Wasn't expecting much from a Kyoto produced mystery series but I'll admit I was wrong. Been a great series so far.
-MgZ_ said:
Oreki failed Chitanda... She was so disappointed. :/ They are not that surprised because it's not the truth.
I like Chitanda but it's kind've annoying how she can suddenly tell when Oreki isn't right about something. It's weird because in the earlier episodes Oreki had no problems completely pulling the wool over her shimmering but gullible eyes eg. The whole fake secret club thing that she bought hook, line and sinker.
Gator said:
In the end Oreki's solution was rather constructed as well since the culprit was obvious if you know that the cameraman is the 7th person. Not a very exciting mystery this way. Mayaka made a good point though that the rope didn't get included in his story, but I guess the movie is a success either way so who cares? Oreki?
Most of the people who watched the film seemed to be genuinely surprised and enjoyed that conclusion. The average japanese high school student who isn't into mystery films probably wouldn't have thought of the camera man as being another character in the movie, in that way it provided a neat little twist.
Oreki cares that his theory is now incomplete because he started to believe that perhaps his opinion of himself was wrong. Irisu had him starting to believe that he was special in some way which was having a profound impact on his identity. But seeing as how he completely overlooked the rope his theory is incomplete which is the same as saying it's wrong and therefore hes not actually special.
frankykun13 said:
I don't have a solid theory as Oreki , but if Hongou planning to add twist with the rope that can support one person ..How about possibility of trying suicide with rope ? but the victim fail because of something like no chair or difficult to hang himself ? and the fact that Victim die facing the window ? if someone try to murder him from door, victim's position should be facing the door
I thought suicide for a moment too, but what about the severed arm? Did he chop his arm off to kill himself? Highly unlikely. Suicidal people want their pain to end as quickly as possible they wouldn't have the willpower to do something that painful especially when cutting your wrists is just as effective and far more easier. Plus he'd be screaming in pain while cutting his own arm off alerting everyone else, which means he either died very quickly right after getting it cut off or he was already dead or unconscious when it was cut.
Aarronin said:
Character: It's weird to get praise from random people but get more criticism from your friends. But it does serve as a good loss for Oreki. While he did make an alternative, not even he considered all the variables. And I think he kinda got that he was played by Irisu and his own hubris, which was storked by Irisu. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.
Indeed. But I also thing he was playing Irisu in a way too. Perhaps not intentionally but just by habit. I think he kind've knew that his answer was incomplete when he first told Irisu because you could see he was sweating the whole time while waiting for her decision to accept his conclusion or not. He didn't want to have to go back to the drawing board because that would mean more work for him.
thelumpur said:
Oreki's solution wouldn't hold even without the rope. The cameraman's actions would be contradictory; the murderer would put up a trick, but ruin it by blatantly showing himself as the killer. Why not kill the guy directly in front of everyone, at that point? It seemed a silly conclusion to me, and I'm glad it's apparently wrong. I'm still more amazed at the fact that Oreki never thought of asking why nobody bothered to contact Hongou herself: either it's a huge plot hole, or the solution lies here: but since every episode ends with the same line written on the screen, I'm pretty sure it's the latter.
The trick is to fool the viewer into thinking there was only 6 characters in the story. Yeah perhaps not the best trick but your forgetting that Hongou, who went through a bunch of sherlock holmes books before writing the plot was a total beginner at mystery scripts. She's not going to come up with some mystery masterpiece. They couldn't contact her because evidently she was too ill to be contacted and nobody wanted to bother her about a club project which isn't as important as one's health.
Shadake said:
Yeah it was unexpected, but even so, I don't think that girl author ( can't remember her name ) did better work.
Agreed. She while she had talent she was a beginner at mysteries. It's unlikely her plot would've been much or any better than Oreki's interpretation of it. |