I love the social media mod who emphasised "another" in this tweet about Isekai anime

Deknijff said:
Eh I mean the concept of Isekai is several decades old if not centuries and you only now started to think its getting old?

zal said:
Fantasy were already very popular but isekai are easier because offer on a silver plate the excuse for infodumping and introducing the world to a newcomer and relatable character who feels as alien to the new world as we do.

The issue is not the isekai on itself but it being light novel (more amateurish authors) and the target audience.

Kenny_Stryker said:


Despite that, it has only become trending in past few years. So I believe it's still a little early to call it 'old'.

It's literally just another word for fantasy with the only difference being that the main character started off in the real world and five minutes later they are in another world for the entirety of the anime.

Jare4lopez said:
Yep , it'll be interesting to see what new trend appears after isekai dies completely(if)

Xaelath said:

Abit of later maybe in 2020 a new trend will come out.

Whatever that is it would be targeted on younger audience then spread to young adult until it gets popular so the other author start ending their LN and start following the same trends.

Very typical.

I don't have right to say it but most of Isekai readers or those who looks forward to it are braindead people.
I am not saying all but it's basically is.

Escapism because people want they want to be overpowered, loved by harem, start other life as a better person but done wrong because Isekai story basically make it even worse than teaching life lesson.

Or perhaps they want to slumber then wanders on MMORPG type of isekai because you know "Real life" sucks.
Remember why Log Horizon were great again?
They face those issues, they presented​ the problems, not escapism.

Well that said this doesn't even tell us about the technical quality of the story.
It's fine to be a Happy go Lucky or something like Shounen story but isekai in other hand tried to be nothing, there's no explanation for the world it self, there's no background for the character on the story, there's nothing to be told.

Yes it wasn't all isekai but majority is.
Have Death march and Smartphone isekai doesn't teach people a lesson already?
I know some said it might be a bad adaptation but the way the story told is ugh, no.
Shame.

I heard few comments from above that Isekai was already a thing in past , Inuyasha basically an Isekai but the story fleshed differently, or something like from Western , Alice in the Wonderland.

It's written properly, it gave the readers or watchers imaginations.
Not dumbed down characters because "I have Overpowered Characters, bow down to me peasants, hurr durr".
Exactly, plot convince combined with asspull literally make most isekai story wrong.

See that tittle, "oops I have cheat, now fuck off will ya".
Well still would watch though, see if it would go beyond my expectations.

changelog_ said:
It's literally just another word for fantasy with the only difference being that the main character started off in the real world and five minutes later they are in another world for the entirety of the anime.

ItsXolo said:

I'm cracking up right at a shonen watcher accusing another group of people of being braindead. Yikes.

Xaelath said:

Your argument is even more brain dead.
It's wasn't about accusing its about the genre itself.

Shounen do have some issues but not the the point it was exploited and made so obvious it's generic.
And i am pretty sure my favorites doesn't even have shounen with the brain dead type of the story.

Aren't you the type of guy who generalise everything before checking out the fact?

I did watch Isekai and Shounen even read some in last and current but that doesn't mean i was braindead, so those who are reading it but i said majority who does who look up, follow, defends the fact when argument thrown are indeed, retarded. Like you.

Well that said it's rather amusing that people like you still exist around here.

Wait i think we should make a way that anyone that have read or watch shounen is braindead.
Man that would be fucking great.

I find it quite ironic because on of the greatest anime FMA is a Shounen.
Then again where did i implies shounen are braindead?
I only said it could be like Shounen, typical adventure, fight , enemies wohoo.
Or perhaps becoming a happy go lucky adventure like a slice of life focused, comedy as an example Konosuba which one of the famous Isekai.

That's why i said not all but majority.
Ofc shounen at current state is questionable, things like Fairy Tail or Nanatsu no Taizai, man it's hard to watch it. I do still watch Nanatsu though because of the story and weird design.

I remember walking up to a death march forum a man pissed why Wyvern doesn't look like what he saw in Manga, meanwhile it does actually look like one and the Manga one looks like a fking dinosaurs lmao.
Or was it the fact that every people would hit any kind of isekai as long you have this harem/Overpowered/reincarnated formula, and the story unfolds like a typical Isekai I guess, man save the bitch, man is overpowered, man reincarnated, so strong, save the world , gg ez.
Fuck me.

ItsXolo said:

Shows like Naruto, Bleach, and Boku no Hero Academy are atrociously bad, and nobody with an IQ over 70 would be willing to watching thousands of episodes of them like you do. Like I understand that the average Isekai isn't very groundbreaking or well written, but to consider something like fucking Naruto a 9/10 time anime, while talking from a point of condescension towards others is absolutely hilarious shows a complete lack of self awareness.

Xaelath said:

Those two doesn't have thousand of episodes..
You're exaggerating.
There's in line between enjoyment and technical quality, i gave Fate Apocrypha 10/10 despite knowing how bad it was and clusterfuck story i know that, yet i enjoyed it because I like some character, some last few fight were amazing least for me even Gigguk said so though again people's would care if who is who again?

I know the anime was bad at least gave us a good ending which to shows appreciation after years of following it, tbh i don't even watch the anime after a certain arc because i only did was read the Manga. It was a great story , no dumbed down characters, memorable fight, original skills, character development, though in the end people have mixed feelings with asspull power or Overpowered as fuck.

I don't really read bleach, neither attempt to watch it, maybe i did tag something there i don't know i don't care.

BnHA otherwise have these vibes that similiar to Naruto start out simple give a similiar target like a "typical shounen would" despite his limitations he inherit one of the powerful quirk.

I don't felt like it's bad, why would it be bad? Does it looks bad? The fans sure some weird or retarded, even in reddit BnHA was taken down due some vulgar stuff though i never knew or care because i just got the information.
It's definitely better than Fairy tail or Nanatsu no Taizai.
Why is that? Nanatsu no Taizai main problems is when the story could explain straight they didn't, characters are dumbed down, they're strong but treated like shit i remember making complain thread about it.
And these fairy tail.. is just downright dumb. Nakama Power everywhere.

Before we talk about the "Fans" why don't we "Discuss" about the anime/Manga itself.

And oh god i cant believe someone did hate BnHA because it was "Bad" , you're exactly how SAO hater likes but when asked why it was bad, are there reason why it's popular why it has a good ideas in the beginning but done wrong , don't know the answer for it.
Might as well facepalm now.

I hate talking to a retarded, might as well talks to a wall.

Hello wall, man you're looking smooth as fuck today. Oh no you're cold, need some heater? I know it's a rainy days but we got to deal with it. Be strong wall, we need you.

ItsXolo said:

There are a lot of things that make Shonen Jump shit bad.

Every modern Jump shonen runs on the exact same conveyor belt formula of predictable character arcs that always start, progress, and end the exact same way.

First a character is introduced as a cool and capable badass. After a few episodes, it turns out this cool and capable badass actually has some baggage shown in a flashback from his childhood. "I'm not good at relying on others", "I don't believe in myself", "I've got problems with my parents" etc. The specific baggage they have differs from character to character but it's largely irrelevant to how the character arc goes.

Eventually this character will be put up against a wall, and the only way out is to mentally overcome the baggage that has been presented. There will be a big epic 'hype' action scene where the character explicitly narrates himself overcoming his problem, while various flashbacks are presented to remind the viewer that this is the part where character development happens. "I've never been able to get along with others. I thought I was better than them. But now I see it. I was wrong. I have to let go of the past and look to the future." It all climaxes with one big moment where the music stops, the character yells out his special attack "CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT PUUUUUUUUUUNCH!!!". The silence stays for a few moments, followed by the crowd cheering or whatever big noise is applicable in the context. Bring the next character off the conveyor belt, rinse and repeat over the next episode or two.

Naruto, Kuroko, BnHA, Haikyuu, Soma, and basically every other battle or sports show that started publishing in Jump post-2000 follows this exact formula to a T with no variation whatsoever. If you've seen a single character arc in any of these shows, you've basically seen the entirety of all of them. It's creatively bankrupt, and it's as if you could use a computer program to generate these arcs just by filling in the boxes and clicking 'Generate Character Arc'.

Shonen Jump authors aren't interested in telling stories, they're interested in remaining serialized. They do whatever they can to keep their manga going as long as possible so that they can keep cashing those sweet Shonen Jump paychecks, and hopefully build a franchise from which they can live off of merchandise royalties for the rest of their lives. That's why they all do these same stupid repetitive character arcs. It's a simple and straightforward way to keep your manga going without ever having to challenge yourself or write something unconventional. It just writes itself, can go on forever, and lets you remain serialized as long as possible. When Urobuchi wrote Madoka, he had a specific story he wanted to tell, so he wrote that story to be only as long as it needed to be, and then afterwards he went on to do other things and write other stories. That's how good stories are built. A desire to tell a story, rather than a desire to remain serialized.

That all just scratches the surface of one of the many things that make shonen so bad. I could write another dozen paragraphs about badly shonen violates the "Show, don't tell" principle, but if you're dumb enough to watch 700 episodes of Naruto and give it a 9/10, then you're dumb enough that you're not going to care anyway.

Zakuen said:
Isekai is only getting old for the western consumers.

Japan loves it because it gives an imaginary and unrealistic but larger than life element to a story that panders no-life otakus with a sad reality and hopeless perspective on society that they're trapped into there that they crave to escape said reality and perspective of their lives.

Isekai is only needed when the consumer couldn't relate to a character in any other way, this is what Overlord does. We can't relate to an evil undead king that kills people so he's given a background of formerly being a human.

ItsXolo said:

There are a lot of things that make Shonen Jump shit bad.

Every modern Jump shonen runs on the exact same conveyor belt formula of predictable character arcs that always start, progress, and end the exact same way.

First a character is introduced as a cool and capable badass. After a few episodes, it turns out this cool and capable badass actually has some baggage shown in a flashback from his childhood. "I'm not good at relying on others", "I don't believe in myself", "I've got problems with my parents" etc. The specific baggage they have differs from character to character but it's largely irrelevant to how the character arc goes.

Eventually this character will be put up against a wall, and the only way out is to mentally overcome the baggage that has been presented. There will be a big epic 'hype' action scene where the character explicitly narrates himself overcoming his problem, while various flashbacks are presented to remind the viewer that this is the part where character development happens. "I've never been able to get along with others. I thought I was better than them. But now I see it. I was wrong. I have to let go of the past and look to the future." It all climaxes with one big moment where the music stops, the character yells out his special attack "CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT PUUUUUUUUUUNCH!!!". The silence stays for a few moments, followed by the crowd cheering or whatever big noise is applicable in the context. Bring the next character off the conveyor belt, rinse and repeat over the next episode or two.

Naruto, Kuroko, BnHA, Haikyuu, Soma, and basically every other battle or sports show that started publishing in Jump post-2000 follows this exact formula to a T with no variation whatsoever. If you've seen a single character arc in any of these shows, you've basically seen the entirety of all of them. It's creatively bankrupt, and it's as if you could use a computer program to generate these arcs just by filling in the boxes and clicking 'Generate Character Arc'.

Shonen Jump authors aren't interested in telling stories, they're interested in remaining serialized. They do whatever they can to keep their manga going as long as possible so that they can keep cashing those sweet Shonen Jump paychecks, and hopefully build a franchise from which they can live off of merchandise royalties for the rest of their lives. That's why they all do these same stupid repetitive character arcs. It's a simple and straightforward way to keep your manga going without ever having to challenge yourself or write something unconventional. It just writes itself, can go on forever, and lets you remain serialized as long as possible. When Urobuchi wrote Madoka, he had a specific story he wanted to tell, so he wrote that story to be only as long as it needed to be, and then afterwards he went on to do other things and write other stories. That's how good stories are built. A desire to tell a story, rather than a desire to remain serialized.

That all just scratches the surface of one of the many things that make shonen so bad. I could write another dozen paragraphs about badly shonen violates the "Show, don't tell" principle, but if you're dumb enough to watch 700 episodes of Naruto and give it a 9/10, then you're dumb enough that you're not going to care anyway.

SuperRed said:


I don't even like Naruto but if you think that in 700 episodes it only has to offer what you described and never once did anything right or exciting then you are the dumb one here.

Compare the plot of Zabuza arc, the Chuunin exams+Konoha invasion, the Itachi arc, the Pain arc, etc, and you'll notice the difference in writing and themes.

And lol at using Urobuchi as a comparison, the guy who spent a large of his career writing porn games where extreme horror and shock value are the main appeal.

Rock Lee alone is a better character than anyone from Madoka Magica.

umashikaneko said:
Isekai genre is extremely popular on the western fan site such as MAL or Chrunchy roll if you look at sheer viewership or member number though.Some people who say isekai is not popular among western fans are fooled by hate comments.
I'm talking about among equally popular materials in Japan, isekai genre tends to have a lot larger viewership on western sites like MAL or crunchy roll than other genres.

The ones actually not popular among western fans are the ones which are rarely talked about here.
Look at Gurazeni the baseball seinen manga adaptation of this season for example. It is 150k copies per volume series in Japan which is one of the popular source material for a late-night anime but few people watch it here and only have about 5k members.

Even obscure isekai LN adaptations that selling less than 10k copies per volume have at least 20k members here.

YorukaWaifu said:


The japanese twitter account of Gurazeni anime has less than 1000 followers whereas the account of a "obscure" isekai adaptation like Isekai Smartphone have more than 20000.

And "obscure" isekai LNs like Isekai Maou have sold more than one million copies and Isekai Cheat Magician more than 850k.