| Mostly I mean shonen and shojo ai but chose said yaoi and yuri for the sake of brevity. Having be a true person of culture I have consumed a serviceable amount of gay anime and I have found the communities and demographics to be kinda fascinating. Now keep in mind when it comes to communities vocal minorities are the ones shown but I can argue they shape the general perception of each group. Shonen ai - I see fujoshis everywhere here which makes sense because this is their bread and butter. There seems to be a tendency make the gay ship when it is isn't warranted. Like the Izaya and Shizuo shippers in the Durarara fandom. There also seems to be a very vocal subgroup who have an obsession with violent degeneracy. Take the Killing Stalking fandom as an example, they have this obsession over a gay ship when the focus is more homoerotic horror. But the general positives I see is the more active community of the girly counterpart so there is definitely more people willing to discuss such media. Shoujo ai - I see alot of the harem anime but with all girls sort of thing. A good example is yuru yuri where the ships in general are multi layered and less strict 1 to 1 romances. Unless say Sakura Trick where the appeal is watching cute girls do cute kissy kissy while having the general taboo element. The community at large I see has an obsession with cuteness and I don't blame them. Cute lesbian anime girls are very uplifting. The darker elements I see is the crossover with the Madoka Magica community which has an obsession with needless tragedy and sadness. Hell, or even the general overlap with magical girl anime in general, even the cuter ones are generally homoerotic. The problem here is the western magical girl community holds Madoka really high while as the only more traditional magical girl anime that is a more household name is Sailor Moon. Do you think my perceptions of said groups are accurate, atleast to the vocal minorities or am I full of shit? What do you think of these communities and anime? Is my thread just ugly bricks of text? Discuss below. |
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| I've rarely seen any controversies over Fudanshis being disrespectful to the creators of a show. Now about fujoshis, can't really say the same(nothing against fujoshis. I have a colleague who loves yaoi shit, yet we're still on good terms). tl;dr ship whoever the fuck you want, just don't be a bunch of meanies! |
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| I tend to avoid the degenerate stuff in yaoi, such as the frequent appearance of sexual assault,and also couples with huge age gaps.I find enjoyment in shipping and reading doujinshis, and honestly there is nothing wrong with that, It's just that people tend to have a preconceived notion of how a fujioshi behaves based on a minority of people who act out |
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| Of the two, my experience is that the yuri fandom is primarily occupied by the really annoying and overbearing type of feminists and is generally more sociopolitical and moral discourse oriented on all rungs. If you're stupid and think this is like lesbian porn but with anime, then by all means, go into that fandom and become a subhuman dog who is the very problem with human existence in their eyes. It *might* be the fandom I tend to turn the most defensive around when I find a fan of it, even though it's not especially talked about in comparison to fujos because they're less known and do less off-the-wall shit. I dislike how heavily it's used to further personal politics within this fandom, and I *intensely* dislike what I see as an high degree of prudishness and moral authoritarianism that dominates a lot of the consensus of that fandom. Fujos are a mix of people like that, and people who are intensely...uh, "fanon" oriented in the same vein as shippers and what have you with a bit of a degenerate twang thrown into the mix. I don't mind them that much, 'cept when they try to fabricate issues with my little "tribe" for a lack of better terms, but they also can be incredibly overbearing, with emphasis on ones who tend to turn basic moments of friendship or camaraderie into gay subtext, which seems to be very grasp-y at the best of times. I prefer fujos between the two because I've met really fandom-y ones who are super into their little niche and would probably leave people like me be to our own devices, which is all I fucking want at the end of the day, whereas with yuri fans it feels like I wouldn't be able to talk to a single one I've seen without them being completely overbearing and obnoxious and I don't think I've seen many of them that I'm convinced would be willing to leave people like me to my own devices when it comes to the media I consume. |
ManabanNov 15, 2019 11:54 AM
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| I don't really follow the communities at all, so I have no idea what they talk about most of the time. I enjoy BL, especially romantic, light-hearted stuff with no sex in it. I have some friends who like BL, and we discuss it sometimes, but that's about it. I'm not into GL, so I know nothing about its fans. |
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Manaban said: Finally!Someone who doesn't have a negative perception of fujos(speaking as a fujo myself) Do yuri fans really act like that? Because if they actually act like that, that's awful, people always speak negatively of fujioshi but never say anything about yuri fans, so I wouldn't know tbhOf the two, my experience is that the yuri fandom is primarily occupied by the really annoying and overbearing type of feminists and is generally more sociopolitical and moral discourse oriented on all rungs. If you're stupid and think this is like lesbian porn but with anime, then by all means, go into that fandom and become a subhuman dog who is the very problem with human existence in their eyes. It *might* be the fandom I tend to turn the most defensive around when I find a fan of it, even though it's not especially talked about in comparison to fujos because they're less known and do less off-the-wall shit. Fujos are a mix of people like that and people who are intensely...uh, "fanon" oriented in the same vein as shippers and what have you with a bit of a degenerate twang thrown into the mix. I don't mind them but they also can be incredibly overbearing, with emphasis on ones who tend to turn basic moments of friendship or camaraderie into gay subtext, which seems to be very grasp-y at the best of times. I prefer fujos between the two because I've met really fandom-y ones who are super into their little niche and would probably leave people like me be to our own devices, whereas with yuri fans it feels like I wouldn't be able to talk to a single one I've seen without them being completely overbearing and obnoxious. |
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Missaliensan said: Do yuri fans really act like that? Because if they actually act like that, that's awful Eghhhhh, I don't know, I wouldn't say that on the most general level or advocate assuming negativity when you see a Yuri fan, I guess. But from my experience lurking about, particularly in clubs and discord servers or YT videos and comments alike, yeahh, it is a very, *very* politically inclined fandom, and I'd probably even bet that, for a lot of them, this comes first and foremost. And I don't like that, obviously, that's about the polar opposite of the type of person I want to talk about things with or be around. And I just find that type of discourse and these kinds of consensus far more prevalent there and that can make me a bit guarded. I would definitely say more politically driven than fujos on average, at least. And yeah, that is a big issue for me. Bigger than some people reacting histrionically or hyperbolically to their fanon not being canon, which catches fire and then goes out immediately far often than not. It's like a dangerous and unstable rollercoaster ride versus a terminal illness. The former is just fast and wild and has highs and lows and will probably crash and burn a dozen or so times a months, and the latter just passively sucks the life out of you over a drawn out period of time without anything really positive going for it. |
ManabanNov 15, 2019 12:11 PM
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Manaban said: Care to bring up any examples? I am curious as to how they would mention politics into cute subject of cute yuri couplesMissaliensan said: Do yuri fans really act like that? Because if they actually act like that, that's awful Eghhhhh, I don't know, I wouldn't say that on the most general level or advocate assuming negativity when you see a Yuri fan, I guess. But from my experience lurking about, particularly in clubs and discord servers or YT videos and comments alike, yeahh, it is a very, *very* politically inclined fandom, and I'd probably even bet that, for a lot of them, this comes first and foremost. And I don't like that, obviously, that's about the polar opposite of the type of person I want to talk about things with or be around. And I just find that type of discourse and these kinds of consensus far more prevalent there. I would definitely say more politically driven than fujos on average, at least. And yeah, that is a big issue for me. Bigger than some people reacting histrionically or hyperbolically to their fanon not being canon. Would I rather have a rollercoaster ride of off-the-wall shit that's very loud and wild before it crashes and burns, or would I rather have a slow, insidious virus sucking the life out of me from the inside? I take the rollercoaster ride. It's more entertaining and it's not a disease. |
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| Yes, there are some of us fujoshi who are suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper annoying about it, but they're definitely the minority. Unfortunately, it only takes one bad experience for someone to label the whole group :/ There are a lot of us who ship respectfully, and also understand that Killing Stalking is messed up... that's the point. It's not something to properly be shipped. It's just as bad as the Joker/Harley ship. Also, in the online circles I've been in, we've tried to keep the shipping to ourselves, trying not to bother the guys with it. But, heck, I, too, have had super bad experiences with certain fujoshi. Ngl, some of us can get super annoying. But that's certainly not all of us. I don't watch yuri, so I'm not super into the community, but from what I can tell on the outside in, is that... they're basically just treated like normal guys. They don't get the bad label that fujoshis get. Funnily enough, I had Digibro rant about this, basically: |
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Missaliensan said: Care to bring up any examples? I am curious as to how they would mention politics into cute subject of cute yuri couples A lot of male gaze and dubcon stuff tends to be central discussion about Yuri in the west, I've found. Concepts about what they deem to be appropriate ways to sexualize fictional characters like that. I see this often in the context of yuri discussions that I've come across, primarily from people who talk about it enough and expressly seek out yuri content that specifically fits their political and moral parameters. I know there's that YTer, Zeria, who wrote an interesting blog post about the demographics of the yuri audience and consumerbase that I actually found informative. She has a ton of videos up about yuri, its content and its audience, but I can't speak for certain because I refuse to watch them because of the completely fucking insane titles some of them have creates a huge amount of distrust for her credibility/sanity with me. I'll bring her up anyway, because she's a very yuri-oriented content creator and seems firmly rooted in that niche. Un fortu nately. Still, it wouldn't be unfair for me to take note that there probably is more types of discussion going on that I'm not in a place to speak for. The former, emphasis on criticizing it for male gaze-ish reasons, specifically irritates me with the Yuri fandom, since it is far closer to the Yaoi fandom than the ecchi or hentai audience in terms of demographics and target audiences domestically, i.e. it's primarily created with a female audience in mind by females because that composes the majority of both creators and consumers alike statistically, in the same way that Yaoi often is. It seems like pointless and unsubstantiated man blaming to me - not because "Well they can't do sexist things 'cause they're women," but because there's a degree of man-blaming for the work not being like they want because these creators are catering to pervy males, whenever, well, they're not. I just don't see how this could fit into their patriarchal narrative in light of, well, reality, but the issue in arguing with delusional people is that reality often doesn't apply in the first place. But these are people who want the type of work to succeed. They advocate it, they continue watching it, and they actively seek it out more often than not, even if they want to completely transform a lot of it. So, hey, that's enough for me to recognize them as a fandom for this type of thing. And I haven't seen many other types of discourse about the topic, so this is all I can work with in forming my image of the fandom. I know that one YTer I showed you has a ton of videos about it, many of which probably go beyond the basic concepts I brought up, but I think she's completely insufferable and I've found their comments section equally insufferable. I'd imagine there's crossover between the type of people I find doing my lurking bits around here considering the similarities in perspective and writing style. If there's anything else out there, I have literally never seen it and I'd have to be assuming. It's not an unfair assumption, but it's still just that - an assumption, in the face of the waves of people who seem absolutely insufferable that I've come across. OfDeathandLove said: I don't watch yuri, so I'm not super into the community, but from what I can tell on the outside in, is that... they're basically just treated like normal guys. They don't get the bad label that fujoshis get. That's kind of my weird thing with this. I feel like a lot of people see yuri as a lesbian thing and therefore assume the audience is largely, well, the same as it would be for lesbian pornography, even though everything I've seen and witnessed with them has been the opposite. The discussion, the blogs, the content creators, it all seems like a very deeply feminist and female-oriented niche fandom with a lot of prudish concepts and consensuses, relative to other niche anime/manga fandoms. I think it's a misconception based off of the notion that "Durr well guys really tend to like lesbian porn," because while it's true and any yearly pornhub report will prove that, it doesn't necessarily mean that yuri works are appealing or are even capable of appealing to that same audience that primarily consumes lesbian porn. But I think that's where it comes from, but I don't think it's actually true in this case. I linked it already, and while I personally hold little but contempt for the person who wrote this, this is something I still consider informative about the domestic yuri fandom, and our western side of things from my lurking around the community doesn't seem like it's massively different. |
ManabanNov 15, 2019 12:40 PM
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| As someone who is both into yaoi and yuri I'd say you exposed my cringe ass in your post and I feel shameful for even replying lmao Its all correct to a degree, but lets just say that those messed up things are all part of our fantasies and some of us are ashamed for liking the taboo things there are in yaoi/yuri.But hey, fiction is fiction and its a great thing because we can keep our desires away from real people! |
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| I know none who's into Shonen Ai, so don't know whether it's accurate and how much. Maybe those just really like story where no women are involved. About Shoujo Ai, there's indeed something cute and adorable about female couples, cute girls doing cute things together <3 I really like how the story usually puts a lot of emphasis on the emotions of the characters in question, romantic feelings developing is a big thing for them and it's fun to see where these feelings will take them. Mentioned taboo adds to that. |
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| From my experience, I feel like I've seen the yuri community seep more into the regular community compared to the yaoi...at least the toxic ones. Like Hibike Euphorium is the best example I can give where the vocal yuri community is so toxic when it comes to praising the Kumiko x Reina ship while obliterating the Kumiko x Shuuichi one. |
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Treuherzig said: As someone who is both into yaoi and yuri I'd say you exposed my cringe ass in your post and I feel shameful for even replying lmao Its all correct to a degree, but lets just say that those messed up things are all part of our fantasies and some of us are ashamed for liking the taboo things there are in yaoi/yuri.But hey, fiction is fiction and its a great thing because we can keep our desires away from real people! And fiction is a great way to express levels of degeneracy that real life doesn’t allow. Take it from me you aren’t the only degenerate here, lol. No need to feel ashamed. |
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Manaban said: Of the two, my experience is that the yuri fandom is primarily occupied by the really annoying and overbearing type of feminists and is generally more sociopolitical and moral discourse oriented on all rungs. If you're stupid and think this is like lesbian porn but with anime, then by all means, go into that fandom and become a subhuman dog who is the very problem with human existence in their eyes. It *might* be the fandom I tend to turn the most defensive around when I find a fan of it, even though it's not especially talked about in comparison to fujos because they're less known and do less off-the-wall shit. I dislike how heavily it's used to further personal politics within this fandom, and I *intensely* dislike what I see as an high degree of prudishness and moral authoritarianism that dominates a lot of the consensus of that fandom. oh my god I know how you feel, thought I was the only one who noticed! I've been consuming yuri on and off for almost as much time as I've been an anime fan, and it's only somewhat recently that this has been such a problem. About a decade or so ago, I've started reading yuri through touhou doujins, and let me tell you, the atmosphere was a lot more different from now. There were tons of translated works that had dubcon and very sexualized girls which I enjoyed. People cared more about its overseas gaming distribution than putting characters down for not having a positive relationship. But now, people reeeeaaaally care about """pure""" relationships, which was memed to stuff like "yuri is the purest form of love". This then devolved to political discussions like "you're not an ally for supporting such works that depict *gasp!* less-than-a-squiky-clean main-character morality!" It's the absolute worst when people try to stand up for fictional depictions of relationship of all places. I left the fandom because I really can't stand this sort of thinking, and also because I generally get bored of people having (what I'd like to call) a coffeeshop AU mindset/hivemind. Unfortunately, BL as of late has also been infected with these sort of people, who are weirdest shade of anti-fujos I've seen ("I'm a horny ally, unlike those other horny un-allies!"). But they seem to shot themselves in the foot because original creators and JP man actually don't think the same way they do about fujos. So...yeah. A little heated, I apologize, but I needed to take this off my chest. |
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| This isn't really about the communities but more about tropes and common themes that I've noticed in anime/manga which in turn does kind of say things about the fans of them. I find that Yaoi in general is really rapey. Like, there are very very few wholesome yaoi where the relationship doesn't at least start with some elements of harassment and I read a shit ton of it. (I don't have any yaoi in my manga list here on MAL because there are too many to add so you'll just have to believe me). The only one I can think of is Doukyuusei but even in that the teacher is a little bit on the rapey side. Shounen ai is much nicer and less rapey since it's basically good guy friends who are just a bit too close to be just friends. As for yuri, I feel like there is much more emphasis on the cuteness through the moe art style and stuff and I think it's less rapey at least to some degree. I'm not too sure since I haven't really watched or read any yuri since I don't like it but that's just my personal taste so whatever. From what I understand of the yaoi and shounen ai community, there are some kind of crazy fetish-driven fans that I can't stand but most fujioshis (like me, I guess) are nice people who just wanna watch some boys love each other and there's nothing wrong with that. Unfortunately, the majority of people who don't watch or read yaoi themselves only know or hear about the crazy fans since they're definitely more vocal about what they like. Since I'm not part of the yuri community I don't know anything about it so that's about it from me. |
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| A lot of fujoshis I've met online somehow think that watching/reading BL is some sort of proof of not being homophobic despite all the rampant bad tropes that BL has. If you say anything bad about the genre then they simply assume that you are a hetero male with fragile masculinity that most probably enjoys watching tentacle rape hentai instead (hello fujoshis, I'm the same gender as you!). My biggest grind with the genre is how often it romanticizes sexual assault and rape and how its fans defend such things with "It's not rape because he secretly wanted it". I can't speak for GL since I've never been involved with that fandom and don't intend to get myself involved either seeing how things are on the BL side, shippers in general get a bit too obsessive about what they like. |
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marinara-sauce said: So are most female–female and male–female romances; the standard of the socially influenced weakling is simply that it's not "rapey" when a female do it, but it's night impossible to find any common male lead–female harem setup that is not particularly rapey.I find that Yaoi in general is really rapey. Like, there are very very few wholesome yaoi where the relationship doesn't at least start with some elements of harassment and I read a shit ton of it. The TVTropes name for the genre is "unwanted harem", what would "unwanted" signify if not "rapey"? It features this image as illustration|  and puts the sarcastic subtitle "Man, it must be so hard for you chick magnets." under it — for it is not rapey if a female do it. No, male–male romance is in no way "rapier" than female–male romance and the bourgeois man that says so just proves he has difficulties recognizing a female actor as a rapist. Now, personally I love rapey charcters, be they male or female, but I also have noticed that many only share my love if the character be female, and also tend to not call such characters "rapey", though they do the exact same thing as the male characters they criticize on being "rapey". Dare I, in fact say that female–female rape is considered even less rapey than female–male rape by the man so weak and influenced by his covet for social approval. |
SphinxterNov 16, 2019 12:24 AM
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
| @Maou_heika I think there is just the fear of people knowing they have some sort of rape fetish. There's no shame in being non vanilla but I think they loath any sort of perceived negative reputations that comes from it. @Sphinxter The whole female's being perceived as less rapey was always something that hasn't sat well with me. As someone of above average looks I would bishonen cosplay and let me tell you women can be really handsy, not that I mind but it is an interesting facet of social interaction that nobody talks about. |
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Alpha_Tranny said: Certainly there is a lot of talk about it? There's just very little change though there's a lot of talk about it; it's almost like no talk will fix it because it's not a rational thing but a social impression.@Sphinxter The whole female's being perceived as less rapey was always something that hasn't sat well with me. As someone of above average looks I would bishonen cosplay and let me tell you women can be really handsy, not that I mind but it is an interesting facet of social interaction that nobody talks about. Regardless, it's simply my rebuttal to the common criticism that "yaoi is so rapey", I reject it holeheartedly; it's just as rapey as everything else, but when a female be as rapey as a male, the bourgeois man of gender simply perceives it not as such. |
SphinxterNov 16, 2019 12:50 PM
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Missaliensan said: Fujos are great. I used to frown upon them back in the days when anime wasn't my cup of tea but nowadays you could very well call me a fudanshi lol. One of them shipped me with a friend of mine and to this day she still refuses to say which one is top and which is bottom.Manaban said: Finally!Someone who doesn't have a negative perception of fujos(speaking as a fujo myself) Do yuri fans really act like that? Because if they actually act like that, that's awful, people always speak negatively of fujioshi but never say anything about yuri fans, so I wouldn't know tbhOf the two, my experience is that the yuri fandom is primarily occupied by the really annoying and overbearing type of feminists and is generally more sociopolitical and moral discourse oriented on all rungs. If you're stupid and think this is like lesbian porn but with anime, then by all means, go into that fandom and become a subhuman dog who is the very problem with human existence in their eyes. It *might* be the fandom I tend to turn the most defensive around when I find a fan of it, even though it's not especially talked about in comparison to fujos because they're less known and do less off-the-wall shit. Fujos are a mix of people like that and people who are intensely...uh, "fanon" oriented in the same vein as shippers and what have you with a bit of a degenerate twang thrown into the mix. I don't mind them but they also can be incredibly overbearing, with emphasis on ones who tend to turn basic moments of friendship or camaraderie into gay subtext, which seems to be very grasp-y at the best of times. I prefer fujos between the two because I've met really fandom-y ones who are super into their little niche and would probably leave people like me be to our own devices, whereas with yuri fans it feels like I wouldn't be able to talk to a single one I've seen without them being completely overbearing and obnoxious. |
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| @foxsuprise and @Manaban I consider my interest in yuri to be an extension of my general enjoyment of ecchi anime. I like moe style anime. But when I watched K-On I found myself feeling that moe without a sexual element is kind of boring to watch after awhile. I like animes like Sakura Trick and Kiss X Sis where the moe is sexualized. My favorite combination comes from the most intense mixture of cute, wholesome, and erotic. I don't know if I'd be considered a yuri fan, I've watched several yuri animes and I do like them a lot, but I don't participate in the fandom so to speak. I prefer yuri like NTR and Sakura Trick though and would not find yuri that couldn't double as an ecchi or a hentai to be very entertaining. |
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| @Sphinxter and @Alpha_Tranny The idea of rapey women just doesn't bother me. I'm attracted already to 75% of the female population and would not consider anything they do to be unwelcome. As for the other 25%, there's been some parties I went to where an unattractive girl pulled me in and started making out with me. I wouldn't consider it sexual assault although I'm sure many hardline rape culture advocates would. I consider myself to have been drunk with beer goggles and passively going along with it for a little bit before deciding not to. Would I make out with them again had I the option? No I wouldn't. Would I have made out with them had they not grabbed me? No I wouldn't have done that either. But it happened and I guess its a little nasty when I think about it but it didn't hurt me, I'm completely fine. I don't think its worth making an effort to prevent it and I'd rather let girls feel secure in the knowledge that I'm pretty much always DTF and don't mind girls making a move on me than make a big deal out of the few times where it wasn't 100% wanted and make girls anxious. |
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Ryuk9428 said: You are aware that 20% of the world is 12 or younger, and 22% is 50 or older, are you not? I am to conclude that you are at the very least a pædophile?@Sphinxter and @Alpha_Tranny The idea of rapey women just doesn't bother me. I'm attracted already to 75% of the female population and would not consider anything they do to be unwelcome. I think you have quite the romantic view of what the average female looks like. Regardless, this isn't much about you; this is about the argument of "yaoi" supposedly being oh-so-rapey compared to other pairings is simply not true. |
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Sphinxter said: Ryuk9428 said: You are aware that 20% of the world is 12 or younger, and 22% is 50 or older, are you not? I am to conclude that you are at the very least a pædophile?@Sphinxter and @Alpha_Tranny The idea of rapey women just doesn't bother me. I'm attracted already to 75% of the female population and would not consider anything they do to be unwelcome. I think you have quite the romantic view of what the average female looks like. Regardless, this isn't much about you; this is about the argument of "yaoi" supposedly being oh-so-rapey compared to other pairings is simply not true. Silly Sphinxter. 75% in the teenage and 20 something age range. |
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Ryuk9428 said: Ahh, so 75% suddenly dropped to 10-15%. I would assume that you will also add the further criterion that your rapist not look like this, in the appropriate age range:Sphinxter said: You are aware that 20% of the world is 12 or younger, and 22% is 50 or older, are you not? I am to conclude that you are at the very least a pædophile? I think you have quite the romantic view of what the average female looks like. Regardless, this isn't much about you; this is about the argument of "yaoi" supposedly being oh-so-rapey compared to other pairings is simply not true. Silly Sphinxter. 75% in the teenage and 20 something age range.  As a very large portion of the teenage-to-twenties females on the planet of course does. Also, of course, imagine that most unwanted rape is indeed by far older persons. You are in your head when someone talks about you being raped by a female constructing a scenario already where said female meets many criteria that would make him desirable for you including quite a narrow age range — one rarely has the luxury to choose one's rapist so specifically. |
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Sphinxter said: Ahh, so 75% suddenly dropped to 10-15%. I would assume that you will also add the further criterion that your rapist not look like this, in the appropriate age range: As a very large portion of the teenage-to-twenties females on the planet of course does. Also, of course, imagine that most unwanted rape is indeed by far older persons. You are in your head when someone talks about you being raped by a female constructing a scenario already where said female meets many criteria that would make him desirable for you including quite a narrow age range — one rarely has the luxury to choose one's rapist so specifically. I didn't say the rapist was gonna be desirable. I just meant that I consider 75% of girls in that age range to be attractive so it wouldn't be rape. And the percentage doesn't go down to zero with 30 something year old women, its more like it goes from 75% to like 60%. The person in your photo is alright. Not ugly, not particularly attractive. But, she's reasonably good looking. I'd be fine with having sex with her. |
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Ryuk9428 said: That is great to know, because it's a male — I assume you still stand by your supposed heterosexuality?Sphinxter said: Ahh, so 75% suddenly dropped to 10-15%. I would assume that you will also add the further criterion that your rapist not look like this, in the appropriate age range: As a very large portion of the teenage-to-twenties females on the planet of course does. Also, of course, imagine that most unwanted rape is indeed by far older persons. You are in your head when someone talks about you being raped by a female constructing a scenario already where said female meets many criteria that would make him desirable for you including quite a narrow age range — one rarely has the luxury to choose one's rapist so specifically. I didn't say the rapist was gonna be desirable. I just meant that I consider 75% of girls in that age range to be attractive so it wouldn't be rape. And the percentage doesn't go down to zero with 30 something year old women, its more like it goes from 75% to like 60%. The person in your photo is alright. Not ugly, not particularly attractive. But, she's reasonably good looking. I'd be fine with having sex with her. |
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| I agree with your definitions. As somebody that is female and into both BL and GL (primarily bl) the people that are in these communities are very diverse and i guess you can say the same about any genre honestly. But ive noticed political correctness has leaked into both of the 2 genres not just GL. For Boyslove/Yaoi/Shounen ai people do like to look down and talk rude about people that enjoy the bl genre under the belief that it is objectifying gay males for entertainment. Now I honestly dont take this that seriously because the same argument could be made against any media that involves a certain sexual orientation including straight relationships. But there are lots of people , Mainly 12-16 year olds that do act very obnoxious about the genre. My take on that is when it comes down to any genre/fanbase/community there will always be the minority that acts crazy and whatnot. I do find with Boyslove it does get harsher treatment then girls love because people tend to automatically ask, Why? and so that turns you on? and get very personal and find it weird and think its automatically a fetish or what not ( thats just according to all my personal experiences as a female) and it does get very annoying because when i tell the same people im reading gl/yuri they dont even question it and find it cute?? like its a bad double standard. Like somebody mentioned before when I was skimming through the replies of this thread that males have normalized lesbian porn but when it comes to 2 males its a whole nother story which is sad but i dont know lol. I agree with the research you have done though about killing stalking and violent bl. When i was in high school girls wouldnt shut up about it. But i do know there are lots of "fujoshis" or just people in general that are not obsessed with the over sexual genre of boyslove, I reccomend looking into the whole Banana Fish community. Its one of the most tame wholesome communities ive ever seen for a super controversial manga/anime that has very touchy sensitive topics and underlining homo erotic relationships? idk the wording. Now onto Yuri/Girls Love, When I think of it I automatically think of the gems of the genre like Revolutionary Girl Utena. Sadly though nowadays its very hard to find a girls love anime/manga that isnt just sex. Most of all the yuri/gl anime i see most of the new animes nowadays are all just fanservice. For example: Citrus, Netsuzou trap, Valkyrie Drive. But The amount of animes released for yuri/girlslove that are regular and have plots that dont revolve on fanservice overwelm the ones the yaoi/bl have. I honestly have found more political people embracing yuri/gl especially on tumblr/instagram then ones going against it. But that doesnt mean its not happening. Okay I think im going to stop talking now because I have no idea what im even trying to say anymore lol but in conclusion everyone has different morals and values and seeing how they all play into different genres can be interesting to look into. Also this is all my own opinion and i dont mean to offend anyone. |
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Sphinxter said: Ryuk9428 said: That is great to know, because it's a male — I assume you still stand by your supposed heterosexuality?I didn't say the rapist was gonna be desirable. I just meant that I consider 75% of girls in that age range to be attractive so it wouldn't be rape. And the percentage doesn't go down to zero with 30 something year old women, its more like it goes from 75% to like 60%. The person in your photo is alright. Not ugly, not particularly attractive. But, she's reasonably good looking. I'd be fine with having sex with her. That person isn't a man. Character limit. |
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Trypo said: The characters in b.l. are rarely "gay" to begin with. Homoerotica has existed long ere this western fad of "sexual orientations" appropriated it, and it will exist long past it's death.people do like to look down and talk rude about people that enjoy the bl genre under the belief that it is objectifying gay males for entertainment. For whatever reason when male–male romance is shown, many immediately cling to "gay", even when both of the males have been shown to also have enjoyed male–female romantic entanglement — even if one believes in these præposterous "sexual orientation"labels, one must still concede that more males "identify" as "bisexual" than "homosexual", despite the seemingly staunch denial of the very existence of "male bisexuality" by many that claim to be so upset about such "objectification". And again, I reject these so-called sexual orientations as a concept; I believe I have adequately demonstrated in this very thread that @Ryuk9428 — a staunch believer in the concept — is not even capable of differentiating a male from a female face when the social gender markings thereon he is used to disappear. Indeed, he cannot even see whether the face of a bald human, that clearly shows a somewhat masculinized hairline though the head is shaven, that is bereft of the type of makeup commonly used to indicate so-called "gender" in his culture, is male or female — how am I supposed to believe in his so-called "sexual orientation" at that point? In particular where it concern drawings, the "genders" of most of these characters are as I said little more than hairstyles and uniforms with both male and female characters having the exact same genders. The almighty "gender" in cartoon characters is often naught more than this:  Clothing and makeup — nothing more. But there are lots of people , Mainly 12-16 year olds that do act very obnoxious about the genre. And you verified their ages? Or their age is just your conjecture?I do find with Boyslove it does get harsher treatment then girls love because people tend to automatically ask, Why? and so that turns you on? and get very personal and find it weird and think its automatically a fetish or what not ( thats just according to all my personal experiences as a female) "Fetish" is nothing more than a fancy term for "sexual interest in that which is socially unconventional". |
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Trypo said: I agree with your definitions. As somebody that is female and into both BL and GL (primarily bl) the people that are in these communities are very diverse and i guess you can say the same about any genre honestly. But ive noticed political correctness has leaked into both of the 2 genres not just GL. For Boyslove/Yaoi/Shounen ai people do like to look down and talk rude about people that enjoy the bl genre under the belief that it is objectifying gay males for entertainment. Now I honestly dont take this that seriously because the same argument could be made against any media that involves a certain sexual orientation including straight relationships. But there are lots of people , Mainly 12-16 year olds that do act very obnoxious about the genre. My take on that is when it comes down to any genre/fanbase/community there will always be the minority that acts crazy and whatnot. I do find with Boyslove it does get harsher treatment then girls love because people tend to automatically ask, Why? and so that turns you on? and get very personal and find it weird and think its automatically a fetish or what not ( thats just according to all my personal experiences as a female) and it does get very annoying because when i tell the same people im reading gl/yuri they dont even question it and find it cute?? like its a bad double standard. Like somebody mentioned before when I was skimming through the replies of this thread that males have normalized lesbian porn but when it comes to 2 males its a whole nother story which is sad but i dont know lol. I agree with the research you have done though about killing stalking and violent bl. When i was in high school girls wouldnt shut up about it. But i do know there are lots of "fujoshis" or just people in general that are not obsessed with the over sexual genre of boyslove, I reccomend looking into the whole Banana Fish community. Its one of the most tame wholesome communities ive ever seen for a super controversial manga/anime that has very touchy sensitive topics and underlining homo erotic relationships? idk the wording. Now onto Yuri/Girls Love, When I think of it I automatically think of the gems of the genre like Revolutionary Girl Utena. Sadly though nowadays its very hard to find a girls love anime/manga that isnt just sex. Most of all the yuri/gl anime i see most of the new animes nowadays are all just fanservice. For example: Citrus, Netsuzou trap, Valkyrie Drive. But The amount of animes released for yuri/girlslove that are regular and have plots that dont revolve on fanservice overwelm the ones the yaoi/bl have. I honestly have found more political people embracing yuri/gl especially on tumblr/instagram then ones going against it. But that doesnt mean its not happening. Okay I think im going to stop talking now because I have no idea what im even trying to say anymore lol but in conclusion everyone has different morals and values and seeing how they all play into different genres can be interesting to look into. Also this is all my own opinion and i dont mean to offend anyone. One thing I didn't touch that I'm glad you did is the wider interpretations the anime community has on these sub groups. There is a vitriol or distaste for BL that the anime community has. At first I would think the anime community being mostly male would be a part of it except for the fact the anime community is pretty even when it comes to gender. Maybe it has something to do with the vocal minority of fujoshis. They too have turned me away from saying I like BL stuff. The whole political correctness bleeding in is also worrysome. I dunno, I've never been one to see anything wrong with sexual objectification, especially with fiction. Like all art it has a place so those trying to get rid of that do rub me the wrong way. |
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Ryuk9428 said: Look at the chin and hairline — the hairline is still barely visible though it's shaven, and quite clearly shows a widow's peak.Sphinxter said: That is great to know, because it's a male — I assume you still stand by your supposed heterosexuality? That person isn't a man. Character limit. The truth of the matter is that when all Anglo-Saxon gendered makeup markers be removed, you have severe troubles seeing the difference between a male and a female head — your "heterosexuality" is little more than an attraction to certain styles of makeup, not actual skull structures. In any case: https://africa-diaries.blogspot.com/2012/03/men-in-red.html There's also a female example there, note the lack of widow's peaks in the hairline there. |
It is obvious that "obscenity" is not a term capable of exact legal definition; in the practice of the courts, it means "anything that shocks the magistrate". — Bertrand Russell |
Sphinxter said: Trypo said: The characters in b.l. are rarely "gay" to begin with. Homoerotica has existed long ere this western fad of "sexual orientations" appropriated it, and it will exist long past it's death.people do like to look down and talk rude about people that enjoy the bl genre under the belief that it is objectifying gay males for entertainment. For whatever reason when male–male romance is shown, many immediately cling to "gay", even when both of the males have been shown to also have enjoyed male–female romantic entanglement — even if one believes in these præposterous "sexual orientation"labels, one must still concede that more males "identify" as "bisexual" than "homosexual", despite the seemingly staunch denial of the very existence of "male bisexuality" by many that claim to be so upset about such "objectification". And again, I reject these so-called sexual orientations as a concept; I believe I have adequately demonstrated in this very thread that @Ryuk9428 — a staunch believer in the concept — is not even capable of differentiating a male from a female face when the social gender markings thereon he is used to disappear. Indeed, he cannot even see whether the face of a bald human, that clearly shows a somewhat masculinized hairline though the head is shaven, that is bereft of the type of makeup commonly used to indicate so-called "gender" in his culture, is male or female — how am I supposed to believe in his so-called "sexual orientation" at that point? In particular where it concern drawings, the "genders" of most of these characters are as I said little more than hairstyles and uniforms with both male and female characters having the exact same genders. The almighty "gender" in cartoon characters is often naught more than this: Clothing and makeup — nothing more. But there are lots of people , Mainly 12-16 year olds that do act very obnoxious about the genre. And you verified their ages? Or their age is just your conjecture?I do find with Boyslove it does get harsher treatment then girls love because people tend to automatically ask, Why? and so that turns you on? and get very personal and find it weird and think its automatically a fetish or what not ( thats just according to all my personal experiences as a female) "Fetish" is nothing more than a fancy term for "sexual interest in that which is socially unconventional".She's not a man. She's just not a particularly feminine looking woman. Its quite simple really. I'm significantly more aroused by a photo of a feminine girl than a girl who isn't. But I'm also sexually frustrated right now and not particularly picky. So even if a woman like this one wanted to fuck, I'd probably just go with it because why not? In the state I'm in at this moment, I'd probably fuck a robot. And not just an android that looks like a woman but an actual robot that looks like a robot. |
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Sphinxter said: Look at the chin and hairline — the hairline is still barely visible though it's shaven, and quite clearly shows a widow's peak. The truth of the matter is that when all Anglo-Saxon gendered makeup markers be removed, you have severe troubles seeing the difference between a male and a female head — your "heterosexuality" is little more than an attraction to certain styles of makeup, not actual skull structures. In any case: https://africa-diaries.blogspot.com/2012/03/men-in-red.html There's also a female example there, note the lack of widow's peaks in the hairline there. Okay maybe that person is a man. But I didn't actually feel anything. I looked at the photo, felt nothing but figured if there's a pussy down there then it can be fucked. To put it bluntly. You can't really be bisexual if you don't feel anything when you look at men. Like I said in another post, I could fuck a robot. Wouldn't be the euphoric experience I get when I fuck a girl, but I could do it. I could close my eyes and pretend that a long blonde haired cheerleader is riding me. My main point was simply that I'm not all that concerned about it because it wouldn't be a huge bother to me if a girl acted rapey even if I wasn't attracted to them. When I was 14, some random girl in my class grabbed my ass. She wasn't attractive at all, she was an obese girl with unflattering facial features. Was it pleasant? No. But I walked away from it and idk it just didn't bother me all that much. Nobody can really quantify how much pain someone else is going through. Maybe for another person, it is really bothersome. But in my personal case, it just seemed like a mild irritation. Like the equivalent of standing in line too long. |
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| The Killing Stalking fandom fucking disturbs the living shit out of me. I read 10 chapters or so thinking it was a really good horror thriller only to find that the fans LOVE that shit. This has nothing to do with your thread ofc tho. Just wanted to say. Uh idk I guess you're probably right. |
| *Yuri fans tend to be homophobic against male homosexuality (not all but a vocal minority) *Fujoshis tend to be creepy (not all but a vocal minority) |
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| I've always thought most of the fans of either of those are messing around. A lot of girls are into yaoi while guys are into yuri and most of them just like to watch cool guys/cute girls together. There are some true fans but they are the minority. |
| Both communities seem to like rapey charactery and extremely uncomfortable relationship dynamics and character interactions to a much higher degree than any other fandom I've encountered. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Pullman said: Both communities seem to like rapey charactery and extremely uncomfortable relationship dynamics and character interactions to a much higher degree than any other fandom I've encountered. I know, isn't it a great magical thing? |
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foxsuprise said: Manaban said: Of the two, my experience is that the yuri fandom is primarily occupied by the really annoying and overbearing type of feminists and is generally more sociopolitical and moral discourse oriented on all rungs. If you're stupid and think this is like lesbian porn but with anime, then by all means, go into that fandom and become a subhuman dog who is the very problem with human existence in their eyes. It *might* be the fandom I tend to turn the most defensive around when I find a fan of it, even though it's not especially talked about in comparison to fujos because they're less known and do less off-the-wall shit. I dislike how heavily it's used to further personal politics within this fandom, and I *intensely* dislike what I see as an high degree of prudishness and moral authoritarianism that dominates a lot of the consensus of that fandom. oh my god I know how you feel, thought I was the only one who noticed! I've been consuming yuri on and off for almost as much time as I've been an anime fan, and it's only somewhat recently that this has been such a problem. About a decade or so ago, I've started reading yuri through touhou doujins, and let me tell you, the atmosphere was a lot more different from now. There were tons of translated works that had dubcon and very sexualized girls which I enjoyed. People cared more about its overseas gaming distribution than putting characters down for not having a positive relationship. But now, people reeeeaaaally care about """pure""" relationships, which was memed to stuff like "yuri is the purest form of love". This then devolved to political discussions like "you're not an ally for supporting such works that depict *gasp!* less-than-a-squiky-clean main-character morality!" It's the absolute worst when people try to stand up for fictional depictions of relationship of all places. I left the fandom because I really can't stand this sort of thinking, and also because I generally get bored of people having (what I'd like to call) a coffeeshop AU mindset/hivemind. Unfortunately, BL as of late has also been infected with these sort of people, who are weirdest shade of anti-fujos I've seen ("I'm a horny ally, unlike those other horny un-allies!"). But they seem to shot themselves in the foot because original creators and JP man actually don't think the same way they do about fujos. So...yeah. A little heated, I apologize, but I needed to take this off my chest. 'eeeey same here. I have been into gay shit (BL/ML/GL also western and all that slash culture) for about 10 years or so, time when Livejournal was a thing. I do remember there were people who talked more about social and cultural stuff about these works, but those people still could lay off time to time and as for GL they still read/watched stuff that was primarily for straight men. Usually these days yuri fans act like twitter users, either complaining some fandom doesn't appreciate femslash, start shipwars if someone ships their "lesbian bby" with a dude, call you gross if you're dude into lesbian porn and if you're a gal into yaoi and ship some ikemen together you're also gross. Which lead to people trying to "justify" their porn and ships (and other half being over protective over them), so we get those same coffeeshop/collegestudent AUs because they're wholesome or something. I haven't left fandom really I'm just passive, letting teenagers go about their dramas and try to find stuff to my taste. On a side note compared to Yuri fans that these days have separated from male fans more or less, yaoi fans are more into gay manga/bara and western gay comics than before so you can easily find muscular hairy men boning each other on yaoi sites. |
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| The obsession and distaste for these "fandoms" from the rest of anime fans have is utterly bizarre given how many of them tend to beat off to little sister hentai, straight up lolicon or throw fit every time a girl in an anime or manga isn't a virgin. >"Fujoshi are bad because some works have rape (I don't even read BL btw, but I just know), now please let me rate 10 this LN featuring a love interest who is 10 years old" Okay then. |
| I have quite a few thoughts about this and maybe I should make a big post about it in my aniblog lol. So once upon a time I was a wee girl into romance shoujo manga and so I stumbled upon the world of yuri manga. Reading it, there was mostly no porn, maybe some naked bodies at most, and lotsa fluff. I found it as enjoyable as straight romance shoujo and would read like the stuff lililicious would release. Marimite yknow. My female friends were clueless. They liked yaoi. Stuff like Gravitation or Loveless or Yami no Matsuei ... All had rapey elements so I was pretty Ew about it. Also the fans were oblivious to the problems with it being rapey so I thought they were retards and in turn they seemed to play along and gushgush harder One fine day I fell in love with this shoujo anime called Ouran Host Club which had a male harem and played female otaku shoujo and fujoshi tropes so of course the fandom loved shipping dudes. I loved this dude but it was easier to find shippy stuff of him with another dude than the female mc. At the same time I think I was watching some crossdressing anime, and one thing led to another and before I knew it a friend came home and literally forced me to watch a whole episode of Gravitation. And... It wasn't terrible. It wasn't ... As explicitly rapey as it sounded by just hearing about it or reading synopsis. You blinked and the rape wouldn't be there. And that's how a new world of possibilities opened up. See. I like romance. Any good romance. The kind that is believable and not just thrown in for boners or cuties. I guess this is where I wanted to get. First common misconception: Yuri isn't the counterpart to yaoi and GL isn't the counterpart to BL. I know, I own magazines. You skim through a yurihime and the most objectionable thing are two naked girls embracing. You skim through a dear plus or a be boy gold or any other bl magazine and sue me if you don't see at least three explicit gay sex scenes from three different series. It's to such an extent that certain works dad to suck - and by certain I mean Ten Count - because the editors didn't want the author to be doing the sappy lovey stuff any longer. They had to get to the good part. Aka the sex. Fuck plot. Literally. Of course not all magazines are like that but it IS the popular trend. So you will find GL that is not all about purity in seinen or hentai magazines. But it's handdrawn lesbian porn, it's not really yuri. White yaoi that isn't explicit ... Can be called yaoi but it may well be published in shoujo or josei magazines too. So naturally you will have many fujoshi who have a "whatever, its just fapping" attitude and many yurifags who are all PURE LESBIANS!! on their preferences because they get off to cute shit or whatever. Also of course there is a whole layer of gendered social aspects to it: desirable men should be rough and desirable women should be cute. So yurifags are probably not trying to be moralists - they just want to keep the purity aspect of the fantasy that their niche promotes and can go out of their ways to make it clear that they like yuri and not lesbian porn. I can't say a lot because I'm no yurifag. Also I feel that ever since fujoshis became a thing the yuri fandom (which in the 90s was probably like the same as romance shoujo fandom and probably 99% females) caught attention of males and had this shift along with magical girls from a female demography to a male one and thus has a lot more "male gaze" now, ie. Male writers. It's often a subtle thing but you can tell they grew up not with shoujo romance but with shounen romance, or that they are catering to a male audience. It's just different so I haven't been reaaally interested in yuri in a while. But I have this feeling that as the fans shifted to mostly male the fandom culture shifted to a fantasy of ... You know, lesbians as this ethereal pure unreachable thing. While before I think it was more generic shoujo vibes as in Profound Love Sees No Gender etc. On the other hand I still read a lot of BL because it still has the shoujo romance vibes when there's romance at all. It's literally porn with plot. But then as the fandom is mostly female I think there is a collective fantasy aspect of breaking down the bad!!!!! Macho!!!!! Image by having bad machos be sappy to one another and Not Resist Urges which is why I guess the gangsters and rapey types are more popular than the sugary slice of life ones in general. Because the sugary slice of life are nothing but shoujo/josei with two guys. This was super long and I ain't even sure I could ... Express my point. My point being - yuri and yaoi are intrinsically different not because of genders of characters but because of gendered cultures involved. Regardless you can like both plotwise if you like romance, because although there are different trends and you'll probably find one or the other more attractive, the trend you like can certainly be found in the other in rarer cases. Also, it's all just romance. Although admittedly yaoi is porney. Thanks for coming to my TEDtalk. Edit I forgot to mention one thing about how mahou shoujo and yuri shifted demographics around the same decade. That was after Utena and Sailor Moon I believe. And of course we had Nanoha and probably others. I can't remember but I believe the two were historically tied. Just like fujoshi suddenly love sports anime but it's a thing that grew from like, Tenipuri to Oofuri and the likes to Yowapeda and Free and KnK etc before reaching YoI levels ; like mecha was fujotrendy before. |
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