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Ajunky said: Hikari_Hoshisora said: All this time I thought the twins were a boy and a girl, after this episode now I see they both were girls. I was also sure one was a boy, considering bu-chan's reaction during the creepy schoolgirls episode (he was showing a combined male-female symbol)... so what was that about?  Pretty sure Toto is still a boy, 11y/o female VA and Swimsuit not withstanding. |
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HonoredVagabond said: Anybody know the VA for pops? Probably Yoshitsugu Matsuoka |
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| Oh boy this episode was great and wild must of been pure fanservice for those big old sentai fans even for me it reminded me of power rangers when they were all combining together fragment this time had a badass design was just waiting for a eva reference if it screamed but i'll take a mouth beam instead. |
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| I also caught these references : Also, i think this episode was in the mind of the scientist |
| Fanservice went next level this time around. It was actually kinda funny. Anyways got Tron, Power Rangers, Transformers, Gurren Lagann, and Evangelion vibes all in one episode. Fun shit. |
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| Some serious Gurren Lagann vibes coming out of this one... loved it actually lol. I wish we could've seen more of that world though, since from the brief views we got, it looked to be my favorite so far. I love sprawling, futuristic metropolis settings. As for Yayaka's behavior... jealousy, perhaps? I still think Papika has nothing to do with her saving them, I really think she just has hots for Cocona. Call it Yuri goggles if you want, but I'm calling it now. Some nicely placed camera angels this episode as well ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) |
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| I love this series so much and how deep it is (Surface level its all a mindfuck). Seeing how this Pure Illusion was Dr.Hidaka's it allowed me to understand him at least a little more than the few glimpses of crazy we saw before, though I honestly like his subconscious more than his regular self due to all the gar he was putting out (This was a Gurren Lagann level episode). |
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| Those twins piss me off. I wish Yayaka would leave and join Cocona and Papika instead. But we still don't know why any of them are collecting the fragments yet... |
| Omfg this episode. This fucking episode right here. This episode stimulated the comedy and action to the same level as episode 3. This is one of the more entertaining, more fun, and hilarious episode so far. Can we also just applaud the colors and animation once again? The quality hasn't winded down and it seems to only get better. And that smol human being. Like this boy (old man?) stole the show. He's so adorable I just want to squish him. And were those gundam and neon genesis evangelion references? That cracked me up so hard! I also really enjoyed that the show utilized the twins more. Perhaps more of their cameos shows a shift in Yayaka's attitude towards Cocona and Papika? Hmm. We'll have to see. But it was really cute to see tsuntsun Yayaka when she tried to FlipFlap. I also really liked how they concluded the episode with Hidaka in the same angle as the beginning. There wasn't much we learned about him but I can tell previously but I've learned that he is dedicated and loyal to whatever he created. I think even Cocona sees where he's coming from too Anywho, great episode! Really looking forward to next weeks episode! And the loli from the opening appears! I wonder how her inclusion to Amorpheous group will impact Yayaka's role. |
cottonpieNov 24, 2016 11:08 PM
| Did they just merged 3 different universes into one? Tron, Power Rangers and NGE... |
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| WTF was with this Power Rangers Megazoid/Pacific Rim/Transformers thing |
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| Really enjoyed the highly animated action in this episode, could have done without all the loli bait cheesecake shots though. Hikari_Hoshisora said: What a funny episode, and those angles tho. All this time I thought the twins were a boy and a girl, after this episode now I see they both were girls. I think one of them is a boy, he was just wearing a girls swimsuit. |
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Now that I think about it, if we take into account how important syncing is, him wearing a girl's swimsuit makes sense... At least it would be the only choice if the alternative is her going topless... |
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| So they were inside Bu-chan's brain. Great episode. |
Dantson said: I'm not surprised, seeing as how most folks on here don't watch super robot anime or know about any sentai.Ciphra-XIII said: Glad to see others caught onto the sentai references too :3. Episodes like this is why this is my anime of the season Thanks mate, i'm seeing people here saying TTGL, Drills, etc and i'm like "Bro, do you even 80's sentai?" |
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great episode. I wonder who mimi is. |
TiemuuuNov 26, 2016 12:43 AM
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| Absolutely loved this episode, the visuals blew me away the most, future neon tron vibes are my shit Anybody else really into the Great White Creator's design and personality? Also, I'm pretty sure that was a reference to Deidara from Naruto at the end, lmao. Geijutsu wa Bakuhatsu da! |
| Loved all the mecha references in this episode. The Mimi name drop at the end was intense too. It looks like in the coming episodes we will get a lot more clarity on the surrounding events. I can't wait for next week already!! |
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| Yayaka is mad gay. |
| Flip Flapping transformation to take on a techno beefy bird man with laser eyes and various other things. Fan service in the form of a few well placed, and not so well placed camera angles on the girls in swim suits. Flip Flapping mech combining with it's own theme song. Yayaka being a tsundere while fighting for her friends. Triple Flip Flapping. I'd say this was another Good episode. |
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| THis was a GREAT episode, even though I usually hate mecha. The only downside to this episode was the unnecessary in your face fanservice. That was gross. At this point, I'll be really disappointed if Yayaka doesn't join them. She's drifting apart from whatever organization she's in, and the twins don't care about her. They even said they're going to report her. Now, it was mentioned in another episode that people who visit Pure Illusion come in pairs for some reason I forgot, and the ease of syncing between the twins strikes me.. The only reason they can sync is probably because they don't have much emotion, so it's not difficult to overcome any problems since they don't have any. Which is a nice foil to Cocona and Papika. On another side, Yayaka's ability to sync with Cocona and Papika here through "flipflapping" makes me think they can bend the rules and sync between three people, if Yayaka joins them. |
| Great episode, loved that Super Sentai Maskman mecha :) I would love to know who sung that insert song? Kinda sounded like Nana Mizuki, also really like voice actresses for twins :) |
kamil88Nov 27, 2016 2:16 PM
Dantson said: That Flashking and Great Titan like mechas brought back childhood memories. Loved it! Man glad I am not the only who realize that Maskman reference |
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ouriel said: Did they just merged 3 different universes into one? Tron, Power Rangers and NGE... Just 2 world : The town and that professor reference to Denkou Choujin Gridman The robot is special tribute for Hikari Sentai Maskman |
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| I liked "Pops".....but this episode, not so much. TTGL has ruined the mecha genre for me: nothing else is going to outdo it. XD Also I don't really like seeing other girls' butts so close up. :p |
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| Now the genre is mecha, what's next... They already showcased horror, fantasy, drama, gender bender, adventure, and more. This anime is unique, always enjoyed it :D |
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Dantson said: Shunaria said: Just 2 world : The town and that professor reference to Denkou Choujin Gridman The robot is special tribute for Hikari Sentai Maskman actually, Choushinsei Flashman Oh damn forgot the boys robo line used by flashman first not marksman #facepalm |
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Cruxador said: And butch. That truck. Fuck, that's EXACTLY what I said while watching it. Thank you.  |
Shunaria said: ouriel said: Did they just merged 3 different universes into one? Tron, Power Rangers and NGE... Just 2 world : The town and that professor reference to Denkou Choujin Gridman The robot is special tribute for Hikari Sentai Maskman Oooh, I see, because it was very similar to Tron, that's why I thought it referenced Tron as well. :) |
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Cruxador said: ouriel said: I think it probably did. The tendency towards strong lines is a tron thing that isn't in DCG.Oooh, I see, because it was very similar to Tron, that's why I thought it referenced Tron as well. :) Yeah, that's why I thought was a reference to Tron as well, because there were also references to other Western movies. The whole neon lights, lines and buildings gave a vibe to Tron(both '82s movie and Legacy). |
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Cruxador said: Neromon said: It was clearly Buu's. The lewd camera angles (note places where Buu's face has been up until now) and the fact that he was damaged after the city got trashed, and the fact that the planet was his brain, and the fact that robot buu wasn't with the girls, but instead a small tech guy was. I honestly don't know how they could have made this clearer. Even with the Umwelt theme, if you weren't already familiar with that you'd at least have to google Uexküll.So I guess they were in Dr.Hidaka's Pure Illusion this time. What's clear to me is that the scientist and his lab represent Dr.Hidaka: The last scene also implies that the girls' adventure changed him a bit. Rewatch that one and the scene after the OP. This episode clearly put the spotlight on him. What you're saying definitely makes sense though. Fai explained it in his post: Fai said: And on top of that the whole planet literally looked like a giant brain. It is very likely that this was the pure illusion representing either the Bu-Chan or Dr.Hidaka(because of glasses motif and his "evil lair" having similar aesthetic to Pop's place). I think it is likely both. Pops maintaining a falling apart city on a brain-like planet is very akin parallel to Dr. Hidaka maintaining and repairing Bu-Chan. So in a way Pops was Hidaka's subconscious, while the planet and the city were Bu-Chan. Technology and repairing Bu-Chan is Hidaka's world, so to say. He is trying to save it but he feels maintaining Bu-chan might be futile(as indicated int he end sequence with Hidaka). |
ideallyqualia said: THis was a GREAT episode, even though I usually hate mecha. The only downside to this episode was the unnecessary in your face fanservice. That was gross. It's been conjectured in the Sakuga blog (if you don't know what that is, it's a blog devoted to examining animation in anime) that the sudden fanservice moments is actually due to the presence of webgen animators this episode who animated all the mecha. Apparently, webgen animators are all perverts. https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2016/11/27/flip-flappers-episodes-7-and-8/ Just some FYI! :D |
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Jaguar-chan said: ideallyqualia said: THis was a GREAT episode, even though I usually hate mecha. The only downside to this episode was the unnecessary in your face fanservice. That was gross. It's been conjectured in the Sakuga blog (if you don't know what that is, it's a blog devoted to examining animation in anime) that the sudden fanservice moments is actually due to the presence of webgen animators this episode who animated all the mecha. Apparently, webgen animators are all perverts. https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2016/11/27/flip-flappers-episodes-7-and-8/ Just some FYI! :D There's also the fact that tasteless fanservice is VERY common aspect of mecha genre so its in line with the theme of the show. The ass-shot angles were especially prevalent in stuff like Code Geass. |
AhenshihaelNov 29, 2016 5:19 AM
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Fai said: Jaguar-chan said: It's been conjectured in the Sakuga blog (if you don't know what that is, it's a blog devoted to examining animation in anime) that the sudden fanservice moments is actually due to the presence of webgen animators this episode who animated all the mecha. Apparently, webgen animators are all perverts. https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2016/11/27/flip-flappers-episodes-7-and-8/ Just some FYI! :D There's also the fact that tasteless fanservice is VERY common aspect of mecha genre so its in line with the theme of the show. The ass-shot angles were especially prevalent in stuff like Code Geass. Ha! I don't honestly remember those shots from Code GEASS! (Then again, I've only watched seven episodes of the thing, and that was already a half-a-year ago.) Curious, though. What do you mean by "in line with the theme of the show"? Just so you know, I am not a mecha anime fan. The only mecha anime I've ever watched were Neon Genesis Evangelion (of which I am still in the process of watching) and those seven episodes of Code GEASS, and neither of them strike me as shows that use fanservice "thematically". |
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Jaguar-chan said: Fai said: There's also the fact that tasteless fanservice is VERY common aspect of mecha genre so its in line with the theme of the show. The ass-shot angles were especially prevalent in stuff like Code Geass. Ha! I don't honestly remember those shots from Code GEASS! (Then again, I've only watched seven episodes of the thing, and that was already a half-a-year ago.) Curious, though. What do you mean by "in line with the theme of the show"? Just so you know, I am not a mecha anime fan. The only mecha anime I've ever watched were Neon Genesis Evangelion (of which I am still in the process of watching) and those seven episodes of Code GEASS, and neither of them strike me as shows that use fanservice "thematically". This episode was one big homage to 80's and 90's mecha and super robot shows. EVA was kind of a subversion of traditional mecha and even then you have characters walking naked, sexual undertones and the plugsuit design. The fanservice also got REALLY heavy and tasteless in rebuild movies though. They do not use fanservice "thematically". The fanservice is simply ingrained into the perception of mecha genre because of prevalent it is. A LOT of mecha shows have obsession with breasts or ass. So it is no surprise that an episode of flip flappers themed after mecha and super robot genres will have things like that. |
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Jaguar-chan said: I'm pretty sure it's due to the fact of whose PI they were in. And then the webgen animators were picked for this episode because they're good at that kind of thing, rather than the other way around. If you look at the credits (or... anything, really) it's pretty clear that there was a lot of hand-picking done when making this show and it's all based on matching styles to what the episode is to be like.ideallyqualia said: THis was a GREAT episode, even though I usually hate mecha. The only downside to this episode was the unnecessary in your face fanservice. That was gross. It's been conjectured in the Sakuga blog (if you don't know what that is, it's a blog devoted to examining animation in anime) that the sudden fanservice moments is actually due to the presence of webgen animators this episode who animated all the mecha. Apparently, webgen animators are all perverts. https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2016/11/27/flip-flappers-episodes-7-and-8/ Just some FYI! :D While I agree, I don't think that's inconsistent with it being Buu, who is probably influenced by the guy who maintains and presumably created him. The last scene also implies that the girls' adventure changed him a bit. Rewatch that one and the scene after the OP. This episode clearly put the spotlight on him. Just from the scenes, it seemed like Sayuri's behavior changed more than his.Mind, I think the "it's both" theory is valid. |
Cruxador said: The last scene also implies that the girls' adventure changed him a bit. Rewatch that one and the scene after the OP. This episode clearly put the spotlight on him. Just from the scenes, it seemed like Sayuri's behavior changed more than his.The notable thing for me was the fact that he cleaned up the room. |
Cruxador said: Jaguar-chan said: I'm pretty sure it's due to the fact of whose PI they were in. And then the webgen animators were picked for this episode because they're good at that kind of thing, rather than the other way around. If you look at the credits (or... anything, really) it's pretty clear that there was a lot of hand-picking done when making this show and it's all based on matching styles to what the episode is to be like.It's been conjectured in the Sakuga blog (if you don't know what that is, it's a blog devoted to examining animation in anime) that the sudden fanservice moments is actually due to the presence of webgen animators this episode who animated all the mecha. Apparently, webgen animators are all perverts. https://blog.sakugabooru.com/2016/11/27/flip-flappers-episodes-7-and-8/ Just some FYI! :D This may be an idiotic question, but I'm going to ask it anyway. What do you mean by 'PI'? Looking it up on acronymfinder.com and I'm not getting anything that really applies to your context. And I was aware that they handpicked most of the webgen animators for that episode. What I wanted to say was that they handpicked those who were good at making mecha animation, and that those animators also happen to have a tendency with making fanservice-y shots. Of course, now that I think about it, isn't it the storyboard's job to decide which shots the show chooses to show? The key animators are the ones who decide how the shots flow, not what the shots are going to be shown themselves, right? If that's the case, it would probably then be the storyboard guy/s (who I'm sure are also handpicked each episode) be responsible for all the fanservice, wouldn't it? Or maybe I just have a huge misunderstanding on how creating animation works. Who knows? :P |
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Cruxador said: Jaguar-chan said: Sorry, Pure Illusion. I thought it would be obvious from context but I guess not.This may be an idiotic question, but I'm going to ask it anyway. What do you mean by 'PI'? Looking it up on acronymfinder.com and I'm not getting anything that really applies to your context. And I was aware that they handpicked most of the webgen animators for that episode. What I wanted to say was that they handpicked those who were good at making mecha animation, and that those animators also happen to have a tendency with making fanservice-y shots. Well, I don't think it's happenstance though. After all, it's not like the animators are the only ones to decide these things, and it was heavily foreshadowed with Buu's perversion in other situations.Of course, now that I think about it, isn't it the storyboard's job to decide which shots the show chooses to show? The key animators are the ones who decide how the shots flow, not what the shots are going to be shown themselves, right? If that's the case, it would probably then be the storyboard guy/s (who I'm sure are also handpicked each episode) be responsible for all the fanservice, wouldn't it? You're not wrong, but storyboard is often gonna be the most heavily debated aspect of the show, internally. It's a pie with a lot of fingers. So if there wasn't a broad intent for butts to be there, they wouldn't.Ah well. Guess you got a point there. I'll just go with what Fai said earlier. It seems very likely to me that they'd add that fanservice in a mecha themed episode because fanservice is very prominent in mecha. |
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Fai said: Pure Illusion layers seem to be more like "Layers of perception of reality". They do not necessarily represent the subconscious but HOW various identities/people view the world. The fitting layers however do seem to house the subconscious - Iro's subconscious was for example a gate in a layer that is very akin to her paintings. The End of last episode seems to also shown us Salt's layer. And this was Dr.Hidaka's Otherwise the layers they visit are influenced by Cocona and Papika's emotions and the conflict she goes on through - for example Episode 7 threw Cocona into a layer where she could interact with different Papikas(because that layer was compatible with Cocona's issues with what she did to Iro and wanting to separate from Papika), while multiple other layers seemed to embody her struggle with identity and sexual orientation too(ex: Episode 5 pure illusion was accessible because of Cocona's own strugle with sexual identity, which also overlaps with Episode 6). Likewise she reached the layer where Iro's subconscious and identity resides because her wanting to connect with her and understand her resonated with Pure Illusion Tldr: Layers = Different Perceptions of Reality = Influenced by those who travel into them and influence those who travel into them = Can embody the problems and psychological issues of those traveling through them and can house those whose perception of the world fits that layer(ex: Iro's subconscious level existing within the perception akin to her paintings). Deeper Layer - the representation of separate subconscious that exists within specific layer that matches it's perception of the world. Very good way of explaining this, and your recognition of Id, Ego, and Super Ego was great. Dude, I gotta tip my hat to ya. |
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