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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- I felt so sorry for Jury in this episode. |
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| My favorite episode and my favorite character. I used to think Shiori was evil but I didn't see that during this re-watch. |
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| Ohoh? Miki seemed to get extreeeemely embarrassed at Nanami's question |
| 頭脳は子供、見た目は大人！ ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ |
Pheefa said: Ohoh? Miki seemed to get extreeeemely embarrassed at Nanami's question Well it definitely looked like his sister was trying to make out with him in that episode. I really like Jury as a character, so all the episodes focusing her are just awesome. |
| I personally don't like Jury and her story, so, this episode for me was boring. |
| Fantastic episode. Sure, the battles may be getting a bit repetitive but the storytelling, as always, is magnificent. That scene with Shiori in the elevator was powerful as was the rest of the episode. One interesting thing for me is that Utena seems to be going to Akio as a sort of confidant and, as we know, he seems to be far from trust worthy. I think this will be interesting in the future. Also, what does the pulling the sword out of a body symbolize. We've seen it throughout the series with Utena and a few others pulling it out of Anthy, as well as people currently stealing abilities from those close to them. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| I was wishing that Shiori would put up more of a fight (seeing as how Jury dominated Utena and she had her sword), but it wasn't even close. Anyway, why was Utena talking to Akio? Also, I wish Miki answered the question about the damn stopwatch. |
| Hmm I didn't exactly like Shiori. Seeing Jury in this episode was interesting. |
| Finally, the stopwatch thing was brought up but Miki doesn't answer! Lameeee XD. /really wanted to know. So seeing as how every Black Rose duelist gains some of the ability of the person whose sword they pulled out, doesn't that mean that Anthy must have some potential? :o However, the Prince is always descending to help Utena, she never wins her own battles anymore. |
| Why is there a morgue in the school? |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| Nice to see some more development for Juri since I thought her story was pretty interesting when they introduced it in the first part of the series. Confucius said: Why is there a morgue in the school? A morgue seems pretty reasonable when you compare it to a giant dueling arena with a floating castle inside. Plus, they mentioned something about 100 people being buried alive in that building; and body storage facilities are a must have when that happens. |
insan3soldiern said: Also, what does the pulling the sword out of a body symbolize. We've seen it throughout the series with Utena and a few others pulling it out of Anthy, as well as people currently stealing abilities from those close to them. Maybe it shows that the person they pulled the sword out of is their source of power, or their reason for fighting? I really wish Miki had answered that question about the stopwatch. :( |
| Like Jury more as a character now, but still the same formula used for the first two episodes excluding the random filler before this. |
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| This episode made me like Juri a bit more; Understanding her venerability lets you see her stone cold mask can be deceptive. |
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| One of the better episodes. Juri is a great character and the scene with the Shadow Girls was a great allegory. |
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| Without a doubt Juri is my favorite character in this series. This episode only helped prove that when I had thought it in prior episodes detailing her backstory. |
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| I love the Juri backstory, but I'm also a sucker for anything yuri. Juri I feel you girl! Shiori is pretty cute but she's all kind of a beezy for wanting to make her friend suffer because she was jealous of her. |
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| Hm... I think I like Jury more after this episode. I felt bad for her when they discussed the backstory...I mean a best friend doing that must of felt terrible. |
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| god damnit Miki.....just answer the question about the watch |
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| So much drama! 4/5 |
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| I don't like Shiori one bit, hopefully she won't be appearing much. I'm kinda notice that the scene with Utena entering the dueling arena last longer than most if not all the fights in the series xD |
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| The repetitiveness is getting excessive at this point. |
 It's an entirely different kind of flying, altogether! It's an entirely different kind of flying. |
| I loved this Episode. In the beginning when juri senpai was introduced, she instantly got my attention. I knew she would be an interesting character and now after watching this episode it's quite clear that she's a great character. I hope there'll be more episodes like this to come. |
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| Best episode of the Black Rose Crest arc thus far, mostly because it tapped back into developments focusing on the core cast rather than a side character I barely care about: This episode was more about Jury than anything. The situation is pretty sad and horrible all around. Since it seems swords can be pulled out of more people than Anthy, that makes Anthy kind of special in a different sense, doesn't it? The sword within her is stronger than the swords within others. |
| Yes! Another Juri episode is exactly what I wanted. Too bad though this is starting to feel like a bad guy of the week kinda show. I hope the formula changes up soon or it's going to start getting dull. |
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| Unlike Miki's sister in the last "seminar", Juri's old friend was completely unsympathetic before she got possessed by the Black Rose. It seems that she became a better person after she lost. I don't know why they're bothering at this point...Utena can kick anyone's ass. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| That girl has some serious issues o.o Even if Jury it's not so great herself, i hope she can forget her asap. |
 SEIZON SENRYAKU: Hungry 100% of the time.Vzla-IT |
| Yuri is a great character, one of my favorites from this show, glad to see some love for her :3 So next episode is about Tsuwabuki, I'm guessing it's filler then. Maybe not and he's the dark rose counterpart for Nanami, but I doubt it because 1. That should be Touga, and 2. I had thought he was a filler-only character (introduced in a filler episode and has only appeared in filler). Yeah, I think it's filler, besides, the Dark Rose arc would be too short if it were that way. |
| Around the gif~ "It's a big mistake to think you're the only one who can turn into a car" - Shiori Takatsuki |
| Pretty good ep, Jury's awesome, and Kotono Mitsuishi in her role is FANTASTIC! Hard to believe she's also the voice of Usagi from Sailor Moon, they're so different. |
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| Nice episode, I love Juri's development. I hope she'll become strong someday! Also, I wonder why do the previews spoil so much? I skip all of them and watch them only after finishing the episode in the preview (i.e. I watch episode 16 preview after the episode itself) just to see how much does it give off (everything) |
| My one main problem with old shows like this is the pacing. Its just so long. Unnecessary at that. All the repetitions. Fight comes, Utena wins, done. 3 times longer than the fight lasts the stair climb. Nothing new about Juri was revealed, this was all already shown in her last episode. And 20 more episodes to go. PS: Totally read next episodes title wrong. Hehe. |
| "This emotion is mine alone. It is for Madoka alone." - Homura or how I would descripe Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica. |
| So we finally get Juri's flashback. So the she really did care more with Shiori than that other guy. So Utena is just fighting anyone even not related to her :O This is probably one of the fights where it lasted even longer than the Juri fight. |
| This episode really reminded me why this show has the psychological tag, idk how sane most of the characters are but Shiori's pretty nuts. I hope Juri doesn't end up with her and can find someone better tbh, but I'm not sure how likely that is. Regardless, it's nice to see a continuation of one of my favorite earlier episodes. It was also kinda cool seeing Anthy at the end recognize the situation better than Utena, since that shows that while Utena deals directly with her opponents more, Anthy understands them better (to an extent at least, that's just my interpretation, but there could be more too it; I'm sure there's a breakdown somewhere with explanations for after I finish the series). An alternate to that is that maybe Anthy understands Shiori specifically better since she can relate to her, which would then raise some questions about her true feelings towards Utena, probably, or possibly her brother. It could be something completely different tho so who knows. |
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| here are some Utena crackpot theories for this episode. -The shadow play is a bit of a stretch but it kind of makes sense.The skit is about a person who is lamenting because of how she secretly wears three layers of wool underwear and is sad because she may never get married. She is confronted by an angel who convinces her that her secret is nothing to be ashamed of and the devil points out how no one wears three layers of wool underwear.This represents how Shiori is using her defensive side to convince herself that she hates Juri but in reality she secretly wants to be closer to her. Wool underwear can hold liquids so that symbolizes how Jury makes Shiori turned on(even if it is or isnt sexual). Yet she puts up barriers(the woolen underwear) to convince herself that she hates Jury.Also the angel’s hairstyle looks similar to Jury so it represents how Jury keeps motivating Shiori to be true to herself, but her devil is preventing her from doing as such,and even Utena tells her to take the underwear off. -Even if the bird, which is a Java sparrow, probably does not have a specific meaning behind it, it may just be more of a catalyst for the breaking point between Jury and Shiori,since it crashed into the window.Since birds cant see glass, that may represent the blind knowledge and unexpected revelation that Jury does not give Shiori the cold shoulder because of the relationship trouble in the past with another boy. Shiori has be thinking for a while that's why Jury didnt interact with her. |
"Get your tentacles off me or ill make calamari out of your manhood" -Mirai Nikki Dub |
| I like the overall structure and creative ideas , all these obvious and hidden behind everything morals , but can we get a little progression to the main story?It's kinda repetitive.Not boring , but just seeing all these people getting ''one-shotted'' by Utena again and again... New characters are still not explained at all , expect for the fact 2 of them are shounen ai fans and the other one loves some incest before sleep. |
| I hate everyone equally |
| Honestly wish I could care more about these student council characters. I don't feel anything towards both Juri and Shiori as characters but guess it was interesting to know more about their inner thoughts and fears. The sudden revelation of Shiori always hating Juri was kinda lame tho. So Souji tried to use hatred as way to defeat Utena this time, huh? |
| music went crazy this episode, fight felt way too short though. I feel like the last actual entertaining fight was the one against Touga. All these feel like we're watching Utena attempt the world's fastest kick each episode. |
| I hope Juri can find her strength again and experiences a miracle. the scene with Shiori in the elevator was powerful, can't believe she had no regrets taking away Juri's love, even though Juri never did anything to her, they were great friends back then. great episode though, interesting stuff so far |
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