Chihayafuru
Nefregar said: I wonder what they're gonna write about this in their seasonal statistics article thingy. Probably just pretend it doesnt exist. |
Lel0uchZer0 said: pretty easy to create a bot or program to do it if you have the knowledge to. I'm pretty sure that guy didn't do it manually at least Mayuka said: Chihayafuru season 3 was beating someone's fave anime (Vinland Saga) - Allegedly There's no way all this damage is done by the vinland saga comunity |
KireiHanabi said: This all the way. The FMA fandom has many fans that are also full of shit these days since many of them down vote any competing series. It was an amazing manga, it's been over 10 years since its end and there are better manga and anime out now (like SnK which filled the hole in em that FMA left when it ended) but this is MAL now. This is ssiue won't eb fixed for a long time if ever.rooru-kun said: You just can't rely on Mal scores anymore. It's just what MAL community has become.They even went out with their facebook campaign of highest rated series of 2019 including ongoing shows ignoring completely Chihayafuru issue. They don't give a sh"t if their credibility is on the floor. |
Lel0uchZer0 said: actually something like this can only happen to chihayafuru since it's viewer base is already so small. it's a very niche anime but something like AOT s4, you would need like 100,000 bots to lower it's score whereas, chihayafuru you only needed 1000+ to make a significance dropImagine what will happen when aot season 4 will air and believe me...it will dethrone FMAB for a while... if they cannot solve this it's gonna be another bloodbath and it's their fault for allowing it Lel0uchZer0 said: Mayuka said: pretty easy to create a bot or program to do it if you have the knowledge to. I'm pretty sure that guy didn't do it manually at least If this is done by ONE person this is extremely embarassing for MAL cause it means i can be tracked in an instant not if you setup different ip addresses per bot.. which is also doable. |
Lel0uchZer0 said: by the times the moderators/admins noticed, it was too late :( Mayuka said: actually something like this can only happen to chihayafuru since it's viewer base is already so small. it's a very niche anime but something like AOT s4, you would need like 100,000 bots to lower it's score whereas, chihayafuru you only needed 1000+ to make a significance drop not if you setup different ip addresses per bot.. which is also doable. Yes but the bots acted in a little period of time Few days at most Still embarassing i think only 3-4 of them are in charge of these things? the rest of the staff are in charge of other things like database (like approving new manga) |
Lel0uchZer0 said: I don't think LOTGH will benefit much considering a lot of trolls I have seen give LOTGH a 10 for example there are accounts named gingaboost which were created solely to boost LOTGH scores. The only ones to actually benefit would be gintama entries. Either way, HxH and FMA:B would see some drop in the score.noregretmyman said: nah they're not gonna fix the bot problem,imagine the shitshow if all anime entry,or those top 50 anime true scores suddenly got revealed,the ranking probably stay the same but the scores gonna change ,imagine pissing off all cancer anime fanbase at once,too much hassle. The rankings would not stay the same Both LOTGH and aot s3p2 would shoot up ahead of FMAB |
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| I was hoping they actually cared but I guess not. |
ACasualViewerDec 30, 2019 9:18 PM
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edelgord said: LOTGH is at a solid average rating of 9.04... what are you talking about?MAL only cares about keeping FMAB on the top. Poor Chihayafuru 3 and Lotgh. |
YoshiYogurt said: BNHA brainlets need to keep their shitty slideshow on top so they brigade the actual AOTS with 1 scores. Nothing can me done when this ancient website is run by a skeleton crew. I like both shows... |
| So, uh.... @Luna, as the year comes to a close, any news? I understand MAL's undergoing a lot right now and trying to make sure that whatever new solution is implemented is robust and accurate, but it's been a while now and seeing the news dry up, want to confirm that a solution's still in the works. |
| You have shit taste, and then I have taste so shit it makes your taste look good |
| By the way, I just wanted to say: I saw the score for the 3rd season and I was super confused. After reading this thread, I have started watching Chihayafuru. I always had this series on my list, but never got around to watching it. Funny because I probably would have skipped out on this series for a while if this scoring incident never happened. It's not a big "fuck you" to whoever is doing this crap, but I love my Slice of Life genre. I sincerely appreciate everyone's passion and I hope I will come to treasure Chihayafuru as well. |
MaskOfIce said: So, uh.... @Luna, as the year comes to a close, any news? I understand MAL's undergoing a lot right now and trying to make sure that whatever new solution is implemented is robust and accurate, but it's been a while now and seeing the news dry up, want to confirm that a solution's still in the works. Kineta just wrote something about it in the New Year announcement: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1818295 Rating Troll Score Fluctuations—We have been investigating backend changes to combat and prevent score fluctuations due to malicious up/down-voting accounts and plan to implement code for this problem in the beginning of the new year. Please be patient with us for a bit longer, and I will write a site announcement as soon as we have begun implementing changes. I'm not closely involved in the actual work of the devs so I don't know about the different stages of new feature implementations and why exactly the actual implementation has not started yet. From what I know, MD's devs work very carefully though and make sure to understand and plan things before starting to implement something what might break or be problematic so that's probably the case here. That and the fact that no one is working during Christmas holidays. Hopefully the things can be implemented quickly once they're back working. |
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| Just came to see if this show was done yet so I could binge it but then I saw the score and feared it was actually mediocre but luckily it was just bots downvoting this and the manga. Its prob as good as usual. |
Mayuka said: edelgord said: LOTGH is at a solid average rating of 9.04... what are you talking about?MAL only cares about keeping FMAB on the top. Poor Chihayafuru 3 and Lotgh. LOTGH is a solid 9.04 because he has the highest percentage of 1/10 out of all Top 10 anime while also having the highest percentage of 10/10 ... hmmm.. |
| Really hope the mods do something about this. I don't even watch the show (but plan to) however, when you have such a disparity between scores of 1, and then scores of 2,3,4 and 5 there's clearly some trolling going on. |
Hopefully the things can be implemented quickly once they're back working. Going by how long the API is taking, don't count on it being soon. |
| Just looked at the anime of the decade list for MAL... Lets look at 2019 shall we? Oh whats this? No Chihayafuru 3 in the top 10 for score? MHHHHH I WONDER WHY? If they truly TRULY cared, they wouldve done an honorable mention for Chihayafuru 3. Or put us on the list with an *. But they didnt do any of that. They simply pretended it doesnt exist. That is unexcusable. |
FionavarJan 2, 2020 7:10 AM
fubukyx said: can you find accounts where they only watched LOTGH and rated it 1/10? If so, bring it up with the MAL staff.Mayuka said: LOTGH is at a solid average rating of 9.04... what are you talking about? LOTGH is a solid 9.04 because he has the highest percentage of 1/10 out of all Top 10 anime while also having the highest percentage of 10/10 ... hmmm.. Otherwise, I'm sure there are plenty of fanboys of FMA, Steins Gate, AOT, and whatnot fans that have spite rated it 1/10 since they're def not gonna watch such an old anime. Unfortunately, there's not much the Mods can do about spite rating since they are still legit accounts. |
Fionavar said: Just looked at the anime of the decade list for MAL... Lets look at 2019 shall we? Oh whats this? No Chihayafuru 3 in the top 10 for score? MHHHHH I WONDER WHY? If they truly TRULY cared, they wouldve done an honorable mention for Chihayafuru 3. Or put us on the list with an *. But they didnt do any of that. They simply pretended it doesnt exist. That is unexcusable. That's why I wrote earlier that the end of a year for anime industry isn't 31st of December. They wanted to do the top 10 as quickly as possible to have an excuse to say that some shows are "still airing" (they did that as an excuse that somehow My Hero Academia isn't among top 10 and that they couldn't fix Chihayafuru before making top 10 without addressing the issue properly). I am quite positive that if My Hero Academia S4 or Fruits Basket would have been finishing its run on lets say 28th of December they would have waited with making the list till it would have finished just so it can get higher place but since that wasn't the case or as a matter of fact quite the opposite they did it before some shows could have ended or like in Chihayafuru's case before its score could have been officially fixed. I somehow can't imagine myself a situation where instead of Chihayafuru the problem would concern for example My Hero Academia and they would go with the list before fixing the problem and even if they did (which is very unlikely) there would be a sign bigger than the whole list screaming that My Hero Academia's rating has been messed with and that an updated list will be presented as soon as it has been fixed - on behalf of fairness <wink wink> Edit: fixing some typos |
LinaerisJan 2, 2020 8:25 AM
Linaeris said: Fionavar said: Just looked at the anime of the decade list for MAL... Lets look at 2019 shall we? Oh whats this? No Chihayafuru 3 in the top 10 for score? MHHHHH I WONDER WHY? If they truly TRULY cared, they wouldve done an honorable mention for Chihayafuru 3. Or put us on the list with an *. But they didnt do any of that. They simply pretended it doesnt exist. That is unexcusable. That's why I wrote earlier that the end of a year for anime industry isn't 31st of December. They wanted to do the top 10 as quickly as possible to have an excuse to say that some shows are "still airing" (they did that as an excuse that somehow My Hero Academia isn't among top 10) and that they couldn't fix Chihayafuru before making top 10. I am quite positive that if My Hero Academia S4 or Fruits Bakset would have been finishing its run on lets say 28th of December they would have waited with making the list till it would have finished just so it can get higher place but since that wasn't the case or as a matter of fact quite the opposite they did it before some shows could have ended or like in Chihayafuru's case before its score could have been officially fixed. I somehow can't imagine myself a situation where instead of Chihayafuru the problem would concern for example My Hero Academia and they would go with the list before fixing the problem and even if they did (which is very unlikely) there would be a sign bigger than the whole list screaming that My Hero Academia's rating has been messed with and that an updated list will be presented as soon as it has been fixed - on behalf of fairness <wink wink> Its just not fucking fair...Chihayafuru deserves better. |
| Yo when's this shit gonna get fixed? It's been a hot minute. |
Amano_Maya said: Still saw someone posted on Vinland Saga subreddit blaming them for giving 1's for Chihaya. Honestly don't get why it's still getting singled out. VS scores correspond to the manga though? The trolling is ridiculous. Any show airing with Chihaya can be blamed. It was done by people who downvoted chihayafuru AND upvoted vinland saga at the same time. Majority of the bots were like that. Also the downvoting started one or two days after Chihayafuru 3 overtook Vinland Saga on "Top Airing Anime" |
Amano_Maya said: Probably because it all started happening as soon as Chihayafuru surpassed Vinland Saga in score on MAL, and more imporantly a large amounts of the identified bot accounts that were downvoting Chihayafuru were also upvoting Vinland SagaStill saw someone posted on Vinland Saga subreddit blaming them for giving 1's for Chihaya. Honestly don't get why it's still getting singled out. VS scores correspond to the manga though? The trolling is ridiculous. Any show airing with Chihaya can be blamed. But yes it wasn't the only show being tampered with in the other direction, there were some other seasonals that were upvoted too. But it was the most prominent example |
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HaXXspetten said: Amano_Maya said: Probably because it all started happening as soon as Chihayafuru surpassed Vinland Saga in score on MAL, and more imporantly a large amounts of the identified bot accounts that were downvoting Chihayafuru were also upvoting Vinland SagaStill saw someone posted on Vinland Saga subreddit blaming them for giving 1's for Chihaya. Honestly don't get why it's still getting singled out. VS scores correspond to the manga though? The trolling is ridiculous. Any show airing with Chihaya can be blamed. But yes it wasn't the only show being tampered with in the other direction, there were some other seasonals that were upvoted too. But it was the most prominent example Lol. Almost wrote it at the same time :D |
| Are they going to fix this or not? |
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Amano_Maya said: HaXXspetten said: Probably because it all started happening as soon as Chihayafuru surpassed Vinland Saga in score on MAL, and more imporantly a large amounts of the identified bot accounts that were downvoting Chihayafuru were also upvoting Vinland Saga But yes it wasn't the only show being tampered with in the other direction, there were some other seasonals that were upvoted too. But it was the most prominent example Ohh they were? I believe Vinland scores didn't change much until the last 2 episodes. But if this were true then most shows have already been tampered. Well, the viewership for vinland was 10- 20 times chihaya, so less noticeable effect. Plus giving 1 affects rating 8 times more compared to rating 10. Combined tge rating changed by (say 1.6 (chihaya change) /(10-20)*8 = 0.01 -0.02) for vinland, not a noticeable effect, right!! |
shubh_jain_2Jan 5, 2020 12:32 AM
| 'I have no bonds tying me down. That's why I can see things as they are!!' - Yugami |
| It did nothing to deserve this, but Vinland fans are pretty much the saltiest on this site after FMA:B fans. |
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| Hi, mods. Please make sure this show can't be "completed". Summary Stats Watching: 20,218 Completed: 8 |
Mayuka said: If you set any currently airing show to completed it eventually moves by itself, not completely sure if to watching but most likely so. Those 8 completed must be recent, less than 24 hours I'd assume.Hi, mods. Please make sure this show can't be "completed". Summary Stats Watching: 20,218 Completed: 8 |
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Fionavar said: Just looked at the anime of the decade list for MAL... Lets look at 2019 shall we? Oh whats this? No Chihayafuru 3 in the top 10 for score? MHHHHH I WONDER WHY? If they truly TRULY cared, they wouldve done an honorable mention for Chihayafuru 3. Or put us on the list with an *. But they didnt do any of that. They simply pretended it doesnt exist. That is unexcusable. Actually, it seems that MAL staff decided to rush and took the data before 2019 anime finished airing. Here is a quote by Shymander (look at the comments on my profile for the source material) "All data was recorded on the 22nd of December." Some people brought this issue (concerning Chihayafuru S3) to him with apparently no result. I also wrote to point out that shows like Kono Oto Tomare! S2 should have been in the list (it finished airing the 29th of December and is now at 8.47). It makes little sense to take the average before the end of airing since most people wait for the end to rate a show, and the score usually improves at this moment (+0.3 in this case, but there are plenty of examples KnY, Vinland, etc). Pointing out that: "That's just how it will be—scores and members are always in motion as the site grows." is a poor justification since the evaluation was not fair because of the previous argument. Not that I care so much, but it just shows how things work here. |
Meusnier said: Fionavar said: Just looked at the anime of the decade list for MAL... Lets look at 2019 shall we? Oh whats this? No Chihayafuru 3 in the top 10 for score? MHHHHH I WONDER WHY? If they truly TRULY cared, they wouldve done an honorable mention for Chihayafuru 3. Or put us on the list with an *. But they didnt do any of that. They simply pretended it doesnt exist. That is unexcusable. Actually, it seems that MAL staff decided to rush and took the data before 2019 anime finished airing. Here is a quote by Shymander (look at the comments on my profile for the source material) "All data was recorded on the 22nd of December." Some people brought this issue (concerning Chihayafuru S3) to him with apparently no result. I also wrote to point out that shows like Kono Oto Tomare! S2 should have been in the list (it finished airing the 29th of December and is now at 8.47). It makes little sense to take the average before the end of airing since most people wait for the end to rate a show, and the score usually improves at this moment (+0.3 in this case, but there are plenty of examples KnY, Vinland, etc). Pointing out that: "That's just how it will be—scores and members are always in motion as the site grows." is a poor justification since the evaluation was not fair because of the previous argument. Not that I care so much, but it just shows how things work here. So basically to sum it up: "No one gives a shit, fuck off." Ah yes, clearly im moved to tears by how much the MAL Staff cares about this issue. |
| Can someone explain if the shows score will be refreshed when it hits midway? I noticed some other shows refresh the score and remove the people who dint continue keeping up with the series or complete it. |
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ACasualViewer said: Can someone explain if the shows score will be refreshed when it hits midway? I noticed some other shows refresh the score and remove the people who dint continue keeping up with the series or complete it. It has already hit midway, so I kinda doubt it. |
| Jeez how much of a salty shounen fanboy must u be to trolrate chihayafuyu? |
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| MAL's score not valid anymore, i am disappointed. |
Zeta-Ewigkeit said: Was it ever valid? Before i joined MAL i thought its scores were legit but after spending some time on it i've come to understand that the majority of the top 10(if not the top 50) are there mostly because of botted ratings.MAL's score not valid anymore, i am disappointed. |
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