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| 10/10, first words that I would say to Shouwa Genroku S2 Such a beautiful series, such a beautiful ending, such a satisfying closure, and bone chilling series.. Scared while watching episode 9 :D Just gonna say, anime world, this is how you do a closure to your anime. Best anime 2017 for sure. |
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| Honestly the father thing doesn't matter at all, Konatsu was a confused and revenge filled lady with mixed feelings towards Yakumo. Something probably happened or not, Konatsu doesn't exactly specify who the father is in last episode. Shin is Yotaro's kid, that's how it is and how it will always be. Btw this show is a 10/10, shame on anyone rating this lower then a 9. |
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| There's only one word to describe this anime- BRILLIANT! The type of emotional roller coaster ride that it took the audience was like none other. Even till the very end they managed to surprise. The reveal of Shinnosuke's biological father was a mind blowing factor; even though I'd the doubt, I had originally quickly discarded it. I hope that there will be more shows like this to come in the future. (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧ |
| A magnificent ending to this fantastic and beautiful anime, it really got me this ending, it's been a while since I had such a strong emotional shift from an anime! Quite wonderful story and especially character development I must say, really just loved it from start till end! |
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 Jin_uzuki said: That's not "oblivious", because nothing about Yakumo character suggested he would go along with sleeping with his adopted daughter, let alone when she's married to his apprentice. "Good foreshadowing" only pays off if it re-contextualize scenes in a way that makes sense with the characters' behaviors and personalities. In fact the series would make more sense without this "twist". Obvious. After thinking about it yeah, there were a bunch of subtle hints woven into the show. It also makes sense looking at how these characters are in retrospect and how Shinnosuke turned out. After all the only reason we only believe otherwise because of Yotarou's point of view and we all know how oblivious he can be; good hearted but oblivious. An illegitimate child by those two is far from farfetched given out complex and confusing their relationship is; which is a subtle throwback to the jumbled relations of Yakumo's youth that follows him throughout his life. akisame__ said: I think that's really stretching it lol. He was referring to what Konatsu was doing at home during the day because she's usually running errands, watching Yotaro perform or doing other things. Not taking naps and crying about her parents' death in her dreams. That was Konatsu speaking, not him. Go rewatch. Seriously though, anyone whose fixated on this should go rewatch. There are hints just about everywhere if you look closely, but that's all that are; hints. In the end the show never specifically confirmed or denied it. Just that in the final episode Eisuke ask Konatsu if either Yota-san or Shinnosuke-kun knows about it and she responds by saying with how close they are that she rather not do anything to hamper their relationship. It's implied that Yakumo is Shinnosuke's real father but never delved into because like many other facets of the show it's either not meant to be known in detail or it's not suppose to be a focus of the show. I.E people who are fussing over it are kinda fixated on the wrong things. This show is brilliant either way but I feel that revel just adds another layer of complexity to an already dense story. 10/10 if I'm not being super nitpicky. |
| Marathoning this show so early after my own father's death may not have been the best decision due to the amount of suffering explored in it, but it sure was a fantastic way to return to anime after 2 years. I think Studio Deen managed to redeem itself in my eyes with this, even if the animation was slightly off most of the time. And the close-ups, damn! But the surprisingly thrilling story makes up for that, and while it may make some missteps along the way, it is a fine tale that has the ability to hit many of the right notes in a viewer. Ishida did something unbelievable with his voice and turned Yakumo into an unforgetable character. Luckily, most of the other characters have believable attitudes as well, with their relationships and interactions often being low-key and sincere. Supporting and minor characters all breathe life into the series, as they all appear to be in their rightful time and place in the story. As for the implication... Well, I don't buy it and I am glad they closed the issue on an ambiguous note. People talk of clues and hints being spread all over, but not only do they seem circumstantial, they are also ambiguous enough for people to derive different meanings from them. Honestly, I had no idea. In my mind, from start to finish, there was always another explanation to these scenes than what the people wrote here. So yes, for someone like me, the speculation really did come out of nowhere simply because the thought never entered my mind whilst I was watching the show. Ha! Even my reaction to grown up Shin was basically "here we go with the same-faces again". Although, at some point in the series, I thought that Mangetsu is likely the father, but I gave it no further thought beyond that. I will definitely find the time to watch this again in the future. |
| Shinnosuke straight up looks exactly like both Sukeroku and Yakumo when he's telling rakugo dammit How could something this good ever end?? Ahhhhhhhh |
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| Matsuda-san still lives to this day, so the legends say. |
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| I'm completely shook. I watched season 1 an 2 in merely 2 days and this has become one of my favourite anime's of all time. That revelation about Shin-chan was so crazy but I really liked it! but I'm still a bit confused because Master Yakumo said he wanted rakugo to die with him, but did he mean his own style of rakugo or was it rakugo in general? and why? since he had the promise he made with Sukeroku and later with Yotaro? hum maybe some details slipped by me... Also I really emphatize with Master Yakumo, he did so much for them, I'll love him forever <3 such a great anime! I can't believe it's over now! T.T |
| "Who are you calling a regular cabaret girl? GET ON YOUR KNEES! I'M THE QUEEN OF KABUKI DISTRICT!" |
| Urgh that was a really good end to a really good series. I loved every moment of this amazing show and I wish more people would watch it Sadly it's one of those things where anyone who is not Japanese and suddenly takes an interest in real rakugo would just be a weeb 10/10! |
| I'm Bruneian and I like anime. And Manchester United. And fat cats. |
| Eh, the additional suggestion that Shin's old man is Yakumo was not really necessary. Like another comment said, I could imagine people were gushing about how great this series was, and then BAM! right to the shins in the last episode, I agree that the ratings would've drooped a bit if they let this mothafucka loose in the 2nd, 3rd episode. I already suspected this from s1 and the hints are not imagined, they make perfect sense to me and evidently a lot of other people. The only hint I don't agree with is "what are you doing here during the day", now people are just imagining things now, the cantankerous man was very busy and was rarely at home during work hours. Mangetsu was a possible less cringy option, but seeing how he reacted to seeing the baby for the first time, being completely out of the loop, and then exasperated, asking who the husband is, and not being an idiot like Yotaro and connecting the dots... He simply cannot be the father short of the mangaka willing it. Still gonna give it a 10, but I personally didn't like it, surprisingly I found another anime that did this (somewhat popular) more palatable, and the themes that it went through was extremely relatable and humanised the parent's, though you may not agree you can understand their decision making process. |
Cloud_IllusionJul 15, 2017 8:14 AM
| Nothing can happen until you swing the bat. |
| When i finished the first season, with both Sukeroku and Miyokichi dead and a return to the present at the end, I figured that this season likely would not hold a candle to the tragic story revolving around Bon, Sukeroku and Miyokichi..I didn't care at all for Yotaru at that point and was pretty afraid of watching this for fear of ruining that story. I didn't think a present day part of the show was at all necessary either. I'm glad it wasn't it's own separate story, but rather continued the story of the three. While i still think out of the two, the first season was far better, episode 11 of this season was well worth watching, this season finally returned to the height that the first season produced thanks to that episode. I still would rather watch more of Sukeroku than Yotaru though, but it was still a good season. This series is definitely one of those series where its going to be hard to find something similar that packs the same punch. |
 "To be yourself in a world that is constantly trying to make you something else is the greatest accomplishment" |
| So Kikuhiko didn't take rakugo with him in the end...it sure has evolved, though. From the opening scene where Shinnosuke is listening to rakugo on a fancy iPod, to the new stories being created, to Konatsu being the first woman rakugo performer (finally!)... A great conclusion, except for the squicky implication/hint that Konatsu and Kikuhiko might've boned at some point. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| A good way to wrap up the story. One thing that I surely won't forget is how Kikuhiko performed the "Shinigami". |
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| Wowowow. What a great finale! I admit this season was a bit less enjoyable for me in comparison with the first one, because I was not as invested in the main characters (konatsu, yota) as I was with Kiku and Shin. But the last 4 episodes have been nothing short of amazing. I loved how Kiku's character was thoroughly analyzed and developed, the afterlife moments where he basically makes peace with his past and leaves his guilt for something that he didn't do behind, his perpetual suicidal thoughts because of the events of S1 and watching the new generation grow up, then have kids of their own etc. There are new characters but the heart of the show, Shin and Kiku's rakugo still resonates with them. Yota's character also grew on me, I remember watching the first ep. of this season and disliking both his character and his rakugo. Konatsu was also a very interesting character, because of her inner conflicts and contradictory feelings. Last but not least, I think the VAs did a spectacular job in both seasons. The first season was an easy 10/10 for me, this is a 9/10, AOTY (so far) |
| Matsuda-san is just immortal and he's so kind at the scary level, huge respect for him. So Konatsu became a badass mother and Koyuki is basically a younger version of her mom. One thing keeps bothering me, is it true that Shin-chan is the child of Konatsu and Kikuhiko ? even She mentioned it herself that all hatred and jealously towards Kiku-san might be a romantic love knowing she can't be honest to herself, And kiku-san is a good looking old man afterall. I honestly think she might "did" it with him. Just look at the adult version of Shin-chan, he looks exactly like Kikuhiko. But anyways, i truly enjoyed the series where all the characters grow old together like this one, and i like the love hate relationship between all of them, definitely a masterpiece for such an underrated anime series . 10/10 |
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| I felt guilty for leaving this anime for so long because i get bored midway . but im glad i could finish this. great anime , that hint though , shin father is yakumo (my thought) . some seems so disgusted with this . just dont imagine this further. but shin looks so cheerful while he was a kid but when he grow he look so gloomy im just glad i watched this show |
| Wow, I can belive that old guy thought Yuurakutei Yakumo is the real father of Shinnosuke... Like he would have f*cked his stepdaughter. |
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| In my opinion the implication of Yakumo being father of the child of Konatsu makes the esteem that I had for him go down and below. I mean, it's okay that you love her, but in other way, not romantically, she is your step daughter for goodness sake! For the rest of the show it was completely fantastic. This whole work is a masterpiece, excluding that unnecessary scene... |
| Karasuno Fight!!! |
| I think this was a great ending. I especially liked how Matsuda-san was there and how Yota changed the ending to Shinigami. |
| your waifu is shit |
| Great ending! I'm still sad for Yakumo's death, I got so attached to him even though I knew he would die in the end... As for Yakumo's being the father... I don't really care, I mean, I never saw him as the father of Konatsu and I doubt Konatsu saw him as a father. Someone here said (sorry, I don't know who after reading walls of text) that they were more like a family and I agree with that person. Being a family don't mean that they have to be father and daughter. I don't even think he's suited to be a "father" and I doubt that he took care of Konatsu as a father would do but I guess that's up to everyone. I really don't know why there are people that got mad, they didn't affirmed nor denied it, if you don't like it or feel uncomfortable because you think they're like father-daughter then ignore it and think of it as a tease, after all we were tricked in the first season with Shin and Miyokichi's death, so... why wouldn't they try to trick us again? I enjoyed this anime so much I wonder why I didn't watched it earlier, it certainly will stick with me, one of my favorites. |
| I can't say I like the "reveal" (although nothing was confirmed) that Shin is Yakumo's son, but I can understand it. She was young and things happen. I can't say I'm not disappointed in Yakumo for letting it happen, but then again, we have no idea of the details of what happened that night. I'm actually just glad that, even throughout all of misfortunes and hardships they've all gone through, they were able to grow a healthy, functional family :) I had no idea I would love this show as much as I did when I started this season. Season 1 was very good, but I feel like I didn't enjoy it as much as I just appreciated it. I can say for certain that this season was amazing episode after amazing episode without any breaks, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Rakugo is such a beautifully written and directed character-driven drama, and I'm gonna miss it. "Something this good could never go away!" 😊 |
AndoNov 3, 2017 5:40 PM
| It's a great finale of Shouwa Genroku. The 2nd season is even better than the first one. Yakumo is such a great, likable character. About the "shocking reveal" scene, since there is no confirmation, I just pretended I didn't watch that scene at all. :v |
SUBA1995Nov 17, 2017 7:42 PM
| I've finally finished this work of art. This anime has easily gone up to my top 10 through its storytelling masterpiece. 10/10 for me. It had no grand action, no superpowers but nevertheless the slice of life was so powerful it was gut wrenching. In regards to the potential "reveal" I went through several emotional phases at the idea of Yakumo being Shin's father, from denial, to shock, to disgust. But all these feelings just went through my head in minutes. I never got a hint of a "father-daughter" relationship between Yakumo and Konatsu though. In the end after I thought really well about it I found Shin's heritage almost poetic. It was a mix of karmic retribution meant to haunt Yakumo till the end of his life and a general reality, that, no matter how much they try to live a flawless and dignified life, humans are imperfect and they f*&k up, like Yakumo did if he really was Shin's dad. And this makes me like Yakumo even more as a character. Also Konatsu must have been close to 30 when she remained pregnant. |
| I mean. That was one hell of a finale. I honestly really dig season 1, but I completely binge watched season 2. Although it was still focused on rakugo, the vignettes stringing the performances together were more held together. There was a lot more going for it. Also bless Matsuda! He's lived past two generations and even beath death itself! I'm sad we didn't get the best girl nomination people like Kaiki (Monogatari) have had in the past. And while I was thrown off by the father reveal like everyone else, I don't think it matters in the long run. If I had to subscribe to a theory though, I'd have to side with Yakumo. The rationalization there is, just as Konatsu was protected from her memories of p much killing her parents, Konatsu chose not to confirm who the father is in order to protect the lives of everyone involved. And that's fine. Not to mention all of the supposed hints. But I've also heard things like this are never outright stated (like the infamous yuri on ice kiss). Giving this one a 9/10. A masterpiece certainly, and very close to perfect. |
| I hate myself for pausing this in February. Easily the best anime I've watched all year. What a ride of emotion I had today finishing this. That reveal about Shin-chan...lol wow. Also, can someone do me a favor and message me a timeline of this and S1? Last episode at the earliest is in 2010, due to the smartphone but I don't understand the characters' ages and overall timeline. Much appreciated if anyone has any info. |
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| Sigh... after putting it on hold mid season 2 I finally ended up watching it and ... sigh, now I have no more Rakugo to watch... ah, this series was so good and with this last episode it even extended what I liked about this series the most which is the passing of time and eras. Nice bombshell with Yakumo being Shinosuke's father. I didn't guess it at all even though when I watched the preview for this episode at the end of 11 I had a thought. "This should be Shinosuke right? Damn he looks much more like Yakumo than anybody else". And indeed even thought the series does not confirm it, at the very least when he was doing his performance, especially the eye movement was 100% Yakumo. Sigh... I would say I want yet another season but at this point the series really have a great conclusion. It might feel like open ending and the next season could very easily be about Rakugo in the modern era with Shinosuke as the MC but... yea Rakugo without Yakumo would never be the same. I remember in first season where there is Yotaro being portrayed as the MC but then rest of the show being the flashback. When we reached second season I thought that Yotaro would finally took his place as MC but no, MC was Yakumo all along and he was the best MC we could have hoped for. In the end this series is about the passing of eras, how Rakugo changes yet stays the same and lastly about the kid known as Bon about the man known as Kiku and about old man known as Yakumo wth the three of them being the same person. Ah, right, this series was from the winter 2017 wasn't it... in that case it is easy my AOTY, especially when it doesn't really have much competition. |
eso18Dec 30, 2017 11:34 AM
| 9/10 I'm glad I accidentally found this amazing anime and decided to watch it. I love everything in this series: the story, the characters, rakugo, the voice actors (especially Ishida Akira. He really did a great job voicing both young and old Yakumo), EXCEPT Yakumo being Shinnosuke's father which is why I rated this 8/10. Some people said that it's not a problem as they aren't blood related, but it just feels so wrong, at least for me. Imagine it if you're female: your father turned out to be your foster parent. Would you have a romantic relationship with him? As for me, I would feel really weird even tho he's not my biological father. And if you're in Shinnosuke's place, wouldn't you feel weird that your grandfather turned out to be your father? Shinnosuke know that Yakumo isn't his grandfather, but I think he always sees him as his grandfather. Well, no wonder I kept feeling a romantic atmosphere between Yakumo and Konatsu throughout the series. I kinda feel bad for Sukeroku. Just like the comment I found on kissanime: "Poor Sukeroku... He lost the Yakumo title to his best friend, His wife was banged by his best friend, she literally loved his best friend more than he, married him out of revenge to his best friend, gave birth to their child out of revenge, who was later banged by the same best friend, died before his best friend, and even failed to cross the river to heaven before his best friend. Damn.." It's funny but true XD BUT despite all that, I still love this series! I guess I'll just ignore that part. |
airingelaDec 31, 2017 8:50 AM
| I hate romance story coz I don't have romance in my life. Yea..I'm such a salty b*tch. |
Ariscottle said: The "falling in love with your father-figure" Josei trope strikes again. I saw it coming, but was hoping Rakugo could buck the trend... alas my hope was misplaced. Either way, a phenomenal series that leaves an impact. Much like many of the stories in Rakugo, this series is an instant classic. Josei mangakas and their daddy issues are everywhere. It really is odd. |
| I don't know how to feel about the last revelation. I don't like it. Very off putting... |
Albi-kunMar 8, 2018 7:38 PM
| Life doesnt follow proper rules and "weird" things happen. Especially to people who lived through some extreme circumstances and in a different culture and time. Just go on the internet sites like Quora and look up all the weird things that happen to people every day around the world. Hell, some really strange stuff might have happened in your family and you may not even know it. I still think the father might have been Mangetsu though. That said, I was a bit more entranced by the first season. The second one seemed a bit weaker in the first quarter. Mainly because I didnt like Yotarou that much. I dont like those screaming anime characters in general. The overblown part when he was screaming at that Yakuza boss was the lowest point of the show from me. Thankfully it picked up again from episode 4 forward with amazing peaks in episodes 10 and 11. Overall, this is a great show I will surely return to in the future. |
Oh_Rusty_NailApr 2, 2018 10:15 AM
| I loved the fact than Konatsu finally got to do rakugo, bummed we didn't get to see her preform though! I have mixed feelings about the father reveal, for this reason I prefer season one over the sequel. Regardless of the supposed 30-something age gap- part of me is grossed out by a a young person banging an older person (it happens irl, and I find it gross irl) that took her in and raised her- regardless of non-existent parental/emotional feelings or not, regardless of revenge sex (which is way weirder) or not. It leaves a weird taste in my mouth. That's my only grievance about this anime. I want to pretend the real world isn't weird and things like this aren't probable & don't happen. This may be a little pretentious of me to say, but from my experience I've known a lot of females from school & work with daddy problems, and it seems to be those girls that like way older men the most. So hey, MAYBE this anime is more realistic than you or I would like to believe. That sort of dramatic innuendo is just not my cup of tea, I didn't want to pick up on those hints, yet part of me enjoys being surprised because I wanted to pretend they were not eluding to something of the such. Nonetheless, I still would've preferred something more subtle than that seemingly blatant confirmation at the end; this 2nd season would have been perfect if only the conversation with Sensei to not have happened, for the father mystery to be more up in the air with the "hints" remained speckled throughout!! Subtlety is a beautiful thing... Part of me wishes this series unexpectedly turned into a yaoi instead All in all it was an enjoyable series. I didn't know what Rakugo was before this, I'm grateful to have learned about it. I'm happy to have watched this show, it wasn't cliche or annoyingly predictable iimo... and it had a very nice eloquent flow overall 8/10 |
SmortcholMay 17, 2018 3:03 AM
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| I think I dislike the heavy implication Konatsu and Yakumo banged because it completely makes Yakumo seem like a skeezy fucker, whereas I really liked him before. Regardless of whether she was in love with him or not, Yakumo raised her. He's been watching her since she was a small child. Incredible power and age gap between them. Yeah of course she could never tell Shinnosuke. Knowing you born because your grandpa and mom birthed you probably would put a bit of a damper on your admiration for the dude. |
| I liked the last episode much more than episode 11, this was a really fine ending. The father revelation was pretty awesomely done. One of the best dramas for sure. P.S. Matsuda-san <3 |
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