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| There were som frustrating times watching this gundam with a lot of annoying characters doing stupid thing and for that I give it 8/10 but the last few eps are easily 10/10 material, killing off characters left and right and not even a happy ending like MSG had. |
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| damn, what a way to end it. I'm glad they killed off the incompetent characters but the way Kamille ended up was cruel. Although it's understandable , newtypes always seem to get fucked up in the end after over exerting themselves. |
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| All of a sudden the zeta gundam runs on dead ladies. What a joke. I'm glad I'm done with this. |
| Bit better than MSG. It has some problems, mainly with pacing, but I am willing to forgive them all because it's just so old. Somewhere between a 7 and 8 for me |
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| I originally commented about a week ago but I ended up thinking back and reflecting on Zeta alot more and I have to say, I think i was more basing my opinion off of how anime is today rather than back then, while Zeta had moments of being boring and a bit repetitive there's just something about it all that just screamed that this was an awesome watch. I think it's good to stand back after finishing something and digest it all before criticizing something, and after thinking about it I think this might be my 2nd favorite Gundam series I've watched thus far. The UC timeline really is a masterpiece when you connect all the series together as one....minus ZZ :) With that said, I think I can give this a very solid 9/10 now. |
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| Amazing ending, but Zeta still disappointed me. Mostly because I was expecting it to be "Tomino's masterpiece", something worth a 9 or a 10. It is a good anime, but it doesn't deserve all the hype it gets. I enjoyed watching Gundam 0079 more. 7.5/10 |
JGChavesFeb 12, 2016 11:10 AM
JGChaves said: Amazing ending, but Zeta still disappointed me. Mostly because I was expecting it to be "Tomino's masterpiece". It is a good anime, but it doesn't deserve the hype it gets. I enjoyed watching Gundam 0079 more. 7/10 I mean, if you didn't think this was Tomino's masterpiece then you probably just don't care for Tomino's work all that much to be honest. |
ex_necross said: JGChaves said: Amazing ending, but Zeta still disappointed me. Mostly because I was expecting it to be "Tomino's masterpiece", something worth a 9 or a 10. It is a good anime, but it doesn't deserve the hype it gets. I enjoyed watching Gundam 0079 more. 7.5/10 I mean, if you didn't think this was Tomino's masterpiece then you probably just don't care for Tomino's work all that much to be honest. I really don't care about him that much, still need to watch his other Gundam. I was just trying to say Zeta doesn't live up to it's hype. In hindsight I probably should have said "the best Gundam" or something like that. Anyway, I thought Gundam 0079 was better, so no matter how good or bad his other Gundam are, I'm not going to agree that Zeta is his best work. |
JGChavesFeb 12, 2016 11:16 AM
| Having watched this right after the original MSG,it made me realize how much more I like the original better (so much so that I'm bump it up to an 8/10). stAtic91 said: ^This.I was quite disappointed with this anime, especially after hearing how amazing it's supposed to be. It was too slow for me and I just couldn't get into it. I didn't really like any of the characters or the plot, and felt like most episodes were just random, uninteresting fights between the A.E.U.G and Titans. If there was one thing I did love about this ending though,it had to be Kamille's fate.It was so tragic yet so fitting,had been waiting for him to lose it throughout the whole series. 6.5/10. |
Valaskjalf said: parfaited said: What can I say other that I am highly disappointed in this series. That was a depressing ending but just because it was depressing doesn't mean it's good, at least not for me. Strangely enough the whole Zeta series has made me appreciate 0079 way more. I much prefer the ending from 0079, in fact that one left me speechless. Now I will have to rewatch the last episode again and rethink my stance on that one. Anyway back to this, I was bummed that Emma died. I truly believe she could have slapped Kamille back into sanity had she still been alive. About Char...well there's nothing left to the imagination when there's a movie called later in the timeline called Char's Counterattack. How I wished I would have watched this series as it was airing. I wasn't even born until a year after this finished airing. Yeah I'm going to preach to the choir here but too many irritating characters. My enjoyment suffers when the large part of the cast is composed of such annoying people that made lots of episodes just plainly tedious. I would have liked to see more of the people that were not annoying namely Haman and Char. Like Char is a fabulous man and the effort is just wasted when instead you're thinking that a series needs less whiny kids but more fabulous people. BTW did we even learn why so many females wanted Scirocco's dick so badly? I was expecting him to tell Kamille that he could manipulate sexual urges and that is why he had all the ladies flocking to him. I would like to see this and 0079 remade. I know there is/was a remake in the works (?). Old animation is a nice throwback and nostalgia factor no doubt, but I also like shiny and new things. Here's hoping that Unicorn won't let me down as much as this did. Wow someone who thinks exactly like me. 0079 is Masterpiece compared to Zeta. The ending didn't even affect me at all because I didn't give a shit about any of the characters, they were so dumb that dying is actually a great service for humanity (olol) You guys summed it up perfectly; I don't feel like I have anything else to add to that. I felt terrible for Kamille, but I was still dissatisfied with the ending and highly disappointed with the series overall. You know there's something wrong when most of the main characters' deaths put a smile on your face. PS: even without the existence of Char's Counterattack, I think the damaged yet still more or less existing torso of the Hyaku Shiki drifting in space was a huge hint at Char still being alive (and stuck inside the cockpit). |
SapewlothDec 16, 2015 10:10 PM
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| had some pacing issues but quit good overall. |
| Decent ending tbh, not amazing though, well the Titans is finished, now the fight will be between the Zeon and the new Earth government(whichever it will be) Overall this series is 6/10 |
| Beautiful finale. I loved a few scenes like the theater one. The actions scenes were sometimes very good, I liked the fight between Haaman, Char and Paptimus. 5/5 The series wasn't at all what I expected. The focus shift from the world, the politics and the war mechanics (0079) to a personal experience of a conflict. This was interesting in its own right. They managed to give us several characters different enough to see how each of them lived the terrible events who occured. But... The biggest problem of this series is its length. It is horribly long and it felt at times laborious to go through (I say that and I was raised with 60+ eps anime and love full 26eps ones). I love a lot of mecha shows but was never into robot battles, here it takes 50% of each episode with almost no exception. Many of those skirmishes feel strongly artificial and bring nothing. A 26eps format would have work a lot better because even outside the battles, the series had to repeat over and over the same things (lots of the main characters had antics to deliver each episode) to be able to reach its full year length. The fact it is a civil war makes it different enough from the OYW, but the antagonists leaders,their goals/visions, are mostly lame. Paptimus had a good concept for example but they didn't really made a lot out of him, he seems pretty weak compared to any Zabi (except maybe Garma). Haaman is probably the only good "bad guy" and I was saad for Mineva's situation. There were in a few occasions up to four camps with almost none supporting an ideology. The thematic, the exposition of the war horrors, and Camille's progression, his struggle and failure to apply his own way to the conflict he falled in were very good. And they maintained a very light 0079 feeling with the political plots. On that plan, it was a successfull "migration" sequel (like Aliens for Alien). But this great story was poorly build. It would benefit from a manga retelling like Yasuhiko did for the original series. I don't have high hopes because this artist does mainly manga about politic and history. ??/10 I scored 7 for this series when I want to rate it 9 and 4. Because this strange thing was terribly inconsistent. 7/10 |
Rei_IIIMay 24, 2018 12:05 PM
| Well, it took me a while, but I finally finished this series. I found it to be less involving and much less smart than I thought it would be, with major writing blunders pretty much preventing me from being completely immersed until the very end. That being said, there was one thing that was clearly better thought-out than the rest of the series, and it worked beautifully. I am, obviously, talking about Kamille's arc, the story of a kind of crazy but well intentioned tragic hero who tries to be the reasonable person in a completely unreasonable situation and is punished accordingly. In a way, he reminds me of Nello, another beloved anime character that was simply too decent to succeed. Like Nello, he repeatedly tries to do the right thing, even though the only reward he ever gets is more suffering. In Kamille's life, one calamity follows another until he is finally struck by one tragedy too many and goes insane. It is sad, it is poignant, and it works better as a condemnation of war than most anti-war works. I especially liked the fact that they didn't try to manipulate the audience's feelings: there was no dwelling on what happened, and neither exposition in order to make sense of a senseless situation nor people crying. Haman escapes, Mineva continues to be a puppet queen (despite the fact that Haman clearly cares for her), pretty much the entire cast dies, Fa is horrified, cut to black. Kamille ended up being a well-written, likable character whose downfall saved the series from being a generic "mission of the week" series that happens to end on the bleakest possible note. Kamille wasn't the only interesting thing about this series. Among the others are the futuristic clothing design, which helped me stay at least partially immersed even during the worst parts, and Katz - a child that was sent to war despite being clearly incapable of surviving in one. He escapes many close calls - until he doesn't. Kikka and Letz have lost a brother, and Fraw and Hayato will have to live with the fact that they are responsible for their adopted son's death. @Rei366 Because it ended on such a high note, with all of the last few episodes being either very good or great, Zeta wasn't the failure I feared it would become with ten or so episodes to go. That being said, it is noticeably weaker than its predecessor (which had a clear goal during its entire run and managed to stay both insane and exciting until the very end, even if it didn't end as well as it could have) and miles behind of other works from the late 70's/early 80's that are considered classics. There is just no way to compare this with stuff such as Nausicaa, Aim for The Ace or Akage no Anne with a straight face. |
| "I will become his world and will make him my world" - You really should know who said this. "Firing at unarmed citizens is a feat that those without courage and a chivalrous spirit simply cannot accomplish." - Oskar von Reuenthal "No way Spirited Away is better than Akira. NO WAY." - Kanye West |
| @Lease_of_Life Very interesting to read you after so many dumb reactions to Katz's behavior and survival rate or to the other victims Camille wanted to help. I didn't find them "annoying" either since it was relevant. Katz's fate notably is clearly obvious: the further you see, the more his tragic fate seems unavoidable. (that and the way Hayato mistakes his son for himself). Maybe I didn't understand you right, but if I did, it's nice to meet someone who can recognize the great aspects of Zeta's story without raising the all series above the original one. I t's hard to believe this was the series who made the Gundam phenomenon after 0079 failure because it is far less engaging on a longer duration. (I had to force my way in after The Origin made me long for more at each tome's conclusionand that couldn't possibly be only due to the fact I was "raised" to love 0079) I realize I still have to end the third movie of the alternate retelling now. I couldn't forced me through this after the series. Will you watch them? Not that you need to earn the anime success "went through Zeta Gundam". Any plan to go on further along this universe? I must say up until where I stand now (0093), only 0079 and 0080 (OAVs) have been great experiences. After that, it always lies on good or excellent ideas drown in a series whose destined length wasn't taken in account by the makers. edit: you should write a review, it would be more useful than the (postive or negative) rants and other opinions about this anime. |
Rei_IIIJul 8, 2016 2:16 AM
| I finished the show the other day and I thought it was very good. Marathoned it over 5 days and there were parts that felt dragged out. The rash actions of the characters, especially in the first part of the show really pissed me off. I hadn't really heard anything about this series before starting out and I haven't seen too many mecha shows but I probably say this show deserves a decent amount of hype for it's harsh depiction of war as well as decently hard si-fi. I must say the whole transforming suit thing did piss me off as that is obviously a toy gimmick but the actual designs of the mobile suits are pretty cool. I haven't gotten around to later gundams yet but I definitely think the suits become way too elaborate and over designed. |
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| I came right into Zeta after watching 0079. Zeta overall was okay but sometimes I was lost and had problems following what was happening. It was shocking to see Kamille have a complete mental break down and the amount of people that died in the last episodes. I agree that the series is a bit overhyped how this is supposed to be the 'best' Gundam series, I honestly like 0079 and its ending more. Many questions are still unanswered and it does not have a clean ending touch like 0079. Having said that, I will give it a 7/10 and will go on with ZZ Gundam. |
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bjorno said: I came right into Zeta after watching 0079. Zeta overall was okay but sometimes I was lost and had problems following what was happening. It was shocking to see Kamille have a complete mental break down and the amount of people that died in the last episodes. I agree that the series is a bit overhyped how this is supposed to be the 'best' Gundam series, I honestly like 0079 and its ending more. Many questions are still unanswered and it does not have a clean ending touch like 0079. Having said that, I will give it a 7/10 and will go on with ZZ Gundam. 1) Most good endings are not "clean". 2) Zeta's ending was clean. Very clean. They answered every question and explained every plot element. 3) I gave Zeta a 6 out of 10, but the ending is probably the thing I like the most about this series. |
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| Goddamn, that was depressing! Seeing Kamiile at the end like that legit gave me chills! It definitely had a few bumps and subpar episodes! But i can definitely see why many regard this as the best in the entire Gundam series 10/10 Easily! |
| @Allen750 I started to skip the episode previews after a few episodes, when it was clear that they were always announcing most major events. What kind of new information or scenes were they including? edit @Allen750 : Oh, I see. Then I didn't miss anything. Indeed, the brief "recaps" at the beginning featured on several occasions informations not depicted in the episodes or "explaining" things like "then they went to..." or "Camille, realizing that ..., decided to..." etc (the second type being often useful to make more sense of what had been seen in the previous episode). I noticed a few post-credits scenes, but not so much: most of the time, the footage featured after the ending was a "spoilery" next-episode-preview. Anyway, at least it made you ready to endure all those "WHAT?!" you might think watching ZZ. (and to all the unssaid things in the saga's theatrical finale). About Char and Amuro, I think that both of them ended up getting the time they needed to build them up. Amuro simply needed far less than Char, having received a pretty good treatment in 0079. @RafaelDeJongh Unless you want to watch a TV show hosted by Char, skip the first episode of ZZ. It even throws at you scenes from the 2nd épisode (the real first épisode) @mshea1213 I can't. I personally disliked the shift from war drama with enough background politics and a touch of soap-opera (0079 or Origin manga) to this big soap-opera with a civil war background and quasi-inexistant politics (I was always angry to see that we didn't get anything about the forces etc for episodes).And the prevalence of the soap element was sadly the winning recipe: after that, no Gundam went back to a more 0079-like formula. Even SEED who "modernized" the original came with this ramped up to higher levels. In the end, the best aspect was that the hero matured a bit but never gave up his will no matter how many times hekept failing. Up to lose itself when winning the war. @ezaya Maybe because it tried several interesting things (with some bad attempts, of course, and the whole problem of basic story construction). Maybe because it was the most popular one (although the 0079 series/movies have probably touched a more general/larger audience in their days). Maybe because Char is a good guy and the mentor in this one? (feel free to propose your own ideas ;) ) I put a relatively high score because I decided to value its merits above all its problems but I personally disliked th ebig change of focus between this series and its predecessor (but it was a bold move, so it is sort of a quality) December 23, 2018 HibiChika said: did kamille actually go blind lol? way to cripple amuro v2 for life... No, he couldn't stand to fail no matter how much he tried to the point he started to lose his mind during this battle (as seen with the helmet). And then Sirocco put the final hit to his mental health through some ESP attack, reducing him to a vegetable. You'll see next episode (ZZ ep2, since ep1 is a summary+quizz+preview) Did you really see Camille as a 2nd Amuro? (I thought he was quite different and his own type of character) August 9, 2019 @zoristtot It's so conforting to read those words after I read things about how unengaging the original White Base crew including Amuro were. The difference between this mess of a "story" and 0079 is probably that the first Gundam was more of a team work while the sequel was way more controlled by Tomino himself. September 17, 2019 @blessofcurse Katz was a "trash" as an actual person (and "trash" persons exist) but as a character was used very well by the series, especially in the way the creator chose to terminate him (through his end and his survival before, the "lesson" was greatly portrayed). Reccoa's character would have been better perceived if Tomino wasn't as clumsy to depict certain things. October 13, 2019 @DazeFire So, what's the best part of the UC saga? 0079 or 0096? Have a good time with ZZ, yes it's not good but at least some interesting ideas were thrown in it and some episodes were genuinely good (not a great achievement, I admit). |
Rei_IIIOct 11, 2019 4:02 AM
| Really epic ending if you ask me! This sure was intense as hell, really do wonder what the next season in this franchise will have to offer, but for this season it sure was a hell of a ride! While it started quite slow, and rather boring, after episode 15 it sure got a lot better all of the sudden! In general a great watch of this quite classic Gundam series! @Rei366 Thanks for the info, however I never skip episodes ;) |
RafaelDeJonghMar 3, 2017 5:08 AM
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| What a ride. Splendid ending. |
| So ends this 50 episode journy. The show started off so damn good and at first my expectations were exceeded. Then the show started to go in the direction of personal relationships and that's basically was the main part of the show.. and yikes. The characters were petulant brats and it's bad that I enjoyed the majority of the protagonists getting offed more than the antagonists. I'm surprised how well loved this show is; I just did not see it. Mobile Suit Gundam was far more superior to Zeta. I feel bad because the majority of my posts were mostly negative throughout the show. A lot of the posters on here really gave some thought on what was going on with the show.. while I complained.. but can you blame me? Anyway, I give the show 6 out of 10. Now onto ZZ Gundam.. watch me like this emphmis show more :). |
| Tomino's flock has not yet been arrested, but in the end somebody has escaped to it or almost. Anime series interesting, I never bored during her vision. |
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| Really liked the decision to make the protagonist of the series mad after all of he did, witnessed, plus his new power & bad guy last attack(?) but I can give this show a pass for the lack of coherent story in the sense that characters did irrational things in the middle of combat (I know humans tend to think with emotions and not with their minds) and not pay the consequences (that is until espoused 49) plus they left so much out of the table (Haman & Char relationship, Origin of some of the Cyber-newtype and many more things left unanswered)… having said that I contradict myself and I did give this show a pass because it was made way back (1985) and it has an splendid art those things made me not drop my score lower. |
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| I enjoyed it way more than mobile suit gundam. Which I enjoyed a fair bit. R.I.P. Apolly and Roberto. Will never be forgotten. |
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| I don't see why those people are saying this is the best Gundam series of all. 4/10 |
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| The ending felt strangely fitting in the way it ended on a blank note with no "epilogue" of any kind - there's Fa towing the two Gundams' remains back to the ship, with tragic music playing in the background - and THE END, that's it. The seeming "emptiness" of it felt almost sublime, frankly. The sight of Kamille opening his visor and trying to get out, coupled with Fa's shocked and tearful reaction, made me think the scene was more symbolic i.e. Kamille had died and what the audience was seeing was actually the sight of his now-relieved soul trying to "go into the light" or such (In fact, my crazy theory was that However, this was before I started off on ZZ just hours later, where coincidentally enough, |
MisterGibbonMay 22, 2018 1:08 AM
| This anime was messing, and I took many breaks in watching all 50 episodes. This was such a messy production that it would be justly ridiculed if anything like it came out today. That's why I'm so amazed that Zeta Gundam is so highly regarded. From reading the comments, it sounds like this anime delivers for people who were able to connect to the characters and events, and was a painful watch for those who didn't. Watching this anime has given me a much greater understanding about the divisions within the Gundam fan-base, and that Gundam means different things to different people. Kamille pretty much became a soul vampire at the end there, who apparently became the authority of life and death. It was surprisingly fitting to see him end up the way he did. I didn't care for Kamille much as both a person and a pilot, so I'm actually happy that he wasn't able to overtake Amuro's Kill count from the One Year War even though Kamille had more episodes to work with. Kamille and Zeta Gundam had the same problem of too much unrealized potential. Amuro Ray Kill Count: 0 kills this episode 8 kills this war 85 kills total Kamille Bidan Kill Count: 1 Kill this episode 71 Kills total Gundam Ace Rankings: 1. Amuro Ray, 85 kills 2. Kamille Bidan, 71 kills |
| This was a beautifully tragic ending that really makes sense considering the carnage that led up to it. As for the series as a whole, I was never really found any of the characters relatable or endearing. Kamille grew a lot though, and I ended up liking him when I was skeptical at first. After Haman shows up the plot goes into blitzkrieg mode, and this is a pretty fast paced series to begin with. I think I would need to rewatch, or at least read up, to really understand Kamille's character as it seemed like there's something there I may have missed. The stuff with the power of the dead may have been interesting, and perhaps it was a little emotionally powerful, but it felt somewhat out of place. Thematically, it really expanded on what we see in 0079. This was war may even be more meaningless and it's even more brutal (the gas attacks, etc.) I really liked it, but I don't love it. It improved a lot in various departments over the first series, but it also lacked something. Overall an entertaining experience and you can totally see the impact it had on the industry. The mobile suit designs are absolutely incredible. |
syncrogazerNov 18, 2018 9:54 AM
| I was intrigued and hyped for this show at the beginning, but it lost a lot of steam during the middle section, was too slow paced for me, with hardly any plot development, many important infos were casually dropped here and there, and it took me months to get through these episodes. Luckily I got my motivation back eventually. The last quarter and it became one hell of a ride, especially these final episodes. The cast was fine too, I really like how human they were. Flawed humans, one part I like about Gundam. Initially I wanted to go with a 6/10, the way things wrapped up was pretty cool , tho and I can't ignore such an impactful ending. Therefore 7/10 |
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| What a depressing ending. Really bummed that Emma died and I feel really sorry for Kamillie after all he went through. He didn't deserve this. I quite enjoyed this series, tho so many of characters were so stupid and annoying. |
| wait did kamille actually go blind lol? way to cripple amuro v2 for life... |
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HibiChika said: wait did kamille actually go blind lol? way to cripple amuro v2 for life... No. Kamille didn't go blind. He was driven mad by Scirocco. His mind is gone. |
| While I really like the pessimistic ending, with Kamille losing his mind after all the carnage he couldn't prevent, the rest of this show was a badly written mess. It was incoherent, repetitive, unimaginative, annoying, and really really boring. 0079 had its problems, but it was way more engaging: it had likeable characters so every death was tragic (instead I just cheered every time a named character died in Zeta), it wasn't a simplistic good vs evil story so even minor enemy deaths felt gut wrenching, Amuro's brattiness made complete sense as he was just a kid under too much pressure (unlike Kamille, Fa or Katz who became pilots for no good reason), and combat was better choreographed and felt more meaningful and dangerous (even if Amuro was too OP most of the times). It was a much better show than Zeta. 4/10. |
| Very flawed series. Inconsistent characters. Plot armors. Overused drama. Well I think it's still good for 80's anime, I enjoyed watching this and never get bored. Emma probably was the best character. Reccoa and Katz were trash. 6/10 Time to watch some other Gundam series. The Origin maybe. |
blessofcurseSep 18, 2019 12:39 AM
| well just like any ending for any gundam series it just ends after the batter with not much else said and thats one thing i'll always hate about gundam period with that said zeta was good but my god all the cyber new types was annoying as it was always the same type of shit with each one and imo it killed my hype for zeta period went from loving it to getting really annoyed with it with that said in the end the only one i was hoping not to die was Fa as imo she was one of the better characters in zeta despite her not getting as much screen time as i would have liked her to have but yeah all in all zeta was good but a good amount of it was BS also was nice to have had amuro back in as every part with his was amazing really hoping for more of him soon imo the original gundam is still the best of the U.C gundam series imo as zeta could have taken that but my god there was just to much dumb shit in zeta to take the place of the original well no i still find Unicorn to be the best of the U.C gundam as i have seen it before and loved every bit of it but yeah heres hoping ZZ is good even though i heard a lot of people say should just skip but ill give it a watch regardless |
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| For those who just finished this series, here's a post-Zeta interview of Tomino, freshly translated ! http://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=7832 May 1, 2020 @BrumaHobo Not a problem for me ! It got us a certain film and I love Amuro. While it would have been very appropriate to Zeta, I think that it would have too strongly undermined the original's finale. PS: glad I reached someone, I was sure this would go unnoticed for months or years. I invite you to browse the website further, there are some nice things. (sorry for the shameful advertisement but if you might be interested in some articles I compulsed on a MAL blog page.) I already struggled through Zeta, I would never be able to forgive him bfor Amuro's death at that time, I imagine. ^^" PPS: nice to meet someone else who doesn't put Zeta above 0079. August 29, 2020 @Unowen @St0rmblade I think zeonic scanlation finalized his translation of Zeta's original draft if you're interested. |
Rei_IIIAug 28, 2020 7:48 PM
Rei_III said: For those who just finished this series, here's a post-Zeta interview of Tomino, freshly translated ! http://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=7832 Thanks for sharing. Seems like Tomino didn't have the guts to shoot Amuro through the leg and let him bleed to death, what a shame. |
| Remember when the show had Kai? Amuro? Beltorchika? Me neither. Well, it's for the better without Beltorchika, but still. So many characters were just dropped and never received any closure within the scope of the show at all. Emma’s death was probably the only one that made me a tiny bit sad. Though the part about absorbing her life and will was obscure o_o When Haman turned around to see Scirocco, Char could’ve taken his gun back! I'm so picky again! Char “died”… given that CCA exists and there's a broken Hyaku Shiki at the end, I’m not really shaken, though the original viewers of the show back when it first aired probably were. Kamille got a massive power-up again and finished Scirocco off in a glorious way. Though his schizophrenia seems to be intensifying (because of Sciroco’s psychic attack or something?), my boy completely lost his mind after the battle. And so, Zeta just…ended. Most people are dead and Kamille has gone crazy. Char probably escaped somewhere somehow. Guess such an abrupt ending is to be expected since ZZ is a direct sequel or something. I still don’t know who’s the girl in the ED. But anyway, Zeta didn't end up being as awesome as many fans seem to see it. There were quite some interesting ideas, both plot-wise and animation-wise, but never fully explored. At several points in the series I found myself noting some visual quirk that had been added, like signal flares, or those flashes with character faces arranged on screen in different geometric forms, or lighting effects from explosions and all that. It was cool. As for the plot, many things could've happened...but didn't. Zeta wasted a huge amount of time on characters that might have been relevant but were too poorly written for the viewer to appreciate that fact. But even more time was wasted on totally pointless space battles that often didn't bring anything at all to the table, neither in terms of plot nor character development. It could've been at least somewhat tolerable if the battles weren't so formulaic - starting mostly after the eyecatches (that is, in the 2nd half of the episode), and taking the entirety of the remaining time. It was predictable and pretty annoying. I felt like the series should've been 2 times shorter. And I got pretty tired of countless mobile suit designs (which names I didn't even bother to remember since Gundam has the most obnoxius names I've ever witnessed). Maybe this constant parade of new mobile suits has something to do with selling toys and dragging the show for so long in constant futile battles. And the characters...I didn't grow on most of them as much as I did on the original crew from White Base. Frankly, the characters that I liked in Zeta, I already liked from the original movie trilogy (plus the Origin manga which is awesome and everyone should read it) - Bright, Char, Amuro, and those who cameo'd - Mirai, Kai, etc. Kamille received a good development and a tragic fate, sure, but he's one character, there's a plethora of others who could've been better. Even then, not everyone's story was closed - Kai just wrote a letter saying that "He's a CHAR", and disappeared for making his own "investigations" (of which we never learn anything) only to have a cameo during Char's Dakar speech. Sayla didn't make it into the show at all, aside from one cameo, which really disappointed me since she was in my top 3 of Gundam characters (alongside with Char and Amuro, followed by Bright and some interesting antagonists like Kycilia and Ramba Ral). Sayla's disappearance is probably not Tomino's fault (from what I get, her seiyuu wasn't available), but still. Amuro just remained on Earth with Hayato and Beltorchika and didn't even make a single appearance on screen after Char and Kamille departed for space. Fa...existed. Can't say a lot about her. And Char could've had a bigger role and presence in the show, I think! Though he was a somewhat good mentor. But it's too long to write about every character; anyway, they could've been better. And now the deaths in the final episode. They hardly impacted me, really, which is a sign of how well (or not) they're written for me. I didn't cry or feel sad about anyone's death, even though the show had plenty of time to develop those characters (50 episodes!!! That's a lot). It's probably a wrong thing to do but I'm comparing it to LOGH which established so much more in terms of characters and the world in a similar amount of time, and I was *devastated* by the deaths of characters in this show. Maybe it's wrong to compare Zeta with a show that's hailed as a masterpiece and one of the best anime of all time, but why not? It's showing how good a series can be and how much potential can be used in such a long amount of time. Instead it got wasted on fight-of-the-week (or maybe of the day?) stuff. Most of the antagonists were really uninspiring. I'm looking forward to Haman and Mineva, but the rest...just meh. I don't want to waste symbols to write about them. Given how many people hail Zeta as the best Gundam ever (certainly not the case, I think 0079 and 0080 were better, and 08th MS Team was too, probably), I wonder how I'll react to ZZ, which seems to be super divisive, from being "the worst thing in existence made to destroy the franchise" to "hey that's actually pretty good". I wonder if it's that necessary to sit through another 50 episodes to get to CCA but I'll probably will. How can't I? I'm still invested in Char, Amuro. Bright, Kai, Haman, Mineva and the others. And I want Sayla back! Probably won't happen but the hope is still there. Gonna dig some post-zeta interviews now and try not to spoil myself on anything. Whew, that's a big rant. Anyway, Zeta is 6-7/10 for me. I expected more, but there were too much problems and unexplored ideas and characters. The last 12-15 episodes were pretty decent, though not without their problems too. I also wonder whether I should watch the remake movies. I probably will, but somewhere later (maybe after 0083, the "prequel"). There's also an episode-long side-story. Rei_III said: Katz was a "trash" as an actual person (and "trash" persons exist) but as a character was used very well by the series, especially in the way the creator chose to terminate him (through his end and his survival before, the "lesson" was greatly portrayed). I agree here. I wasn't really pissed off at Katz like many people seem to be. He was a kid after all, and did reckless (and obviously unwise) things, but got lucky all the time. Not in episode 49 though. The fact that a 14 year old kid died alone in space by smashing in a meteoriteand blowing up while inside a tiny ship is pretty tragic if you ask me. Add to this the fact that a 14 year old kid killed the girl he loved. Oh wow. Katz's story wasn't well executed, sure, but he served a useful role inside the universe, and was a tragic character - for himself, for those whom he loved, and for those who loved him. Now I get what you meant by mentioning one of the orphan kids back in the forum thread about the first MSG movie, like he had a big payoff and all that. I'm now browsing through some of the illustrations for Zeta made by Yasuhiko and they look awesome. I wish he remade Zeta into an awesome manga like he did with The Origin. P.S. Just gonna drop a compilation of all slaps in Zeta here https://youtu.be/GAJhEuKOzro Rei_III said: For those who just finished this series, here's a post-Zeta interview of Tomino, freshly translated ! http://www.zeonic-republic.net/?page_id=7832 Thanks for the link, I remember it from your blog post. Tomino surely likes to kill his characters (of which I was vaguely aware after being spoiled about a certain show). He's quite a pessimist. And wow, he mentions that "Char's Counterattack" was a supplementary title for Zeta? That's unexpected and makes me question the status of ZZ. It's also interesting how Tomino said that budget problems were actually good because Zeta would've ended up considerably worse, had he more creative freedom. Weird point of view. P.P.S. It took me 50 episodes to remember that Char has a scar because of his swordfight with Amuro at the end of the OYW. I also realized that Amuro never met Bright throughout the entirety of Zeta! I think zeonic scanlation finalized his translation of Zeta's original draft if you're interested. I started tracking down his activity a while ago, so I've seen that already. Tomino really had some strange things in his mind (especially about Char and Shakti, took me a while to realize that Tomino was not talking about a character from Victory) |
St0rmbladeAug 29, 2020 12:18 AM
| Somehow a hastier ending than 0079's, when that was the prematurely cancelled series. Not a bad watch, but I take 0079 over Zeta any day. I was surprised about how well-rounded the characters ended up being there, even most of the secondary ones. Sure, the deaths were foreseeable, but even those characters were given enough screen time to have a serviceable impact in the story and the main crew. Zeta on the other hand opts to not kill many of these characters, dragging their issues instead (like Reccoa or Jerid) and then just suddenly killing them like this. So despite the high number, I can't say I was surprised by almost any of the deaths. All in all the first ~20 eps were pretty good, but then the series insisted too much in the cyber-newtypes, re-using the "lover dying" cliché at least 5 times (because Lalah wasn't enough) and well, the script as a whole turned less interesting and stale, never forgetting to paint the Titans as vile tyrants that wipe out colonies with no contemplation. Respect where is due, I liked the show's visuals and the improved world building, i.e. in how the colonies are shown in much more detail than in the previous installment. |
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