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May 19, 2022 12:53 PM
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Waifu? Tf u talking about she's literally 6
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5ika said:
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Check seasonal shows, not "most popular". Also, shoujo does not count for obvious reasons...


So this season female characters are more popular. 4 previous seasons that is not (at least heavily) the case. So you are making a claim that female characters are more favorited outside of few shonen based only on stuff that airs this season while ignoring everything else. Popular titles are the better metric to use because that makes the stats more accurate and you will be less likely to end up with the types of shows that heavily pander to specific group that is very likely to favorite certain type of characters.

If you make claims like that without adding recently or this season to the end of it surely it should be also reflected in most popular shows? And most of the highest ranking characters would be female right?


This depends heavily on the roles and screentime of a character. The most popular anime typically have the male lead take up the vast majority of the screentime and focus of the story. For example, you would not expect MHA or KNY to have a female as the most favorited, since their respective stories are so focused on the main male character's perspective that the females become just a prop in the story, unless the female character stands out. If they have similar roles and importance in the story, then the female most often wins (e.g., Your Lie in April or Your Name). Seasonals aren't so trope-heavy. Even in some cases where the male is the obvious lead, a female character with little screentime wins (e.g., Roxy in Mushoku Tensei).

My point was to say that physical attractiveness plays a huge factor, and men tend to vote with their penises.
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Opticflash said:
5ika said:


So this season female characters are more popular. 4 previous seasons that is not (at least heavily) the case. So you are making a claim that female characters are more favorited outside of few shonen based only on stuff that airs this season while ignoring everything else. Popular titles are the better metric to use because that makes the stats more accurate and you will be less likely to end up with the types of shows that heavily pander to specific group that is very likely to favorite certain type of characters.

If you make claims like that without adding recently or this season to the end of it surely it should be also reflected in most popular shows? And most of the highest ranking characters would be female right?


This depends heavily on the roles and screentime of a character. The most popular anime typically have the male lead take up the vast majority of the screentime and focus of the story. For example, you would not expect MHA or KNY to have a female as the most favorited, since their respective stories are so focused on the main male character's perspective that the females become just a prop in the story, unless the female character stands out. If they have similar roles and importance in the story, then the female most often wins (e.g., Your Lie in April or Your Name). Seasonals aren't so trope-heavy. Even in some cases where the male is the obvious lead, a female character with little screentime wins (e.g., Roxy in Mushoku Tensei).

My point was to say that physical attractiveness plays a huge factor, and men tend to vote with their penises.


I agree that attractiveness is an important trait in (especially female) character's popularity. Especially in romance shows in which the viewer often self inserts himself to the male MC

However attractiveness will lose against great or in some cases even good character. For example:

Kurisu is the most popular female Character but Okabe is still more favorited.

Mikasa who used to be way above Eren has been overtaken due to the great character development Eren had during last 2 AoT seasons

Alucard in most popular Character from hellsing.

Psycho pass has both the male lead and villain higher than female lead who is the main MC of the show.

Made in abyss similarly has male lead higher even though female lead is introduced first

Also You have to factor in that male character has more self insert potential for male viewer hence characters like Kirito can be seen in top 25. I don't disagree that female characters have easier time getting favorited based on looks or "cuteness" but otherwise it is likely advantageous for male characters.
May 19, 2022 2:22 PM

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As of episode 6, Anya hasn't done anything especially girly. Dunno what might happen in the future but as it stands I don't really imagine there'd be much difference if she was Andy instead.
May 19, 2022 2:25 PM

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I don't think so. Spy X Family reminds me of Dragon Maid, how Kanna was all over the place, so it's pretty much the same thing here. People love cuteness and moe and everything. I guess girls are cuter then boys.
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May 19, 2022 2:30 PM
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Hmm, not really. I'd say when it comes to cute/moe stuff, most people would prefer girls and not boys, since girls tend to be cuter? I guess.
May 19, 2022 2:33 PM

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I may be in the minority, but I think people find anime-girls cuter than boys, by in large.

For that reason the answer to your question would be NO, coming from me.
May 19, 2022 2:34 PM

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I don't think so. Spy X Family reminds me of Dragon Maid, how Kanna was all over the place, so it's pretty much the same thing here. People love cuteness and moe and everything. I guess girls are cuter then boys.


it reminds you of dragon maid? the show that goes out of its way to sexualize the loli and has giant bouncing boobs in just about every scene?

If anything, it's more similar to Somali to Mori no Kamisama. But that show is completely forgotten now.

The internet will never let us forget Dragon Maid or Spy x Family. It's because they're meme-material. Also because they're the fad all the cool kids are into. You want to be cool, right? Just pretend to like this anime that isn't really any better than the dozens of other similar shows that you never watched, heard of or care about. Now you're like everyone else. Now you're cool.
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DanteHawke said:
Hmm, not really. I'd say when it comes to cute/moe stuff, most people would prefer girls and not boys, since girls tend to be cuter? I guess.

But why...what makes a 5yo girl cuter than a 5yo boy
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May 19, 2022 2:41 PM

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The show wouldn't have been as popular with Anya as a boy especially since most of Anyas line are suited for a girl or so I think. Can you just imagine a boy saying waku waku or speaking in third person? The way Anya interacts with other characters is too iconic.
Either way I think the show would have been popular though. I just can't imagine Anya as a boy
May 19, 2022 2:48 PM

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Yeah, why not. And there should be a couple of both men then.
Let's say, Harry and Loid adopting little Pico.
May 19, 2022 2:57 PM

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It would be more or less the same if he has the same personality and characteristics. Most sane people don't judge children based on genders. Tho I would say it starts being a factor around age 10.
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epidemia78 said:
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I don't think so. Spy X Family reminds me of Dragon Maid, how Kanna was all over the place, so it's pretty much the same thing here. People love cuteness and moe and everything. I guess girls are cuter then boys.


it reminds you of dragon maid? the show that goes out of its way to sexualize the loli and has giant bouncing boobs in just about every scene?

If anything, it's more similar to Somali to Mori no Kamisama. But that show is completely forgotten now.

The internet will never let us forget Dragon Maid or Spy x Family. It's because they're meme-material. Also because they're the fad all the cool kids are into. You want to be cool, right? Just pretend to like this anime that isn't really any better than the dozens of other similar shows that you never watched, heard of or care about. Now you're like everyone else. Now you're cool.


Moreso in the fan's reaction to it rather then the content. People react to Kanna like they do Anya.
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May 19, 2022 3:05 PM

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MuZe- said:
It would be more or less the same if he has the same personality and characteristics. Most sane people don't judge children based on genders. Tho I would say it starts being a factor around age 10.
Then there's a shit ton of of insane people out there.
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May 19, 2022 3:11 PM

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TinyTabun said:
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Hmm, not really. I'd say when it comes to cute/moe stuff, most people would prefer girls and not boys, since girls tend to be cuter? I guess.

But why...what makes a 5yo girl cuter than a 5yo boy
Little girls are gendered femininely, it's not that a little boy isn't cute, but he probably isn't feminine.
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May 19, 2022 3:13 PM

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Probably yeah, they are both kids, both can be cute, there'll be no attractiveness bias, unless.....
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Probably yeah, they are both kids, both can be cute, there'll be no attractiveness bias, unless.....
I know you like cute guys, but that's just not how it works in reality. A young girl that's gendered femininely compared to a boy is most likely going to be seen as more cute, by all genders. You're also minimizing how attraction works if you think there's no potential for bias towards femininity in men who are attracted to femininity, even if there's no sexual feelings involved.
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May 19, 2022 5:25 PM
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5ika said:
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This depends heavily on the roles and screentime of a character. The most popular anime typically have the male lead take up the vast majority of the screentime and focus of the story. For example, you would not expect MHA or KNY to have a female as the most favorited, since their respective stories are so focused on the main male character's perspective that the females become just a prop in the story, unless the female character stands out. If they have similar roles and importance in the story, then the female most often wins (e.g., Your Lie in April or Your Name). Seasonals aren't so trope-heavy. Even in some cases where the male is the obvious lead, a female character with little screentime wins (e.g., Roxy in Mushoku Tensei).

My point was to say that physical attractiveness plays a huge factor, and men tend to vote with their penises.


I agree that attractiveness is an important trait in (especially female) character's popularity. Especially in romance shows in which the viewer often self inserts himself to the male MC

However attractiveness will lose against great or in some cases even good character. For example:

Kurisu is the most popular female Character but Okabe is still more favorited.

Mikasa who used to be way above Eren has been overtaken due to the great character development Eren had during last 2 AoT seasons

Alucard in most popular Character from hellsing.

Psycho pass has both the male lead and villain higher than female lead who is the main MC of the show.

Made in abyss similarly has male lead higher even though female lead is introduced first

Also You have to factor in that male character has more self insert potential for male viewer hence characters like Kirito can be seen in top 25. I don't disagree that female characters have easier time getting favorited based on looks or "cuteness" but otherwise it is likely advantageous for male characters.
Dont forget Levi who has overtaken both Eren and Mikasa from the start. Not sure why anyone would like Mikasa, she's a braindead Eren simp with no personality or development.

I think it honestly depends on the type of people watching the show. I know a lot of people that pick favorites due to looks and a lot of people pick their favorites due to character development or their personality. I'm the latter. I tend to find most female characters hard to get behind, their either waifu bait, side lined or sexualized to the point that their whole character is booba and butt. But to each their own.
May 19, 2022 5:26 PM
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Yeah, cause Loid and Yor are in it and carry the show
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I personally think the show would've done fine either way. Who cares if Anya is a boy or a girl? They would've been cute either way. People are always going to be weird about not just lolis but shotas also. People need to just stop being creepy around children.
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LostSpectre said:
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Probably yeah, they are both kids, both can be cute, there'll be no attractiveness bias, unless.....
I know you like cute guys,
Bruh, where was this come from? Was it because I always defend Izumi? The cutest in there is still Nekozaki, it's more of "cute things are cute" instead of "I like cute guys".
but that's just not how it works in reality. A young girl that's gendered femininely compared to a boy is most likely going to be seen as more cute, by all genders. You're also minimizing how attraction works if you think there's no potential for bias towards femininity in men who are attracted to femininity, even if there's no sexual feelings involved.
Yeah, but if you put young boys in a gendered femininely situation, you won't notice any different. Kid cuteness is animal cuteness instead of feminine cuteness.
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Yeah, but if you put young boys in a gendered femininely situation, you won't notice any different.
Sure, but that's not the norm, and that's kind of the whole point.
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(Knocks wrench into palm and stretches neck.) Nope.


Loool care to elaborate why? Your personal reasons would be appreciated
Moe. We find little girls naturally more endearing. Little boys may tend to be a bit more rambunctious, but a little girl automatically activates that "PROTECC" part of our brain by their innocence. At least the idealized versions.
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Vaguelyweebish said:
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Loool care to elaborate why? Your personal reasons would be appreciated
Moe. We find little girls naturally more endearing. Little boys may tend to be a bit more rambunctious, but a little girl automatically activates that "PROTECC" part of our brain by their innocence. At least the idealized versions.


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May 19, 2022 7:54 PM

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I'm going to bet no, just look at digital art. People like looking at girls more, sometimes because they are cute, sometimes because they are hot. Portraits of boys are waay less popular.
May 19, 2022 7:57 PM

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imo, no.

Because I think it doesn't match if Anya was a boy with the same attitude.
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TinyTabun said:
Been debating this with my friend all day. SpyxFamily is the most explosively popular anime of the season, and Anya plays a HUGE part in that. She's adorable, loveable, and is on many people's 'best girl' list.

Do you think if she were a boy with similar character design and an identical personality, that she would be as popular? Or does her being female play a huge factor in her cuteness/need to protect etc. Would you personally enjoy the show as much if it was a 5yo boy instead of girl?

Imo I don't think it would be as popular because males innately find females more endearing, and male Anya wouldn't be making any 'best girl/waifu lists' but I'm very curious about the general opinion.


Like in any show, it mostly boils down on the personality and character. Gender is more of side note.

Kotarou from "Koutarou lives alone" and Boji from Ousama Ranking don't even have the upperhand of moe character design but still ranks high tier on "must Protecc, child characters"
Also do note that Anya mostly have characteristics mostly given to boy characters so I gues it don't really have big impact if Anya ever got gender swapped.

Also the question is already basically the same as asking any mc of a series is gender swapped. Since their every part of their charactetistics is already integral to what the show is.
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Sonson7 said:
TinyTabun said:
Been debating this with my friend all day. SpyxFamily is the most explosively popular anime of the season, and Anya plays a HUGE part in that. She's adorable, loveable, and is on many people's 'best girl' list.

Do you think if she were a boy with similar character design and an identical personality, that she would be as popular? Or does her being female play a huge factor in her cuteness/need to protect etc. Would you personally enjoy the show as much if it was a 5yo boy instead of girl?

Imo I don't think it would be as popular because males innately find females more endearing, and male Anya wouldn't be making any 'best girl/waifu lists' but I'm very curious about the general opinion.


Like in any show, it mostly boils down on the personality and character. Gender is more of side note.

Kotarou from "Koutarou lives alone" and Boji from Ousama Ranking don't even have the upperhand of moe character design but still ranks high tier on "must Protecc, child characters"
Also do note that Anya mostly have characteristics mostly given to boy characters so I gues it don't really have big impact if Anya ever got gender swapped.

Also the question is already basically the same as asking any mc of a series is gender swapped. Since their every part of their charactetistics is already integral to what the show is.


What characteristics does Anya have that are most
ly given to boys???
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TinyTabun said:
Sonson7 said:


Like in any show, it mostly boils down on the personality and character. Gender is more of side note.

Kotarou from "Koutarou lives alone" and Boji from Ousama Ranking don't even have the upperhand of moe character design but still ranks high tier on "must Protecc, child characters"
Also do note that Anya mostly have characteristics mostly given to boy characters so I gues it don't really have big impact if Anya ever got gender swapped.

Also the question is already basically the same as asking any mc of a series is gender swapped. Since their every part of their charactetistics is already integral to what the show is.


What characteristics does Anya have that are most
ly given to boys???

The fascination with spies and assasin's. Playing spy.
The "waku waku" expression. I mean Goku that is basically Goku's signature expression with some boonies kid vibe added to it "waku waku tek daze". If I remember correctly, waku waku is the same phrase kid Deku says while they put an All Might video in his pc.

The sparkly eye or interest with cool weapon that is supposedly deadly and kids should definitely avoid.
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TinyTabun said:
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Anya plays a major part along with Yor in SpyxFamily's popularity but it's not the only reason. New people come to watch the show because of Anya and her cute antics but then stay for the genuinely good storyline and great comedy.

I wouldn't deny that the moe bait is real with SpyxFamily but still I don't think there would be too much of difference in popularity if everything was same just the genders were changed, if the comedy and reaction faces and stuff were kept same then we might not find much difference in popularities. Also, as long as Yor is there, the show is going to be popular no matter what. If we remove Yor and put boy Anya then no way the show will be as popular as it is today.




Why can't little boys be moe bait though??? whats the difference between a 5yo boy and girl, they've both adorable squishes
Sure they can be I didn't deny that anywhere. It's just that the majority of audience is male and general male finds girls cuter than boys same like more female audience feel the moe with boys. As for me I've only seen one smol boy seeing whom I got the must protecc feeling, that said I just think there are very few boy who are presented in a moe way in animes or I just haven't found any such characters.

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May 19, 2022 10:58 PM

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I guess not. The "cute little girl" archetype has a lot of influence. If Anya were a boy, the show wouldn't be as popular since the thing all people notice first about the show is the cute little girl, Anya. Or don't they?


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i dont think so, but it wont affect me tbh
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No, it definitely wouldn't. Most anime fans are males and they want their cute characters to be girls, not boys. Make Anya a boy and proceed to magically see how S x F disappears from the top.
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I hate to admit it, and it's just my opinion, but no. I don't think it would be AS popular, it would still be popular though.
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Most probably no, and if you make Yor look plain, then that would ruin the whole thing imo
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biased on many factors YES her being a FEMALE is a major reason for the shows popularity me myself i'd say that Anya's ironic and adorable make me wait the whole 23mins and every week just to chill and watch some fine adorable stuff , in my case i see it's ok but if u sexulise her and reading DJs about her now that's A HUGE ISSUE my bro and sis.

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stop crying and be proud of your own gender created by god
May 21, 2022 1:50 AM

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why compare if he is a man or if he is a woman?
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May 21, 2022 1:54 AM

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Sadly not. Wish there was more anime about a father figure mentoring a son, teaching him to be a man.
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No way... no way... its the sad truth of life
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Theres been many cute little girls through out the history of anime but none of them is as popular as Anya. So i guess Anya being boy or girl doesn't matter here, its her magic personality auther inserted into her, Its so much fun to watch and hear Anya. Someday if some author managed to intsert that workable magic charm into a baby boy theres a chance that anime would be popular too....(JJK managed to get popular bcz of Gojo who is a male ! you know, so I guess its one of those case as well where Personality mattered most rather than gender)
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probably not, anyas cuteness is a part in the anime that attracts a lot of viewers...


Are you saying little boys aren't as cute as little girls :(

Toddler boys are cute, but when they turn 5 they start to become annoying.
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It'd still be popular, but not on the crazy level it is maybe. I'd like it more though that's for sure. Don't get me wrong, Anya is adorable, but cute lolis are a dime a dozen so seeing a cute male character as an MC would just be refreshing. There's a lot of shows about cute girls getting adopted already.
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nah it wouldn't. the fandom is full of simps & neckbeards ;)
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Imo I don't think it would be as popular because males innately find females more endearing, and male Anya wouldn't be making any 'best girl/waifu lists' but I'm very curious about the general opinion.
I agree with you. Spy x Family's success is very intentional. Everything about Anya is very intentional. The show tries very hard to appeal to a moe sentiment and it's clear what they're going for. A lot of the "comedy" relies on a fish out of water dissonance factor that comes from reconciling the cuteness with the fact that they're a spy, assassin and psychic. Realistically, a spy and assassin would immediately recognize the extraordinary circumstances they're in from the first episode, and a psychic would actually take steps to prepare for the things going around her besides just having a "shock" face, then forgetting about it afterwards. I think everyone realizes that, but the cuteness distracts from the rationality, or even justifies irrationality on its own merits.

Let's be honest. If Anya wasn't cute, she'd just be an annoying brat who could read the minds of his adoptive father, but not a kidnapper standing next to a door. Nothing about her would be very funny at all.

Additionally, cute male kids in anime aren't really a thing. That's why the imouto trope is at least 10 times more prevalent than otoutou characters. And when there are little brothers, they're never being shipped.
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Edocchi said:
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Are you saying little boys aren't as cute as little girls :(

Toddler boys are cute, but when they turn 5 they start to become annoying.
From my own experience little girls aren't expection, and also turn more annoying the older they get, until they get over the teen angst phase. After that they're fine.
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Nope. It would still be very popular ofc, but not as much. People just think anime girls are cuter than anime boys. Can you name a single male anime character that is highly regarded as adorable or "kawaii" by the masses? Betcha cant.
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Probably. We had Ousama Ranking last year and that anime was more popular than it should have been.


But ousama ranking wasn't popular because of the shota right?
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May 22, 2022 8:13 PM

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Yea, I don't think Anya is a big reason why the show is as popular as it is.

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Yea, I don't think Anya is a big reason why the show is as popular as it is.


Really?? Could you elaborate as to why?
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