| Let's talk about Gundam or Precure or YGO or Digimon or Pokemon or Aikatsu or Macross or Nanoha or anything really. |
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| I'd prefer that, yes, but there isn't really a need to choose as there could be 2 separate rankings. It's basically half implemented as series are already interconnected in the DB (you can see prequels/sequels/side-stories). Just average those (maybe weight per length so that bonus OVAs and such don't affect the "normal" seasons much) and create a score out of that. Bam! No more stuff like the 20 Gintama entries in the top 10! |
| This doesn't matter to me how MAL deals with entries as I already track individual entry through MAL and on a spreadsheet. I also have weighted average of franchises collected in my spreadsheet that I watched. |
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| I don't like the system IMDB uses because it forces me to give a high score to crap like the simpsons because I like the early episodes. I also haven't watched past S1 of westworld but according to IMDB I have watched the entire show. Sometimes quality changes drastically from season to season and I want that to be reflected more accurately in the scores. |
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| There are some pros and cons to both systems clearly. Hard to say one design is objectively better than the other but either way MAL is never going to change to IMDB's system because it'd pretty much require the whole database to be remade from scratch. Just more effort than it's worth |
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| No, definitely not. Different season of the same anime can vary in quality a lot, so I'm glad I can rate the separately. And also for example if I watch 2 seasons of something but decide to drop the 3rd one I don't have to mark the whole series as dropped if the seasons count as separate entries. |
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IzayoiRose said: Let's talk about Hayate which have 3 different studio adapting within 4 season, DxD which have 2 studio within 4 season who by the way have a chunk of it's third season outright retconed, Date A Live which have 3 different studio for all 3 season, Oregairu that are adapted by 2 different studio, BanG Dream which entirely change art style from 2d to full CGI, etc.NeoAnkara said: Let's talk about Gundam or Precure or YGO or Digimon or Pokemon or Aikatsu or Macross or Nanoha or anything really. Those are all separate series in their own right. What I mean is anime that are based on one manga/ source but for whatever reason are treated as multiple seasons when in anime form. Think MHA, SAO, Seven Deadly Sins, Shokugeki no Souma, AOT, etc. Separate entry is just meant to be seen that way and presented that way. |
| Kickstarter for Rokujouma is fully funded. Good work everyone. Lets wait for the result of our hard work together. |
| It would be nice, especially those series that only get a single season. I mean, the entirety of Spice & Wolf would be amazing... but you have to think, how many people wouldn't be fans of the series' manga/LN? I think S&W's LN did help me get back into reading, so I don't exactly regret that the world is stuck in this method. |
| "You know you've reached peak quality when a doujin is better than the actual source series." (Eg. To LOVE-Ru) Just to list a couple of biases. Likes: A good story, characters, writing, romance, a good plot twist or something that breaks expectations (In a good way), 'backstory' and justice. Dislikes: Bad romance, too much fanservice, the harem genre, yuri, yaoi, and bad writing. |
| Imagine trying to rate Fate series: Studio DEAN, Ufotable, Lerche, Cloverworks, Production IG etc have worked on separate installments, with multiple versions of the same series (Unlimited Blade Works). Maybe we can have a separate individual ranking of the season and a similar "Franchise" ranking which will show it's overall rating. Gintama definitely needs to have a compiled ranking though. Someone said Jojo was rather homogenous in the comments before (you're dead wrong)- hell even JOJO has this dead ass old OVA series. |
| Yeah no, I wouldn't rate 90s berserk the same as new ones |
| time for my copypasta again: let me list some of the issues with that idea/arguments against it: 1. How to implement it? You can't really do it automatically by simply using the 'relations' part of MAL entries because there are so many different kind of relations between entries and some franchises are related to each other via crossover episodes even when they are otherwise independent franchises. I can only reasonable see it being done manually, on a case-by-case basis which not only seems like a ton of work but also would result in a lot of bickering about which franchises should be combined together in which ways etc.... 2. Related to that is the fact that franchises can have entries that are related to each other in very different ways and I don't think it's fair to combine all of them together. For example something like Gundam or Precure, where every entry is basically a standalone entry (or most are) it makes no sense to combine them together even though it's the same franchise. There are also a lot of cases where a franchise consists of various remakes of the same source material, sometimes with multiple decades in between them being made by completely different people so combining those and pretending they deserve one average score also makes no sense. There's also the question of how to treat spin-offs. Also what about non-TV entries of a franchise, like recaps, movies, OVAs and Specials? Should those often irrelevant side stories impact the average score of the entire franchise? Do we want to punish popular franchises because they get a lot of tiny, random specials? Do we want Dragon Ball, for example, to have an average score mainly determined by the shitton of mediocre movies the franchise got over the years because they vastly outnumber the main entries?. 3. And last but not least even if none of the above is the case and we are talking about a franchise that is just a bunch of TV Seasons there are enough cases where the production team and studio completely changed between seasons, making it not really helpful to treat them as just one and the same show when there can be vast differences in terms of execution, visuals or designs. And finally even if that is not the case, seasons can vary greatly in quality and I don't think it's bad thing to give people the option to express those differences in qualities. It's both nice for adding them to your list, being able to show which parts/seasons you liked and which you didn't and it's helpful for people who haven't seen the show yet so they don't have too high hopes for the second season just because the first season is well received, or the other way round. If it were up to me I'd even argue that it would be beneficial to split up long-runners into various entries of 50 or 100 episodes each so people can score them individually, score them more precisely, emphasizing their favorite and least favorite parts and giving new viewers an idea of which arcs are the most popular or critically acclaimed ones. Having more detailed information about how good individual parts of a story/franchise are in relation to each other is a good thing and having to scroll a bit more is a small price to pay for that as far as I'm concerned. But as it is neither your nor mine preference for how entries and scores should be organized really matter, it all just depends on how a show ends up airing and I think that's fine. Noone gets special treatment, it's not a matter of how we want to see entries organized, it is just how it is and the rules are the same for every entry - how they are split up just reflects how they were aired in Japan. Wanting to overhaul the entire DB and scoring system because of something incidental like that seems like a vast overreaction to me. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Gythia said: Yes, but only if we can still rate them per-season. So what I mean is that we have multiple ratings for 1 series. 1 for overall then the rest for seasons and others. I agree with this, I think. People think I've watched more unique shows than I actually have since MAL separates different seasons. It's not a big deal, though. |
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| Nah, I don't want to have to lower my rating for Psycho-Pass because now I have to take the garbage second season into account. |
| Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength. |
| The current system is quite conviniet. Some shows might be better as a single entry but still, too much to take into account. Maybe there could be an option to group the shows within the list though, with the group score calculated automatically based on individual entries. An alternate top list could probably be arranged this way too. |
| @Pullman That is exactly what I wanted to say as well. I wouldn't put together movies/specials with the main TV series, as movies/specials of big franchises like Pokemon or One Piece tend to be lower rated, and they mostly aren't connected to the show's overarching plot line, so movies made for a quick buck can unfairly lower a really good show's score. We shouldn't take into account the stuff on the side to rate the main show. If a show stops airing after 3-6 months, and is followed by a sequel 1-2 years after, wouldn't that mean the production of the show stops, finalizing what's been released in that time period as it's own entry, as it would likely be different in terms of production value, producers and execution in the following season? If you really want to group shows together, then please take a good hard look at 7 Deadly Sins S3, even though they're part of the same series, I wouldn't consider them part of the same thing. And ironically, if you're gonna mention IMDB for it's ratings, why do they have different entries for the Planet Earth series (Planet Earth 1&2, Blue Planet 2, Our Planet), 4 shows of the same series in their top 10? Creating something like this will only cause many people to get angry and start arguing against one another, just leave it as it is, even as we recently revamped the scoring system. Having multiple seasons in the top 20 must mean it's really good, there's no harming in having them all up there. |
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| Maybe as a franchise rating yes, but having split seasons gives us more detailed scores imo. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| It would be too much work and too many judgment calls to combine some entries and not others; the current system that separates everything generally works well enough as it is. I may sometimes roll my eyes at "Unaired Episode 10.5" getting a separate entry here (where it wouldn't on AniDB or ANN), but at least it's consistent. -EnvyV2- said: Yes, so we don't have to wait a lot of time for a season to get released. BobRossTree said: Note that the thread is about how entries are organized in the MAL database, not actual production practices. Yes, I miss the old format of long running series |
| I hate that shit with every fiber of my being. I want to immediately see what I'm dealing with. I don't want to have to scroll down to 'related anime' on season 1 to find season 2, then scroll down again and find out there's a season 3, then scroll down and see that there's a sequel movie. |
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| The other way around, honestly.. Like, I'm not sure, if I'll ever watch One Piece.. But if it would be separated in parts, like Jojo is, for example - I watched first season.. Same with other series.. Like, I more likely will watch 3 seasons of slice of life series, like Yuru Yuri is, than pick one season which is of 36 episodes.. |
IzayoiRose said: bad idea.When I say this I'm thinking of how IMDB is doing it, and it only concerns long running series. For long running series they do not separate them into multiple entries but make them all one. Do you think MAL would benefit from this? Or is it a bad idea? it was released with seasons separately..... they should be kept / logged as is. |
| nah, because if there's an outlier season that clearly lacks in quality compared to the rest, it'd be hard to tell if it was a case where it was all compiled into one |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| I will come back to this topic I swear. |
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| Nope. There's a huge difference between each season of certain anime - be it the staff, animation studio or whatever else. Combining them into one would be pointless imo, separate entries makes sense. What are Berserk, One Punch Man or Nanatsu no Taizai fans going to do when rating the anime if it was all under 1 entry lol. Those are series known for having abysmal sequels. |
| They can stay steaming about Gintama. |
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| Thing is, everyone rates differently. While I might rate all seasons of any continuous story together with one rating, many don't. What would be good I think is to be able to show an anime franchise on your list with one overall score, and then scores by season if you want to do that. So, say someone has watched all of Monogatari. They could choose to show it on their list as just one entry, under something like "Monogatari (Franchise)", with an overall score. That would be fine for me because I don't differentiate by season. But say someone wanted to score by individual seasons, they could choose to have the entry expand on click and each season would appear with an associated score (or they could choose to do it without a click maybe and each season would appear displayed differently with an indent perhaps). Even better. Say someone wanted to score all of Monogatari together, except the Kizu movies. Given the different art style and other elements of production unique to those movies, this would make sense. They could choose to have "Monogatari (Franchise)" and "Kizumonogatari (Movies)" appear as separate entries. And, again, choose to have those entries expand and rate by individual movie/season if they wanted. I think this is the sort of flexible system with no downsides that caters for everyone and will never get implemented. |
| “In individuals, insanity is rare; but in groups, parties, nations and epochs, it is the rule.” -Friedrich Nietzsche Aggregate scoring is bad for the anime fandom |
| Why not both? Single entry divided by seasons. Spinoffs and prequels need their own though. |
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