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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Damn, I just love the bittersweet moments in this show! Really great action this episode though, loved it. I also liked the transitions of this episode a bit although the desolate land looks a bit sad. Need more science! Great ending this episode. That mood and OST matches perfectly imo. What a tale. |
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| Discussion about the contradiction. Ishida-san's character starts claiming he's God and talks about before the world starts. After all this talk, he said she's another him and pierced her as well as that person in charge. He controlled her to destroy the world. With what the sister said, SuzuKen's character decided to save her, who shed tear with emotionless eyes. The light glows around the beads and put her back conscious.. I cannot wait for the end to the main story (following by recap). |
I ♥ Two Syaorans from Tsubasa RESERVoir CHRoNiCLE and TRC!!! |
| Oh no Yase |
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| Manga eiga? For real? Let's see what it would turns out to be... But since it's Kyousogiga, it might not be something bad. This anime is so beautiful. Loved every second of it!! Can't wait for the beginning of the world! (especially between Koto and Myoue hehehe) And I'm really sad that it didn't sell well in japan. :( |
| Kurama: "Desiring a future does not betray the past, Yakushimaru" Yase: "You always wished for your own death, but never once wished for the Mirror Capital's... I've always thought you'd be a fine Myoue" With those encouraging words ends the life of siblings that were only there for "comfort." But in the end, they meant more to Yakushimaru and to the viewers than sources of comfort. They both had life, emotions, and goals... only to have them taken away by a whimsical God, Inari. I can't help but hate Inari for that, and also because it seems like he's just selfishly giving up his responsibilities to MC Koto and Yakushimaru... But hate aside, Yakushimaru has the power to create and MC Koto has the power of the Buddha Goddess (since all of Bunny Koto's power transferred to MC Koto upon her birth). I just wish they gave the other siblings more of a role than just have them be sources of "comfort." Hopefully Yakushimaru brings them back in his own new world. I still wonder how the sword made MC Koto emotionless, but I guess I'll just have to go with the show at this point. After a staggering few episodes, I really loved this episode!! |
| OMG that yase part up to the end of this episode was epic Yase and "Love-rador" .. You guys rock |
ricardo241Dec 11, 2013 7:12 PM
| That stab to Koto was surprising. Aww that ending. |
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| Looks like Myoue was more of the main character than the main character herself. I thought Koto was awesome, but she was just another mindless girl getting saved by the guy just like Kuriyama and Akihito from Kyoukai no Kanata. Oh, and why is Inari so small? |
| so Yushikimaru or Myoue inherit the power of creation from the monk so no wonder his also immortal that makes sense now |
Takuan_Soho said: Inari is not the bad guy. Think of this show on an individual basis (Myoue). Inari is still trying to save Myoue. Though he "saved" him by replacing his heart, as the last episode showed, Myoue still rejected this second chance at life; Inari created a brother and sister for Myoue, but Myoue never accepted their love, and instead selfishly shut himself off from everyone. Still trying to save Myoue, Inari gave over his ability to create, hoping that Myoue would use it to reincarnate himself, but Myoue, still denying life refused to, creating the stasis of the Capital. This is why everyone was tired, the monk brother, Inari, they kept trying to save Myoue, but the simple fact is that unless someone wants to live nothing you can do can save them. Inari's last gambit was to use Koto to destroy the universe, what good is the world if people can't be saved (not only is this a buddhist thought, but it is also in the Kabblah and Christian gnosticism)? This is what Inari meant when he told Bunny Koto that he would explain later: Inari knows exactly what he is doing: everything was done to get Myoue to use the power to create a new universe, one where Myoue would want to live. So far from Inari being selfish, he is actually willing to sacrifice everything, including himself, to save Myoue. Oh wow, that makes so much sense... I was blinded by the fact the way he was talking about MC Koto as an "accident," attacking both MC Koto and Head Priest, and overall just bringing destruction. Although Inari hates mankind for their selfishness, he still wanted to believe in his son and went as far as give him the power of creation in order to, as you said, build a world that he'd want to live in. I can't wait for the finale now :) |
Takuan_Soho said: pakoko said: only to have them taken away by a whimsical God, Inari. I can't help but hate Inari for that, and also because it seems like he's just selfishly giving up his responsibilities to MC Koto and Yakushimaru... Inari is not the bad guy. Think of this show on an individual basis (Myoue). Inari is still trying to save Myoue. Though he "saved" him by replacing his heart, as the last episode showed, Myoue still rejected this second chance at life; Inari created a brother and sister for Myoue, but Myoue never accepted their love, and instead selfishly shut himself off from everyone. Still trying to save Myoue, Inari gave over his ability to create, hoping that Myoue would use it to reincarnate himself, but Myoue, still denying life refused to, creating the stasis of the Capital. This is why everyone was tired, the monk brother, Inari, they kept trying to save Myoue, but the simple fact is that unless someone wants to live nothing you can do can save them. Inari's last gambit was to use Koto to destroy the universe, what good is the world if people can't be saved (not only is this a buddhist thought, but it is also in the Kabblah and Christian gnosticism)? This is what Inari meant when he told Bunny Koto that he would explain later: Inari knows exactly what he is doing: everything was done to get Myoue to use the power to create a new universe, one where Myoue would want to live. So far from Inari being selfish, he is actually willing to sacrifice everything, including himself, to save Myoue. Kentaku said: Oh, and why is Inari so small? Most likely because he gave most of his power (the ability to create) to Myoue. Forgive me if this sounds stupid, (also thanks for the clarification ^^) then can we really assume this whole story was about Myoue? This whole time I was focused on Koto being the main character, but in reality this was just a misdirection, and the whole story revolved around Myoue and him accepting his second chance at life? |
Takuan_Soho said: pakoko said: only to have them taken away by a whimsical God, Inari. I can't help but hate Inari for that, and also because it seems like he's just selfishly giving up his responsibilities to MC Koto and Yakushimaru... Inari is not the bad guy. Think of this show on an individual basis (Myoue). Inari is still trying to save Myoue. Though he "saved" him by replacing his heart, as the last episode showed, Myoue still rejected this second chance at life; Inari created a brother and sister for Myoue, but Myoue never accepted their love, and instead selfishly shut himself off from everyone. Still trying to save Myoue, Inari gave over his ability to create, hoping that Myoue would use it to reincarnate himself, but Myoue, still denying life refused to, creating the stasis of the Capital. This is why everyone was tired, the monk brother, Inari, they kept trying to save Myoue, but the simple fact is that unless someone wants to live nothing you can do can save them. Inari's last gambit was to use Koto to destroy the universe, what good is the world if people can't be saved (not only is this a buddhist thought, but it is also in the Kabblah and Christian gnosticism)? This is what Inari meant when he told Bunny Koto that he would explain later: Inari knows exactly what he is doing: everything was done to get Myoue to use the power to create a new universe, one where Myoue would want to live. So far from Inari being selfish, he is actually willing to sacrifice everything, including himself, to save Myoue. Kentaku said: Oh, and why is Inari so small? Most likely because he gave most of his power (the ability to create) to Myoue. Thank you again for clarifying!! ...such a fantastic + thought provoking show. |
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Takuan_Soho said: Kentaku said: Oh, and why is Inari so small? Most likely because he gave most of his power (the ability to create) to Myoue. his reincarnated thats why his young here is proof - http://i.imgur.com/mZB8mbU.png |
| I think the insert song was put to better use than it was in the OVAs and I already liked it quite a bit there lol. The build up of Lewis Carroll's poem leading up to the climax of the song was incredible. "Life, what is it but a dream" ties in nicely with the buddhist concept of rebirth. The end is merely the beginning, which applies to Myoue's second chance at life and that goes for the inevitable re-creation of the Mirror Capital as well. Definitely looking forward to the finale and I also like how this episode embodies the OP lyrics so well: This here is all I have Even the rain is beautiful I feel like I've started To listen to everyone With a smile |
brianwuzhereDec 12, 2013 6:48 AM
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| Nice insight as always, Takuan_Soho :) I was wondering what to think of Inari since he's been a confusing character for me, and especially with what happened in this episode. I didn't want to immediately think that Inari is a bad guy because it feels this just isn't the type of series that is straightforward about things. Anyways, that explanation made a lot of sense. I also really liked "The Secret of My Life", it was well placed in the episode. So many emotions. Can't wait for the last episode, though it's a little sad to think that we're at the end of the show. |
| Wow, what a brilliant episode. Especially the last scene with myoue and the disappearing yase and dog and him turning koto back to normal. some moments were confusing as always but reading the theories here cleared lots of it. |
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| To Takuan_Soho, So some things that's been on my mind: 1) Why exactly did Bunny Koto have those dreams of Mirror Capital getting destroyed? I know that's not really the reason she had to leave. She had to leave mainly because she had to return the body to the Goddess (But in the end, she still hasn't?? I don't get that either). And Inari leaves with her because he loves her. However, there was implication that the power of creation was needed to keep Mirror Capital "stable" (from the talk between Kurama and Yakushimaru) so I'm assuming Inari gave Yakushimaru the power of creation to not only give him the power to make his own world, but to keep Mirror Capital "stable" while he's gone. But then I think I'm missing a piece of information about why the Mirror Capital started falling apart when MC Koto revealed a gateway to the capital to the rest of the parallel universes, even with Yakushimaru. Maybe I'm completely wrong, or forgetting something. 2) I get that Inari makes the ultimate sacrifice to save Yakushimaru. However, isn't it going a little too overboard to try and destroy all the universes just to get the point across that Yakushimaru has to actually do something? As a God, isn't that sort of irresponsible? Although I wouldn't disagree that Inari would do something like that casually, I still think sacrificing the whole universe just so that his son can live in a new one seems overly selfish and whimsical. I'm not trying to disagree, I'm just trying to see if the focus of the plan is not just on Yakushimaru but for something else. Like there's more to the plan than just Yakushimaru recreating the universe. 3) So Inari's sword acts as a key to other universes. How does that power lead to MC Koto becoming emotionless, and the Head Priest fainting/dying? Maybe it "closes" Koto's heart?? Many more but these are the three that came on my mind. |
| I don't know what's bigger disappointment, this or Galilei Donna. |
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| I absolutely loved the dialogue in this episode and the roles of all of the characters as the series heads towards its conclusion. Everything is coming together so well. I definitely did not think that this series would grow on me so much when I initially started watching it, but I'm going to miss it when it's over. |
| Fantastic episode, particularly the second half. Thankfully, the insert song was well used and it finally feels like this story is coming to a close. Inari is still quite the mysterious character. Though his actions this episode would speak otherwise, I still don't see him as the villain or the Bad Guy, I believe he just has his own way of doing things. Everything is now set up for the 'Grand Finale' and I have no doubt in my mind that Kyousougiga will deliver. |
| Oh men ;_: Very cute episode. |
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| 10:28 wut It was meh. 6/10 for this episode. |
| Isayama Hajime should be awarded The Manga with The Highest Inconsistencies of Characters' Appearances. He keeps performing multiple plastic surgeries on those Shingeki No Kyojin characters in a SINGLE chapter. Yes, I've read up to the latest chapter of Shingeki No Kyojin manga. Forced myself to read through the kidsketching chapters after the anime's ended. At least from now on, I only have to go through the hell once a month. Patiently awaiting SNK TV/movie/OVA anime-sequel. The 2015 SNK live-action movie would probably suck. |
| Love when they use english songs for the soundtrack. Good episode, but I wasn't emotionally attached to the characters |
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| Witnessing one of the most promising show this season becoming mediocre. |
| 日本人はイッちゃってるよ あいつら未来に生きてんな |
DawnJ said: Witnessing one of the most promising show this season becoming mediocre. Nowhere near as bad as what happened to Samurai Flamenco. |
| (English isn't my first language, so i apologize in advance for any mistakes) Whoa, what an amazing episode. I was always really digging insert songs in animes, and Kyousogiga made proof of that again. I would even go that far to call it one of my favorite animes, if they weren't a few things I just don't understand. If someone got the time to read this through and even type an answer you would REALLY help me out, just because I love this anime and really WANT to understand it completely! ;.; 1) a) I don't get the whole reincarnation thing. Let me recap a bit before my actual question comes: The way I understood, Inari and the Head Priest are children of the actual, christian (?) God. Inari was given the power of creation, mankind, however, was created by his father (Inari mentions humans would have "suddenly" appeared and everything went "crazy" after they did... doesn't sound like his creation at all but I might be wrong). People feared Inari and made him live all by himself in the mountains. I don't get how that made him a monk and why he changed his name but that's not too important to me. So then there's the Mirror Capital and one day he & Lady Koto return from it. What exactly happened then? Many years later when MC Koto lives, Inari is his younger self. I get that he's reincarnated, but that means he DIED, right? How? When? o_o b) I'm pretty sure on this but I want to make sure: Am I right when I say Inari and the siblings age extremely slow? Like, from the time Earth was created until the who-knows-what-century Episode 01 takes place in, Inari, being a God, only aged up to his thirties (from the way he looks). Between that somewhat ancient century and the futuristic time MC Koto lives in, reincarnated Inari (who started from baby again I guess?) aged up to his teen years. And those 14 years MC Koto has lived were too short a time for him to noticably change. Same for the siblings: In Episode 01 Yakushimaru wonders how long they would have to stay children. Then there's a time skip and they're all adults. In Episode 03, Kurama mentions to Koto that they watched this place for "very, very long time", so I guess thousand of years passed (in the "normal world": ancient century from Episode 01 - futuristic time from Episode 02). Am I right? :O 2) I still don't get MC Koto. Lady Koto mentions she saw her when she was a baby, and also that she inherited her powers at birth. So, is she her ACTUAL baby? Like, born from her body? And what about Inari: He calls her "his other self". But isn't she just his daughter? However, both contradicts what he says in this episode, about how she was born by "someone else", or something like that. Didn't get that part at all. God my head hurts from thinking about these things for so long x_x If someone would explain obvious things I have missed I'd be very grateful ;.; |
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| Amazing episode, well-directed and the insert-song "The Story of my Life" was utterly beautiful and really touching, it was the best choice in that moment. Btw, need Finale right now. DawnJ said: Witnessing one of the most promising show this season becoming mediocre. I think we have a different meaning of "mediocre". Takuan_Soho said: pakoko said: only to have them taken away by a whimsical God, Inari. I can't help but hate Inari for that, and also because it seems like he's just selfishly giving up his responsibilities to MC Koto and Yakushimaru... Inari is not the bad guy. Think of this show on an individual basis (Myoue). Inari is still trying to save Myoue. Though he "saved" him by replacing his heart, as the last episode showed, Myoue still rejected this second chance at life; Inari created a brother and sister for Myoue, but Myoue never accepted their love, and instead selfishly shut himself off from everyone. Still trying to save Myoue, Inari gave over his ability to create, hoping that Myoue would use it to reincarnate himself, but Myoue, still denying life refused to, creating the stasis of the Capital. This is why everyone was tired, the monk brother, Inari, they kept trying to save Myoue, but the simple fact is that unless someone wants to live nothing you can do can save them. Inari's last gambit was to use Koto to destroy the universe, what good is the world if people can't be saved (not only is this a buddhist thought, but it is also in the Kabblah and Christian gnosticism)? This is what Inari meant when he told Bunny Koto that he would explain later: Inari knows exactly what he is doing: everything was done to get Myoue to use the power to create a new universe, one where Myoue would want to live. So far from Inari being selfish, he is actually willing to sacrifice everything, including himself, to save Myoue. Thank you, this was quite helpful. |
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| i just don't know anymore |
| Not sure why Inari is an asshole all of a sudden, but okay. Even if he's doing it for the greater good, or whatever, he's doing it in a very devious way. Quite honestly, I enjoyed this series more when it was exploring each of the characters and their feelings and issues. It had this nice emotional resonance to it. I understand that they had to get back to the story, and that they had to deal with some type of conflict in the end, but there's just something missing now. |
Thalandor46 said: Does the insert song have a name? Has it been released yet? Which insert song do you mean? The last one during Myoue's running? |
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Thalandor46 said: Does the insert song have a name? Has it been released yet? This one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPPYHxlx9cA |
| So Inari brought the end... but Yakushimaru is the beginning. Very interesting. |
migohunterDec 17, 2013 12:56 AM
| Powerful eyebrows. |
Takuan_Soho said: pakoko said: only to have them taken away by a whimsical God, Inari. I can't help but hate Inari for that, and also because it seems like he's just selfishly giving up his responsibilities to MC Koto and Yakushimaru... Inari is not the bad guy. Think of this show on an individual basis (Myoue). Inari is still trying to save Myoue. Though he "saved" him by replacing his heart, as the last episode showed, Myoue still rejected this second chance at life; Inari created a brother and sister for Myoue, but Myoue never accepted their love, and instead selfishly shut himself off from everyone. Still trying to save Myoue, Inari gave over his ability to create, hoping that Myoue would use it to reincarnate himself, but Myoue, still denying life refused to, creating the stasis of the Capital. This is why everyone was tired, the monk brother, Inari, they kept trying to save Myoue, but the simple fact is that unless someone wants to live nothing you can do can save them. Inari's last gambit was to use Koto to destroy the universe, what good is the world if people can't be saved (not only is this a buddhist thought, but it is also in the Kabblah and Christian gnosticism)? This is what Inari meant when he told Bunny Koto that he would explain later: Inari knows exactly what he is doing: everything was done to get Myoue to use the power to create a new universe, one where Myoue would want to live. So far from Inari being selfish, he is actually willing to sacrifice everything, including himself, to save Myoue. Kentaku said: Oh, and why is Inari so small? Most likely because he gave most of his power (the ability to create) to Myoue. Love your insights Takuan, clears up things a little bit. :) |
| Powerful eyebrows. |
| Strange episode, the next episode preview looks fun though. |
| Kyousougiga is really amazing, it was sad to see characters fading away. |
| I just realized that the guy with the spirits at around 15:24 is Hachiman from episode 2, the boy that challenged Koto and got owned :P Kyousogiga with that attention to detail. |
| Wow. This episode sure was... something. Koto's and the father's speeches were touching... then BAM! chaos! destroy it all! Did not see things going quite that direction. |
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| http://puu.sh/5VOph ^ lol I seriously just watched them walk across the screen xD felt like such a loong time Thank you Takuan_Soho for helping me understand Inari's position. I also previously saw him as the "bad guy" =P but it's not so black and white. |
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| Damn nice, this sure was a great episode! I really wonder what the last episode has to offer but damn this already made it damn good! |
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