JustMonaka said: The same reason I don't like furry, or sports, or cyberpunk. It's just not my thing. The amount of people throwing "homophobia" around lightly also doesn't help. Just look at this thread for reference. Using terms incorrectly or out of context is some people's bread and butter. To use an image from Shinsekai Yori is a bit of an odd choice by the way. |
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| I have nothing against it, I just don't get enjoyment from yaoi. |
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| Never really saw any BL (except Promare, idk if that even counts) so I can't say much about it. But I don't necessarily hate it |
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| I also don't like harem genre and ecchi so mostly no-romance/sexual animes. I liked Yuri on Ice, tho. |
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Bloodglas said: RobertBobert said: If you want to watch a show about friendship and you don't like the shippers' persistent attempts to make it gay, then you're a homophobe. That is, either you accept their preferences and desires, or you are a bigot. or maybe they're just tired of how often people sexualize same-sex friendships. some people's fetishization gets rather extreme. if they're being so persistent about their shipping to the point of pushing it on or insulting other fans that aren't shipping with them, it's not homophobic to be annoyed by that persistence. some people just want to stick with what's canon. it's kind of sad when people feel the need to take any kind of platonic affection between two male characters in a non-BL show and see it as romantic or sexual love. it's not even just a thing done with boys (or anime, for that matter). I get that a lot of times writers are trying to bait people but you don't have to take it. platonic love exists. That is why at one time it was popular among fujoshi to pretend to be bisexual. |
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NextUniverse said: im also wonder why do u love bl ? Do u love male n male relationship ? Do u love sexual scene that involve a pair male ? Or mickey has something special that u really into on him more than friend like a couple ? lol I hear ppl have a big distaste for BL. I remember being at MAL Christmas event and ppl were putting BL as a genre to avoid, sometimes even on the forum, people don't show a big interest in it. As someone who doesn't care about what genres offer, but rather what every individual anime does in said genre. I see no reason to dislike BL. So, what are the reasons?  |
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| Because it doesn't have the kind of romance that I would like, I dislike the way they do things in BL. Why is one of them being a complete asshole who is overly jealous or obsessive to the point he doesn't allow the other to even have basic freedom? Why does one of them start as straight and why does it take rape and abuse for him to realize that he's gay for the other? When there is sexual assault or rape why doesn't the victim develop any trauma or fear for the perpetrator? Why is it that you have the next scene as if that never happened to begin with!? Why do the side characters tell the victim that he's the one who is wrong and his abuser loves him so much and encourage him to go back to him? Why is it always about sex, I don't like porn, straight or otherwise. I prefer watching the characters develop an emotional bond over a physical one. Why are female characters almost non-existent, evil or fujoshis that aggressively ship the boys? Why do almost all other characters around the MC just co-incidentally also happen to be gay? Why do BL authors portray the most toxic of relationships as cute and desirable? Why can't the boys just spend time together, enjoying each other's company, helping each other overcome difficulties and then realizing that they are in love? Saying that these things happen in straight romance as well is simply avoiding the the problem and the frequency of such tropes isn't as common in straight romance shows. That one show being good doesn't immediately make it a representative of the entire genre. If you are comparing to these things happening in ecchi or hentai then you are admitting yourself that BL is indeed porn which is more reason for me to not watch it. I liked the sort of relation Yuki and Luka have in Uraboku (although I'd prefer a less feminine Yuki), if more BL was like that then I most probably would have watched it. |
Maou_heikaJul 31, 2022 7:05 AM
Maou_heika said: Because it doesn't have the kind of romance that I would like, I dislike they way the do things in BL. Why is one of them being a complete asshole who is overly jealous or obsessive to the point he doesn't allow the other to even have basic freedom? Why does one of them start as straight and why does it take rape and abuse for him to realize that he's gay for the other? When there is sexual assault or rape why doesn't the victim develop any trauma or fear for the perpetrator? Why is it that you have the next scene as if that never happened to begin with!? Why do the side characters tell the victim that he's the one who is wrong and his abuser loves him so much and encourage him to go back to him? Why is it always about sex, I don't like porn, straight or otherwise. I prefer watching the characters develop an emotional bond over a physical one. Why are female characters almost non-existent, evil or fujoshis that aggressively ship the boys? Why do almost all other characters around the MC just co-incidentally also happen to be gay? Why do BL authors portray the most toxic of relationships as cute and desirable? Why can't the boys just spend time together, enjoying each other's company, helping each other overcome difficulties and then realizing that they are in love? Saying that these things happen in straight romance as well is simply avoiding the the problem and the frequency of such tropes isn't as common in straight romance shows. That one show being good doesn't immediately make it a representative of the entire genre. If you are comparing to these things happening in ecchi or hentai then you are admitting yourself that BL is indeed porn which is more reason for me to not watch it. I liked the sort of relation Yuki and Luka have in Uraboku (although I'd prefer a less feminine Yuki), if more BL was like that then I most probably would have watched it. You've just described half of the challenges of writing a genre in one post. Also, you forgot that if one of the characters is an otaku, then he must be a fan of gay stories. Also, a significant part of these problems are also relevant for yuri. |
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rohan121 said: What I find attractive is plump butts and most oppai. Dudes lack an attractive ass, curves where it matters, and a body structure that interests me. It is a sex preference thing. Beyond that, it is hard to relate to bishounen boys. this tbh, it ain't that deep, some people just aren't interested, udk what's wrong with that. i like some bl but i am not gonna go around questioning people around as to why they avoid it, it should be obvious. |
Blueberry173Jul 31, 2022 1:25 AM
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Maou_heika said: Because it doesn't have the kind of romance that I would like, I dislike they way the do things in BL. Why is one of them being a complete asshole who is overly jealous or obsessive to the point he doesn't allow the other to even have basic freedom? Why does one of them start as straight and why does it take rape and abuse for him to realize that he's gay for the other? When there is sexual assault or rape why doesn't the victim develop any trauma or fear for the perpetrator? Why is it that you have the next scene as if that never happened to begin with!? Why do the side characters tell the victim that he's the one who is wrong and his abuser loves him so much and encourage him to go back to him? Why is it always about sex, I don't like porn, straight or otherwise. I prefer watching the characters develop an emotional bond over a physical one. Why are female characters almost non-existent, evil or fujoshis that aggressively ship the boys? Why do almost all other characters around the MC just co-incidentally also happen to be gay? Why do BL authors portray the most toxic of relationships as cute and desirable? Why can't the boys just spend time together, enjoying each other's company, helping each other overcome difficulties and then realizing that they are in love? Saying that these things happen in straight romance as well is simply avoiding the the problem and the frequency of such tropes isn't as common in straight romance shows. That one show being good doesn't immediately make it a representative of the entire genre. If you are comparing to these things happening in ecchi or hentai then you are admitting yourself that BL is indeed porn which is more reason for me to not watch it. I liked the sort of relation Yuki and Luka have in Uraboku (although I'd prefer a less feminine Yuki), if more BL was like that then I most probably would have watched it. duuuude, you stole my words, very well said, the majority of the bl follow those tropes, its too annoying to actually find good ones that i gave up, even tho i love some bl series, that doesn't mean the genre itself is good, its filled eith awful rapey and non sensical shit. |
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_Maneki-Neko_ said: Some BL is just not really good and I mean there are legit reasons not to like it, but in some other cases it's just good old homophobia. What I never understand is "I'm not interested, because I'm a straight guy." Sometimes straight women do this with lesbian romances, but that's a bit more rare, but not unseen. Yeah well... they are two characters, who aren't you, and I'm watching and reading straight romance plots too. Because if it's good, it's good. Let's be real: some people are just insecure and need to affirm loudly how straight they are. Yes, it is true. Yoy can read and watch what you like without this harming your orientation at all. MichaelJackson said: Because I was raised in a family with values and we don´t consume soy. Sorry, how it is connected? It is only the hobby, that is all to it. |
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_Maneki-Neko_ said: Some BL is just not really good and I mean there are legit reasons not to like it, but in some other cases it's just good old homophobia. What I never understand is "I'm not interested, because I'm a straight guy." Sometimes straight women do this with lesbian romances, but that's a bit more rare, but not unseen. Yeah well... they are two characters, who aren't you, and I'm watching and reading straight romance plots too. Because if it's good, it's good. Let's be real: some people are just insecure and need to affirm loudly how straight they are. Do you enjoy labelling people, that you change the standard for homophobia to be this loose? |
| I enjoy BL, but I'm also fujo and bishie trash 💜 I like GL too, the orientation of romance doesn't matter to me. For folks who don't watch it, I think it's just about preference for most people. Are their homophobes in the mix, sure; but, I doubt they represent a majority, or even a significant portion, it wouldn't make sense. |
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| My reluctance to watch it probably has something to do with the fact that where I grew up if a guy showed any interest in something involving homosexuality, or rather anything not seemingly masculine, people were gonna let you know what they thought about it and I could never stand it. I got bullied in middle school just for reading the Warriors series by Erin Hunter because apparently they were considered books for girls, and my family poked fun at me while we watched The Lord of the Rings whenever Frodo and Sam would look at each other for more than a few seconds. Also, I enjoyed Adachi and Shimamura so there's really no reason I couldn't enjoy a similar series with guys I think. |
cyandaqilJul 31, 2022 2:02 AM
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| Straight romance is my lowest rated genre and the few pure BL I've seen were all super generic, like they didn't need to differentiate themselves further cause they were already covering a niche. But when I ended up watching and then reading a "BL in disguise" that wasn't generic, I loved it. |
| I'm not gay, and I've never met a gay person I liked. Not to say gay people are a monolith, but the ones around me generally carry themselves in a way that is combative and obnoxious, and it's put me off of media featuring them. Especially given the fact that these stories probably aren't even written by gay people as an authentic expression, but by middle aged perverse women. If given the choice, I think I'd prefer a gay romance to a lesbian romance, but that's only because I generally find female protagonists to be weaker and less compelling. |
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| The stain of red that colors the pavement Painted with blood of somebody you love Is this the sacrifice for the broken Losing the purest of what's in your heart |
| I ain't gay and that's literally all the reason I need. |
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| Idk how this is a question. People are attracted towards certain things and if love between boys doesn't fall into that category, there is no reason for them to dive into it. Sure it may be a bit wrong to advise against joining those communities, but as a personal preferance there is nothing against avoiding what doesn't appeal to you. |
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And you yourself act like a teenager blocking me. I respect your decision, simply I can't interact with people who shut themselves inside. |
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Couldn't help but read this with the sickest flow. Literally straight bars. |
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| Everyone has different taste. I don't care one bit for BL/GL. I just don't. |
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| BL attracts a certain audience who desire homoerotic stories, and there is a large amount of people who love homoerotic stories. However, there is a most likely a larger audience of people who find no joy in such stories. Not to say that the stories themselves can't be great, but when the genre is focused on the homoerotic relationships, you can't fault people who don't find interest in that form of entertainment when they say they don't want to watch it. Although, saying that you find homoerotic relationships to be unnatural and vomit-inducing isn't a valid reason to hate BL, it's just straight homophobia. The same applies for the Ecchi genre. If you don't like looking at women with massive boobs and butts, I'm not sure you'd find much interest when that's what you'll be seeing for 80% of said Ecchi manga or anime. |
HorseManPersonJul 31, 2022 7:35 AM
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| I'm a big fan of bromance: when two guys are really great friends or rivals. When they share similar goal in the field that interest them, yet their love life is separate: each have their own girlfriend or wife. Boy's love not so much - as such relationship doesn't naturally bring an offspring, it's kind of wrong to promote it in media. However, as you all know, has been a thing for a while - the media is doing the exact opposite these days, because someone decided that these topics should be more widespread. For what reason exactly? I don't know. Perhaps a hedge against overpopulation, who knows. At the end of the day everyone should be free to choose their love life, but it shouldn't be forced in media. And i don't feel like watching a show for that reason only. |
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ISeeLifePeople said: im also wonder why do u love bl ? Do u love male n male relationship ? Do u love sexual scene that involve a pair male ? Or mickey has something special that u really into on him more than friend like a couple ? lol it's not something I adore, but I see no issue with it. if it can be wholesome like normal romance, then what's the issue? could also go into some detail regular romance don't do (like ppl trying to fit in gay life with society), it seems like something that could bring across very interesting stories. |
| I mean, the BL genre is characterized by being about the hotness of guys falling in love. I'm sure there's plenty of great BL out there that would appeal to a wider audience, but people are willing to miss out on those experiences if it means they're not sitting through all the ones that don't appeal to them and are in much higher supply than the ones they would actually enjoy. It's also by definition gay and I think a lot of people probably avoid it to protect themselves against being made fun of for watching/reading it. |
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TinaTunaTina said: Lylaaz said: So should a straight couple be looked down upon because they cant have children because of a medical reason? I don't really understand the thought process of "it's because they cant have children." When straight people struggle with the same thing and there has been many tv shows around that topic as well. I'm a big fan of bromance: when two guys are really great friends or rivals. When they share similar goal in the field that interest them, yet their love life is separate: each have their own girlfriend or wife. Boy's love not so much - as such relationship doesn't naturally bring an offspring, it's kind of wrong to promote it in media. However, as you all know, has been a thing for a while - the media is doing the exact opposite these days, because someone decided that these topics should be more widespread. For what reason exactly? I don't know. Perhaps a hedge against overpopulation, who knows. At the end of the day everyone should be free to choose their love life, but it shouldn't be forced in media. And i don't feel like watching a show for that reason only. It's a valid argument and I understand that opinions can differ in that regard. As someone who separates those two: it's a matter of probability. It's more difficult for two men to have a natural offspring. And if promoted in media generates a generation of people who might enter such relationship generating even more people who have difficulties having children. I think that's the gist of it. |
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| I prefer cute things instead. Two girls making out together is just so much hotter than two dudes making out. BL is just pure disgusting. |
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| I am not really into romance, until it has some extra themes associated with it. BL puts the romance aspect to the front, and most of the time I see it lacking good or unique writing. Same goes for shoujo ai. I can honestly live without it. Unless it's a masterpiece (I am interested in "Bloom into You" for 4 years but cannot motivate myself to start it). "Not interested" is the apt description. I even put "Given" on hold because the first episode bored me. I think it's all ok for people to like these genres without bothering others and same goes for those not interested. Finally in general, I think there's a mild tinge of unforced misandry present in the male audience (mostly younger) who tend to project themselves into the male characters, tending to have stronger opinions of them than the female ones regarding relationships. When it's BL, they just can't relate to it. It doesn't help that male characters in BL are often written in a very un-relatable way. |
| "All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
Sotara said: And you yourself act like a teenager blocking me. I respect your decision, simply I can't interact with people who shut themselves inside. You didn't respect my decision to not talk about myself and were plainly rude, don't talk about respect if you don't even know what the word means. |
| The stain of red that colors the pavement Painted with blood of somebody you love Is this the sacrifice for the broken Losing the purest of what's in your heart |
Wusel-chan said: Sotara said: And you yourself act like a teenager blocking me. I respect your decision, simply I can't interact with people who shut themselves inside. You didn't respect my decision to not talk about myself and were plainly rude, don't talk about respect if you don't even know what the word means. No, you are wrong. I wasn't rude to you. I respect other people, know what that word means, thanks for concern. Again you blocked me here and in Discord, I can't reply to you there or here. What a strange decision indeed. |
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Sotara said: Wusel-chan said: You didn't respect my decision to not talk about myself and were plainly rude, don't talk about respect if you don't even know what the word means. No, you are wrong. I wasn't rude to you. I respect other people, know what that word means, thanks for concern. Again you blocked me here and in Discord, I can't reply to you there or here. What a strange decision indeed. After what you said to me and how you behaved, it shouldn't come to any surprise that I blocked you. And besides that has nothing to do with the topic, so just stop with your provokations. |
| The stain of red that colors the pavement Painted with blood of somebody you love Is this the sacrifice for the broken Losing the purest of what's in your heart |
Wusel-chan said: Sotara said: No, you are wrong. I wasn't rude to you. I respect other people, know what that word means, thanks for concern. Again you blocked me here and in Discord, I can't reply to you there or here. What a strange decision indeed. After what you said to me and how you behaved, it shouldn't come to any surprise that I blocked you. And besides that has nothing to do with the topic, so just stop with your provokations. I wrote nothing rude to you. No, I was surprised. I have to reply you here as you blocked me. No provocations, simply you behave yourself like this. |
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| If you ask girls... it's a matter of taste. If you ask guys... it's quite obvious. |
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| Not gay. So romance anime between two dudes doesn't appeal to me. |
NextUniverse said: main issue came from gender prefrence only bi n gay can enjoy any stuff from there. Dunno about u maybe u can enjoy it since u can enjoy other romance beside hetero but not for me n people that hate itISeeLifePeople said: im also wonder why do u love bl ? Do u love male n male relationship ? Do u love sexual scene that involve a pair male ? Or mickey has something special that u really into on him more than friend like a couple ? lol it's not something I adore, but I see no issue with it. if it can be wholesome like normal romance, then what's the issue? could also go into some detail regular romance don't do (like ppl trying to fit in gay life with society), it seems like something that could bring across very interesting stories. |
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| It's not really hated anymore, bl is more popular and trending than gl at this point |
| Here I thought "it's gay" was a good enough reason, guess I was wrong. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Most of it is awfully written smug on the level of generic porn plot. There is almost no BL anime and BL manga has incredibly low standards, which transforms into low expectations in the demographic for BL, which then further enables the low standard. |
You all need to watch Nami. |
| I said before that one shouldn't let fanbases ruin a show or series for you and well, the fanbase surrounding Gay or Lesbian ships ruined it for me. They are just everywhere. They are often forcing their ships without tackling the root of these portrayals in media. |
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| I generally don't really care about romance if it's the whole selling point. I don't mind if it's one aspect within the story but a pure romance story, no matter if straight or gay, just doesn't interest me. |
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| The stain of red that colors the pavement Painted with blood of somebody you love Is this the sacrifice for the broken Losing the purest of what's in your heart |
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