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| Fight scenes were short but the overall direction we're heading wasn't TOO bad... We got some exposition of how everyone and their uncle think this Holy Grail war is strange as fook compared with previous ones. We got some battles between Fran-chan and Nyanta, as well as with Achilles and Chiron. Then of course we had Vlad literally impaling Spartacus for fun. And finally we have Seig finally meeting Jeanne, which I guess will finally kickstart the story as it should. Lack of Mo-Chan this episode was a bit disappointing though. |
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ErwinJA said: mira-pyon said: This theory, however, is negated by the fact that most spirits have multiple class options. In reality, there's a base formed by the character, and their various stats are either boosted or diminished based on the class. As such, class can make a big difference, everything else being equal.Please don't use FGO class triangles to talk about actual servant interaction. Berserkers tend to be OP because they have Mad Enhancement. Sabers are just considered to be in the best class in general - realistically, this is probably due to the popularity of swordsmen in history and myth, or some bullshit like that, and popularity affects a Servant's OP-ness. And the only OP Archer we've seen in Fate so far is Goldy, who is barely an Archer. Sabers are considered the "best" because they get the most well rounded class bonuses (that and plot armor). They don't. The only 'class bonuses' they get are Riding and Magic Resistance and those skills are pretty low-level if one didn't already use something similar in life. According to the material books, Sabers need high attributes/stats all-round, in addition to sword skills, to be considered a Saber, anyway. This isn't in effect with other classes. Apart from that, we know they're the best, at least in the Fuyuku wars, because they've always come out on top. Berserkers appear OP because of their excellent physical stats, but they're actually weaker overall than they appear. Well yes, hence the 'tend' in my answer. FSN Berserker, for example, had his physical stats boosted to god tier (pun not intended) due to mad enhancement, but actually lost several noble phantasms due to that very ability's drawbacks. IIRC, his optimal class was stated as being Archer, which gives him the best overall combination of bonuses. But he's an extreme case on both ends. Berserker of Black, on the other hand, actually has less-than-stellar physical stats, so even with mad enhancement, she's still not not even in the top 5 physical combatants in this war. Combine that with a noble phantasm that's unlikely to take out another servant without suiciding, and she's actually a relatively weak servant. It's outright stated that she'd be hard pressed to win a normal war without significant external support. I honestly don't see why you felt the need to explain something which didn't need explaining. All you've said are useless things which I already know or are simply wrong. I'd understand if you thought I was clueless. But I'm not. So my apologies for making you waste your time. |
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emi1998 said: I'm more familiar with eastern mythology rather than western one.uhm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chiron How can you people enjoy Fate without knowing any mythology. He was his teacher. Thank for the link anyway. |
ZBlastHistory said: Lolimancer said: The strongest in Extra is technically a secret boss, or the final boss. Either way the strongest in both those games is a spoiler and not one of the original 7 classes. I am talking about talking about why only Saber/Archer/Berserker allowed to have "full power" of heroic spirit They're not, though. And they don't. |
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| This is starting to feel more and more like a Fate anime where they've traded away the quality for quantity Way too many Servants, way too little reason to care about any of them so far. So hard to feel anything for these fights; too rushed :/ PS: If only heart transplants were that easy to pull off |
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katsu044 said: goodbye siegfried for now?.. he didn't deserve the hate the memes and the cruse of being unlucky with his chosen master. power strengths are hard to make out lol 1 star berserker holding his ground and this rider i've never seen before is able to take on two servants at once good on Astolfo for sticking his own Principles Siegfried(Sumanai-kun)gets the hate memes becase of his shit stats in F/GO. Another reason is that when you summoned a gold saber card in F/GO, you thought that it's going to be a 5* saber then suddenly SUMANAI |
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mira-pyon said: They don't. The only 'class bonuses' they get are Riding and Magic Resistance and those skills are pretty low-level if one didn't already use something similar in life. According to the material books, Sabers need high attributes/stats all-round, in addition to sword skills, to be considered a Saber, anyway. This isn't in effect with other classes. Apart from that, we know they're the best, at least in the Fuyuku wars, because they've always come out on top. Well technically class affects which aspects of heroic spirit materialize so that sort of counts as "bonus" - Sabers are designed to make full use of their stats and close combat, Archers are all around utility and tactical combat, Lancers all about speed and efficient and fast close combat, Riders are about huge damage and speed, Assassins are about targeting masters and one-hit-kills, Casters are weak in combat but have full use of their magic capabilities and Berserkers are basically any servant buffed in stats at cost of their intelligence and sanity. But again yeah that has nothing to do with actual classes and more with heroic spirits themselves since no heroic spirit is all-around perfect and all have their weak points - a heroic spirit can be weaker in one class than in other due to that, but thats not something a class decides and not some class bonus. FSN Berserker, for example, had his physical stats boosted to god tier (pun not intended) due to mad enhancement, but actually lost several noble phantasms due to that very ability's drawbacks. IIRC, his optimal class was stated as being Archer, which gives him the best overall combination of bonuses. But he's an extreme case on both ends. Berserker of Black, on the other hand, actually has less-than-stellar physical stats, so even with mad enhancement, she's still not not even in the top 5 physical combatants in this war. Combine that with a noble phantasm that's unlikely to take out another servant without suiciding, and she's actually a relatively weak servant. It's outright stated that she'd be hard pressed to win a normal war without significant external support. I honestly don't see why you felt the need to explain something which didn't need explaining. All you've said are useless things which I already know or are simply wrong. I'd understand if you thought I was clueless. But I'm not. So my apologies for making you waste your time. He's also wrong there since FSN berserker would be Stronger in other classes NOT because of some silly "class bonuses", but because he's such a damn powerful heroic spirit and Berserker class madness limits his options Berserkers CAN be self destructive but that is not definition of the class. There's no "Berserker class definition or bonus" - Servants summoned as Berserkers trade their reason and sanity for boost in stats. That's literally only thing that Berserker is. mira-pyon said: fejita said: so any rationalisation for MC not exploding from having a servant core implanted into him? Or should I just do what FGO preaches and forget about consistency for rule of cool? The idea is that he's already an empty shell, with no real personality nor identity. Hence, the heart doesn't clash with an already established being. So like Shirou then.... :^) AKA |
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| The Archer class is finally made up of Archers. I like em both... What i don't like however is the fetish-zation of Astolfo. He would've been a much better Character if he wasn't fetishized. And lol the ending. I can already see why people say Sieg destroyed F/A. That was so wtf. |
| Siegfried was awesome. |
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| I'm speachless, my favorite servant! Kuro No Saber, for fucks sake but that was such a good end. Epic! Fantastic episode, I don't know what all the bitching is about! |
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| It's not exactly saying much at this point, but this was probably the best episode of this show so far, not least because it had the guts to kill off Siegfried so soon, which I certainly wasn't expecting. The fights still leave a lot to be desired, but this week was a slight improvement on that front as well. |
| Clearly, A-1 won't be raising any eyebrows with their visuals, except over how underwhelming they are. I consider myself a big TM fan, though, I haven't read apocrypha, and it's pitiful seeing other fans blindly defending some of the poor scenes we've seen so far. I get why trapstolfo and sumanai could have done what they did, being heroes and all but surely there could have been a better way of going around it. I mean, the whole escape plan was nonsensical, rushing out into mission impossible with a cripple. And surely sumanai's passing could have had some impact. It just felt ehhh. Then, others trying to explain some of the power match-ups with fgo rock-paper-scissors mechanics which make no sense outside of a mobage. Berserker got rekt because they ganked the mad-enhanced insane moron. Simple as that. I'm sure most of us will keep watching no matter how bad it gets, and personally, I'm waiting for the appearance of my passionately hated Jack. Hopefully, they can redeem that design somehow with the story, since another, Astolfo, seems irredeemable now. |
Whip1asH said: I consider myself a big TM fan, though, I haven't read apocrypha, and it's pitiful seeing other fans blindly defending some of the poor scenes we've seen so far. I get why trapstolfo and sumanai could have done what they did, being heroes and all but surely there could have been a better way of going around it. I mean, the whole escape plan was nonsensical, rushing out into mission impossible with a cripple. And surely sumanai's passing could have had some impact. It just felt ehhh. Well, that's Astolfo for you. It's to be expected from the one known for "lacking all signs of common sense". He doesn't exactly operate on logic. About the dramatic stakes for the Siegfried scene, You're right, but i don't think that it could've been done any better given the source. Siegfried's motivations coupled with him having few lines all lead to this. I do think that it's alright, though. You don't need a huge investment in him to see how much of a good person he was and how that directly contributed to his death. |
| Grande Siegfried and Astolfo, my fucking heroes! xD I appreciated this episode, watching 2 noble heroes + the new mcs pairing, really helps alot. I liked Atalanta and Achilles bantering too. |
| well, that was pretty fucking stupid. And we're just at episode 4. Wew. |
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| God reading this thread full of people who know a lot about Fate Universe is driving me crazy since I don't really know much about it. I know only the basic things such as Archilles and Chiron relation, pseudo-servant and shit. So I'm gonna do some research about other heroes background. Since I'm only here because I want to see Jeanne and Mordred being animated, I don't really give a damn about anything, you could give me an anime with them as a SoL CGDCT anime MCs I still won't mind (yeah man, bringing sword/lance is a cute thing). But as an anime-only watcher, I found all the fights so far is boring and too fast. Like, it's not memorable. Well, we're still in early episodes so it's not fair to say anything yet. I'll give this episode a 3/5, Siegfried deserves some respect. |
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| This was amazingly bad. I was thinking about watching it for Jeanny and some shit getting destroyed but battles are so terribly bland and uninspired and character motives and actions are so painfully stupid it's almost unwatchable. True is has been a very long time since I saw it but I think FS/N anime was more enjoyable to watch and less cringey despite garbage like "people die if they are killed". |
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| Damn, Siegfred's gone.... A saviour till the end. The one who gave it all. |
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| Rider of red was helping a homonclus to escape Saber of red and rider of red got into fight. Saber of red betrayed his own master Saber of red sacrifice himself to the homonclus by transferring his heart to him Ruler appeared and she will be protecting the boy from now on and if i remember in the first episode ruler woke up a dragon ? wtf is going on ? this confused me. but it's a good episode either way. not that impressive but i can say it's at least good. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: And the opening scene where Siegfried and Mordred fight,... it is impossible now, even behind the scenes. Oh boy, it's possible. It's called magic! ;) No srsly....just wait. They will explain / show it later. |
| I'm not enjoying the fights so far, but all the butthurt over Siegfried's actions here makes no sense. He's like Lancer from F/Z, he had nothing he wanted from the Grail, but something he wanted to accomplish on his own. He saw the opportunity there, so what? He had to live on and fight for the Grail just because reasons? Haven't read the novel yet because it's not fully translated, but I guess the fights aren't good there either, as this isn't just a matter of animation or coreography, but how the characters do it. Not anywhere near the strategizing of F/Z and F/SN so far. |
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| From what I've seen in this tread, this episode is getting some hate. Nevertheless I really liked it. Especially Astolfo and Siegfried, but it was nice to actually see new servants too. I agree on the fights, though. They aren't as memorable as I'd hope they would be. But I guess that they'll get better as the story progresses. |
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| Looks like people are hell bent on killing the meaning of word "hate" after the demise of "epic". I doubt there's more than a handful people among everyone who've seen this episode who hate it. You have to very invested and care about something to hate it. It's just a fucking anime, nobody hates it, they just don't like it or point out how crappy it is. |
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| Finally Siegfriend punched this stupid master. |
| "The future is always blank. Only your willpower can leave footsteps there." "Ruling over death means ruling over life. Death is the climax of life. To have the best death, you must honor life." |
| Just so you guys know how much rushed this anime is being, 4 episodes for a whole volume seriously A-1? |
| Pretty sad when Siegfried died, didn't expect it to be this early. |
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alstreim14 said: Just so you guys know how much rushed this anime is being, 4 episodes for a whole volume seriously A-1? That's not rushed that's more than the norm. A volume is usually around 3 episodes. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: They can, didn't you watch UBW, where there was multiple cases where this occured.K so when did servants get to inflict harm upon their masters? Just like that?. The only thing that could stop them is a command seal. OT: Enjoyed the episode, I liked the chemistry between Atalanta and Achilles. The action was fairly decent. What Astoflo and Seigfried did this episode are completely in line with how their characters work so I had no problem with the turn out, though it could have been done a little better to give a more emotional impact, but I can look over that for now since we are still in the early stages of the series. |
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| an interesting episode Hmm red beserker really looks like a lunatic thats escaped from the cell that was holding him. Red archer seems to be a pretty calm and composed person like her opposite number. It seems neither red archer or lancer have met their masters eh. So this attack by red beserker was more of a test to determine the enemies response eh. Though neither seem to want to be here observing beserker its nice to see the red faction start to make their moves. Compared to Black beserker who has a kinder side to her Red beserker looks like a experiment gone wrong. Still i like the fact that black rider thought of diplomacy first though. Its nice that we get to see Black riders capabilities though. It was funny watching Rider's speeches get interrupted every time. Rider really has a cute personality though thats for sure. So Gordes wants to show his skill that much eh. Sending both beserker and saber to deal with rider eh. As expected Red rider is strong. Red Rider and archer seem to have some good teamwork there. Gordes is such a control freak though. Good thing he was stopped though because using the ultimate ability against one person is such a waste. Apart from Gordes it looks like everyone else seems to be obeying the chain of command quite well. Black archer sure is one hell of an archer though. Red rider's chariot is impressive. This first skirmish was pretty interesting though. So i guess Sieg's escape was noticed after all. So he's worried that he won't be able to make much of an impact on the world eh. Rider has such a caring and kind personality though. To think that Rider will be willing to fight her own side to save Sieg though thats pretty surprising. Rider's conviction stems from her backstory eh. But man her conviction is pretty strong. Still it is nice that Rider is helping Sieg because she wants to though. The fact that there is infighting among the two sides does indicate that this war is different than others. The sight of Sieg knocked out is reminding saber of his past life eh. Hmm wow never expected saber to disobey his master but man that was a well deserved punch. For ruler to come upon this scene though. Wow never expected black saber to sacrifice himself to save Sieg though. I think we were all surprised by this turn of events. Sabers one wish was to be able to help someone on his own free will eh. A noble wish actually. Its nice that sabers last wish was to give Sieg a free life though. If anything it was Gordes that didn't deserve someone as great as saber in the first place. Siegfried was a kind hero till the end eh. So starts the tale of Sieg and his bond with ruler eh. |
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| I've read the light novel up to the end of volume 4, and I've liked it so I don't have much to complain about the source material itself. The adaptation though proves to be bad with every new episode. I already got that 25 episodes is not enough to have 5 LN volumes adapted with quality and it might be necessary to rush things here and there. But A-1 rushes the scenes that should be kept as unrushed as possible, and misses some important plot/character points in result. To be precise, I was very disappointed by the way they depicted Kaziklu Bei. Right after Vlad voiced his NP, it WAS NOT even shown what happened to Spartacus, they just showed his blade that was about to hit Vlad in the face. I felt it was wrong as hell. Still, I have a very slight hope that A-1 might improve this scene with the BDs. It feels even more disappointing to the people who read the manga where this scene was depicted just stunningly. Achilles/Siegfried fight and the following Balmung activation felt unnecessarily rushed to me. The fact that A-1 skipped the scene where Jeanne arrived to the church (or whatever it was) in Trifas was kinda stupid, too. I was surprised that by changing the source material in some way, A-1 did a great job as well. For example, getting Siegfried to explain his motives in the end was really necessary. Also, Jeanne's oath to protect Sieg makes her future connection to Sieg much more meaningful. I admit that this adaptation has some obvious flaws, but I try to appreciate it as much as possible because, most likely, it is the only adaptation that F/A gets. Looking forward to the second volume animated. Hopefully, they will not finish it sooner than episode 10. |
| Seriously, what the fuck is up with these idiots? Apparently the most stupid actions are the first taken in this universe. |
| Well this was a random development. Adios generic silver haired moody sword dude, we hardly knew ye. But hey I guess this is just par for the course considering this is Fate after all... Daniel_Naumov said: I am glad Siegfried has no regrets, but I can't say the same about myself. Yeah, you probably shouldn't force yourself to watch it. I, personally am just looking forward to the supposedly trainwreck that will ensue soon where things will get a lot worse better. It's the same approach I did with Hand shakers and I'm having a blast so far. |
-Mahesvara said: Daniel_Naumov said: They can, didn't you watch UBW, where there was multiple cases where this occured.K so when did servants get to inflict harm upon their masters? Just like that?. The only thing that could stop them is a command seal. Slight correction: |
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| Siegfried dying such an early death, RIP. Way too unfortunate. |
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| A bit of a shitpost but I feel this has to be posted. |
| So why did Seigfried's master lose two seals when giving the attack command? |
| He used 1 to issue the command to use NP, then a second to cancel the first command. |
| Astolfo is just the best little thing, I swear. Also, I was definitely not expecting Siegfried to die this early on, and through self sacrifice too. But hey, who knew I'd be cheering for someone to actually make a "selfish" choice...after a whole lifetime of doing everything for other people, the guy actually took a stand. I guess that homunculus' name makes sense now though...I'm pretty sure he's called Sieg. Great to see the Archer and Rider of Rec too...I love Achilles. He's basically Cu Chulainn mixed with Iskandar and a little bit of Gilgamesh thrown in for good measure. Which is great, because they're my favorite Fate characters! So now team Black have no Saber, but are gonna have two Berserkers? This really is a weird Grail war. |
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Sumanai, I'm a dragon slayer but I can't kill dragons. Sumanai. |
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| I'm looking forward to more Achilles action! |
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| I'm surprised to see Siegfried die already, but at least the name of our Homunculous makes sense now. The other highlight of the episode was Achillies. How is he not in FGO? He seems like such a lovable bastard. So far it seems like it's the characters that are going to carry this series. Which I can deal with because most of them are fairly awesome already. |
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| shit no Siegfried |
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