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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- This episode is so intense, like a clash for Godzilla or something from a monster movie. Really neat it's the penultimate episode. I think this might be the most intense episode yet, goes to show how powerful the generals are. Really liked the music used in the big fight as well. The twin girls played their role too.  |
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| Anime original ending and get this over with pls. Just have a meteor crash into the Earth. |
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| That was quite an epic battle....Glad that Oshutoru made it out okay Finale time next week but I don't want this to end :( |
| Vurai became a terminator |
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| A lot of great action. Again the boss battle went a little bit different than in the game but eventually had the same effect. Dat after-credits scene tho Paulo27 said: Anime original ending and get this over with pls. VERY unlikely considering they kept intact the whole conflict within Yamato and its unlikely to get resolved in one episode. As one of generals said, the storm has started that is in nobody's power to stop now. |
AhenshihaelMar 19, 2016 11:25 AM
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| Season 3 please come please. Still waiting for original Hakuoro and more screen time for the rest of the Tsukuru. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| not bad, the fight felt a little cliche but was still entertaining enough. still don't get how Haku doesn't have the slightest burn after turning into a literal burning man though. |
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| Really action packed episode by far. What a fun fight! 5/5 |
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| Skimmed through most of the episode although we finally got some action... I just can't seem to care anymore >< |
Tokoya said: That was quite an epic battle....Glad that Oshutoru made it out okay Finale time next week but I don't want this to end :( Yes!! That fight was freaking epic!!! |
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Zapredon said: Season 3 please come please. Still waiting for original Hakuoro and more screen time for the rest of the Tsukuru. Final game of the trilogy comes out in September. So there are chances they'll announce anime too |
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| Okay so it's nice for us viewers and all to get some action but...both Vurai AND Oshutoru are completely insane. Initiating that kind of fight in the capital? Do you see that destruction?! Oshutoru what happened to protecting the people? There had to be some casualties up in there, although none were shown but it's not like the people were evacuated so... And what would the purpose me of "devour my soul, give me more power!" Um...if you're soul is devoured how you gonna rule properly after? Extra people. On another note these Aturuka's got some damn flashy looks. They look way cooler and stronger looking that Hakuoro did in the first anime. (I hope they just 'look' stronger tho. No one can actually beat the real thing!) And damn I got that impression too other wise why she be crying. Pls no. |
| Great action and all, but was the shonen-esque screaming right near the end at all necessary? Also, was Haku even remotely hurt by being ON FUCKING FIRE or did that not even remotely matter? And since when can Nekone use healing magic? Oh well, it's almost over and it seems like this series may still end halfway decent yet before a possible season 3 comes along to bring things to a close. Until then, I'm interested to see how this can even start to deal with some of the many plot threads that are currently on the table in the final episode. |
| Damn... I could somehow made it through all those Yaoi fillers but this episode really made me like the series even less. First there is random fight with Vurai, Vurai turns out to be too Overpowered so there is plot convenient counter in existence of those two chain girls. Then Vurai randomly dies... . I don't know I was watching it but somehow I did not see much in this episode at all PericlesD said: I didn't feel the sensation of an epic battle they tried to pass here Yep... I feel exactly the same, especially when that fight was poorly made and had poor and plot continent conclusion. The only good part about this episode was actually the few nice shaded faces of Oshtoru and Haku because I saw few frames in which the quality of animation suddenly jumped up by 8x. Now there is just one episode left but at this point what kind of ending there can be that would make the whole series satisfying... there is probably none. |
eso18 said: Yep... I feel exactly the same, especially when that fight was poorly made and had poor and plot continent conclusion. When the fight started i was expecting they settle this shit in hand to hand, like a bar fight lol  |
| Phew, that fight was really epic. Music was also pretty good. Just when I thought Vurai got wrecked by the twins he stood up again. Guess Haku is immune to fire or something lol. Glad Oshutoru made it out alive, although I feel a bit uneasy...those sparkles and Nekone crying don't bode well.. Hope it won't take too long for the third season, too many things unsolved. Also hoping for some more screen time for Tuskuru characters. |
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danieltortoisee said: Great action and all, but was the shonen-esque screaming right near the end at all necessary? Magic casting and spells are usually requiring some sort of ritual. Also, was Haku even remotely hurt by being ON FUCKING FIRE or did that not even remotely matter? The chains already sealed up most of the mask power by that point so Haku would not be that damaged. Then Vurai powered up via that chant and got enough power to square off against Oshutoru who did the same. And since when can Nekone use healing magic? Since the very start? That's her purpose. It was mentioned before and we have seen her healing Oshutoru's leg a bit last episode. eso18 said: Damn... I could somehow made it through all those Yaoi fillers but this episode really made me like the series even less. Character build up=/= filler. None of this would strike as much without the contrast and the build up of Haku's family and home. First there is random fight with Vurai, How is it random if Oshutoru and Vurai's relationship and rivalry has long since been established. How is it random if they have both been established as two most loyal Emperor's generals. Vurai turns out to be too Overpowered so there is plot convenient counter in existence of those two chain girls. Convenient? If a scientist creates a power, a scientist would most likely design a failsafe too. We know that the emperor delved in genetic experimentation a lot, having altered both his and Haku's bodies. Unless we believe Emperor to have been a complete pervert, it would be completely strange for him to assign two slave girls to Haku without any reason. We have SEEN Kamunagi cancel out Vurai's attack in Uzuruusha AND Vurai reacting to it and backing down. Then Vurai randomly dies... . Did you even pay attention to what was said in episode? Overuse of masks = BAD Use of masks after suffering a LOT of damage = bad. Vurai and Oshutoru's last chants = BAD. I mean you literally had them renounce their souls in exchange for power in that moment. Yep... I feel exactly the same, especially when that fight was poorly made and had poor and plot continent conclusion. Nice arguments. Now there is just one episode left but at this point what kind of ending there can be that would make the whole series satisfying... there is probably none. It was never about getting a "satisfying ending". Its a middle story in a trilogy. There will be a conclusion but not the one that magically resolves every plot thread. The conclusion will be in  |
AhenshihaelMar 19, 2016 1:07 PM
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| This anime! Loving it from start to finish(like I did season 1). That fight between Oshutoru and Vurai was crazy. The animation on the energy attacks were outstanding imo. Glad they sealed Vurai(or not lol. killed him.) Oshutoru is da man! |
| Please remember when complaining that this can't be concluded: This is not just an adaptation of a popular game for profit. It's also a thinly veiled advertisement for the upcoming sequel to said game. Just like in .hack//sign and .hack//roots, it's very much in the creators' interests to leave audiences unfulfilled and wanting to find the real conclusion, which they'll need to buy the next game to get. However, since the first series was not made with quite this intent, we at least have the potential for the third game to be animated some time down the road. |
| Meh.. I won't go into into debate about how those OP masks have no sense here after what happened in the first Umono (not to mention they even changed some lore to make them fit) as I blame writers they took the easy way out instead of coming with something new. The fight itself was cool, yes, but when we disregard all the animation we get almost nothing again. I expected some developement for MC or at least something... but obviously we didn't get it. What we got was tons of needless empty phrases to make this episode longer and to prepare the ground for the sequel. There were many problems with this episode: - Haku proving he's just observer again. He wanted to help Oshutoru yet he wasn't able to come with any plan on his own and twins have to come in. - When he finally tried to act and convince Nekone they should run he was talked into obedience and stayed instead. What kind of henpecked man he is? - Deus Ex Machina again. Those chains to seal them up came very conveniently, precisely in the moment it was needed. - Haku got another plot armor when Vurai tried to burn him. Yes, he tried to protect Nekone on his own but that was pretty foolish descision. - They defeated 'main villain' yet they are running away from their people? Why did they fought then in the first place? Why no to push their claim right now when they would have a chance to actually change something? They could easily use the twins and threat other generals into obedience. But no, they obviously have to fully regroup with everyone else so the story (and fanservice) can move on. I think it's safe to say now that Itsuwari no Kamen managed to do very poor job in telling its own story, unlike first Utawarerumono that has real beginning and the end (so much for this being a trilogy). Story of Haku really fails to deliver as throughout the series he didn't go through any character developement at all. And for background on Empire of Yamato and its people, one 90min long feature film would certainly be more than enough (yes, they could certainly do it with only four regular anime episodes). |
Mich666Mar 19, 2016 2:16 PM
| A nice episode, incredible! i hope that i won't have to wait too much for season 3! |
| That was one crazy episode. Loved it. That bromance at the end too. Hope to see another season after this. Absolutely love it. I noticed that too DX.. |
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| Please, make more explosions to hide the poor storyline ! |
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MartinLancerMar 19, 2016 3:12 PM
 Where is that ? It is missing. |
If you mean the monster in the pic, that's Vurai.  |
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Zapredon said: This. I can tolerate slow pacing so long as it gets appropriate material. If it gets rushed it simply leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Fight was good. I feel like it was lacking something that was present in ep 15. But then again that was meant to emphasize immeasurable power these forms produce. This one was more so about ending a grand rivalry (in Vurai's mind at least) and bring to heel reckless ambition and fascist ideologies. Oshotoru's power seemed a tad mediocre compared to Vurai's in appearance. But then again Vuri's is fire made to look like lasers. Perhaps they should've taken note of water attacks from Avatar. But then again Earth always looked cheesy when down with the other four elements.Season 3 please come please. Still waiting for original Hakuoro and more screen time for the rest of the Tsukuru. |
QWERTYFish25Mar 19, 2016 3:49 PM
| amazing fight and good thing Vurai is finally dead |
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| I might've missed something, but why was Haku able to withstand the fire from Vurai? O_o is he a secret powerhouse too? |
GBreakdown said: I might've missed something, but why was Haku able to withstand the fire from Vurai? O_o is he a secret powerhouse too? That only happened right after Kamunagi sealed his powers. So while Haku was somewhat hurt, it was not something major. |
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| While it was only to give Haku more relevance it wasn't as annoying as I thought it would be. |
| Wow something actually happened this episode instead of just build-up. The fight was pretty meh, felt cliche as hell. Why the fuck would Vurai give Oshutoru back his mask? He's trying to be emperor and crush all those that rebel again him and he decides to give his enemy the means to defeat him? Also wtf was with Haku and the priest girls interrupting the fight? They have no sense of honor or virtue to let two people fight amongst themselves? Also if the priest girls are so fucking OP why doesn't Haku use them more often? All he has them doing most of the time is making shields to protect his stupid ass, cause he keeps landing himself in dangerous situations. They're like walking plot armor and deus ex machina at the same time. Can't wait to be done with this show and it's continuous stream of BS. |
 "The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." -Friedrich Nietzsche |
| btw - that tower at 0:45 (whatever it is) where Haku was found, why they never returned there to explore it, was that even explained? Cause I'm positive they would found many answers there. But I guess it would be the same case as with that backstory memories Haku got in ep17.. cause it's not like he makes use any of it. eg. Haku without memories vs. Haku with memories = no difference |
LoneWolf said: Wow something actually happened this episode instead of just build-up. The fight was pretty meh, felt cliche as hell. Why the fuck would Vurai give Oshutoru back his mask? He's trying to be emperor and crush all those that rebel again him and he decides to give his enemy the means to defeat him? . I could answer that, somewhat. Vurai has always seen Oshutoru as his equal. Even when he was locked away it brought him no joy, unlike Denkopopo. Further seen with him striking the guard who was ordered by a superior to whip him into a confession. Vurai sees Yamato's survival being linked to the hip by the strength of who will lead it, even with him calling bullshit with Anju's succession rights he has a great deal of respect towards Oshutoru's words. In summation, this was something of a means of fighting for the fate of Yamato as well as seeing who was truly the strongest of the two. What I am saying is slightly bullshit since little care was taken towards the survival of the princess while pursured her "captors." But one could argue both that Vurai was sure Anju's like would only be a hindrance to Yamato's future and also others in the capital plotting to disrupt the line of succession. |
QWERTYFish25Mar 19, 2016 5:46 PM
| Not even a kaiju battle can save this. One more left. |
| Intense episode, glad Oshutoru is still alive but I noticed some sparkling thingies coming off of him when his sister was healing him. |
| Well i love seeing them leave Yamato. I just cant stand the country with so many corrupt people. Yeah the story is so much better with all this seriousness haha.... The story won't finished with just 1 episode... I see, it seems season 3 is just matter of time. |
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| dayum that was an intense fight between Kyogre and Groudon Pretty good episode, now all that's left is the finale... |
Tokoya said: adapatations are not supposed to be carbon copies of source materials and until the anime community in general can accept that and judge an anime based on what it presents and how they handle every episode, these threads will continue to be filled with hate posts by purists |
das_nooblet said: Inugirlz said: And what would the purpose me of "devour my soul, give me more power!" Um...if you're soul is devoured how you gonna rule properly after? He's probably thinking of the princess with Haku to advise her, or even Haku as ruler himself. He generally gives off the impression of having a LOT of faith/trust in him. No Vurai said it...Oshutoru might have as well but I was referring to when Vurai did. Mich666 said: There were many problems with this episode: - Deus Ex Machina again. Those chains to seal them up came very conveniently, precisely in the moment it was needed. -They defeated 'main villain' yet they are running away from their people? Why did they fought then in the first place? Why no to push their claim right now when they would have a chance to actually change something? They could easily use the twins and threat other generals into obedience. But no, they obviously have to fully regroup with everyone else so the story (and fanservice) can move on. While I agree this episode (and anime) has many flaws (and can't compare to the first anime) I don't agree with the Deux Ex Machina comment. Those girls were obviously given to him for SOME reason. If they didn't have something special like that then seriously wtf were they there for. Plus their title pretty much implied they had some kind of sealing/chaining ability so it's not random. That and if you watched the first anime you'd know that there is a method to seal those powers. Uritori's people in particular have those skills (the winged people). Also your jumping ahead of yourself by saying Vurai is the "main villain." They still have to run because it's not clear he was the one who tried to murder Anju. In fact he wasn't the one. There's still a traitor. Plus we have Raikou over here convincing the generals to kill the survivour of the duel (but they don't know that so they can't use it as an excuse). But I agree I'm not feeling this leaving to go regroup shit (and further the fanservice) |
InugirlzMar 19, 2016 8:20 PM
| Oshitrou OMG T____T |
| RIP Oshuteru. I hope next episode is a feelfest. He who carries on his will...goddamn it Oshuteru. |
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| Oshutoru is my favorite character and it's sad to see him go. :( Well, Haku can take his place and he can do a good job. Is it wrong that I'm shipping Haku/Nekone? I know Nekone is too young for him but I'm hoping something might happen when she is older. I highly doubt it, though. Haku/Kuon is a bit too predictable for my taste. |
Inugirlz said: No Vurai said it...Oshutoru might have as well but I was referring to when Vurai did. Their goal was to defeat each other and prove their points that way. At that point it was solely about defeating each other. As Raikou puts it, they are literally madmen. Mich666 said: The fight itself was cool, yes, but when we disregard all the animation we get almost nothing again. WUT? Vurai taken out, half the town destroyed, Oshutoru VERY wounded, Nekone and Haku's friendship, etc. I expected some developement for MC or at least something... but obviously we didn't get it. What we got was tons of needless empty phrases to make this episode longer and to prepare the ground for the sequel. We already got shitload of development for the MC. - Haku proving he's just observer again. He wanted to help Oshutoru yet he wasn't able to come with any plan on his own and twins have to come in. What should he have done Code-Geassasspulled a solution? - When he finally tried to act and convince Nekone they should run he was talked into obedience and stayed instead. What kind of henpecked man he is? Because he agrees with her and it shows the bond between them and his trust in Oshutoru? - Deus Ex Machina again. Those chains to seal them up came very conveniently, precisely in the moment it was needed. Again as explained by both me and thousands of other users here, not deus ex machina. - Haku got another plot armor when Vurai tried to burn him. Yes, he tried to protect Nekone on his own but that was pretty foolish descision. Again most of vurais powers were sealed by Kamunagi by that point. Vurai and Oshutoru literally had to chant a separate pact to even have their last attacks against each other. - They defeated 'main villain' yet they are running away from their people? Why did they fought then in the first place? Why no to push their claim right now when they would have a chance to actually change something? They could easily use the twins and threat other generals into obedience. But no, they obviously have to fully regroup with everyone else so the story (and fanservice) can move on. Why are you thinking there is a "main villain"? What CLAIM? THey are separated over the country and Vurai clearly was not the one scheming - EVERYONE is scheming. I think it's safe to say now that Itsuwari no Kamen managed to do very poor job in telling its own story, unlike first Utawarerumono that has real beginning and the end (so much for this being a trilogy). Nice argumentation. Story of Haku really fails to deliver as throughout the series he didn't go through any character developement at all. Again, this very episode disproves that he had no development. Itsuwari was all about developing him. And for background on Empire of Yamato and its people, one 90min long feature film would certainly be more than enough (yes, they could certainly do it with only four regular anime episodes). Tuskuru got wole series, why should Yamato get less? ALso it would be rushed more than ubw movie. HatsumiShinogu said: Is it wrong that I'm shipping Haku/Nekone? I know Nekone is too young for him but I'm hoping something might happen when she is older. I highly doubt it, though. Haku/Kuon is a bit too predictable for my taste. Well they do have some quite great scenes together in these last few eps. Which is hilarious since at the start they could barely stand being in same room. |
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