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Oct 5, 2015 6:25 AM

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For good moe, against bad moe.
Oct 5, 2015 6:32 AM

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Depends on the series and use of moe. Sometimes it has its place and sometimes it doesn't.
Oct 5, 2015 6:40 AM

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I kind of got into anime because I found the moe artstyle appealing... So its really important to me xD I would probably quit anime if moe disappeared.
Oct 5, 2015 6:46 AM

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This thread reinvigorated my hatred for the word "moe".
Oct 5, 2015 6:49 AM

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Why would I be 'against' it? lol?

even IF i disliked a genre, what's the reason for that? are there also people 'against' mecha? or fantasy? xD
Oct 5, 2015 7:01 AM

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Everything in excess is bad.
Oct 5, 2015 7:15 AM
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A mixture. I'm not too fond of moe in violent anime, but I'm okay with it in non-violent anime.
Oct 5, 2015 7:16 AM

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The eradication of moe would be perfect for anime
Oct 5, 2015 7:20 AM

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I don't mind MOE in moderation, but only in moderation and only when appropriate for both the characters and the story.
Oct 5, 2015 7:21 AM

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If moe ceased to exist, I wouldn't be affected.
Oct 5, 2015 7:28 AM

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For lulz
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Oct 5, 2015 7:29 AM

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Klad said:
The eradication of moe would be perfect for anime


And why is that?
Oct 5, 2015 7:48 AM

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hoopla123 said:
There would be no anime without moe.
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Oct 5, 2015 7:48 AM
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Moe is a feeling of love, infatuation or excitement the viewer has towards a character, and it has the potential to "exist" in any work, including ones made before the terms otaku and moe even existed. It is not possible to make moe go away.

Moe is also a general preoccupation with bishoujo characters, and as such it has always been part of otaku culture. Why do manga/anime like Gunbuster, Gunsmith Cats, Burn Up, Dominion Tank Police, Patlabor, Dirty Pair and Bubblegum Crisis have one or more young women as the main characters? Manga/anime has trended towards younger characters since then, but the basic idea remains the same. However, a work that's full of bishoujo characters isn't necessarily driven by moe nor does the author necessarily consider him/herself an otaku. If Kiki's Delivery Service was turned into a late night show with only the minimum amount of changes, people not familiar with Kiki would condemn it as otaku-pandering moepedoshit that's killing the industry, guaranteed. On the other hand if you introduced Kiki to them as the work of the great filmmaker Hayao Miyazaki, they would be singing a very different tune. Kiki isn't that different from shows like Natsuiro Kiseki and Non Non Biyori. And I don't know what motivated their authors and what they think about moe or otaku.

Manga/shows like K-On, Hidamari Sketch, Yuru Yuri and Love Live also have their roots in pre-war Japan. The major difference is that girls were the audience then, and now it's mostly men.

Moe could be considered a genre, but the definition is very specific, and determining whether a show is in the moe genre requires more knowledge, consideration and rationality than most people are capable of possessing, so it should not be attempted by amateurs. And in general the obsession with labeling things just prevents people from seeing them for what they really are. Girls und Panzer is commonly condemned as a "moe" show, but it's actually a pretty traditional underdog sports story. Hibike and Tari Tari are often thrown together in the same category as K-On even though they're dramas.
Oct 5, 2015 7:50 AM

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Moe, is really something, that I really like in anime lol xD. Would be sad if they remove it.

Oct 5, 2015 8:08 AM

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2weeaboo4u said:
However, a work that's full of bishoujo characters isn't necessarily driven by moe nor does the author necessarily consider him/herself an otaku. If Kiki's Delivery Service was turned into a late night show with only the minimum amount of changes, people not familiar with Kiki would condemn it as otaku-pandering moepedoshit that's killing the industry, guaranteed. On the other hand if you introduced Kiki to them as the work of the great filmmaker Hayao Miyazaki, they would be singing a very different tune. Kiki isn't that different from shows like Natsuiro Kiseki and Non Non Biyori. And I don't know what motivated their authors and what they think about moe or otaku.

Don't know what Hayao Miyazaki thinks about otaku, but his female leads were meant to be moe, and are moe. Even if the term didn't exist back when they were created.
Moe isn't just for hardcore otaku, it's one of the things easily accessible to outsiders.
Oct 5, 2015 8:09 AM

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Moe is a blight upon humanity. It must be destroyed.
Oct 5, 2015 8:28 AM

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Cuteness is good. Cute things are good because cuteness is a desirable quality.

Yes, some shows overdo it. Charlotte has two attempts for cuteness which feel hackneyed. Overall, though when it fits it's a lot of fun.
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Oct 5, 2015 9:13 AM

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is itonly me that don't care that much?
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Oct 5, 2015 9:14 AM

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Bacardi-x-Cola said:
hoopla123 said:
There would be no anime without moe.


Really? Barefoot Gen, Kanashimi no Belladonna, & Astro Boy wouldn't be here if it wasn't for shitty moe culture? Fuck outta here.


Astro Boy/Tezuka started it.
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Oct 5, 2015 9:40 AM
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Moe is subjective.

Yes.
Oct 5, 2015 11:07 AM

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Moe is so cute. You can't say no to that! :3
Oct 5, 2015 11:13 AM

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Caelidesu said:
For lulz


You could stab someone with those mode-fied chins.

Get the joke. xD
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Oct 5, 2015 4:43 PM

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Gryffindor wins!

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Oct 5, 2015 4:48 PM

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I'm fine with cute anime girls. I mean, Guts is a beautiful man and all but I can't stare at him all day long. Well, I can and have, but I also like to take days off from that sometimes.

The cold truth of it though, is that while it's nice to have cutesy shows, it would be better if a higher % of anime were more serious.
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badwolf45f said:
SeibaaHomu said:
Where's the 'I don't care' option?

This.
I don't see anything wrong with it other than 18 year olds looking like 13 yr olds.
Oct 5, 2015 4:51 PM

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defo no, moe and idols are killing anime
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-Mahesvara said:
Yes.


Oh god, my heart can't take such greatness.

Bacardi-x-Cola said:
hoopla123 said:
There would be no anime without moe.


Really? Barefoot Gen, Kanashimi no Belladonna, & Astro Boy wouldn't be here if it wasn't for shitty moe culture? Fuck outta here.


Astro Boy is moe as fuck m8. Fuck outta here.
Oct 5, 2015 5:07 PM
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NewAgeJobber said:
I don't see anything wrong with it other than 18 year olds looking like 13 yr olds.

They're anime characters, not real people. Not even the 18 year old characters look like real 18 year old girls.

GEO9875 said:
defo no, moe and idols are killing anime

No, they are not.
Oct 5, 2015 5:25 PM
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galimx said:
Yeah, cuz all the 18 years old are and look the same LOL. /s I really doubt you even know how 18 years old girls look and act in real life.

Do you often meet girls who have natural green hair, huge purple eyes and almost no nose?
Oct 5, 2015 5:35 PM
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galimx said:
Yeah almost everyday. What about you? Why so serious? We are on internet bro. Relax. Your sarcasm detector is broken.

You indicated that the first sentence is sarcasm, but you didn't indicate it for the second sentence.
Oct 5, 2015 5:38 PM

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The only ''moe'' thing I liked was K-ON, nothing else.
Oct 5, 2015 6:18 PM

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Gakkougurashi's artstyle, mixed with other things made me drop it. So I don't really know what show's are considered moe, unless the look like Gakkougurashi! I mean I don't drop show's because they are old, or have "bad/outdated" art styles, but when it's super moe, I have no interest. I don't really find watching "cute" little girls doing stupid stuff entertaining. On top of that I don't find it cute to begin with 99% of the time.
Brace yourself.

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Oct 5, 2015 8:05 PM

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Let's see, over the last few years I've watched Non Non Biyori, Kinmoza, Gochusa, GuP, Barakamon, to name a few. I like moe quite alot, but also like older styles and more 'stark' facial types also. It depends on the series, but yes to moe.
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Oct 5, 2015 9:51 PM

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I actually don't care. I don't like or watch moe myself but a lot of people seem to like it so why not :D?
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Oct 6, 2015 12:08 AM

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There should be a vote option for not caring. I really don't care about moe. I'm not for or against it.
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Oct 6, 2015 12:13 AM

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I need my daily dosis moe so hell yeah!
Oct 6, 2015 1:12 AM

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Inocentz said:
There should be a vote option for not caring. I really don't care about moe. I'm not for or against it.
An option for not caring is not even posting. "I don't care someone please notice my apathy!"

@ Topic - Moe is that tender slice of everything right with this world. It humanizes my troubled, weary soul. It is my home away from home. No man can object to this, only a warped and malcontent beast -

Oct 6, 2015 1:46 AM
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Moe isn't made- it's found. It's so subjective that people will still find moe in Graves of the Fireflies.
Oct 6, 2015 2:56 AM

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mayukachan said:
Pro-male moe.

Yaaaaaaay!
Oct 6, 2015 2:59 AM

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badwolf45f said:
SeibaaHomu said:
Where's the 'I don't care' option?


If you're not against us you're with us! McCarthyism says so.
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Oct 6, 2015 8:02 AM
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It depends.

Firstly Moe-influenced art style doesn't bother me too much provided its well drawn and everything else holds up. Take Madoka Magica, its fine used as an art style in that example. That said, large eyes in something like Clannad is a turn off, I find them strange looking.

It becomes more problematic when we are applying Moe to characterisation. This thing about Moe characters being designed to appeal to a desire to protect is presented as a positive, but I don't think it really is, especially when you look at the characters themselves.

Collete Bennett of Japanator once described moe as "A fear of adult women and adult relationships."


This can easily be applied to a lot of moe characterisation where the female character is emotionally and intellectually stunted and as such designed to inspire this "feeling of wanting to protect" thing people talk about when discussing Moe. It's as though its drawing into this fantasy where the woman is intellectually and emotionally weak, it creates a need and dependancy on the man.

Not only is this feeding into an unhealthy way to view women (its very subservient) but it also comes across as kind of creepy.

When its doing that, then I dislike it. If the character acts kind of cute every now and then, it doesn't bother me too much.


I wonder and the only way to really prove it would be if one of these characters, mid way through a series was to stake claim to their independence, demonstrate independent enterprise, intelligence and take absolute control over their lives and possibly tell the main love interest/male character who is acting as their "protector" to back off because they want to do things for themselves and can look after themselves... pointing out that their assistance will be provided on their own terms. How would moe fans who talk about this feeling to protect react to her? Would they be behind that? Would they still like her as much? Would they see her as horrible and unreasonable?

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Oct 6, 2015 8:18 AM

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Moe is the cancer KILLING the industry.
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DreamingBeats said:
depends on the series. it's perfectly fine in a CGDCT type of series, but not in a more serious series.


Kuruwin said:
Well i don't have a problem with moe when it's used on moderation but when characters are constantly just screaming kawai! it's obnoxious. Lot of moe also feels too forced.
Oct 6, 2015 8:51 AM

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Moe is fine. Even though I only like 2 moe characters that are older than they look.
Oct 6, 2015 9:05 AM

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No moe=I quit animu
Oct 6, 2015 10:33 AM
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Fizix said:
Firstly Moe-influenced art style doesn't bother me too much provided its well drawn and everything else holds up. Take Madoka Magica, its fine used as an art style in that example. That said, large eyes in something like Clannad is a turn off, I find them strange looking.

This is Minky Momo, a magical girl anime from 1991. The term moe didn't exist then, and the moe boom in anime was over a decade away. Madoka doesn't have moe character design, it has cute character design. There isn't such a thing as moe character design.

It becomes more problematic when we are applying Moe to characterisation. This thing about Moe characters being designed to appeal to a desire to protect is presented as a positive, but I don't think it really is, especially when you look at the characters themselves.

Moe isn't something intrinsic to a character, it's a response the viewer has towards a character. The character could be anyone and the response could be based on anything. Many popular characters like Haruhi, Saber, Asuka, Marisa, Makoto (Idolmaster), Rin (Idolmaster CG), Hestia and Kurisu aren't characterized as weak, vulnerable, or stunted. Works with many female characters such as Touhou, Idolmaster, KanColle, Love Live, Girlfriend, Hidamari Sketch and Kiniro Mosaic have different kinds of characters that appeal to different people. If all the characters were intellectually and emotionally weak, the story and character interaction would suffer badly and sales would be dependent on only people who like that character type... but since the story and character interaction would be lousy, they probably wouldn't be interested.

However, what exactly do you mean by intellectually and emotionally weak characters? What would be examples of such characters?

I wonder and the only way to really prove it would be if one of these characters, mid way through a series was to stake claim to their independence, demonstrate independent enterprise, intelligence and take absolute control over their lives and possibly tell the main love interest/male character who is acting as their "protector" to back off because they want to do things for themselves and can look after themselves... pointing out that their assistance will be provided on their own terms. How would moe fans who talk about this feeling to protect react to her? Would they be behind that? Would they still like her as much? Would they see her as horrible and unreasonable?

The Japanese really couldn't care less about your feminist social experiments (which, like all feminist ideas, are based on faulty premises).

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Moe is the cancer KILLING the industry.

No it isn't.
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Fizix said:
I wonder and the only way to really prove it would be if one of these characters, mid way through a series was to stake claim to their independence, demonstrate independent enterprise, intelligence and take absolute control over their lives and possibly tell the main love interest/male character who is acting as their "protector" to back off because they want to do things for themselves and can look after themselves... pointing out that their assistance will be provided on their own terms. How would moe fans who talk about this feeling to protect react to her? Would they be behind that? Would they still like her as much? Would they see her as horrible and unreasonable?

The girls of K-On! look quite self-confident, independent and well-functioning if you ask me. They do whatever they want to.

Moe being associated with vulnerable characters is some kind of absurd, but I love it because it means that virtually any CGDCT SOL show will be instantly excluded from this boring and overused buzzword.
jal90Oct 6, 2015 4:04 PM
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