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Nov 15, 12:53 AM

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Chihayafuru 3 with a 10% of 1's due to trolling and hating. This is what MAL community has become. Nothing more to add. I hope moderator do something to erradicate this no sense.

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Luna (this thread): one, two, three

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Nov 15, 1:05 AM

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That's odd. I was just about to ask if people hated the latest episode or something. It was like a 8.39 or something before?
 
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That's odd. I was just about to ask if people hated the latest episode or something. It was like a 8.39 or something before?

It was at 8.60 or something, which meant it was the top airing show. That was until it was spammed with 1's, now it's an 8.02. They're only doing it because there are so few people actually rating it
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Nov 15, 1:21 AM

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I mean, It's kinda an easy target. Small audience and an high score. Didn't Symphogear have the same problem?
 
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I mean, It's kinda an easy target. Small audience and an high score. Didn't Symphogear have the same problem?


Yes it did, but there were boosters at the time too to balance with haters. Now this is ridiculous 10% of 1/10, and the two threads reporting this were closed for generic reasons, while the point of them was not to decide who's better between Chihayafuru and Vinland (or some other popular shounen). I want to be a mod when I grow up.
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Nov 15, 2:18 AM
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I don't know what they think. This is useless.
For me, if I don't like an anime, I just leave it.
 
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Meusnier said:
NotFred said:
I mean, It's kinda an easy target. Small audience and an high score. Didn't Symphogear have the same problem?


Yes it did, but there were boosters at the time too to balance with haters. Now this is ridiculous 10% of 1/10, and the two threads reporting this were closed for generic reasons, while the point of them was not to decide who's better between Chihayafuru and Vinland (or some other popular shounen). I want to be a mod when I grow up.

Yeah. The the reason was pretty shitty for closing the thread. Personally, I didn't care about that Chihafayuru 3 had higher score than Vinland saga (Even if Vinland saga is my aoty) I was just glad it had an score above 8.50. But yeah, Chihafayuru 3 needs justice, because from 8.60 to an 8.06 is just a crime.
 
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Nov 15, 3:49 AM

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Every season, you see one of these threads.
 
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Nov 15, 4:18 AM

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Every season, you see one of these threads.

But this one is bigger than others. We talk about "%10" "8.60 --> 7.94" I didn't see anything like that.
 
Nov 15, 5:15 AM
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The fact that the troll is now giving it scores of 2, 3, 4, 5 (possible just in case that they delete the 1s). When will be this problem resolved?
 
Nov 15, 5:17 AM

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The fact that the troll is now giving it scores of 2, 3, 4, 5 (possible just in case that they delete the 1s). When will be this problem resolved?

nice catch wouldnt have noticed otherwise.. good to know..
 
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Something should be done about all these trollings. It's getting out of control lately.
 
Nov 15, 5:39 AM
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If I remember correctly, account should be verified before having any voting power, like having certain amount of entries, exist for certain amount of time or something else. Mods should do something about troll accounts.
 
Nov 15, 5:44 AM

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Its at 7.94 now, its getting out of control, apparently it will be fixed in code but i dont see how it will fix things, i hope the Illegitimate accounts thread gets revived because imo whatever they code can be bypassed.
 
Nov 15, 5:48 AM

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This is the worst bullying I have ever seen in MAL. And Chihayafuru is an amazing anime.
C'mon MAL, we all know your algorithm sucks, it's never too late to change it though ...
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If I remember correctly, account should be verified before having any voting power, like having certain amount of entries, exist for certain amount of time or something else. Mods should do something about troll accounts.


All of this makes sense indeed. I also pointed that it should not be possible to grade S3 if you did not watch S1 and S2 on your list (just to slow down the business and to make it more painful). Furthermore, one could impose to have at most one account associated to a given email address. One could also consider that votes for new users would not be taken into account before one month.

Otherwise, on another thread (not deleted today), someone (I forgot the name) said that mods were writing a code to prevent similar harmful actions in the future, but that they could not do anything about this specific case because of lack of manpower (so they say...). But this time I just find this too big...
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Nov 15, 5:50 AM
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MAL score has never been relevant.
 
Nov 15, 5:53 AM

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MAL score has never been relevant.


Uh yeah? If its high more people might check it out? lol
 
Nov 15, 6:19 AM

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I don't care about the score since I know it's one of the best anime airing at the moment.
But people who downvoted it really have time to loose.
 
Nov 15, 6:21 AM

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I don't care this show but 10% of 1 votes ohh boi that thing is savage, almost a crime
 
Nov 15, 6:23 AM
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papsoshea said:
Every season, you see one of these threads.

But this one is bigger than others. We talk about "%10" "8.60 --> 7.94" I didn't see anything like that.
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Nov 15, 6:24 AM

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DHancock said:
Chihayafuru 3 with a 10% of 1's due to trolling and hating. This is what MAL community has become. Nothing more to add. I hope moderator do something to erradicate this no sense.

Nope, the mods aren't doing anything about it, they are leaving it for the devs to sort out, and the devs are too busy coding the API
 
Nov 15, 7:06 AM

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Interesting how a few bots can destroy a legitimate score, it was legitimate because the people who watched the first seasons would have scored this correctly, and it has a small fanbase. MAL is such a sad place sometimes.
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Nov 15, 7:22 AM
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What the hell happened to the score? It was 8.60? and why would people give a 1 it's a perfect show.

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What the hell happened to the score? It was 8.60? and why would people give a 1 it's a perfect show.

Someone is making multi accounts to downvote
 
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NotFred said:
I mean, It's kinda an easy target. Small audience and an high score. Didn't Symphogear have the same problem?


yes it did. i reported it to the mods and they did get it fixed. but the problem with symphogear is that there were up voters and down voters haveing a stupid voting war in it.
 
Nov 15, 7:56 AM

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What the hell is going on here? Is there a gang of 10 year olds who wants to downgrade Cihayafuru? I don't get it. I am a hardcore fan of some anime and manga series, but to downgrade another series you haven't even watched because of that? Really? Act like a man for god's sake.
 
Nov 15, 8:06 AM
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What the hell is going on here? Is there a gang of 10 year olds who wants to downgrade Cihayafuru? I don't get it. I am a hardcore fan of some anime and manga series, but to downgrade another series you haven't even watched because of that? Really? Act like a man for god's sake.
It's just one person who has made over 300 alts/bots for it and the number keeps rising constantly

In the past the mods would take care of stuff like this but now it's just left to rot

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Nov 15, 8:06 AM

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This is depressing. Shows how a single person is capable of fucking up the whole top list. Chihayafuru deserved better
 
Nov 15, 8:14 AM

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This is depressing. Shows how a single person is capable of fucking up the whole top list. Chihayafuru deserved better


It also shows a good example for similar idiots: "go ahead and do whatever you want to mess up with the shows average". Mods presumably do not know much about game theory, because this special case is a repeated game where the choice of not doing anything is the worse strategy for the player MAL against all future players with bad intentions (downers and boosters).
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Meusnier said:
All of this makes sense indeed. I also pointed that it should not be possible to grade S3 if you did not watch S1 and S2 on your list (just to slow down the business and to make it more painful).


This will not work out, because although not advisable, skipping seasons is physically possible and quite a few people participate in it.

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Furthermore, one could impose to have at most one account associated to a given email address.


Are you telling me, that this most basic feature is not implemented on this site? Just... wow!
 
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Alright, MAL needs to do something instead of being lazy about it. This is getting ridiculous. 8.60 to 7.93 because of one guy on a mission to 1/10 the shit out of it...
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Nov 15, 8:58 AM
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I mean, It's kinda an easy target. Small audience and an high score. Didn't Symphogear have the same problem?


yes it did. i reported it to the mods and they did get it fixed. but the problem with symphogear is that there were up voters and down voters haveing a stupid voting war in it.


Sorry to break it to you, but they didn't do anything at all. Symphogear mostly had boosters and boosters have relatively less impact on ratings than giving 1s. Plus, it also had some 1s which cancelled out many of the 10s.

Its real rating might have had been 8.3 instead, but people rarely complain if an anime gets higher rating.
 
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All of this makes sense indeed. I also pointed that it should not be possible to grade S3 if you did not watch S1 and S2 on your list (just to slow down the business and to make it more painful).


This will not work out, because although not advisable, skipping seasons is physically possible and quite a few people participate in it.

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Furthermore, one could impose to have at most one account associated to a given email address.


Are you telling me, that this most basic feature is not implemented on this site? Just... wow!


Nevertheless, it would force people to add previous seasons to their list even if they did not see them (which just takes a few seconds), but it would damage the bots. But you are probably right and this will not be considered (for Chiahayafuru, it is clearly absurd to watch S3 before S1 and S2...).

I do not if the "basic feature" you are mentioning is implemented or not, but since it appears clearly that one single guy created hundreds of false accounts, I can hardly imagine that he created hundreds of false email address, since this takes some time (verification, etc). Or he is a very patient and very stupid individual...
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I said it in another thread but as a temporary solution altering the weighted score formula to favor shows with a high standard deviation would be a good idea. I myself couldn't do it but I'm sure it's mathematically feasible.
 
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I said it in another thread but as a temporary solution altering the weighted score formula to favor shows with a high standard deviation would be a good idea. I myself couldn't do it but I'm sure it's mathematically feasible.


You are perfectly right. There are normally around 0.5% of 1/10 for this kind of shows and one could mechanically divide by 20 the weight of 1/10. Many top shows have a rate of 1/10 less than 1%, so one could just dismiss any additional 1/10 in the average and apply this formula as soon as a show gets more than 8/10 in average, and use the standard formula otherwise.
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since the other thread got deleted since it was suspiciously made with a bot account anyway gonna share this plan of the Admins to solve this problem with programming rather than manual accounts deletion

When I first created it almost 10 years ago, our community was significantly smaller. Death Note had less than 120,000 scored users—now it has 1.2 million. That is a 10x increase.

1. The community has become too large for us to manually delete upvoting/downvoting accounts. And it will only continue to grow from here.
2. In 10 years, the average user has become "smarter" at hiding their tracks. This means it is very rare for us to catch the person creating the problem; all we're doing is deleting accounts at a much slower pace than some dedicated 13yo has free time to make them.

Luna and I were already discussing possible backend changes for combating this problem and removing the influence on the scores with DeNA. From this, I can say two more things:

3. There are possible approaches we can take to combat this problem from a development end (which I will not discuss so that users do not find a way around them).
4. Upvotes and downvotes equal each other out on most popular+high ranked series. When we processed a dataset using our proposed mechanisms, the only scores that were really affected were series 10+ years old with smaller user counts.

I recognize that this decision is likely to anger some users. However, I hope you will really consider this from all perspectives and agree that backend measures to combat this problem are a much more effective long term solution than whack-a-mole. Until then, I asked for your patience—and that you not contribute to the problem.

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=245618&show=4750#msg58156821
 
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yea well, this is an optimal target for attack, and when you say trolls that might not be it. When the score is like this its usually just one person with a shit load of time on their hands. Mals implies that they will eventually find a solution for this problem, but were stuck with people trolling for now.
 
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Meusnier said:
Orhunaa said:
I said it in another thread but as a temporary solution altering the weighted score formula to favor shows with a high standard deviation would be a good idea. I myself couldn't do it but I'm sure it's mathematically feasible.


You are perfectly right. There are normally around 0.5% of 1/10 for this kind of shows and one could mechanically divide by 20 the weight of 1/10. Many top shows have a rate of 1/10 less than 1%, so one could just dismiss any additional 1/10 in the average and apply this formula as soon as a show gets more than 8/10 in average, and use the standard formula otherwise.


The person is mixing in some 2/10 3/10 4/10 5/10 now
 
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Yeah this is fucking stupid; just because a show you don't like became top airing anime. Fucking pussy. Also no idea why the mods haven't taken any action or whatsoever. Mods are fucking gay if they locked the thread again.
 
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Meusnier said:


You are perfectly right. There are normally around 0.5% of 1/10 for this kind of shows and one could mechanically divide by 20 the weight of 1/10. Many top shows have a rate of 1/10 less than 1%, so one could just dismiss any additional 1/10 in the average and apply this formula as soon as a show gets more than 8/10 in average, and use the standard formula otherwise.


The person is mixing in some 2/10 3/10 4/10 5/10 now


Yes indeed, but this is quite negligible compared to the huge amount of 1/10. And there are usually more 1/10 than 2,3,4/10, so one could weight those with a milder factor. Anyway, this kind of users should be easy to spot; I do not remember who said that, but it seems on IMDb, an algorithm can track down these users an neglect them.
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I don't even watch this anime but this situation is just so stupid, I can't understand what sort of person dedicates so much time for something this petty.

Interesting thing I saw btw, the last thread about this was locked and the debate was directed to a forum about overrated and underrated anime which this really is not about but, whatever. But when I went to check that thread, some people were talking about it there and another mod said not to discuss it there cause it's not the forum for that. So basically, we should just shut up and take it I guess...
 
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pretty sure the ones did that were vinland saga's fans
 
Nov 15, 10:38 AM
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Made an account to give this masterpiece the score it truly deserves. Also, how hard is it for the mods to police this shit? One idiot can fuck up the rating of the whole show with his bots? Seriously wtf is this
 
Nov 15, 10:46 AM

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Made an account to give this masterpiece the score it truly deserves. Also, how hard is it for the mods to police this shit? One idiot can fuck up the rating of the whole show with his bots? Seriously wtf is this


Welcome to MAL! Although the circumstances are what they are... It was explained previously that by lack of manpower and because the devs will design a general solution, nothing will be done until then (you can look up the closed threads on the topic).
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Nov 15, 10:53 AM
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pretty sure the ones did that were vinland saga's fans


A lot of the troll accounts are giving SAO:Alicization p2 and Vinland Saga 10s. Not all of them, but a lot of them.

Example:https://myanimelist.net/profile/heyin56
 
Nov 15, 10:59 AM

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This is the worst bullying I have ever seen in MAL. And Chihayafuru is an amazing anime.
C'mon MAL, we all know your algorithm sucks, it's never too late to change it though ...
Pretty sure they are trying to fix it, that's why the mods are staying silent and locking these kind of threads
 
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If the mods let this one go, then all that accomplishes is that trolls are further enabled to do their thing because they know the mods won’t do anything about it. The thread should never have been closed until the backend solution was actually in place.
 
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I hope mods do something about this. I looked through the accounts that have rated this a 1 and they are clearly botted accounts with the intent to rate this anime a 1.
 
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