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Dec 16, 2015 9:50 PM

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What Oreki didn't notice. Ep 10.

Plot: Irisu reveals that she asked for the CC just to get Oreki to finish the movie. While he does manage to make one, with an admittedly good twist, it turns it was wrong.

Character: It's weird to get praise from random people but get more criticism from your friends. But it does serve as a good loss for Oreki. While he did make an alternative, not even he considered all the variables. And I think he kinda got that he was played by Irisu and his own hubris, which was storked by Irisu. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

Satoshi got a bit more character thanks to the words from ep 8 and here. How those who don't have talents will become fools if prodigies say they made it by luck. I think there is a current of jealousy and a measure of expectation he has for Oreki.

Irisu is a dang good manipulator. Kinda like a foil for Chitanda who probably doesn't realize what she's doing when she's trying to get Oreki to work.

Animation/sound: The television scene was fun. There were also a few shots to Irisu's backside. I think it was trying to tell me something. Or Oreki's hormones took control of the camera.

And that cliffhanger was just so good. Like a lightbulb and a flash of "OH SH*T!"

5/5. The curtain falls next time. Check the credits.
AarroninDec 16, 2015 9:54 PM


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Jan 8, 2016 4:50 PM
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I forgot about the rope as well.. That realization in the end there gave me the chills.
May 11, 2016 11:10 PM

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This rose-colored life is attainable after all . The realization though , still .
Great Episode .
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May 13, 2016 1:53 AM

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This episode was just spectacular!! Far more interesting with the story been told much more. The way the beginning was, i felt there is going to be something later on in this anime, From just by how the scene was and how she said "you are special" as well with the eye contact was beautiful to watch. just amazing how it was played out!!
OOH THAT FUCKING cliffhanger!! are you serious! but at the same time... CALLED IT with the rope!! LMAO XD
cause MAL is doing there job for once.
May 25, 2016 1:54 AM

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Oh shit, that was surprisingly ingenious O_O Completely didn't expect that kind of twist. And that last scene when it turns out that Houtarou forgot about the rope made this episode even better. Can't wait to see the conclusion to this arc!
Jun 21, 2016 10:38 AM

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what an arc!

I came for moe and stayed for writing. such a lovely series so far.
Aug 14, 2016 8:13 PM
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uau. nice final of arc. The idea of houtarou(of using cameraman) so good,but he not finalized all details and forget the string requested for hangou/roteirist. I wait new details and more episode participation of Irisu.
Sep 29, 2016 2:17 PM
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Oreki's solution wouldn't hold even without the rope. The cameraman's actions would be contradictory; the murderer would put up a trick, but ruin it by blatantly showing himself as the killer. Why not kill the guy directly in front of everyone, at that point? It seemed a silly conclusion to me, and I'm glad it's apparently wrong. I'm still more amazed at the fact that Oreki never thought of asking why nobody bothered to contact Hongou herself: either it's a huge plot hole, or the solution lies here: but since every episode ends with the same line written on the screen, I'm pretty sure it's the latter.
Nov 7, 2016 10:24 PM

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Oh man.. I knew something was off. But unexpecting twist he cameraman being the seventh person.
Mar 6, 2017 11:45 AM

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I really love the grey surprise blending effect in the end! Feels very sinister and twisted indeed.
Mar 7, 2017 6:16 AM

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oh shit, oreki fucked up! i wonder how the rope fits into the conclusion?
May 6, 2017 6:33 AM

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I love how Oreki isn't some deus ex machina detective that solves every mystery flawlessly~ this show proves that even him can miss some key infos.

I wonder what will happen next.


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May 31, 2017 6:20 AM

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Orekis conclusion didn't include the rope, this case seems to be more complicated than he thought at first.

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Jun 11, 2017 5:44 PM

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Oreki messed up? Totally forgot about the rope. At least we know why Haba was pissed.

Seem like Satoshi is jealous of Oreki. I sense drama coming up. Irisu was great in episode. Need to see more of her.

But that conclusion of the cameraman being the seventh character. O.o

Jul 9, 2017 3:49 PM
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rodac said:
Is it possible that the rope is for another purpose than the movie and that the writer was looking for a method of obtaining it without drawing attention to herself?
rodac said:
Is it possible that the rope is for another purpose than the movie and that the writer was looking for a method of obtaining it without drawing attention to herself?
I had the exact same idea I thought she killed herself too

Jul 15, 2017 9:59 PM
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"This theory is wrong because the murderer would've been in plain view getting and returning the master key. But my theory, which has the murderer getting and returning the master key in plain view, is correct." Um...

As for the rope - maybe it was supposed to be used for the second victim's death, or for lynching the killer.

Question - why didn't anyone even think of asking the script's AUTHOR? Ok, she's sick, but they didn't mention her being in a coma, did they?
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Jul 29, 2017 8:37 AM

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I am still totally hooked into this mystery. A proper arc allows for a well fleshed-out mystery to be genuinely engaging. This is good stuff. Currently moved from a 7 to an 8.
Feb 13, 2018 12:17 AM
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mystery still unsolved
Apr 9, 2018 9:56 AM

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And here I thought I finally solved one of the mysteries myself. I got it right as they mentioned the poor camera work. It's just like in all those bad found footage movies.
But I guess there is more to it. I also totally forgot about the rope.
May 1, 2018 4:22 AM

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In the end Oreki's solution was rather constructed as well since the culprit was obvious if you know that the cameraman is the 7th person. Not a very exciting mystery this way. Mayaka made a good point though that the rope didn't get included in his story, but I guess the movie is a success either way so who cares? Oreki?
Sep 1, 2018 12:38 AM
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Wasn't expecting much from a Kyoto produced mystery series but I'll admit I was wrong. Been a great series so far.

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Oreki failed Chitanda... She was so disappointed. :/ They are not that surprised because it's not the truth.


I like Chitanda but it's kind've annoying how she can suddenly tell when Oreki isn't right about something. It's weird because in the earlier episodes Oreki had no problems completely pulling the wool over her shimmering but gullible eyes eg. The whole fake secret club thing that she bought hook, line and sinker.


Gator said:
In the end Oreki's solution was rather constructed as well since the culprit was obvious if you know that the cameraman is the 7th person. Not a very exciting mystery this way. Mayaka made a good point though that the rope didn't get included in his story, but I guess the movie is a success either way so who cares? Oreki?


Most of the people who watched the film seemed to be genuinely surprised and enjoyed that conclusion. The average japanese high school student who isn't into mystery films probably wouldn't have thought of the camera man as being another character in the movie, in that way it provided a neat little twist.

Oreki cares that his theory is now incomplete because he started to believe that perhaps his opinion of himself was wrong. Irisu had him starting to believe that he was special in some way which was having a profound impact on his identity. But seeing as how he completely overlooked the rope his theory is incomplete which is the same as saying it's wrong and therefore hes not actually special.

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I don't have a solid theory as Oreki , but if Hongou planning to add twist with the rope that can support one person ..How about possibility of trying suicide with rope ? but the victim fail because of something like no chair or difficult to hang himself ? and the fact that Victim die facing the window ? if someone try to murder him from door, victim's position should be facing the door


I thought suicide for a moment too, but what about the severed arm? Did he chop his arm off to kill himself? Highly unlikely. Suicidal people want their pain to end as quickly as possible they wouldn't have the willpower to do something that painful especially when cutting your wrists is just as effective and far more easier. Plus he'd be screaming in pain while cutting his own arm off alerting everyone else, which means he either died very quickly right after getting it cut off or he was already dead or unconscious when it was cut.

Aarronin said:

Character: It's weird to get praise from random people but get more criticism from your friends. But it does serve as a good loss for Oreki. While he did make an alternative, not even he considered all the variables. And I think he kinda got that he was played by Irisu and his own hubris, which was storked by Irisu. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.


Indeed. But I also thing he was playing Irisu in a way too. Perhaps not intentionally but just by habit. I think he kind've knew that his answer was incomplete when he first told Irisu because you could see he was sweating the whole time while waiting for her decision to accept his conclusion or not. He didn't want to have to go back to the drawing board because that would mean more work for him.

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Oreki's solution wouldn't hold even without the rope. The cameraman's actions would be contradictory; the murderer would put up a trick, but ruin it by blatantly showing himself as the killer. Why not kill the guy directly in front of everyone, at that point? It seemed a silly conclusion to me, and I'm glad it's apparently wrong. I'm still more amazed at the fact that Oreki never thought of asking why nobody bothered to contact Hongou herself: either it's a huge plot hole, or the solution lies here: but since every episode ends with the same line written on the screen, I'm pretty sure it's the latter.


The trick is to fool the viewer into thinking there was only 6 characters in the story. Yeah perhaps not the best trick but your forgetting that Hongou, who went through a bunch of sherlock holmes books before writing the plot was a total beginner at mystery scripts. She's not going to come up with some mystery masterpiece. They couldn't contact her because evidently she was too ill to be contacted and nobody wanted to bother her about a club project which isn't as important as one's health.

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Yeah it was unexpected, but even so, I don't think that girl author ( can't remember her name ) did better work.


Agreed. She while she had talent she was a beginner at mysteries. It's unlikely her plot would've been much or any better than Oreki's interpretation of it.
Apr 6, 2019 11:39 AM

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Irisu is best girl total.
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Jun 15, 2019 9:49 PM
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Maybe I didn't pay attention but why they didn't ask the author?

Great episode anyways!
Jul 8, 2019 6:44 PM

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I'm honestly glad that this wasn't the solution (it felt so plain). Let's see what the true one isss
Aug 13, 2019 3:33 PM
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I feel this episode really does convey that Houtaru is a smart fella. But even he is capable of making mistakes happy accidents. I mean, I already forgot about the rope too lol. Thanks for being observant, Mayaka!
Sep 18, 2019 1:06 AM

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bamboozled

this arc is actually pretty well done

The tch from the stuck-up guy seems like sour grapes, but is actually a hint something was wrong. I guess Oreki blowing off Irisu's criticism with the A.D.'s "who cares?" entertainment factor argument bit him in the ass

I noticed the pattern on the rope is like that of a coral snake, maybe a Speckled band reference?
Sep 19, 2019 8:23 PM

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Oreki has this tendency to turn inward and think deeply about himself whenever he meets one-on-one with a girl.

Though his idea seems too dependent on specific limitations of the production that I have a hard time believing are deliberate, unless they were included in the script (like shot composition) but they don't mention it.

But is this scriptwriter girl really so sick they can't just quickly ask what her intent was? Chitanda mistakenly refers to her as being dead, but she might as well be. Or is the 'Empress' putting some avant-garde script writing techniques into practice?
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Jan 23, 2020 9:35 AM
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Strange how this time, without thinking or trying to solve anything to enjoy more, I figured it out while watching the movie for the first time... It was just a random thought at first "What if the cameraman is one of them recording this as a documentary?" Oh, and about the rope: Didn't that guy in general lie about it in order to fortify his theory?
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Mar 18, 2020 4:32 AM

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His conclusion was good even if he didn't include the rope in it tbh
Jun 7, 2020 10:36 PM

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oh i, i won't lie Fuyumi definitely has quite a way with words and... looks. I'm not surprised if Houtarou fell for her charms because if i was in that situation i think i would have just melted right there. I'm a simple guy. If a girl complements me, even with something as 2 wayed as "You're special" it would stick with me for the rest of my life and i would forever treasure it.
Ngl shit is also kinda starting to, creep out. That convo Houtarou had with Satoshi before they got to school, although it could be seen as friendly cus well, their friends, that really dark glare and response from him made it sound really gloomy and jealous that Houtarou has something that he dosen't. I mean for all we know the dude could just be putting on a face when inside he's envious and hates how he dosen't have anything "special" going for him.
Lmao mister neet Tomohiro here really be fucking jealous that his "spider man assassin killer through the window with dead silence pro perk activated" wasn't correct. I mean the mention of rope at the end was a good cliffhanger point but god damn you couldn't of made me hate you character any more.
More importantly Chitanda suffered from a hangover??? Ok i did giggle at that and, oh my i guess she can't hold her alcohol very well xD
also small note: for anyone that has a good eye or was really into this episode for some reason (i was really into this episode leave me alone xD ) Very very start of the video, narrator points out "Several Volunteers" so for anyone that caught onto that part you got an early head start i suppose :P
Jun 18, 2020 11:46 AM
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For a sec I thought that the Mc was trying to lie in order to save energy
I didn’t believe his theory not because he didn’t include the rope (in fact I completely forgot about the rope) but because his theory didn’t explain how the body arm got cut so that’s why I thought he lied And made up a story to satisfy that girl and save energy.
Aug 27, 2020 9:56 AM
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Oh yeah, the whole cameraman thing makes sense when you think of it
Aug 29, 2020 8:31 AM

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Wow I thought this arc is finally concluded but that ending was a surprise. I never expected for Houtarou to missed that one clue.
Sep 13, 2020 7:00 AM

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so i guess the blind spot was also actually referring to that unforeseen twist with the rope? x) i guess even oreki has his blind spots. nevertheless, such clever writing! really enjoying hyouka - simple "mysteries" that are fun to watch & equally as engaging







but i’ll probably remember over and over again
you were there and everyone else was there
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Nov 3, 2020 4:55 PM
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Would’ve probably really enjoyed this series while it was still airing weekly and you get like a mystery of the week sort of scenario. For a binge watch not so much, I mean I’m still watching this at 4x speed


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Feb 4, 2021 4:15 AM

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Damn, one of the best episodes so far I think. It was a real mystery, and it was really fun seeing Hotaro try and solve this one, because it was complicated. Unfortunately, he got it wrong. What was the rope for? He forgot about this.

Not gonna lie, when I heard that he forgot about the rope my first thought was that Hongo might've requested the rope to commit suicide or something, but that's unlikely in this anime. So Hotaro made a mistake, and now they have almost no time left to shoot additional scenes for the movie. Wonder how they'll get out of this one.

Also, what was Eru trying to say?

Gotta say, Mayaka's growing on me. She's cute!
Apr 13, 2021 7:20 AM

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In this episode, Oreki and Irisu talked about what was the outcome of the meeting, and Oreki got acknowledged by Irisu

Well done again by Oreki by solving the unfinished movie

But It seems that there's a mistake coming from Oreki and that was what made Haba annoyed by wonder how will he fix that plot hole.

(The atmosphere and color changed when Mayaka told about the plot hole to Oreki hmm)
Jul 19, 2021 4:15 AM
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I totally forgot about the rope.....

And my theory only tell about 20% of what's actually happened
Nov 5, 2021 2:19 AM

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i totally forgot about the rope too! the way that last scene was done genuinely frightened me a little lmao i'm actually really excited now
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Dec 24, 2021 8:14 AM
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wait Oreki is wrong? damn
Jan 7, 2022 8:20 AM

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I felt sorry for Houtarou at the end, but doing what, everyone makes a mistake. He'll probably be pretty shaken up by his mistake, but he'll definitely solve the mystery later.
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Aug 29, 2022 10:13 AM
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It was really good just a little boring, like all the other episodes where they talk about the movie and the script.
Sep 28, 2022 4:30 PM

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another good episode. i'm a fan of this movie mystery so far and it looks like it'll continue for at least another episode
Nov 25, 2022 10:18 PM

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I f*kin knew it! Hes wrong!! Wrong!!


oh thank god. having it be the camera man seems kinda like a cop out. I pretty much rolled my eyes when they first brought it up. I mean I agree it works for a stupid student production but now I'm intrigued. I bet it was Sugimura since he's the only one who could have viewed the hallway entrance.
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Dec 3, 2022 4:42 PM

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So the mystery isn't over after all!! That ending was great. However, I didn't like how both Chitanda and Satoshi avoided Oreki at the end. I don't want him to become Fuyumi's pawn like Satoshi said and he shouldn't because that's how Oreki is, but for some reason he keeps losing his words and sweating when she's speaking to him which should never happen!!

Anyway, I can't wait to see the real mystery.
Come on man,where is that Noragami season 3 masterpiece.We want it, Bones!

Jun 13, 2023 12:47 PM
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Best episode of anime
Oct 27, 2023 9:19 PM

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Irisu surely have her way with her words. Blunt, straight-forward, and rude. I like her lol.

Also, I didn't expected that twist on the end. Just when I thought it was solved then there it is sheesh.

Jan 25, 2024 10:06 AM

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I breathed a sigh of relief when Oreki finally brought up the cameraman as a culprit, because I was worried the show was going to break one of the rules of detective fiction that it brought up earlier: namely that there has to be a culprit, and not something lame like the guy killed himself or it was an accident, etc.

Personally, my theory was that the person wasn't actually killed in that room, but dumped there.

Also, fuck that prop guy kissing his teeth at Oreki lol. Loser.
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Jul 11, 2024 10:27 AM

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*Pouting face* Booo... My brain immediately discarded cameraman due to this being filmed by an amateur, in a movie with amateur actors. + Cameraman isn't addressed by anyone. Some of the kids sometimes looking towards camera is what Oreki explains hinted about the 7th person, but really? These are amateur actors who half-assed their roles. It was more logical to assume they're indeed looking at the camera, instead of the 7th party member.

The ending is intriguing though. Maybe Oreki miscalculated there?
Jul 25, 2024 8:33 AM

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ohh no he fucked up for a first
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