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SleepingEntity said: hpulley said: There is a disconnect already as I have never seen the VN and yet I love the anime as it is. If it could have been even better then I am blissfully unaware of its true potential. I am thoroughly enjoying it and a second season just like this would be great IMO. Second season is nothing like this. It's on a whole new level of sad. Okay...*prepares a bag of tissues and a bucket* I'm ready. XD |
Magito said: Okay...*prepares a bag of tissues and a bucket* I'm ready. XD You'd better not be thinking about using those for anything other than your tears! -_- xD |
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Vladz0r said: The thing I dislike the most is that Kurugaya has been reduced to a fanservice bisexual archetypal character >_> A lot of the characters come off as pretty generic looking at the anime, and if you can't relate with the characters, season 2's gonna be shit. You could probably read the VN save for Rin and Refrain, and watch season 2 and get a lot of enjoyment out of it. The characters are likable if you haven't seen a lot of anime, but they won't feel too unique from the anime alone. I was watching LB, Robotics;Notes, Sakurasou starting from the fall season, and didn't really watch a lot of anime prior to that, so the character types seemed really unique to me at the time, but after seeing other anime, most of the characters feel like rehashes of the same thing. The LB expands on character portrayal for each character far beyond the "I'm always happy", "I'm insecure", "I'm always there for you", "I'm shy", etc. character types, and I feel like if I wasn't really enjoying the anime a lot before I played the VN, mainly because I know a lot about each of the characters. I feel like if most of us didnt' play the VN, the episodes wouldn't even have as high ratings. We know the backstory, development, and uniqueness of each character already, so we can overlook it and enjoy the series. Even though we've read the VN, the characters still felt and feel like much more than copy-pasted archetype characters from another series. I feel like this is the biggest issue with the anime by itself, which derives from there being even less common route than dramatic heroine route episodes. I mean, looking back when I was watching weekly before reading the VN, I didn't even remember Komari's name come episode 4, and we've already reaching her mental breakdown? That's almost as bad as Kotoura-san's. It's difficult to animate a lot of the slice of life, because the VN doesn't keep the central purpose, the Secret of the World, in mind, and it also requires a much bigger time investment. You can expect little plot progression (in many VNs) for hours at a time, so it'd tedious to animate it 1:1. Seriously though, I feel like the VN readers, this is a good treat of a show. The character portrayal isn't as in-depth, but it's pretty consistent with the source material. If KyoAni did this, they might be able to make the characters seem more unique, but with this many episodes, it would still hard to be able to identify and relate to each character nearly as much as you could by playing the VN. /rant VN is always more detailed than any anime adaptation, and it will never change (okay, I know you already know this, but I think you still have a bit of wishful thinking :p) After some observations, I think most of the "I don't like LB adaptation since it's not as detailed as the VN/didn't follow the VN" arise because most of people already played the VN. Now, let's compare it with Clannad, arguably the best KEY adaptation by KyoAni... ...most of the routes are butchered, but nobody give a sh*t about it since only few have an access to read the VN back then. People's expectation are also lower, and the people's trust is higher than current LB's situation. Better direction and art quality is the only thing that I can guarantee if this was handled by KyoAni. Can't guarantee the same thing for script, adaptation tactics and precision to the original material :p |
zeroyuki92 said: VN is always more detailed than any anime adaptation, and it will never change (okay, I know you already know this, but I think you still have a bit of wishful thinking :p) After some observations, I think most of the "I don't like LB adaptation since it's not as detailed as the VN/didn't follow the VN" arise because most of people already played the VN. Now, let's compare it with Clannad, arguably the best KEY adaptation by KyoAni... ...most of the routes are butchered, but nobody give a sh*t about it since only few have an access to read the VN back then. People's expectation are also lower, and the people's trust is higher than current LB's situation. Better direction and art quality is the only thing that I can guarantee if this was handled by KyoAni. Can't guarantee the same thing for script, adaptation tactics and precision to the original material :p Very true, and I'm okay with the story butchering, but anime-only viewers aren't seeing the purpose of Little Busters yet. Maybe VN readers are just able to see all the foreshadowing and purpose behind the story, when it's less clear for anime viewers, so they kind of expect a story and get utter randomness. The thing is though... in hindsight, most of the setup, development, story, etc. that Little Busters season 2 requires is in place. It remained pretty accurate in the core meaning of the story, even though they didn't properly execute certain things. For example, Kud's route ending, I didn't feel like the emphasized her insecurity and feelings of being a "useless gear", so the magical ending made little sense to everyone, because the first 15 minutes of the episode was an added story. Cutting out the monologue Kud had didn't help, even if the added Kud's traveling around Tebua was clearer narration for how she became chained up. It was still there. You can clearly see she is an insecure character, but people overlooked the purpose of her route because of the poorly executed magic ending, where that wasn't as big of a problem in the VN, especially once you understand the secret. The baseball, the friendship, everything is done well, but another major thing was the comedy in the common route. They didn't execute all of it well at first, so that kind of screws over the early viewers who were hoping for a RomCom anime. The dramatic routes of each of the heroines are all there, and their purpose will come in due time, but again, the execution just didn't make sense to the audience. I think the flashbacks helped a lot though for Haruka and Mio's route, to convey the same message. I guess the resolutions didn't feel as wonderful or pretty as Clannadman's, even though some of them are essentially the same quality of story, word by word, just with different execution. I guess I only recently realized how important execution is in a story. It's pretty much up to the unveiling of the Secret of the World in season 2, to hopefully explain the underlying purpose of everything in a way where people will actually believe it and not feel like "Well the first season was so boring, and now the second season is trolling me with this explanation." My biggest fear is that some people will feel like the Secret of the World is crap. I think it depends on how sincere the unveiling is. The last few episodes of Little Busters Refrain can do a lot, to say the least. |
Vladz0r said: For example, Kud's route ending, I didn't feel like the emphasized her insecurity and feelings of being a "useless gear", so the magical ending made little sense to everyone, because the first 15 minutes of the episode was an added story. Cutting out the monologue Kud had didn't help, even if the added Kud's traveling around Tebua was clearer narration for how she became chained up. It was still there. You can clearly see she is an insecure character, but people overlooked the purpose of her route because of the poorly executed magic ending, where that wasn't as big of a problem in the VN, especially once you understand the secret. A rather pointless info to put in, but the 1st 15 minutes where we got to see Kud in her hometown was probably the added content from EX. (Not entirely sure as I haven't read additional EX content) I feel like Kud's insecurity and how she was a useless gear was executed better than the vn though. I honestly didn't understand the meaning of her route (to be fair, English is my worst subject) until Naoki pointed out directly. |
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dizzyworld2 said: A rather pointless info to put in, but the 1st 15 minutes where we got to see Kud in her hometown was probably the added content from EX. (Not entirely sure as I haven't read additional EX content) I feel like Kud's insecurity and how she was a useless gear was executed better than the vn though. I honestly didn't understand the meaning of her route (to be fair, English is my worst subject) until Naoki pointed out directly. Ah, I'm a stupid gaijin and haven't read EX yet. I still don't know the differences and added stuff besides the 3 new routes. Re-reading Kud's route, the focus seemed pretty clear. Another friend of mine who read it at least understood the emphasis of Kud's route, her being a useless gear, even if he doesn't understand how the magic was possible. |
Vladz0r said: dizzyworld2 said: A rather pointless info to put in, but the 1st 15 minutes where we got to see Kud in her hometown was probably the added content from EX. (Not entirely sure as I haven't read additional EX content) I feel like Kud's insecurity and how she was a useless gear was executed better than the vn though. I honestly didn't understand the meaning of her route (to be fair, English is my worst subject) until Naoki pointed out directly. Ah, I'm a stupid gaijin and haven't read EX yet. I still don't know the differences and added stuff besides the 3 new routes. Re-reading Kud's route, the focus seemed pretty clear. Another friend of mine who read it at least understood the emphasis of Kud's route, her being a useless gear, even if he doesn't understand how the magic was possible. Ahh, I see. It's probably my fault XD I'm going to reread LB! over the summer so hopefully I will actually notice those points OTL |
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Irustua said: An Anyway I think Little Busters! will be greater than CLANNAD when the whole series ends up. That depends on J.C. staff's execution of Refrain though. |
| I feel like LB is a much better designed story, and season 2 I will probably like more than Clannad. There's far less copout/asspulling to come in the ending compared to Clannad, and KyoAni pretty much ignored the Light Orb aspect while JC has been clearly addressing the Secret of the World. I think people liked Clannad s1 a lot because maybe it was relatively refreshing and new for the watchers, and the animation is pretty mesmerizing, but as anyone who recommends Clannad will tell you, the second season is what Clannad is all about. You could watch a small portion of Clannad season 1 and essentially get the same impact from season 2. I feel like LB season 2's recalling of all the events of the previous season will make it awesome. When I read the common route, it wasn't completely godlike 10/10 as a standalone story, but once you add the individual routes and Refrain, it became much more. I think when the unveiling of Refrain comes, people can at least understand the purpose of the routes from the first season, and see that they weren't tedious or pointless, but part of the development for the greater story. LB Season 2 has the potential to be one of the year's top anime. I don't know sales wise though. Clannad After Story actually didn't sell as well as Clannad in Japan, despite having a clearer story focus and being the better known part of Clannad. I'm optimistic, but hesitant. We need to wait for more announcements before we give our hopes up, but I'm just hoping that Jun Maeda, the head of Key will pull through, since season 2 will primarily consist of his work. Hopefully he does better quality assurance for his source material, so that it's executed properly. I'm just hoping that the 10-11k sales average will be enough to confirm a better budget for season 2, because season 1's budget has been very inconsistent. I agree with what you said about Clannad. The ending probably didn't make sense to anime-only watchers. The Secret of the World will at least be believable, except for maybe |
| Unexpectedly good episode. Seems like things are getting good again. |
| I can't wait for this series to end so I can finally understand what this refrain thing everyone is talking about. I feel so out of the loop not playing the VN ever D: |
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Vladz0r said: I feel like if most of us didnt' play the VN, the episodes wouldn't even have as high ratings. We know the backstory, development, and uniqueness of each character already, so we can overlook it and enjoy the series. Even though we've read the VN, the characters still felt and feel like much more than copy-pasted archetype characters from another series. I've been following Little Busters discussions for a while and it strikes me as odd over what people are saying in here. Especially Little Busters fans. Block out the obvious KEY haters and get the actual anime community. You'll see that they like this anime a lot. Crunchyroll's users are often positive about this, saying things like: "The friendship in this anime is just phenomenal." "Decent enough anime with fun characters. Fairly heavy topics with the girls that makes it more than a happy-go-lucky show." And my personal favorite: "It is so Key." And I'm pretty sure the high ratings come from the fact people here actually like Little Busters adaptation. You are exaggerating the population of VN players who have played it. A good chunk of them exist, but they're not the majority. The anime-only watchers exist and they're everywhere. And while negative raters are more vocal, the bigger chunk of people who like it are just not vocal. I just find it weird people keep saying, "Oh, Little Busters is unpopular because it only caters to VN fans." There's a bunch of people I know personally who likes it despite not reading the VN. Little Busters is still a popular show. I don't get how people misperceive the actual popularity. Sure, you can argue that Little Busters's anime adaptation doesn't do justice. But that doesn't mean anything towards popularity; that's just a rant on faithfulness. It's really a popular anime and I don't know why you guys are all pessimistic about it. |
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| I have never played the VN and yet I rate the series very highly. Love the episodes and the whole show. As an anime standing alone I think it is great. |
| Lol @ the beginning... Masato shocked, magic cutlet appeared... Also that dumbell, Mio's SF action story I'd like to see how she said that newlywed couple's conversation Komari, she's already giving her katsu before... So ,why last katsu still in one piece? Well, trivial things XD Veretax said: I never took kurugaya-san as being bi.... I thought it was more, that she just 'loves cute things so much' whether it is a boy or a girl that looks like a 'kid. (heh and for a second I freudian slipped and typed looks like a 'kud) ha This was a good episode, and LOL at being trolled by the dwarf story Only girls so far I guess Trolled by dwarf story? You mean Rin panicked that Komari is disappeared? |
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| Being a nub, i still have no idea about the origins of mysterious letters. It probably has to do with the Clannad thing... Heartwarming ep :) Hope they don't disappear |
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sirhcnil said: Being a nub, i still have no idea about the origins of mysterious letters. It probably has to do with the Clannad thing... Heartwarming ep :) Hope they don't disappear Glad you're enjoying, and it'll be obvious who's sending the letters by next episode ;3 |
| Oh wow, I almost tought komari-chan had dissapeared after the puppet show |
| This was pretty decent, all the episodes that contain these request from the unknown letter to cat person do feel like fillers but well I do still wonder who's behind all this and how he's able to know all these things in advance! Lets see what's next! |
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| One of the cats Rin looks after is flipping massive like Snorlax among felines. |
| The part where she was showing them the stories she made about the dwarfs make me think of angel beats! ;-; |
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| I'm glad they didn't disappear...yet :S I fear it's gonna happen sooner or later in Refrain, probably after the remaining routes are over. All the cute Rin faces this episode :D Continuing my theory. Again, only look if you want to. |
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| ^ Too much effort. Good episode. Surprised this episode is rated so highly. |
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| I thought Komari was going to disappear. :o |
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| That story Komari made really reminded me of Angel beats |
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| rinnn XD she is really trying her best in this episode :3 btw.. she doesn't shy talking to another kid yeah? hee...>~~ not really bad :3 |
| Maybe, it is Komari'chan who are sending those letters? o.o |
| Wonder who is sending the letters, and whats with all the whole secret world thing. Good episode, but kinda felt like filler. |
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| 5/5 The judgment that I am now formulating, has as its basis the hypothesis of knowing that a second season has already been made, ergo I would say that they wanted to leave the best for last, very good in a sense, while not sharing the fact of how they managed the story so far. Interesting plot, returns the mystery of the letters. Narration sweet, Komari is too kind, he manages to bring out the good in you. Even Rin manages to be charismatic. Not bad at the end of the episode. Drawings and animations promoted. Curious to know what's going to happen in the last two episodes! * _ * |
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| Hmm...time traveling letters? :p |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
sn0w said: The part where she was showing them the stories she made about the dwarfs make me think of angel beats! ;-; Me too. I thought Riki-kun watched AB! because he was feeling a deja vu there. |
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| I really love the moments with Rin and Komari together was so cute! |
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| That was so fucking cute. That puppet show looked so sweet, I would have loved to see it :3 That book with the dwarf looked a lot like what Rin and Riki are doing. Eight friends is also the number of friends they have. That is some strange foreshadowing... We already know who that last member gonna be... oƃuǝʞ s,ʇᴉ : ʇuᴉɥ |
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| Jeez. I was freaking out when Rin couldn't find Komari near the end there. I thought she disappeared like the dwarves in that story. Damn key! Don't scare me like that. I even more sure that Kyousuke is definitely doing something in the background. I can feel it. |
Nice episode. That mio voice acting was hilarious. I loved Kyousuke story, it was funny and nostalgic somehow lol. That EPIC DBZ reference lmfao xD  |
| Can we all just take a moment to appreciate Mio's puppet show? It was the best thing ever :P |
| great episode... 5/5 |
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| weird how komari was in the rooftop at the end |
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| Was scared for a moment Komari might have disappeared on us ;-; |
| Sounds like Riki will dissapear once he solves his harem's personal issues. |
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| Usually I don't like the genki girl all that much, but Komari-chan is just fun to watch somehow with her positivity. |
| Komari can't really stop being nice every opportunity she sees one, Masato you big muscle head leave other people's food alone Another letter has arrived and a puppet show must commence, Komari has a lot of stories she made that's just cute, Mio's voice acting out the puppets were also kind of funny and a little bit adoring Strange the dwarves disappeared that's weird, Glad that Rin and Komari kind of had a time of themselves last night. |
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| If I guess well it could be Riki from the future that is sending these letters to himself since he knows what will happen and what he needs to fix in the past to get the perfect timeline (I'm probably wrong but sounds like that to me), anyway that was good how they handled the situation once again, I'm hyped for the next episodes if they dig more into that mystery/supernatural part |
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| I like these more chill episodes over the serious ones. Rin was pretty awesome here and based on the preview, they might actually play baseball? I didn't think this would happen |
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