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Sep 27, 2015 11:28 PM

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Ckan said:

Through the reforging of our souls perhaps we might find in us the benevolence to love another - that we might turn this mountain coffin into our church of hope.

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Now that would be one ambitious pursuit for AD.
Sep 27, 2015 11:49 PM

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So... I'm confused, what am I supposed to do now?
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You're right, OP but woo, you need to calm down a bit. There is a need for categorizing and order, so that it'll be easier for everyone to find what they want. However, it is dumb to have way too many ridiculous categorizations which are meaningless like what you said.

As for the title, yes, anime is cartoons. People should stop feeling butthurt because they fear that other people think of anime as childish. That's not even talking about the anime shows that ARE childish and meant for kids.
Sep 28, 2015 12:04 AM

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Cartoons are anime
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@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite
Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained
Sep 28, 2015 1:14 AM
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i don't really care tbh
Sep 28, 2015 1:38 AM

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Let's be honest, there are films and they are moving pictures with sound. That's it, end of story. Who cares if terms like "tragedy" and "comedy" date back to ancient Greek plays; they're all just meaningless buzzwords now!
Sep 28, 2015 6:47 AM

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Cut the crap, guys.

Anime is a synonym for 'Japanese cartoons/animation'. It's more comfortable to use.

/thread
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Sep 28, 2015 11:03 AM

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lol
I probably regret this post by now.
Sep 28, 2015 10:40 PM
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Gator said:
So... I'm confused, what am I supposed to do now?
Drop a one-liner of course.
Sep 28, 2015 10:44 PM
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They're both the same though. That's not a bad thing though.

You're all just classically conditioned to be that anime=only good thing cartoons=shit, shit, shit
Sep 27, 2016 5:10 PM

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This website is so full of elitist yet they don't even have King of the Hill anywhere! gosh
Sep 27, 2016 5:15 PM

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Mhhh... Anime is anime, hentai is hentai, cartoon is cartoon.

So, what's the fuss over here?
Sep 28, 2016 7:16 AM

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Few of the words you mentioned don't appear only in animes discussion:
Low / high budget, ovrrrated, underrated and cencored, late at night TV (usually late at night there shows for adults. Never heard of it in anime relatef talk)

And why do you have problems with universal genres (comedy, drama)?


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Stop making an anthill out of a mountain.
Sep 28, 2016 8:16 AM

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What a glorious thread! I am in awe of its grandeur.
Sep 28, 2016 8:24 AM
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I don't really care as long as I have my daily dose of anime memes tbh
Sep 28, 2016 11:13 AM

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I like how almost none of the people actually took this thread seriously. Poor guy :/

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I don't really care as long as I have my daily dose of anime memes tbh
Yep, i agree
I only watch anime so i could understand anime memes ^^
Sep 28, 2016 11:19 AM

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Sep 28, 2016 11:40 AM

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words are only meaningless if you think they are meaningless. if you use them within a proper context and/or way they don't lose meaning at all. it's not the words, it's the people.

for example your use of metaphoric. It's meaningless within context and all it does is shatter the mental image you wanted to summon. So unless that's what you want to achieve - f.e. when you want to make something feel surreal or when you are explaining the text - don't. smh
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I can't help but to partly agree on certain points that had been made in this thread, like over-categorization and idiotic discussion topics. But, discussion sometimes calls for the use of Buzzwords when either of the discussion parties wants to convey a point without consuming much of his/her time, some times it's better to do so than to write walls of text that nobody will bother to read. That's the only instance where I think it's useful to use Buzzwords at the moment.

Now, on the matter of stupid & cancerous discussion topics, I think there is no escaping it, I mean there is always going to be people who would use these kind of topics to create threads that are meant for shitposting, ranting or you know, just for the sake of getting them famous on MAL. I don't know what to do with these people, so the best course of action, that we should take as MAL residents is to avoid these threads.

Lastly, I would like to take my hat off to you sir. This is literally the 'Thread of the Year' in my book.

I rate it 5/5 stars
Sep 28, 2016 12:27 PM

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I think buzzwords are harmless.

It's people's attitudes towards each other that need to change.

Quit being assholes to others because you like or hate different series. Seriously, that's all that needs to change.



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Ckan said:

Are we seriously going to bicker over the minutiae of good and bad taste for the next MALcentury? Are we seriously going to quarrel over something so worthless as what we find interesting and the meaning of life?

This. Has. Got. To. Stop.


Over a year later, things remain unchanged.

Your wisdom and humor blesses amidst all these complaint about every subject.

Make MAL great again, as this thread I do resurrect.
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What REALLY has to stop are threads with OPs that think that people care about what they have to say, or will change their ways just because OP said to

I don't like it either, but that's just how the community is, you're just going to have to deal with it

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It will follow us to the grave and become our epitaph. Here lies MAL, the swollen spring; Where is love? Sometimes I dream of MAL.

A dream of purification, a bloody purging of disease and pus from which a cleaner life might arise - teams of surgeons in uniformed line take out their knives and exorcise the foul demons that bewile us - friend and foe take up arms and strike down those blood-sucking lice that feast on us - a march of fans aligned in feeling takes step to the capital server and proclaim our conquest over war.

The misunderstandings are turned aside in the face of our stoic heroes and unwavering heroines. In mighty hand, the katana of glory; in head, the knowledge of a million; in soul, the love of anime. Our warriors of hope turn aside the washing flood of dirty slime. No troll goes unslain. No orc undestroyed. All dragons defiled.

The banner of anime flies high, and with it, a reforged goodness and a new commonwealth of nations; our loving beacon to the world. That our passions might excite one another; that our feelings might touch our intellects; that we might share in the wellspring of moving pictures.

The dam would burst. Nothing could stop this tide of life. Brushed aside, the lies of vice. Triumph after triumph, word after word; the soul of man would be restored. The light and darkness would be in balance. All wit would rejoice in the hallowedness of our refined waters, where golden vessels would sail and row; friends astern and fiends reeling. Then our fleet of feeling would come ashore. We would camp and speak on tales; we would reminisce and remonstrate - learning everyplace, laughter everywhere; love transcendent.

From shore to heartland we would walk, preach, sing! The world would hear our salutations; our chorus would echo into each granny nook and grandpa sook. Penetrating, our joys would carry the weight of our medium. Finance would be no issue. Popularity unheard of. Anime arises, anime united. Undivided, our perverted enemy would be cast out in every country we laid feet. Our garrison would be the enlightened touch of the friendly liberator. Our history: never-ending legend.

The world cleansed at last, the cohort returns. The van sheathes its sword and our heroes are come to rest - here! Returning to the bosom of MAL, where there was no sadness for our going, only pride at our coming. Here, our Eden of the East. MAL stands tall. Crime is gone. Sin is dead. There is worry no more.
Glory, glory, hallelujah!

In Paradise, none shall be lost. Utopic. Xinil sits on his throne and welcomes us home. For we are his children, and he our guardian. MAL! We have come far. MAL, we are victorious! MAL, together we stand. We traversed the hills of petty men. We ascended the mountain to transcendence. Where we faltered there was no waste, for here we are: our legions returned. Our people have become great once more. Our nation an expert dominion; a 2D Kingdom. Rejoice at our triumph! Everlasting now, our tower rises beyond all heavens.

IN this place resides such hope. In this place was born that life. This spring of youth, this well of greatness. Sometimes I dream of MAL. Anime rises from its shallows like heated lava; the explosion begins once more. O, cleansing fire!

Give me your hands, if we be friends, nakama, MALians; lend me your flame that our mountain become Vulcano.
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Jan 18, 2017 1:59 AM

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I totally feel ya OP
It's like trying to categorize all those LGBTOMGWTFBBQ people.
No they're not just faggots they're trannies, ladyboys, shemales, girlboys, boygirls, pansexuals, asexuals, bisexuals, transsexuals, fuccbois, buttbois, homos, closet homos, gays, queers, fairies, traps, crossdressers, fabulous faggots, outrageous faggots, simple faggots, post ops, pre ops, tops, bottoms, cave bears and kitty boys, furries WHATEVER! They're all faggots!
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Jan 19, 2017 6:00 AM

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MAL need more categorization if anything... i am slowly using more baka-updates since their tag is more useful than genre...
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Kuma said:
MAL need more categorization if anything... i am slowly using more baka-updates since their tag is more useful than genre...


Exception made for a few, nearly every thread around here is self serving as hell. 'Am I the only one'/'are they'/'why do they', ofc they'll all find a person to feed arguments ops make out of the blue, they aren't really talking about animes even when anime is involved*. What good does it make to label spice&wolf with I don't know okami mimi? Does it make me an okami mimi fan? The anime doesn't give a shit about holo's ears, I can only imagine what old AD was like - maybe just bigger in scale

*just skim through the very thread to find people arguing about people rather than the thing
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sunfire02 said:
Kuma said:
MAL need more categorization if anything... i am slowly using more baka-updates since their tag is more useful than genre...


Exception made for a few, nearly every thread around here is self serving as hell. 'Am I the only one'/'are they'/'why do they', ofc they'll all find a person to feed arguments ops make out of the blue, they aren't really talking about animes even when anime is involved*. What good does it make to label spice&wolf with I don't know okami mimi? Does it make me an okami mimi fan? The anime doesn't give a shit about holo's ears, I can only imagine what old AD was like - maybe just bigger in scale

*just skim through the very thread to find people arguing about people rather than the thing


i don't want to go trough your argument, but take a look at baka update page for spice and wolf and goes to categories...
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=13080
it's not that i want categorizing everything it self... but i like to know what i expect from a series before into them...
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Offended because Dementia is one of my favorite genre.. which is funny because it's supposed to be a joke, but it's true.
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Kuma said:
sunfire02 said:


Exception made for a few, nearly every thread around here is self serving as hell. 'Am I the only one'/'are they'/'why do they', ofc they'll all find a person to feed arguments ops make out of the blue, they aren't really talking about animes even when anime is involved*. What good does it make to label spice&wolf with I don't know okami mimi? Does it make me an okami mimi fan? The anime doesn't give a shit about holo's ears, I can only imagine what old AD was like - maybe just bigger in scale

*just skim through the very thread to find people arguing about people rather than the thing


i don't want to go trough your argument, but take a look at baka update page for spice and wolf and goes to categories...
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=13080
it's not that i want categorizing everything it self... but i like to know what i expect from a series before into them...

These are some really useful tags. I wonder how many manga tackle economics... very few, but I might be able to find something I didn't see yet.

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What good does it make to label spice&wolf with I don't know okami mimi? Does it make me an okami mimi fan? The anime doesn't give a shit about holo's ears

Animal ears are always a good thing and a good search criterion. A show rated high on animal ears surely will not be a boring 100-episode OVA about strategy and death.
Something as specific as "wolf ears" might not be a useful tag unless you're on *booru.
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sunfire02 said:
Kuma said:


i don't want to go trough your argument, but take a look at baka update page for spice and wolf and goes to categories...
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=13080
it's not that i want categorizing everything it self... but i like to know what i expect from a series before into them...


Yes you'd like to know if spice&wolf was porn (it's not), with actually very generic tags doing their job rather than what you mean, but from what I read in this thread people seemed much more obsessed then, and from what I read out there now it's because nearly everyone holds someone responsable for anything and as soons as they run out of bullshit someone tries to kill discussion with whatever argument one can come up, I could go deeper.
I mean what I got from this thread endless tags are more a result of keyboard fights rather than any real need (and real value to the very shows).

exactly, the problem is not category it self, but how people react to it... however, the necessary of categorize it self still important value.... not to mention if i want searching for something.... for example i want manga with europe influence world building.... genre that currently used on MAL will tell you nothing...

i am more focus on function than the reaction...

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Kuma said:


i don't want to go trough your argument, but take a look at baka update page for spice and wolf and goes to categories...
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=13080
it's not that i want categorizing everything it self... but i like to know what i expect from a series before into them...

These are some really useful tags. I wonder how many manga tackle economics... very few, but I might be able to find something I didn't see yet.

another thing that i like from baka update is that has also really more useful search option... like licenced status, scanlation status, original status, type, and even kind of series....
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the only thing I can say is, "anime" is unique and cartoon is for children 12 years old below.
well, just dont mind my reply. lol


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sunfire02 said:
We all pretty much agree tags are useful and Idk what a booru is but see, it's something nobody cares about and it's beyond the point. Just like animal ears, point out one million people do but for each one of them there's 10 million who won't. And that's just people, since you bring up this booru thing tag for some people, because the actual thing is that 'animal ears' doesn't say anything useful about the show, unlike say meaning of love and all that stuff working according to the narrative people out there actually care about, yes some want their animal ears but the rest of the world doesn't and will just agree it's cute leaving fans fighting on the net.

*booru refers to sites that have a structure similar to danbooru.donmai.us . Their names tend to end in -booru: gelbooru, sakugabooru, and so on.
They are sites that host and catalogue a lot of porn pictures. Content tags are the primary way of finding anything there.

Also, I don't have to care that 10 million people wouldn't use some tag. If 1 million will use it, it's good enough. Helping 1 million people is surely a good deed.
We do not have dictatorship of majority as the primary form of decision-making, and our resources aren't particularly constrained.
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flannan said:

*booru refers to sites that have a structure similar to danbooru.donmai.us . Their names tend to end in -booru: gelbooru, sakugabooru, and so on.
They are sites that host and catalogue a lot of porn pictures. Content tags are the primary way of finding anything there.

Also, I don't have to care that 10 million people wouldn't use some tag. If 1 million will use it, it's good enough. Helping 1 million people is surely a good deed.
We do not have dictatorship of majority as the primary form of decision-making, and our resources aren't particularly constrained.


I'm saying the tag stuff is besides the point which is people killing discussion, ckan is more into 'stop burying everything under whatever', I'm more into how everyone here avoided and still avoids (anime) discussion and ends up killing it in the same way, I'm not arguing on what tags to use or not because - despite the large number of threads ckan might've seen then - this is more about whatever argument you come up out of the blue like this helping people and majority stuff.

No hard feelings or anything btw;0
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Kuma said:
i don't want to go trough your argument, but take a look at baka update page for spice and wolf and goes to categories...
https://www.mangaupdates.com/series.html?id=13080
it's not that i want categorizing everything it self... but i like to know what i expect from a series before into them...


The tags thing sounds pretty useful and definitely more insightful than genre. This on MAL could change a lot of things.
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My favorite part was when OP compared anime to cartoons and then ranted about genres.
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Any validity your argument had, ended with the title. Why say that anime is cartoons(when its not) and then go on to say something completely different than the argument your title suggested you were going to put forward?
Jan 21, 2017 2:33 AM

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Scooty-Bby said:
Why say that anime is cartoons(when its not)
but anime still cartoon thou... japanese cartoon to be exact...
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Kuma said:
Scooty-Bby said:
Why say that anime is cartoons(when its not)
but anime still cartoon thou... japanese cartoon to be exact...


Yeah but using that logic, that means that all our cartoons are just English Anime...
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Scooty-Bby said:
Kuma said:
but anime still cartoon thou... japanese cartoon to be exact...


Yeah but using that logic, that means that all our cartoons are just English Anime...


well, it is technically correct and i don't see anything wrong with that...
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Coolspot said:
I think people put labels on everything, even soup cans.
If they wouldn't you'd never know what you're buying. Buying soup will be a great adventure, and a dangerous gamble. I wish it'd be like that.
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FireEmblemIke24 said:
Your text you've written doesn't relate to the question in the thread.


Thank God, I thought I was the only one who noticed.

Throwing buzzwords around to make you seem smarter than you doesn't help anything or anyone. It distracts people who are potentially interested in Anime and keep people from exploring the medium. If you wanna stay dumb that's your prerogative but don't mislead everyone else into the black hole that is your sensibilities.
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LordLagann said:
FireEmblemIke24 said:
Your text you've written doesn't relate to the question in the thread.


Thank God, I thought I was the only one who noticed.

Throwing buzzwords around to make you seem smarter than you doesn't help anything or anyone. It distracts people who are potentially interested in Anime and keep people from exploring the medium. If you wanna stay dumb that's your prerogative but don't mislead everyone else into the black hole that is your sensibilities.

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Oliemaar said:
Coolspot said:
I think people put labels on everything, even soup cans.
If they wouldn't you'd never know what you're buying. Buying soup will be a great adventure, and a dangerous gamble. I wish it'd be like that.
Soup it self is label you know... imagine buying canned food without it label...
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Kuma said:
Oliemaar said:
If they wouldn't you'd never know what you're buying. Buying soup will be a great adventure, and a dangerous gamble. I wish it'd be like that.
Soup it self is label you know... imagine buying canned food without it label...
I think I'd go to a store where all the food is just packed in unlabeled, exactly the same boxes. One day you might get the ingredients to the perfect spaghetti, next day you're stuck eating frozen pizza with sour cream and shampoo.
Wait a minute, that sounds terrible.
But it sounds fun though.
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http://kotaku.com/the-anime-encyclopedia-3rd-edition-the-kotaku-review-1690464679
Read the above review, I mean, these authors made what should have been a great reference book into some sort of elitist tome that takes anime way too seriously, instead of just pure entertainment that a lot of people enjoy. So I tend to agree, anime is just basically cartoons that are meant to be fun, mostly light-hearted entertainment, and you shouldn't expect too much from anime. There are great movies, like a Citizen Cane, but most movies are like Paul Blart Mall Cop in reality. Still people have seen Paul Blart since they made a sequel to it. Same holds true for anime, just don't ruin anime by expecting most to be masterpieces, it'll just suck the fun right out of anime. Too much fan service? I don't care, just watch Bugs Bunny if you like cartoons without the fan service. Anime is what it is after all.
As for genres, those terms are to specific and generalized anyway, like harem anime. Tenchi Muyo! and To Love Ru are harem anime, but I call them Space Princess anime because of the presence of space princesses. All harems are different, some are sci-fi, some are slice of life, etc. Most of the buzzwords though, are just part of the anime/manga community, if this was a surfing forum, you'd get surfing buzzwords, etc.
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Its chinese cartoon actually.
sorry to break it to you but its actually chinese mickey mouse
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