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| I knew it. They deviated from the manga. I fell in love with this show immediately after episode 1 and the show looks very spoiler-heavy so I avoided the discussion board. But this episode felt rushed and seems out of place so I checked discussions and as expected, CloverWorks is doing its things again. It still baffles me why this studio always wants to 'end' shows in just one season or two with rushed and condensed plot points from the original source. I'd really prefer an open ending or a cliffhanger instead of adaptation like this, seriously. Now I happened to know the major reveal such as "living dolls are humans" but half-heartedly. Reading the manga won't feel the same anymore cuz now I've lost the buildup and surprise factor. They did the same with Promised Neverland adaptation but I didn't like that one very much from the start so it didn't leave much impact but I'm really salty for Shadows House this time cuz this is such an amazing show at first. Before anyone defending CloverWorks saying "the author changed it, not the studio", I know. The author can tweet or whatever as much as they want about how 'they' changed the ending, I don't believe any author wants to change their original writing and chance for a next season unless they receive consultations (or even pressure) from the studio who's making it. *sigh* It won't feel the same like I said above but I guess I'll go read the manga. I don't have any expectation for last 2 episodes anymore. Judging from the title, the gang will probably go and fight (or use TnJ) against this 'Lord Grandfather', win, and live happily ever after. Can anyone tell me from which chapter should I continue reading? Or should I read from the start anyway? |
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| Ah, a lot of revelations this episode, expanded their world-building element for once, eh? Finally Emilico got freed from the shackles of Lord Grandfather brainwashing. The idea was simple, just let her drinking as much as water she needed, consuming half of the water vessel as a result. A little flashback from Emilico diary also became a good recap to be considered. So, yeah! Kate explained Emilico much things. Kate looked even smarter, broadminded, with a lot of knowledges than i expected before. How the hell she got that much informations? Oh, right, don't fret such a trivial matters. The village part. Ofc the soot coal being the one behind all of those absolute obedience. Well, those John-Shaun fist fight naturally beyond my expectation. Its even freed him too from those brainwashing? Well, okay, i guess. Then, its about time, Edward launched his sneaky plan, abducted Emilico like that by disguising as a veiled doll? Unexpected, moreover with the latest scene when all the kids shadow master decided to helping Kate, for once more. Louise reason get a spotlight from me cause its really straight-forward: she detested him, nothing else! As interesting as this plot proceeded, a lot of questions emerge to the surface. But, as a good motto from this series come as a remainder, i will hold on those shits for a while until the final episode. Lets see.... |
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Renkini said: I knew it. They deviated from the manga. I fell in love with this show immediately after episode 1 and the show looks very spoiler-heavy so I avoided the discussion board. But this episode felt rushed and seems out of place so I checked discussions and as expected, CloverWorks is doing its things again. It still baffles me why this studio always wants to 'end' shows in just one season or two with rushed and condensed plot points from the original source. I'd really prefer an open ending or a cliffhanger instead of adaptation like this, seriously. Now I happened to know the major reveal such as "living dolls are humans" but half-heartedly. Reading the manga won't feel the same anymore cuz now I've lost the buildup and surprise factor. They did the same with Promised Neverland adaptation but I didn't like that one very much from the start so it didn't leave much impact but I'm really salty for Shadows House this time cuz this is such an amazing show at first. Before anyone defending CloverWorks saying "the author changed it, not the studio", I know. The author can tweet or whatever as much as they want about how 'they' changed the ending, I don't believe any author wants to change their original writing and chance for a next season unless they receive consultations (or even pressure) from the studio who's making it. *sigh* It won't feel the same like I said above but I guess I'll go read the manga. I don't have any expectation for last 2 episodes anymore. Judging from the title, the gang will probably go and fight (or use TnJ) against this 'Lord Grandfather', win, and live happily ever after. Can anyone tell me from which chapter should I continue reading? Or should I read from the start anyway? Finally someone who understands that just because the author tweets something, doesn't mean it's true. Just read the manga from the start, they changed shit so if you start where the anime is now, you would have missed out on a lot. |
| kate forcing emilico to drink so much until she puked was hard to watch, john and shaun getting into a physical fight was nice, different methods but hey they both worked. did cloverwork change some stuff again? i mean they already changed some stuff from when they wiped out [beep] but mmmm hope they dont fuck it up too bad at least. |
| As an anime only watcher I knew this was a rushed situation. Drink a lot of water to recover? Kate figured out the origin of the world simply by reading Emiliko's diary? Kate KNOWS what a human is? Bitch you're a black organism, how could you possibly know what it's like to be a human? Simply horrible. |
 I don't watch as much anime as before... |
Infatuate said: Should we tell him?As an anime only watcher I knew this was a rushed situation. Drink a lot of water to recover? Kate figured out the origin of the world simply by reading Emiliko's diary? Kate KNOWS what a human is? Bitch you're a black organism, how could you possibly know what it's like to be a human? Simply horrible. |
| I'm an anime-only watcher as with all series, so I really do not actually care at all what is or isn't in the manga (or any other source material) and what is or isn't in the anime relative to that. If I watch a series, I'm watching it to see the story that series - its televised iteration - tells, and don't care what happens pertaining to it in other mediums. But with that said, this was another very engaging episode (not at the dramatic heights of episode 10, but with every series there is an up and down with all episodes and you can't have every episode equally be all things at once), but I am a tad worried because, it was subtle, but the pacing and tempo suddenly seemed ratcheted up in comparison to the rest of the season which precedes it. Kate coming out with all that knowledge when we haven't seen anything leading up to the discovery process for her and not much time to really allow it to sink in with Emilico and the audience both before going on to meet John and the other shadows and have every encounter boom boom boom one after the other when the biggest revelations of the series are coming out seemed out of character with Kate's nature and the earlier season. There was: - The higher-ranking members of the Shadows family traveling to the village and showing the recruiting/abduction process by which human children are kidnapped, brainwashed/memory wiped, and turned into living dolls - Kate sharing with the audience and Emilico that she knows at least about part of all this which is going on - Kate restoring Emilico's memory and personality - Emilico being kidnapped - Kate recruiting John, Patrick, and Louise to help rescue Emilico In previous episodes, just one of these would have been the centerpiece of action and drama in an episode with a lot more dialogue/worldbuilding/character development apart from it. It's still my favorite series of the season (out of 11 shows of the season I've seen, no less!), but this is precisely what I dislike about most 11 - 13 episode series and how breakneck the pacing seemingly must inevitably become, especially in the last quarter of the season. I would really have preferred most of the episode just being devoted to Kate and Emilico coming to terms with this psychologically and emotionally after Emilico is healed physically, probing the implications of it, etc. and if time was spent on anything else, it could have gone toward filling out the backstory and explanation behind why exactly Kate knows any of this and how it has informed her actions and attitudes (towards Emilico, the other shadows and living dolls, and Shadows family and her position in the manor as a whole) up to this point. She has been reserved, cautious, and secretive up to this point. Can we explore more of why that is considering, going based off of what's depicted in the show, shadows are not supposed to have any innate personality and quirks until learning and being influenced by the behavior of their dolls and then their dolls picking it up back from them in turn in a feedback loop to create one whole person as the end result? So why would Kate have any reason to be so inherently wise, guarded, and mistrustful considering that's the opposite of how Emilico is shown to be? Exploration of any of these details could make an episode in and of itself. When it gets to such a point, I worry that there will be a war over time allocation for: A) The action required to drive the story forward - plot developments and B) Characters' reactions to said developments to actually make it feel sufficiently impactful |
WatchTillTandavaJun 20, 2021 10:33 AM
| Woah, what happened to the pacing here? After that impacful cliffhanger at the end of last episode, it felt like everything started moving way too quickly. From Kate easily finding out about how to undo the brainwashing to learning the truth of the Living Dolls (how did she so easily access that information that the nobles presumably want to keep hidden from younger Shadows?) to Emilico getting kidnapped literally minutes after Kate told her the truth, it all feels very rushed. Also, it feels very out of character for Kate to be so gung ho about telling everyone the truth, regardless of what happened to Emilico: does it not even once occur to her that she can't necessarly trust her fellow debutants or that they're being monitored, as they obviously must be for Emilico to be kidnapped so quickly after learning the truth? Even as someone who's yet to read the manga, I can tell this has deviated from the source material in much the same way Promised Neverland did. The leaps in logic and glossing over of crucial, world-changing details is alarmingly similar to what happened there. This show has been great so far, please don't let it fall apart at the end because of Cloverworks' incompetence. |
| This episode felt so off from all the other amazing ones and turns out it's because they're deviating a lot from the source. As expected... |
bagin said: I wonder what the ending of this show will be now that it's diverged lol really? what changed if it's not pain in the ass |
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| So... maybe I missed something but how does Kate know about the Shadow nobles visiting nearby villages to kidnap human kids? Other than that, another interesting episode. Emilico returned to her senses but was kidnapped by salty Edward so now it's Kate's turn to strengthen their bond by saving her. Parts with Lou's changing moods and John's manly way to bring Shaun back from soot oblivion were quite funny, by the way. And on a side note, people complaining about the anime "diverging" from the manga are such a pain. The author himself already tweeted about the reasons behind this and if there's a chance of a second season in the future, he and the team will make the necessary changes to connect the dots, narratively speaking. |
aryandil said: sbenela said: they modified the plot so much and never talked about kate being able to whats up with emilico being kidnapped as well?? cloverworks please dont fuck this up anymore bro i get you're upset but don't go around spoiling manga-only content openly thank you for telling me!! i edited the post to put a spoiler warning i was really heated while writing that comment but it really wasnt okay for me to spoil, sorry about that |
| I dont like this episode, not because I read manga but with changes, they killed pace of this segment and it feels too rushed. Maybe ep 12 will patch it but for now it's the weakest episode. Yup I read manga, but Im not hater of some changes. |
sbenela said: thank you for telling me!! i edited the post to put a spoiler warning i was really heated while writing that comment but it really wasnt okay for me to spoil, sorry about that no worries; thanks for going back to edit. |
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| Lot of people already declaring this a TPN 2.0. As an anime-only, before this thread, I didn't really notice anything too strange other than Kate revealing things so quickly. With the mangaka pitching in I still have hope this will have a good ending. |
| it's torture drinking all that water, but it's necessary to cure the brainwashing. Kate really cares for Emilico. Punching each other, also remove the brainwashing, as John showed. I wonder how they will end the anime. Only two more episode to go. looking forward to next week! :) |
Liddo-kunJun 24, 2021 4:28 PM
| Just like I (and probably just about everyone else) thought the "Living Dolls" are just humans. I just wonder how on Earth the younger dolls-in-training manage to survive with mere bread. Perhaps it is not simple bread and is full of nutrients? At first I thought Edward or one his assistants abducted Emilico to have her brainwashing restored and question her about Kate and her intentions. It rather seems that they are just using Emilico as bait for Kate (and anyone who will help her; perhaps everyone of this generation, since they all agreed to rescue Emilico, albeit for different reasons). So even if Emilico was still brainwashed she would have probably been abducted all the same. There was a tiny shadow spy (possibly spawned by Edward) in the room where Kate talked to the other recent debuts about Emilico, so Edward and co must be aware of the upcoming rescue effort. It's also possible that Edward and everyone except Grandpa Boss cannot spawn new shadow parasites; in that case (since Edward's operation is clandestine) the spy was sent by Grandpa himself. I haven't read the source material but it feels as if the pacing has been rushed after a rather slow start and mid part of the season. Just about every secret has been disclosed now, so it looks like Cloverworks are planning to wrap everything up in just 13 episodes. The purpose of Shadow House is presumably to gather as many suitable human hosts for the soot-like fairy parasites as possible. Just like any organism it needs to procreate and multiply; eventually perhaps expand beyond that mansion. |
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| Even if they though kate was unloyal.. would they really just kill one of their own? and if they do.. won't that just create more distrust? Seems like a slippery slope. |
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| Oh so they were human after all. I figured they were in the first episode then I bought the whole story of them being created by a grandfather because I didn't have any evidence to prove they were human. When Emilico fell from the window they didn't seem injured so I was like, "oh she's not human" lol I'm glad to see the shadows helping out the humans. They're not all bad. I mean obviously, they have their own personalities and some even love their human/living doll way too much like Louise loves Lou. I'm going to most likely read the manga after I finish the next episode. |
| 臭い- |
| This is some reverse "Get Out" shit |
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| I like how people are quick to be disappointed once they heard "anime original" in this episode's forum, when us manga readers clearly knows that this will not conclude faithfully. The thing about it is that AFTER the debut arc, the manga clearly didn't set off a buffer zone to transition into a new arc or story, which is why this anime will definitely have an anime-original ending. I would rather take an original ending compared to an ending that is faithful to the manga but will leave off in an unfinished note. |
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| Gotta love John and Shaun, punching it out to get rid of the brainwashing. Although unexpected to see Kate ask the others for help since she's kind of a lone wolf, still nice alliance formed there just to defeat Edward lol. |
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| Smart of Kate reading Emilico's diary, she found out that water was the 'cure'. So the Shadow House brings soot coal to the villagers and they offer their kids because they're brainwashed by the soot.. everyone loses, except the Shadow House. Now the whole gang will group against the House! |
| Knowing that the shadow masters take over the living dolls bodies was one creepy thing, and knowing that the living dolls are actually human is a totally different creepy thing. I thought they were carved out of wood and were animated by some sort of magic. The shadows practically possess humans. |
If you are going to disagree with me, don't bother talking to me. I will seriously hurt you! |
Facccctttts this is how i feeel VERT! Dropped it ep 4-5 first time and scored a 2-3 read manga and it was fuckin awesome, scored a 10 Rewatched anime it got a lil better eps 5 and beyond was like ight, maybe itll be a 7 - then the end, totally retconeddddddddd just some bulllshittttt right there man.... |
| i find it suspicious that louise brushed off the issue of kate's face being missing to showcase her dangerous ability to affect her own face's (and possibly other's) emotions, yet still agreed to help out because "lou could have had her face scratched!" while everyone else was listing legitimate reasons to hate edward. i had my bets placed on both actual living dolls created by the lord or humans equally. i thought it was strange that they were apparently built "so well" as dolls that no water or sand, etc. foreign particles could enter their body. but i was also under the idea that perhaps it was true. the disappointing outcome of the two was the "living dolls" being human, it's more extraordinary to see dolls break out of their own hollow shell than to see humans being... humans. it looks like the time is coming soon to read the manga... |
| It wasn’t a surprise that the dolls are actually human but what was a surprise is that the other Shadow Children were so willing to help Kate. I guess that goes to show how much they love their dolls ❤️ |
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| Now everything is starting to speed up but nothing like being in a hurry and having to watch two guys fighting because why not. |
| The fucked up truth is here, Shadows house being a fraudulent company build upon nothing but lies. Kids were normal human all along, but these creeps altered the whole fucking existence of them. Hope they suffer in the most detestable way possible. Kate opening up and asking the other three for help was a pleasant surprise, heck she's the MVP for this whole damn episode. |
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| Finally the "dolls" being brainwashed humans is revealed and somehow some people still suprised pikachu'ed at that despite it being criminically obvious since what seems like forever lmao This was overrall a cool ep but there's a lot of things that don't make sense. As some people have already pointed out, Kate's actions were so weird this episode, like telling John okay I guess I could kind of get that, but why on earth would she trust Louise and Patrick so easily?? Tell them everything just like that when she could be outed as a traitor... And how did she find out about literally e v e r y t h i n g on her own and for how long has she known... They will reveal all this later on, I know, but still seems kinda cheap. You'd think the evil shadows would be more careful to hide from everyone the cure being water but no.... Also lmao @ Shaun's reaction to him being told he's a human just smiling like "lol ok" |
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This was damn funny imo even though it shouldnt be. Can't wait for next episode. Also soot and coal is bad. Along with dark coffee. |
 Without change,we end up becoming the very person we hate. I was dead until the moment I met you. I was a powerless corpse pretending to be alive. Living without power, without the ability to change my course, was bound to lead me to a slow death. |
| I love how Emilico's feelings about Ram are kind of mirrored for the viewers. In Emilico's case, she was sad about her death, but all she could remember was happiness due to the coffee. Meanwhile, for the viewers, it's very difficult to be happy for Kate and Emilico passing their debut when you just saw Ram's shadow fade away right when they were getting along so well. That entire celebration just felt empty and it's impressive how they were able to pull that off and play with your emotions so effectively. |
| You would think Kate was trying to kill Emilico via hyponatremia there with how much water she was made to drink. It makes John's "punch each other out" cure look pleasant in comparison. Whatever works, lol. |
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Though I read that it's different from the original source, I still enjoyed this episode. On the anime watcher pov, it's interesting to see that the living dolls are actually human chosen by the Shadow Family. Although I hope there will be a flashback on how Kate found the information. It's also nice to see all of them act together to save Emilico and this is funny tho: |
  ★━━─ 𝘏𝘰𝘸 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘐 𝘣𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘱𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘺 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘵? 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘪𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘥𝘢𝘺? |
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