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Jan 25, 2014 11:51 AM
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*collective gasp from the community* They've gone crazy! Hold on. There is usually a method to our madness...: This thread may come as a surprise to those of you who actually took the time to read my giant post on how Forum (and other) Moderators are hired. In the past, we have stated that "Every post you make on the forum and every comment you make to other users on the site is your application to be a Forum Moderator." And while this is still true, our "applications" have been steadily reducing to nothingness. During our last nominations process, only 3 candidates in 15 ended up completing and passing all rounds of the application. And these were nominations that we spent several weeks compiling. Many users criticised us of only choosing moderators which were active in series boards (seemingly forgetting that one of the big complaints we hear often is how episode discussion threads need more active moderation). Truthfully, it was never our intention to select only these moderators. Unfortunately, it just worked out that the candidates we had that posted regularly and reasonably in AD/CD either were not interested in the position or did not make it through the application process. After thinking considerably about this problem and how we might tackle it, we decided that changing things up for once - as a trial run - might be beneficial. And while internal applications are preferable for Forum Moderators since trust in a user's community skills is not something that can be demonstrated on an application form, it could be that we are missing a few passionate and dedicated individuals during our searches. We'd also like to dispel the myth that it's impossible to become a Forum Moderator and any general apathy that this idea may foster. As I stated in my previous post on the matter, I am probably the strongest advocate for open applications on the staff. They are a lot of work and often increase the number of unsuitable applications that need to be processed, but it brings the moderating team in closer contact with more members of the community and has the potential to unearth "hidden gems". With the Review Moderators, we attempted to trial a "nomination" application system (partially because I was curious to see if we could extend this to Forum Moderators), but in the end it just created more confusion than anything else. For this reason, I do not believe we will be repeating this process again. My subtle request for community nominations at the end of my giant post also went completely unanswered (not a single PM!). I would like to firmly note that we will be judging all applications on the same level as we would an internal nomination, which will also include a thorough evaluation of the candidate's conduct on the site and a second round of practical testing (aka stalking and sadistic grilling). The core of the selection process will not change. All this "trial run" will likely mean is that we have more applications than normal. If this application process does not yield any better results and is just more work on our part (yay!) without any benefit, then we will return to our traditional method of internal nominations and private messages. But I hope that this trial run with change things up just enough to find some excellent Forum Moderator candidates from amongst the community that we may not otherwise. We are currently looking for helpful individuals who have a passion for interacting with the community and would like to be part of MAL's staff. All moderator positions are voluntary. A Forum Moderator's duties include:
Forum Moderators must:
To apply for a Forum Moderator position after understanding the responsibilities of one, please send me a PM with the following:
Submissions will be open for two weeks, ending on Saturday, February 8, 2014 at 23:59 Pacific Time. An extension has been granted for select candidates. We ask that you please consider this carefully. Most often, the position is not a simple "move/delete/lock thread" and "remove spam" type of job. As a forum moderator, you will be in constant contact with the community - and quite often, with angry and/or aggressive users. You will constantly be wading through the middle of disputes and user problems, which means you must be able to look at situations objectively, keep a level head and consistently conduct yourself in a manner befitting your position. Simply having the title of "Forum Moderator" gives a lot grief. You need to be able to manage the pressure without abusing your position and still have the passion to continue moderating. Users who have been warned or banned in the past can apply, but obviously how long ago the warning/ban occurred, the reason(s), and if the user's behaviour has improved since then will be taken into consideration. If you are such a user, I would also recommend that you comment on this infraction(s) and whether you have learned from it. We also ask that you use discretion in whom you discuss your application with. Casually mentioning this process in this thread, on the forum and/or on IRC will be considered flaunting, and may negatively affect your application. Similarly, please refrain from nominating other community members in this thread (e.g. Kineta4Mod!); applications are not a popularity contest. And no, I will not be providing the community with a list of applicants, so please do not ask me for it. We also suggest that you read this entire post (including spoilers) at least three times before applying for this position to become Luna's personal slave... and we reserve the right to be unimpressed if you cannot follow these simple instructions. Please feel free to send me a PM asking any questions you may have about the duties and/or required skills of the position. We look forward to reading your applications! Thank you for your interest :) Edit: Typos. Why did it have to be typos? -- Indiana Kineta |
KinetaFeb 9, 2014 8:22 AM
Jan 25, 2014 12:03 PM
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Good luck everyone! The MAL forums does need more of these so best of luck to those who decides to apply! |
Jan 25, 2014 12:20 PM
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Jan 25, 2014 12:22 PM
#4
I wish good luck to the nominees. |
Jan 25, 2014 12:41 PM
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Jan 25, 2014 12:46 PM
#6
heres hoping we get some good new mods, while the quality if uncertain there is still one certainty, good or bad they will find someway to piss lupadim off |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Jan 25, 2014 12:50 PM
#7
Have fun future mods, everyone will call you newfags. |
Jan 25, 2014 12:55 PM
#8
I am soooo looking forward to this. Best of luck to all the applicants! |
HeddieJan 25, 2014 1:13 PM
Jan 25, 2014 12:56 PM
#9
"Be at least 18 years old." "Submissions will be open for two weeks, ending on Saturday, February 8, 2014 at 23:59 Pacific Time." Well darn. And I only have a few months before I can apply too. EDIT: Well, good luck to those who apply! |
removed-userJan 25, 2014 12:59 PM
Jan 25, 2014 12:57 PM
#10
Really looking forward to more moderation. |
Jan 25, 2014 1:21 PM
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Jan 25, 2014 1:44 PM
#12
I love the "open application" idea. I appreciate the hard work from our current mods, but extra hands won't hurt. Good luck to the applicants! |
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Jan 25, 2014 1:48 PM
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Jan 25, 2014 1:57 PM
#14
Woo! Like Stark said, more Forum Moderators are needed! I would apply myself, but for one, I'm too young, and more importantly, I've already tarnished my reputation here! Good luck to anyone who applies. And the same to you Kineta; I hope this process proves useful. |
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Jan 25, 2014 2:12 PM
#15
How do you guys look upon previous offenses? I might have done some really dumb stuff in the past, that might have gotten me banned in the past. How will this affect my application? |
Jan 25, 2014 2:19 PM
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2-D said: How do you guys look upon previous offenses? I might have done some really dumb stuff in the past, that might have gotten me banned in the past. How will this affect my application? I personally think that that shouldn't effect things (unless it was really major). As I'm 16 tomorrow, I can apply in two years, right? |
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Jan 25, 2014 2:33 PM
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2-D said: Kineta addresses this in her post:How do you guys look upon previous offenses? I might have done some really dumb stuff in the past, that might have gotten me banned in the past. How will this affect my application? Kineta said: Users who have been warned or banned in the past can apply, but obviously how long ago the warning/ban occurred, the reason(s), and if the user's behaviour has improved since then will be taken into consideration. If you are such a user, I would also recommend that you comment on this infraction(s) and whether you have learned from it. |
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Jan 25, 2014 2:39 PM
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I never learn from my infractions though. Guess that means im out. |
Jan 25, 2014 2:41 PM
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Diran-kun said: Only if they need Forum Moderators then.As I'm 16 tomorrow, I can apply in two years, right? |
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Jan 25, 2014 2:48 PM
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Jan 25, 2014 2:52 PM
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TallonKarrde23 said: Well they wouldn't need Forum Moderators if the site didn't exist. I win.IntroverTurtle said: Diran-kun said: Only if they need Forum Moderators then.As I'm 16 tomorrow, I can apply in two years, right? Only if the site exists still.* |
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Jan 25, 2014 2:55 PM
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IntroverTurtle said: Diran-kun said: Only if they need Forum Moderators then.As I'm 16 tomorrow, I can apply in two years, right? I'll make them need Forum Moderators by ravaging the forums and making them a huge mess. |
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Jan 25, 2014 2:57 PM
#24
I'm definitely qualified for the position but I would likely be declined due to occasional shenanigans for the greater good of Mal. I guess it all comes down to conflicting views on how the site should be moderated. |
Jan 25, 2014 3:15 PM
#25
Sounds interesting i've been a moderator in 3 forums and 2 image boards as well if I wasn't so lazy I'd apply for this one because i have no life whatsoever.. anyway good luck to everyone who's applying ~ btw you guys should take mods over 21+ you don't want younglings rookies do you? they can screw up a lot and not do a great job. |
Jan 25, 2014 3:16 PM
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Badu said: Sounds interesting i've been a moderator in 3 forums and 2 image boards as well if I wasn't so lazy I'd apply for this one because i have no life whatsoever.. anyway good luck to everyone who's applying ~ btw you guys should take mods over 21+ you don't want younglings rookies do you? they can screw up a lot and not do a great job. Any one can screw up, regardless of age. |
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Jan 25, 2014 3:18 PM
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Badu said: just because someone is older doesn't make them anymore qualified than someone who is younger.Sounds interesting i've been a moderator in 3 forums and 2 image boards as well if I wasn't so lazy I'd apply for this one because i have no life whatsoever.. anyway good luck to everyone who's applying ~ btw you guys should take mods over 21+ you don't want younglings rookies do you? they can screw up a lot and not do a great job. |
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Jan 25, 2014 3:23 PM
#28
I decline. Stop contacting me!! |
Jan 25, 2014 3:58 PM
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YorozuyaGinSan said: I'm definitely qualified for the position but I would likely be declined due to occasional shenanigans for the greater good of Mal. I guess it all comes down to conflicting views on how the site should be moderated. Honestly if I were in your shoes I would apply anyway. If nothing else, the feedback you include in your application could be helpful to the mod team overall, even if they don't choose you and don't agree on everything (e.g. those views you say are conflicting) there could still be something that was worth passing on to them. An idea or detail that can be incorporated somewhere. And now on to the post at large. Best of luck to everyone who applies, and I hope the application process goes as smoothly for all involved (applicants and current mods) as is possible. |
Jan 25, 2014 4:05 PM
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I'd consider - if and only if - either Avatar or RWBY are considered to be anime. |
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Jan 25, 2014 4:08 PM
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Emnay said: Exactly. Age doesn't define maturity.Badu said: just because someone is older doesn't make them anymore qualified than someone who is younger.Sounds interesting i've been a moderator in 3 forums and 2 image boards as well if I wasn't so lazy I'd apply for this one because i have no life whatsoever.. anyway good luck to everyone who's applying ~ btw you guys should take mods over 21+ you don't want younglings rookies do you? they can screw up a lot and not do a great job. I would like to add though, that with age comes experience. The older the person, the more likely they've gotten a job or college education which would come in handy for a position like this. |
LeahJan 25, 2014 4:39 PM
Jan 25, 2014 4:09 PM
#33
This will be fascinating. |
Jan 25, 2014 4:37 PM
#34
Good luck all - this is, by no means, an easy feat to handle! |
Jan 25, 2014 5:06 PM
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Kineta said: This thread may come as a surprise to those of you who actually took the time to read my giant post on how Forum (and other) Moderators are hired. In the past, we have stated that "Every post you make on the forum and every comment you make to other users on the site is your application to be a Forum Moderator." And while this is still true, our "applications" have been steadily reducing to nothingness. Actually, not really surprising as I find your reqiurements ridiculously high. I would never go as far as creating a RizonBNC acc just to idle as much as possible in there. Especially given the fact that moderation positions are "voluntary". You demand too much in my eyes for nothing but work in return. So I am not really surprised that there aren't that many people actually applying and of those who do passing your yet additional "tests". On the other hand though I think the moderation the last days and weeks was fine as I have seen. Apparently MAL still has a problem with the bots but still. Ah, well. We'll see how that will go. |
Jan 25, 2014 5:48 PM
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Good luck trying to be a mal mod. |
Jan 25, 2014 5:59 PM
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Kineta said: I fit all of these qualifications.Forum Moderators must:
Hmm. Mod Edit: Removed quote of deleted post. |
KinetaFeb 6, 2014 3:09 PM
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Jan 25, 2014 6:40 PM
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Kineta said: Edit: Typos. Why did it have to be typos? -- Indiana Kineta *shifty eyes* D-don't look at me.. ;w; Good luck to all applicants. It might be refreshing to know that the review/rec mods won't be the newest addition any more. |
SnakesJan 25, 2014 10:48 PM
Jan 25, 2014 6:49 PM
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i guess you need more moderators to delete spam threads and ban spam bots right? why not do this suggestion instead - http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=718201 |
Jan 25, 2014 6:50 PM
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I think it would be better if Xinil was able to code something so you could have senior users for the forums. Users that can't delete anything but can hide them until a mod can do something about it. No duties, just doing that when they see something worth it, would probably get way more volunteers. Would really help out the mods as someone could hide it before it gets out of hand. |
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Jan 25, 2014 6:57 PM
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IntroverTurtle said: And perhaps have an amount of hidable topics set per user, so one rabid senior user doesn't go ham randomly when they get pissed/drunk and starts hiding everything.I think it would be better if Xinil was able to code something so you could have senior users for the forums. Users that can't delete anything but can hide them until a mod can do something about it. No duties, just doing that when they see something worth it, would probably get way more volunteers. Would really help out the mods as someone could hide it before it gets out of hand. |
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Jan 25, 2014 7:01 PM
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IntroverTurtle said: Yeah that is a fair point, you should apply for the position seeing that you are a senior user with a lot of anime knowledge :)I think it would be better if Xinil was able to code something so you could have senior users for the forums. Users that can't delete anything but can hide them until a mod can do something about it. No duties, just doing that when they see something worth it, would probably get way more volunteers. Would really help out the mods as someone could hide it before it gets out of hand. |
Jan 25, 2014 7:02 PM
#43
Korrvo said: I guess something like that. Though I think they would be considered senior users because they would never do that. They'd do way less damage than a pissed/drunk mod though, hiding can be easily reversed.IntroverTurtle said: And perhaps have an amount of hidable topics set per user, so one rabid senior user doesn't go ham randomly when they get pissed/drunk and starts hiding everything.I think it would be better if Xinil was able to code something so you could have senior users for the forums. Users that can't delete anything but can hide them until a mod can do something about it. No duties, just doing that when they see something worth it, would probably get way more volunteers. Would really help out the mods as someone could hide it before it gets out of hand. ShanaFlame said: I probably would if they had it. And anime knowledge doesn't really help. I think it's all the responsibility that scares people off from being mods. If they didn't have that, more people wouldn't mind helping. A lot of people report things already.Yeah that is a fair point, you should apply for the position seeing that you are a senior user with a lot of anime knowledge :) |
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Jan 25, 2014 7:03 PM
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IntroverTurtle said: I think it would be better if Xinil was able to code something so you could have senior users for the forums. Users that can't delete anything but can hide them until a mod can do something about it. No duties, just doing that when they see something worth it, would probably get way more volunteers. Would really help out the mods as someone could hide it before it gets out of hand. Ahhh, Xinil. Yeah... |
Jan 25, 2014 7:09 PM
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IntroverTurtle said: Yeah you have to be qualified for the job and show a level of maturity, the main factor would be the amount of time you have to spend on the site which I think cuts down the number of applicants.I probably would if they had it. And anime knowledge doesn't really help. I think it's all the responsibility that scares people off from being mods. If they didn't have that, more people wouldn't mind helping. A lot of people report things already. |
Jan 25, 2014 7:23 PM
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worldeditor11 said: IntroverTurtle said: I think it would be better if Xinil was able to code something so you could have senior users for the forums. Users that can't delete anything but can hide them until a mod can do something about it. No duties, just doing that when they see something worth it, would probably get way more volunteers. Would really help out the mods as someone could hide it before it gets out of hand. Ahhh, Xinil. Yeah... Rip Xinil. |
Jan 25, 2014 7:38 PM
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IntroverTurtle said: I think it would be better if Xinil was able to code something so you could have senior users for the forums. Users that can't delete anything but can hide them until a mod can do something about it. No duties, just doing that when they see something worth it, would probably get way more volunteers. Would really help out the mods as someone could hide it before it gets out of hand. I don't like that idea at all. It's not right for a non-staff member to have the power to do that and would also really upset users it happens to who then would either; 1. attack the 'senior user' which ends up in user harassment and the user being punished when you essentially baited him by hiding his thread, and 2. would make it more convoluted to deal with for the staff when the user inevitably goes to bitch about it to the staff. Plus if you're mistaken or wrong at all now the user feels wronged (rightfully so) and again this causes more issues between a user and other users as well as the staff. It's essentially a form of allowed-baiting. There are many other issues, it's just fucking stupid no matter what though. If you are not part of the staff you should have no ability to do a thing. It's basically just people acting as mods on some level when not being them, which is already against the rules for a reason. If you are not part of the staff you are not in a position to judge whether something is against the rules or not or to 'stop' anything 'before it gets out of hand'. You have no right to do that, and it should remain that way. That's literally the stupidest thing I've ever seen you post. |
TallonKarrde23Jan 25, 2014 7:42 PM
Jan 25, 2014 8:05 PM
#48
Forgetfulness said: It just seems like a lot of extra work that is essentially a waste of time for users and staff. Making a report is a sure-fire way to bring attention to a problem. Besides, not every user who has been around for a while has the same amount of experience with this site, so that kind of power or ability shouldn't be handed out to a group of random users based on a number. Applications work because they draw users who are genuinely interested in a job and also show the person(s) reviewing them whether the applicant is suited for it.What if multiple "senior users" are necessary to hide a thread? |
Jan 25, 2014 8:06 PM
#49
TallonKarrde23 said: IntroverTurtle said: I think it would be better if Xinil was able to code something so you could have senior users for the forums. Users that can't delete anything but can hide them until a mod can do something about it. No duties, just doing that when they see something worth it, would probably get way more volunteers. Would really help out the mods as someone could hide it before it gets out of hand. I don't like that idea at all. It's not right for a non-staff member to have the power to do that and would also really upset users it happens to who then would either; 1. attack the 'senior user' which ends up in user harassment and the user being punished when you essentially baited him by hiding his thread, and 2. would make it more convoluted to deal with for the staff when the user inevitably goes to bitch about it to the staff. Plus if you're mistaken or wrong at all now the user feels wronged (rightfully so) and again this causes more issues between a user and other users as well as the staff. It's essentially a form of allowed-baiting. There are many other issues, it's just fucking stupid no matter what though. If you are not part of the staff you should have no ability to do a thing. It's basically just people acting as mods on some level when not being them, which is already against the rules for a reason. If you are not part of the staff you are not in a position to judge whether something is against the rules or not or to 'stop' anything 'before it gets out of hand'. You have no right to do that, and it should remain that way. That's literally the stupidest thing I've ever seen you post. Thank you for your input, I don't know what I did to deserve that though. This is pretty off topic, might as well stop here. Forgetfulness said: It was a simple idea, I'm not too serious about it. First of all it involves Xinil coding something.But as for the idea itself...honestly Introver, I dunno who would do it. It seems quite a few of the very active "senior users" like to troll/rage/etc. every so often. Either that or I'm really living up to my username... And I'm not talking about those users who have just been here a while, I was talking about the ones who actively report. |
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Jan 25, 2014 8:13 PM
#50
*rubs hands in anticipation* This gon be real good. and so is this thread I already can tell who's gonna apply. Best of luck. |
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