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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- So, what do you all think of the series? I thought that it was basically an awesomely epic tale in a high fantasy setting, complete with an extremely impressive soundtrack. Possibly better than LotR. |
KinetaNov 25, 2012 10:17 AM
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| It was as if I watched a RPG unfold! But I started losing interest midway through, I took more than a month to finish a 13 episode series... The ending was ok, but it was worth it for the Ancient Dragons and Deed. |
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| Show is definitely a classic. And I like the ending with Deed and Parn. I did a rewatch of this show some years later. I saw more faults than I did the first time around, but it still is an extremely important OVA. The art and character designs are superb (although they do cut corners with the animation). The soundtrack is splendid and the voice actors are all heavyweights. The story could flow better though. They seemed to have rushed the adaption here and there. |
FarabeufJan 23, 2015 1:51 PM
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Yes! I love happy endings! Wondering what happened to the other 2 ancient dragons that just awakened... JTurner said: I dunno if I'd say better than LotR, but this IS definitely Anime's equivalent of it. I agree with you there but since I'm a LOTR fan first I'm speaking from my own bias. XP |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
| Messy plot, character development was rushed, but I felt like the show had a lot to offer 7/10 |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
| Too many characters to keep track of, or maybe I'm just an idiot. 4/10. |
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| The main problem I felt was that the show was telling: "Hey, look, we are doing such a cool high-fantasy story, dungeons and dragons included!" instead of "Hey, look, we have such an interesting story to tell!". Incoherent plot, boring characters. Not bad, but bordering on mediocre, despite certainly having some identity. |
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| The plot and the characters weren't too interesting, it had nothing new to offer to the genre. The animation, the music and the fantasy setting were what kept me watching. |
| That's one of the rare true heroic fantasy out there. |
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Ero-Camel said: So young, so naïve. Lodoss IS the genre. There was no heroic fantasy titles of this quality before it was made. Even now, 20 years later, it is still doing better than most.The plot and the characters weren't too interesting, it had nothing new to offer to the genre. But it lacks flashy colors, moe stuff and fanservice angles right? Bouuhhuuu! |
| My list - "Let's share our lame sides" (Danshi Koukousei no Nichijou) |
Sh0wdown said: Ero-Camel said: So young, so naïve. Lodoss IS the genre. There was no heroic fantasy titles of this quality before it was made. Even now, 20 years later, it is still doing better than most.The plot and the characters weren't too interesting, it had nothing new to offer to the genre. But it lacks flashy colors, moe stuff and fanservice angles right? Bouuhhuuu! You think I'm some shallow 13 year old with ADHD? lol Why did you leave out the part where I said the animation was amazing and then insult me saying I didn't like it because it lacked flashy colors? Also, Lodoss isn't the genre, ever heard of NOVELS? or FILMS? Lord of the Rings? King Arthur? Willow? The Princess Bride? Dungeon & Dragons? Dragonlance? Forgotten Realms? Fantasy was booming in all media forms in the 80s. |
| I was pleasantly surprised by this series. I did lose interest towards the end but i have to applaud the writes for avoiding a lot of the cliches that plague the genre. The animation was also pretty impressive at times. |
| 5/10 for me, meh. I can understand nostalgia, the art, the potential and the high fantasy setting giving it such a high score on MAL (well, not really), but the character development (none), the animation (sliding stillframe of enemies, seriously what fucking animation did you guys in this thread watch? Was it the same series?!), the story (lol, what story, it's just random shit happening) all made this very hard to sit through. Oh and btw... Parn! Parn! Parn? Parn... Parn! Parn, etc. |
| Amazing series. It's a bit sad that these youngsters on here have a hard time with classic anime. Ah, how times have changed. 9/10 |
| Very Enjoyable series for any True (High) Fantasy Fan. Sure it has it's issues, but for one of the originals over 2 decades ago I think it does a solid job. That being said it's greatest strength is the abundance of Elite Legendary Voice Actors. It pays to be familiar with the staples from the 80's/90's like Logh/DBZ/Hokuto No Ken etc to really appreciate the show and its Voice Actors, since nearly all of them have played some of the most iconic characters ever. In this episode I particularly liked where Wagnard (Kami/King Picollo from DB) proclaimed to Parn that "Kore Ga Saigoda" (This is the End), and Ashram (Kenshiro from HnK) pops up behind him out of nowhere proclaiming a Badass Kenshiro-esque "Omae No Na" (For You), followed by Slicing Wagnard in Twain, and (seemingly) defeating him. Due to it's cramped and rushed 13 episode nature I feel like many things didn't get proper treatment and werent fleshed out enough. Even the conclusion has seemingly little closure. I will give the alternative series a try even though I have low expectations due to the poor rating and most disappointingly the change in Voice Actors.. Still on the off chance that it expands things properly it might be worth it. I had a lot of fun with Lodoss-tou Senki, and will happily give it a 9/10. Sure it's no Lord of the Rings by any stretch of the imagination, but it has it's epic moments and even the corniness is enjoyable. |
| Parn and Deed rides off into the sunset...well more like into the clouds. All is well. This episode's ED fits so well and it's beautiful too. 7/10. |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| Great series and even though it makes,intentionally,use of every possible "rpg/DD" trope,it's still ,from what I've seen, pretty unique for the anime medium.Western Fantasy done right and really enjoyable. |
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| I felt kind of bad for Ashram. He did 99% of the fighting and then died. Parn barely did anything and gets all the glory. |
| It's just a DnD campaign on crack. The art is gorgeous but the plot moves haphazardly and there is no character development to speak of. It is far too rushed. I think I'll stick with the novels. 6/10. |
sauveterreApr 14, 2016 1:32 AM
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| Amazing ending, Parn and Deed going together is heartwarming ! This show has a lot of problem but i don't care, i love it, 10/10 |
| Dammit, for a moment I thought Parn and Ashram could become bros. But then Ashram decided to Parn after they got rid of Wagnard. And didn't he try to interrupt the ritual to summon the goddess earlier, so why did he fight? I loved the artstyle, designs and setting, but not very convinced about the rest. I didn't really care much for the characters. They probably should've gone for a smaller group and put more focus on Parn and Deedlit, and also make Parn less annoying in the first half. The story felt rushed and didn't make much sense in places, but it involved dragons, evil wizards and gods, so I can't complain there. Quality of the animation was incredibly inconsistent throughout the entire series. Gorgeous in some places, and atrociously bad in other scenes. Mixed feelings about this, but overall, it managed to do okay (not bad, not great either). It got pretty much carried by its theme and fantastic art. 6/10 |
MilenninAug 5, 2016 11:46 AM
| Very very solid characters and amazing pacing for the most part. Every single episode was filled to the brim with important content without wasting any time at all to tell us a tightly constructed incredible fantasy story. Sadly this finale was the worst episode in the series by miles as there was so much rule of cool going on. Even with a weak final two episodes this series was a real treat. Solid 6/10 would recommend. |
irrols said: tone down the elitism big guy. this was chalk full of fanservice anglesEro-Camel said: So young, so naïve. Lodoss IS the genre. There was no heroic fantasy titles of this quality before it was made. Even now, 20 years later, it is still doing better than most.The plot and the characters weren't too interesting, it had nothing new to offer to the genre. But it lacks flashy colors, moe stuff and fanservice angles right? Bouuhhuuu! id say the biggest thing it lacked was, idk, intelligence?  |
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| So there were a lot of cool things that I liked such as battles and dragons and all that cool stuff, but overall I wasn't very fond of the execution and storyline...I just found myself getting bored and uninterested in the episodes, and I found it to be pretty confusing at times :/ the second half was much better than the first but still I don't think I'd give it anything higher than a 6 |
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| Thank god it's over, now I never have to hear Porn say "Deedo" again. karsius said: The only real saving grace is the amazing art design and good intro music. Past that the show is extremely forgettable. Agreed, the art was pretty great but good god were the characters taken right out of the most generic Western-style RPG you could think of. |
| @dailankifki I think coming in this series not knowing what actually happened during the "first era of heroes" and only getting to know the very blurry baseline of their "campaign" works rather well to make those figures... well, figures to revere/fear/doubt more than human characters. Moreover, as this series and the original novels/play synopsis were based on the SNE (SNK? sorry, I forgot) group's sessions, this old tale is simply part of the background and used to elevate the sense of importance / history of everything going on. As for Karla in particular, this person was never a "friend", more like a forced companion: she only implicates herself (not sure if I should use the feminine gender) to keep things "balanced" to her taste, it is what she's doing playing with Beld and Fawn now and what she was doing, supporting the previous heroes group against the Demon King that was threatening to take the whole island. A very elegantly drawn and short manga by the 12 Kingdoms illustrator (Akihiro Yamada, I think) adapts the novels-only series written to tell this story. As expected, it's pretty short and extremely simple, but the magnificent drawings and Beld's charm are enough to appreciate it.  The novels, as basic fantasy fare as they are, are interesting enough (too bad the french edition got the hammer at the middle point and the stupid english one will never go beyond the first adventure...). For your info, this deluxe OAV series (despite its apparent lack of animation, courtesy of the great Nobuteru Yuki's impossible to animate designs) cuts away many small events that make the short stories actually feel like each an adventure on their own (and small talk/depicitions dispensing to us how Lodoss lives). Despite being simples, those stories and their little details end up adding to a nice saga with a logical conclusion. The OAVs, having to create their own ending (the novels weren't far enough, the original play sessions were using too much copyrighted material and probably too long), offered great sequences indeed. But if you want to see how things actually developed, the (very poorly animated) TV series (boasting lackluster designs) might interest you. It will show you a closer version of the dragon scenario than the OAVs and follow with the generational transition into the second half of the campaign (and final victory of good vs evil). June 21, 2020 @dailankifki I love the golden era of OAVs, I'm french and France has a certain history with those Lodoss OAVs (they're the first OAV VHS edited if I remember well, by Kaze/nowadays VIZ). Have a good time with those two comic books, they're a great pleasure for the eyes. About Nobuteru Yuki, despite the criticism for the Gunnm OAVs, they make for a good intro to the comics and a decent standalone story. Plus, they feature again Yuki's inability to simplify the original look in his charadesigns (the complexity gap with Kishiro isn't as jarring as with Izubuchi but exists nonetheless). As a late 90s/early 2000s lover, I can only advise you to check Tenkû no Escaflowne (along the independant film exploiting the same concept and looking even more like Yuki's style) and Heat Guy J. Maybe the Terra E series too (but he's adapting a manga there). X (film) is splendid (CLAMP X Nobuteru Yuki) but nothing else. Orange has little to do with his own style and suffers from bad drawings. February 25, 2021 @St0rmblade You were expecting wrong things from those OAVs. And it strongly sounds like you are now expecting wrong things from the "franchise". I doubt Wort and Karla were about the same level. Wort was as good as you can get in a lifetime. Karla was "beyond" that, having notable access to forgotten knowledge (along her relics) from the Fallen Civilization. (I shouldn't have read you, Anno and Tomino were enough already ! XD) |
Rei_IIIFeb 24, 2021 3:22 PM
| Did they use actual fire for the golden dragon?! Would've been nice to see Ashram take the side of Parn, seeing his devotion to the elf he likes...similar situation, after all. Honestly I didn't expect Slayn and Etoh to survive, "fading away" in white light is usually a way to indicate death. Well, good for them. And another new sword for Parn (Kashue's own?). In this episode I particularly liked where Wagnard (Kami/King Picollo from DB) proclaimed to Parn that "Kore Ga Saigoda" (This is the End), and Ashram (Kenshiro from HnK) pops up behind him out of nowhere proclaiming a Badass Kenshiro-esque "Omae No Na" (For You), followed by Slicing Wagnard in Twain, and (seemingly) defeating him. Truly one of the best moments of the episode. But it lacks flashy colors, moe stuff and fanservice angles right? Bouuhhuuu! This episode had an (uncolored) elf nipple. So, Wort also ended up being a mere observer. The guy could've at least tried to care about the island he was living on. He seemed to be somewhat on Karla's level in terms of magic. Anyway, now I understand why Anno and Tomino weren't the biggest fans of the show, and I basically share their impressions - the drawings look great, but the (predictable) outcome (in general and in smaller acts) makes it less enjoyable than it could've been (though there's still charm in some cliches). Or maybe I was just expecting wrong things from this OVA and it's just a basic toolkit to dissect other entries in the franchise. Will look into them. Rei_III said: @St0rmblade You were expecting wrong things from those OAVs. And it strongly sounds like you are now expecting wrong things from the "franchise". (I shouldn't have read you, Anno and Tomino were enough already ! XD) Too bad for me, I guess (I am/was expecting "a decent medieval fantasy", what else). Though I'm still trying to understand the reason behind my own score (was hesitating between a 6 and a 7). It's not like I provided enough explanations besides very general points. Actually, I rarely "understand" or agree with the opinions of industry people on anime/manga/related stuff, but sometimes they resonate. |
St0rmbladeFeb 24, 2021 3:54 PM
| It's weirdly refreshing watching this classic anime in 2021, i have probably been a fan of Lodoss character designs for around 20 years from watching the manga and some posters at stores, but finally i decided to get the excellent remaster of the OVAs on Bluray and its glorious, at least on the looks. As i mention i think it's refreshing watching this now in how simple and a classic high fantasy story this is, clearly based on D&D like its origins, i enjoyed the variety of character classes and races, light vs darkness without much pretence and a happy ending without making you draw your own conclusions. Overall i think its a really solid series, deserving of the classic status it has, even without a deeper plot, or even more fluid animation with a lot of static (even if gorgeous) drawings with a lot of recycled shots, and a beautiful soundtrack even if a few more tracks could be there. 8/10 and onto Chronicles of the Heroic Knight! |
| This was an interesting series. I really liked the world building and fights. |
| just like other old school anime the still frames are beautiful and lots of beautiful characters in this too the only major complain i have with this is that the battles are not as hype as modern shows, the fighting scenes are too conservative for its time this kind of production quality is great already though but Parn is incompetent even in the end lol he lacks skills or talent but he is very lucky although Luck is the Greatest Power as Stan Lee said anyway light and darkness are one ye the duality of nature Yin and Yang eh so become the Grey Jedi Parn heck the Grey Witch Karla is already ahead of you the romance are strong too Parn x Deedlit Ashram x Pirotess Etoh x Fianna Slayn x Leylia Orson x Shiris |
| That final scene as they watch Parn and Deedlit ride off into the sunset... "Hey guys, does anyone know what happened to Woodchuck? I feel like we haven't seen him in a while." "Who?" "Woodch-.....oh well, nevermind" |
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| Mycen managed to kill Narse, which is easily the most impressive feat from a protagonistic character in the anime. Parn jobbed as usual, but Wagnard saved him by killing Ashram himself, which is hilarious when you consider Parn protected Ashram from Wagnard for some inexplicable reason just before this. Deedlit is seemingly rescued, but was her lifespan impacted any? Surely the sacrificial ceremony was only moments away from draining her of her lifeforce entirely. Parn is also knighted, which is fine, since he used the two swords to end the ceremony. But why are the other heroes seemingly not rewarded? The only reason Parn managed to stop the sacrifice was because, aside from the antagonists killing each other, the rest of the heroes decided to hold off the monsters. I'm divided on how I feel about this anime. The characters (aside from Deedlit and Ghim) were limited in depth for the most part, and the story played out exactly how you'd expect a stereotypical fantasy campaign to. The animation was terrible, and this becomes apparent to the viewer when a combat scene occurs, or when a dragon appears. The arc that revolved around Ghim and a corrupted Leylia had a more emotionally gripping narrative than the later episodes, which wasted too much time focusing on less interesting villains and even more new characters, further depriving the main characters of valuable screentime that could've been used to flesh them out. Fortunately, that meant "only" about 5 of the 13 episodes were particularly weak, but it still isn't exactly appreciated. The dragon were majestic, imposing, and everything I want dragons in anime to be. They were never vanquished easily, and always dominated any scenes they occupied with the sheer importance of their presence. Aside from their lack of proper animation half the time, the dragons were the highlight of this watch. Also, while the story does indeed follow a conventional fantasy formula, that doesn't neccessarily make it bad either. You could say that the occasional and unpretentious subversion of expectations — such as having the antagonists kill each other — was made all the more impactful by the otherwise boilerplate story. Any scene with Deedlit amused me as well, due in part to Deedlit being an expressive character with a charming design. If the rest of the characters had the same dynamism, then this might've been a more entertaining watch. |
Archean-ReturnJun 7, 5:24 PM
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| Honestly didn't care for the anime, people are saying this is a masterpiece and I don't believe it. Pure nostalgia is taking over their judgements. The story is all over the place we had 13 episodes and what like 4 villains they had to defeat. Only once did they ever mention the thief being gone and it kinda shows how much they care about that dude. Maybe they'd care more if the anime wasn't so limited in budget, time, and story structure. Seriously I can forgive a budget that isn't high but the constant flashing of lights every fourth of a second really started to piss my off by episode 4, it was especially bad in this final episode. Not to mention the characters aren't strong and neither is the story. I'm a sucker for classic fantasy I'd love to see more of it in the media but this series showed how boring it can be. Nothing but archetypes not characters. |
| Overall an enjoyable show im glad most characters lived and got a happy ending. This final episode was good i loved all the action and the animation throughout the entire series was good. Though the plot was messy and all over the place it was a nice watch through. overall 7/10  |
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