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| The animation is very nice, the story is ok, but the end... could have been better. |
| One of those movies that leave you in deep thought and very engaging. Loved it for its story and deep meanings. 9/10 |
| should i be as depressed as i am after having watched this? |
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| This was trying to be very clever but it fell somewhat flat because the movie is only portraying one small part of a much larger story. (As far as I could tell... or at least, that was the sense that I got.) "I have to kill my father!" -- What the fuck? That came out of nowhere. So Teacher is Kannami's father? Really? Sure, whatever. I had thought that Teacher may have been the father of Suito's kid but now I'm wondering if Kannami was the father. I can't remember if it was Kannami's previous incarnation or Teacher in the flashback where Suito is sleeping with someone at the whorehouse. I liked it, but I was very confused at the end because of all the unanswered questions and what I suspect was an awful translation (I watched it dubbed). And I agree with everyone that it was really well animated and nice to look at. 5/10, maybe a 6 if I let it sink in or rewatch. |
yamakasiJul 16, 2010 7:51 AM
| Great, just great! The animation was at Masterpiece, i was little confused by the story itself and sometime it was getting boring actually. But it was simply awesome! 7/10 |
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| Not too big on slow pacing. Not too big on some sort of endless loop (blame Endless Eight for that.) But a sucker for beautiful scenery and environment in nearly every frame. And a sucker for air battles. 7/10. PS: Being an adaptation as it is, it seems like it was something where I had to at least know something about the original to, I guess, become engaged with the plot and the characters. But the slow pacing and later this theme of some sort of endless loop kept me from any significant amount of enjoyment. PSS: The degree of indifference in this movie made me feel indifferent in this post. PSSS: WHY IS THERE SO MUCH SMOKING IN THIS MOVIE. |
WindFalcon said: I can see that a lot of people didn't understand and/or missed the point of the movie, which is really sad. Because this movie is so much more than "eye candy", "dogfight porn" etc. For me the movie is one of the best I have watched in the past several months, perfect plot progression, brain food, and overall enjoyment. This. |
| WoW,That plot was a mess to watch,but by the end i peiced it all together ;) The characters sucked.Everyone looked alike and had no emotion what so ever. Sent with Mal Updater |
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| I loved every moment of the movie.. except the last few, which just completely and utterly pissed me off. No two ways about that. |
| Can't say if it was boring but the whole Kildren thing and the ending could have been better |
| I really liked the movie. Great movie for the past 6 months that I've watched. Liked the soundtrack and the ending theme of course. I'll definitely recommend this to my friends as we love mind working movies such as Inception, etc. But I do think the pacing is slow, but it kinda feels alright to just relax with it. :) |
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| Well, it was interesting to watch, and I'm glad I watched it... But don't plan on ever watching it again. It was sooooooo long and boring, not going to lie. The concepts are great though, so I appreciate it for that much at least. A very artsy film, and those are difficult to watch sometimes. Perhaps I needed to be in the right mood for it. Also, Smoking Crawlers is a more apt name for this film. Or Staring into Space Crawlers. Or Not Responding to Important Questions Crawlers. I kid, I kid. But here's a face representing every second scene of the film; each face is ten seconds long: ._. ._. ._. (doesn't respond to something important-sounding someone said) ._. ._. ._._ (cigarette in mouth) ._._ ._._ ._. (drops cigarette) ._. ._. ._. And I guess that was the point, now that I think about. Perhaps all of us are living rather meaningless lives. We can't really change anything, but what side of the road we're walking on. Very Daoist feeling to it all, perhaps? |
| One would have to take another look and realize the characters who are NOT Killdren had facial expressions. It was the Killdren who didn't show any expression. Which sort of fit into the whole theme. |
| This was an interesting anime but was completely boring. The ending was good for what it was though |
| I supposed all who post here already watched the movie. I finished watching it just now and just thought of putting something in here about the movie. So if we put it on our perspective, the Kildrens where like clones with planted memories and such, only made to fight through air combat. Immortals that only dies when they get shot down. They probably for example 1 type of kildren got about 10+ more or even 100 or a 1000 more like him in ROSTOCK's Squadron but with just a different name and different in some body/face characteristics. For example Kudagawa when he got shot down later on a new member joined there squadron, Totally different name but with the same hair color, as well as an OCD type of thing like what he does after reading a newspaper (folding it neatly) . The same cycle probably happened throughout the story maybe? As at the end Kannami died (which kind of made me feel horrible :/) Again a new member joined their squadron, but totally the same characteristic's like Kannami e.g. breaking the match sticks into half and throwing it away after lighting up a cigarrette. In my opinion i think that was a great Movie. I would've loved to see how the war started and ended, but i guess it won't end as Kusanagi said in a game there's always a strong opponent and it would be an eternal game unless if that strong opponent is defeated. |
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| Jeez. I went in expecting airplane porn, came out with a multi layered story and a smile on my face. I really gotta start questioning the MAL users since shit like Guilty Crown and Deadman Wonderland got a higher average rating than this. Wtf guys? Wonderful movie. |
| This was probably the worst character design that I've ever seen in an anime! However, the aerial scenes more than made up for it. I wish I could say that I loved this movie, but no. It actually left me with more questions than answers and was lacking key elements to me. The viewer doesn't get to see inside of the organization that created these "Killdren." I would love to have seen how they are created and reincarnated. I also would have liked to learn more about "Teacher." Was he the creator of the "Killdren"? And, was this even a real war that they were fighting or just pure entertainment for the adults? |
Hannah_AnaJan 28, 2013 11:10 AM
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Truelove said: "Father" - is also biblical allusion to the one of Creators (just like in Blade Runner movie). +1 Can be. And not the first time in Mamoru Oshii works. Cholisose said: And I guess that was the point, now that I think about. Perhaps all of us are living rather meaningless lives. We can't really change anything, but what side of the road we're walking on. Very Daoist feeling to it all, perhaps? Yes. I had a word "Sansara" popping up in relation to this film, but not in any religious sense. The concept fits close to experience. Some kind of false infinity that has no good device, a game that plays it's participants, or maybe real players are not shown to us. This is all like life on Earth if you look throught excitement of a moment and isolated scenarios, that give illusion of movement. What realy moves though, is one's lifeblood streaming in the sand or stirring of a boiling pot, from which a being cannot escape. Anything can be had here by, except freedom. So, you realise this and despair (Kusanagi) but death can only give you a memory wipe. And if someone comes who could end this, he may need your help, your awareness of the situation. I'm glad that Osii doesn't lie here about a saviour of some kind, but rather honestly proposes a use of a chance that may come if you hold on and don't forget yourself and the truth you (Kusanagi) know. I don't know what it is and what may the change be, but it seems that Suito has something to try next time, there is more to her in Epilogue. I can't say I enjoyed the movie, but I certainly liked it and I'm glad Oshii makes a meaningfull work once again. |
Hell is empty and all the devils are here. |
| Confusing but I loved the soundtrack. I still dont really understand what the hell happened but the concept was interesting. 7/10 |
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| The scene after the credits will mend any broken hearts over this film. :') |
| The story was pretty damn interesting and the deep meaning this had is definitely something that makes one think. I'm sure everything about the film itself has been said already and I'm too lazy to write a wall of text. Not sure if the Kuldren (or however it's spelled) actually don't ago or if they're just "produced" and all die early. They are replaceable though, just like most people in a real world war. Also a very unique film, I've never seen anything like it before (in terms on story). Very interesting film, there should be more stuff like this instead of the bullshit that airs nowadays. 7/10. |
I almost never read discussions after I made my post, if you want to reply PM me or post on my profile page. |
| Interesting theme of kildren. Alright movie I say. Deep plot but à little confusing. (So hard to type with à french keyboard, don bother with thé a's). |
| ugh never ending supplies of clones |
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| Though not as prolific as the other works Oshii has been involved with, still a very good watch. 8/10 |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| Wish I could like this but I couldn't get into it. It was nicely animated, the music was alright and the character designs weren't the worst, but the pacing was NOT for me nor was the plot. Could not stay interested. Tachii said: PSSS: WHY IS THERE SO MUCH SMOKING IN THIS MOVIE. ^ this |
| When I saw this Movie many Years ago...I was quite...Well actually I can't even say what I tough that Movie at that moment...or more likely don't quite fully remember. In the end tough that movie was well not my favorite, but pretty OK....and also I was quite shock that World where there is no wars but people fight in real battles in stead of Wars and die...quite shitty world in my opinion...sacrifices of the these people....make rest of their world safe? quite stupid world |
| Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival.~Winston Churchill "Fate of the universe will be Decided as it SHOULD be, in MORTAL KOMBAT!" ~Elder Gods "Justice WILL Prevail?" "But OF COURSE IT WILL!! WHOEVER WINS, BECOMES THE JUSTICE!!!" ~Donquixote Doflamingo (King, Pirate, Shichibukai, Philosopher(?) (One Piece)) |
| Well that was disappointing. The muffled engrish didnt help either. |
| I liked the pacing and soundtrack. Animation was decent. The way characters constantly ignore the main character's questions to keep the mystery going started to get annoying. In the end this movie had to have two very out-of-place information dump scenes to make up for all the withheld information. They really could have done better. |
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| THAT FKN ENDING OMG I was waiting and hoping Kannami to come back, so was it actually Kannami that was killed at the end there? I was confused on which plane he was piloting. There was awkward pauses in this movie where a character would just stand in one spot and not do anything for like 2 minites lol. |
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| 9/10. CG planes looked great, nice Kawai soundtrack, and the story was subtle yet managed to get its point across... CHANGE It’s a clichéd phrase you often hear, but “war never changes”. This I believe is the most important lesson to take away from the film. Many scenes are repetitive on purpose, be it folding the newspaper, visiting the diner, conversations, bowling shots, plane movements, smoking, or the news reel. Most importantly is the Kildren, beings not considered human and who never age. They are soldiers used to fight our wars, something that also never changes. CHILDREN The pilots are children for a simple reason, to show that war really is just a game, a farce. It’s immature and is sparked and forever repeated by the most petty of reasons. BUSINESSES This also a simple reason. War is driven by profit. Such is the reason the opposing armies are companies and their commander is named the Manager. What I still don't get is why Yuuichi went after the Teacher towards the end, repeating the same mistakes as many had before him (and even mimicking the aforementioned loss by the other squadron). I mean this was just after he was done giving a to Suito about change and not giving up. Also why did he call him Father? |
mwsmws22Mar 14, 2015 6:35 PM
| Why are some people saying that this movie's art and direction was pretentious at points ? Enlighten me please. |
| Almost bored me to death. 2/10 |
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| sounds of flight was kinda realistic but boring ezaya said: Almost bored me to death. 2/10 same here 5/10 |
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| God that was bland I expected more 4/10 |
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| I certainly guessed the whole 'plot twist' after few minutes of the movie. Will check the TV anime adaptation of this. |
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| Decent setting, good animation, good music. However, I never liked any of the characters. Well, except for the dog. The dog was cute though. I find this very confusing and I just couldn't get into it. The pacing was boring as hell. This isn't my type of movie. Only 4/10 for me.. |
| I just wonder what could Kusanagi do to break the cycle? It seems impossible to me. The Teacher and his clones (Kannami, past versions and future ones) are simply too important to be replaced. One is the biggest enemy and the other is an ace soldier. Kusanagi can only observe and live on, for her and her daughter. |
| this movie was bizarre and the ending was strange. at the end was did yuichi and teacher killed each other or teacher killed him judging by his or not replacement or reincarnation Hiiragi Isamu. The movie was twisted and very peculiar. |
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