have to say about their games. All these cool Fakémon or whatever people call these monsters they're creating could have been better used on an original indie project that they could completely call their own. Then these people will find that their hard work and effort were all in vain when Nintendo eventually finds them and pulls out the ban hammer.Fario-P said: Uhh... about limited TMs... didn't Pokémon Sword/Shield introduce TRs which are basically oldschool TMs again? XD Yes, and it's a redundant mechanic that's very likely to return in the DP remakes (assuming they even come in Gen 8). Also, you mentioned that fans shouldn't bother creating fangames because Nintendo will shut them down, but the huge amount of fangames, both old and new, that are still on the Internet say otherwise. As long as the fangame don't get too popular (i.e. if IGN or ANN mention its existence), they are safe. It's not like indie games made by fans of age-old games don't have any impact either, hence why I mentioned Stardew Valley towards that user. After ConcernedApe got inspired by the original SNES Harvest Moon and made the now widely-praised game, you can notice other farming games like Natsume's Harvest Moon games* taking a few cues from Stardew Valley into their gameplay. I'm starting to think that Marvelous is starting to take some ideas for their new game Story of Seasons: Pioneers of Olive Town as well, because the trailers for that game show that your inventory is briefly shown at the bottom of the screen, just like how it's displayed in Stardew Valley. * before anyone asks, yes I'm well aware of the extensive history behind the Harvest Moon name and I'm well aware that the older farm series I loved as a child is called Story of Seasons now; there, I saved you a couple of hours from trying to needlessly explain something I already know about, sorry for the disclaimer but considering the fanbase at the moment I felt like I had to state this So I don't see why someone shouldn't just go and make their own indie project with all the ideas they wanted for the Pokémon series in it instead of putting the Pokémon name in it. Sure, there'll be a lot of discouraging people just name-calling it as a "Pokémon clone" without realizing that Pokémon is just one small fish in a large lake that is the monster-taming genre (or whatever it's called). But at least then they'll get their own following and make some hard-earned cash on their own without having to worry about The Pokémon Company breathing on them. They also can make their own game as difficult and the lore as dark/complicated as they want if they really want to, without worrying about trying to make it feel like a Pokémon game so that it justifies the series' title. If this hypothetical indie project gets popular and widely praised enough, maybe just maybe Game Freak will take notice and start to take cues from that indie game and put them into the mainline Pokémon games. Hey, you never know, it could actually work and make the series great again, what the fans have always wanted since X/Y. Competition is not necessarily a bad thing since it motivates companies to constantly improve their products, and more people should realize that. Sorry if this reply seems redundant, I guess I was a bit too passionate and disorganized with my thoughts here. Hope you understand the thought process I had behind that earlier reply now though. edit tl;dr I'm not opposed to fan games, definitely not. It's just if people want the mainline Pokémon series to improve, then they need to realize that they have to try to make their own ideal Pokémon experience into original indie game projects. People always say they want a harder and more mature/adult Pokémon game... so they should make it themselves, just don't brand it as Pokémon and make an original Mon species instead. Maybe the attempt at competing Pokémon will force Game Freak to truly shake things up for the franchise. |
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| Hopefully the Arceus encounter happens in the remake, in the originals you had to use cheats to get the item that triggers that event. |
| First of all if the remakes are to be released in the current generation (8) that would mean dynamax would still be in the game because knowing Gamefreak they're too lazy to make it a stand alone game. We've seen this with Heart Gold and Soul Silver (gen 4), ORAS (gen 6) already. As much as I do want the remakes, I would rather want a well polished game rather than a rushed and unpolished product. But then again Gamefreak has been on the decline ever since making the change from 2D - 3D. |
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| I want to comment on what you said about alternatives to Pokemon. I’m actually surprised such a popular genre doesn’t have better games coming from Japan. It’s no wonder Pokemon doesn’t improve when it faces such pathetic competition from AAA studios! Yokai Watch gets no promotion in America, despite being published by Nintendo. The most popular Shin Megami Tensei games are those that place the least emphasis on monsters. The only Digimon game I played was so bad, I promised never to play another. It’s been 10 years since Dragon Quest Monsters last got an English translation! Indie games really are the genre’s only hope. I played a very good game last year called “Monster Sanctuary.” https://monster-sanctuary.com/ |
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| All right, Pokémon fans... the day of reckoning is near. https://twitter.com/Pokemon/status/1364923859326169089 ❗ Get ready, Trainers. A Pokémon Presents video presentation will be taking place on the official Pokémon YouTube channel tomorrow—Friday, February 26—at 7:00 a.m. PDT. Let us see what happens tomorrow. Maybe Centro Leaks will get it right yet again. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Psajdak said: You could be right, but that last part sounds odd to me. Some of the supposed "leakers" for potential Sinnoh remakes have stated mechanics like Dynamax will return, and that is something that most diehard Pokémon fans, much less Sinnoh fans, DO NOT want.I think it is similar to the current rumors of Metal Gear Solid Remake (something I myself would love to play) being in development. Frankly, I believe those are just rumors in the end, or rather people being hungry for more, and more excitement, especially since now legendary Final Fantasy VII Remake reveal, something which to this day still feels unreal. Those leakers probably just say everything people want to hear/read, in order to get more clicks. ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ ⋆ ✶ Lucifrost said: Yeah, Pokémon seriously needs some serious competition and it's odd that nothing has even come close to it.I want to comment on what you said about alternatives to Pokemon. I’m actually surprised such a popular genre doesn’t have better games coming from Japan. It’s no wonder Pokemon doesn’t improve when it faces such pathetic competition from AAA studios! Yokai Watch gets no promotion in America, despite being published by Nintendo. The most popular Shin Megami Tensei games are those that place the least emphasis on monsters. The only Digimon game I played was so bad, I promised never to play another. It’s been 10 years since Dragon Quest Monsters last got an English translation! Indie games really are the genre’s only hope. I played a very good game last year called “Monster Sanctuary.” https://monster-sanctuary.com/ Never heard of Monster Sanctuary before, looks interesting. |
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| So the announcement is happening tomorrow? The reddit sub seems to think so and they're usually wrong, lol. |
| I really want to play D/P/Pl. I never got the chance or the urge to get it on the 3ds although I still have the console. Would love a remake on the switch. |
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| Direct in a few hours and a ton of rumors floating around already. |
| Ladies and gentlemen—we got 'em And not just that too........ we also got this really interesting stylistic prequel or something going on Thoughts???? also centro leaks was right again how the hell did they get all this info first |
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| Gamefreak is obviously putting all it's resources into the Legends game which does make sense seeing that the Diamond/Pearl remakes are being developed by another company and do look and feel quite different. I'm definitely more hyped for Legends. Exploring Sinnoh in ancient times? sign me up. |
| Pearl Version was my first Pokémon game. Gosh, it doesn't feel like nearly 15 years ago since they released... I've been waiting for this ever since ORAS were announced Now I just have to wait another decade or so for Black and White (my favorite Pokémon games) to get remakes lol EDIT: As for those questions... which I might answer slightly oddly since the remakes have been revealed now What do you love about Diamond/Pearl/Platinum, and why? The soundtrack is my favorite of any Pokémon game. The new Pokémon introduced are one of my favorite sets of new mons (behind Unova and Hoenn's). Sinnoh is my favorite region. The lore (such as Arceus and the Canalave Library books are really interesting) What is your stance on Sinnoh remakes? Do you want them or not, or do you just not care? Why or why not? Definitely glad they're here! As I mentioned before I've waiting since ORAS were revealed What do you personally want in a Sinnoh remake? What don't you want? I want new Mega Evolutions/GMax forms/regional variants but realistically I don't think any of those will be added. Dialga and Palkia will probably get new forms though, like Kyogre and Groudon in ORAS. Maybe Origin Formes like Giratina's? Either way I'd like to see some sort of new forms Do you have any fears/concerns for a potential Sinnoh remake? My biggest fear was that they would be "Let's Go!" games but that thankfully doesn't seem to be the case What aspects of these game are you hoping to be improved upon the most in a potential Sinnoh remake? I want them to improve on the story's writing. Personally I don't think the Pokémon games' stories were very good until Black/White. ORAS improved RS's story significantly IMO so I want BDSP to do the same for DP. What are your thoughts on the recent Pokémon leaks regarding this subject? I don't look at them. I'm very glad I didn't have these games (or Legends Arceus) spoiled. Watching that Pokémon Presents was so hype. I think leakers should be arrested honestly. Can't stand them Do you think Game Freak will be able to improve upon the Sinnoh experience? I'm hoping they do since my love of DP is mainly just nostalgia. If they managed to make RS (my least favorite mainline game) into one of my favorites (ORAS) I'm sure they can improve DP EDIT 2: I see a lot of people saying they're not fond of the chibi style. That's fine everyone's entitled to an opinion but personally to me it looks exactly like how I always imagined the generation 1 to 4 overworld sprites would look in 3D... They were pretty chibi too right?  <- Original Diamond/Pearl overworld sprites |
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| Not a huge fan of the chibi art style but I have lots of fond memories playing the originals so I’ll pick it up. I think legends will either be awful or amazing. I’m going to be optimistic though. |
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| Can't say I'm too fond of the chibi style either, but I'm just relieved they didn't add the dumb Let's Go shit to it. They're apparently faithful remakes, and that makes me happy. |
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| I'm really excited for both games that are coming out. Pokémon Pearl was the first Pokémon game I've played, and hopefully, these games are as good, if not better, as the originals. The change in art style was quite weird, but I don't mind it so much. Now for the game I'm really excited about: Pokémon Legends Arceus. First off, I'm a huge fan of the shinobi styled-characters and overall ancient Japan feeling. It's an aesthetic I simply really love. Additionally, this game will be really interesting in terms of story, as it'll likely be answering multiple questions we've had in the past. I'm really optimistic about this game, and I can't wait to see how it will turn out. This is just gives me another reason for me to buy a switch. |
| I'm also in the boat of not being too fond of the remake's art style. I'll probably skip on these, especially if they're gonna be priced as the standard 60$. Now Pokemon legends on the other hand I'm hyped for. Open world Pokemon game in ancient Sinnoh with Arceus playing a major role? Sign me the fuck up. I really hope GF doesn't bomb this one. The fps in the trailer looked pretty horrifying but I'll keep my hopes up that the final version is gonna look better. |
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| DP but no Plat? Ok Nintendo. Time to set aside $120 to stand in line at Best Buy GameStonk and fight a kid for the last copy of the game at launch. |
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| I'm not a fan of the visuals but if the game is good I am stoked. Gonna roll with Pearl like I did many many years ago. |
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