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| This is one of those cases in which an anime was enjoyable to watch even though I didn't think it was much above the average. The story was good but it took too long to really start. At first we just saw a lot of villagers dying and rising and the focus kept jumping around. I guess a part of it was an attempt to keep the viewers hooked by leaving a character in a dangerous situation and then focusing on another one for the next episode. The series for the most part looked and sounded good, although I didn't care for the crazy hair either. What annoyed me more was that many characters were prone to cry and when they did, you could quickly fill a pint with the amount of tears they shed. The biggest problem was the characters, most of whom I found unsympathetic: 1) Generic villagers who are just stupid about this all, accepting everything that happens until it's almost too late. I know believing in vampires is a bit of a stretch, but when your recently deceased relative comes knocking at your window at night, asking to be let in, I don't think everyone would welcome them with open arms. 2) Megumi. An angry teenager who hates her village and everyone in it for not being city people. 3) Masao. An angsty teenager who's rude to everyone and whines a lot, alive or dead. 4) Natsuno. Another teenager who doesn't really like anyone, doesn't even want to help villagers that much but just doesn't like shikis. At first he seems like someone who will become important in fighting the vampires, but then he just lets himself be sucked and killed (almost) for no other reason that he doesn't want to kill Tohru because he was once nice. Then suddenly this character is forgotten for a long time and surprisingly of all the people who were killed, this one comes back as the rare type that can walk in the sunlight and eat normal food. Of course the one who sacrifices himself just happens to be the one to become special. Tohru was the one whose "cries an ocean" act was the most annoying since he doesn't do much else after being turned. 5) Kaori/Akira. They weren't annoying but yet another plot thread that was focused on for a few episodes and then completely dropped until it was shown at the end that they survived. It made it feel like their episodes had no real meaning because they were forgotten. 6) Muroi. I see a lot of people had a problem with his choices. I do get what they were trying to do with this character, it just didn't work. They were apparently trying to show humans and vampires as somehow equal and when he saw what the doctor had done to Kyoko, he must have realised humans are no better. We kill animals for food, shikis are no different etc. They also tried to say that vampires have such hunger that they can't help themselves, so they are really blameless whereas human cruelty is arguably much worse. But the fact still is that the shikis go on killing mostly people who were closest to them and despite retaining their original personalities, they are still monsters. It's like after their first kill they have no qualms about killing people they loved, and there's no guarantee everyone will be turned. Ultimately the viewer has hard time understanding why he would sympathise with shikis rather than humans, which is why Muroi's actions seem senseless. I didn't care for the way he was drawn either, looking like a teacher who finds all his students disgusting. All in all the series had many strong points, but I think maybe people overrate the story because it became so intense towards the end. It was admittedly good in the last episodes but went really nowhere for a long time. There were so many threads that were picked up in the early part of the series that the ending inevitably became rushed. I'd say the first half was 5/10, just average, enjoyable to watch but not really being above other vampire stories. The second half was maybe 7/10 because even though I really enjoyed the story, the characters remained pretty much the same and it felt quite rushed. So overall it's 6/10 - a very enjoyable series but because of all its flaws just above average. |
| Quite an unique anime, not like some of the other vampire genre series I've watched before and that glorious soundtrack... 8/10. |
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| Hmm.. pretty sad and insane anime in general (2nd last and last episodes) Ugh Megumi got bad death scene :/ It actually made me feel bad myself for watching something like this... but anyway! Village burned town, but... evil isn't dead yet <3 I actually wanted that Sunako survives, because she understand that she made wrong and she really regretted what she has done. Kindest Shiki imo was Ricchan, she bear her hunger and didn't drink blood from Yasuyo <'3 Last episode really made me cry... I just couldn't handle... 5/5 |
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| I'm glad that Seishin survived. -Sora- said: Maaaa~n I´m kinda disappointed... why couldn´t this little Sunako bitch just die ?! I fucking hate her sooooo~ much DX Yeh I think it woulda been better if Sunako died and Seishin became the only remaining Shiki. |
| As a child, I was told that society is a melting pot of talents; knowledge and experience combined to form important alloys that will contribute to mankind. When I got to highschool, however, I thought that it's more like a river in which the water represents our peers while we ourselves are the stones in the river. Constant erosion by mindless majority sheeping has made us lose our unique edge. After I hit the age of 18, I realized that I've been wrong all along. Society is no melting pot. Society is no river. Society is a person, a very skilled rapist, and he has fucked us all. |
| this was indeed a great anime It is a shame however that hypocritic monk who looked most passive of all and acted like all life is saint didn't die in the end because of what he did and that head shiki survived ... I have heard complains before about ending of this anime and i feared that ending will suck . It didn't . It should have been a bit longer but this was enough . I love style of this series , characters and surroundings. Soundtrack was great too . Also those ''weird'' haircuts were refreshing sight and i loved them . Mayhaps if anime concentrated more on psychological aspect of victims and killers (it did concentrate but not enough , i felt like vilagers were too cold to be real) , in the end they indeed did show some very emotional stuff but it still was not enough . This anime had deph but was not too deep . It touched me , i was a bit scared since i watched most of it after sunset , then when i woke up and continued i felt dizzy and a bit dreamy for too much thoughts and emotions but now as i write this stuff it is slowly vanishing Perhaps the only thing which I hated was philosophy of vilagers . I was a bit angry when i watched them to do nothing but still , as i said , in the end everything worked fine . On the other hand It is also a good thing that anime included feelings of shiki . Sometimes it made me feel sorry for them and even hate hunters but in the end i remembered , that they were real murderers and vilagers were only victims . And also they were already dead . You can't kill a dead person ,right ? :3 I will give this anime 9/10 |
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| It was an good anime, but the ending disappointed me. Natsuno died. </3 I hated Sunako. The guy with the stake just HAD to preach. Do that after staking her, please. I would've at least liked it better if she died in the fire, like I thought she would with the priest. But no. They survived. SUNAKO NEEDS TO DIE ALREADY. Her character was perfect for killing off. And besides, she's been living a long life already. She should've died and the hypocrite priest could've taken over. Megumi died properly! Why not Sunako? Glad the doctor was sane the entire series. He didn't become like the villagers, and only aimed to get rid of the Shiki. Great character. :D This is definitely refreshing for a "vampire" anime, and there was lots of blood. :) |
MirorinJun 1, 2012 9:22 PM
| Hey There~ Wow this anime was pretty awesome! I was really shocked when Natsuno was killed by his best friend...iwas so wondering WHY??? Why did he sacrifice himself? First he was such a fighter and he wanted to leave the village so badly...all because of this guy he called friend? I dont think they were soooo close to each other... But what i really want to know is: Did he saved Akira? I was a surprised when I saw all three together in the hospital...i am bit confused about the timeline...was Akira all the time alone in the cityhospital waiting for his sister and natsuno? Besides Natsuno, Akira, Kaori and the nurse with green hair (forgot her name^^) Toshio was my favorite. He was not like the other people in the village and became blind because of fear, confusion or murderous intent. Until the end he only wanted to rescue his village. Ok...it was hard to see what he did to his wife...but maybe it was because of an urge to help...and he was at this point totally stressed and tired out...thus this are my thoughts ;) So thats all I wanted to know and say ;D To sum up: SHIKI was something different...lots to think about and a huge development regarding some characters! It was really interessting and exciting to see that ;D GREAT |
-Hina-Jun 7, 2012 12:17 PM
| It was a good anime,it had it's moments.Could have been better but it was okay :) |
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| Not bad anime. I`m sure I won`t forget it in the nearest days. But I`m not sure about the mark. It really could have been better. The ending was not bad - village and the whole story dies in a purifying flame - it`s a good image for the ending of this series. But still it lacks something. 8/10. PS: Am I the only who feel pity for Megumi? Her personality isn`t wicked... It would be better if she had survived instead of Sunako... |
| Aaah why didn't that priest Muroi-san just die already. I hate him so much. Such a coward. Sunako should've died too. She killed the most people of all, so why are people rooting for her? She was the mastermind behind all of this. Too bad Megumi died. She didn't have a nice personality, but I feel quite sad about her unrequited love with Natsuno. I don't know if he died. Tatsumi said something like: "We Jinrou won't die that easily" I'm glad that those two kids survived and that red-headed woman. I'm also surprised that Natsuno's dad lived. He went total insane when his son died. Fortunately, the whole village got burned. The humans were getting pretty insane too, killing each other even when they weren't SHIKI. All in all this series was good, could've been better in my opinion, but it is a nice refreshment in the vampire anime series. So it gets a 8/10. |
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| Soooooo much blood XD Nice way to send it off but yeah Sunako and Seishin really should of died if they were planning to end it like that. The Village is now burned to the ground would be interesting to see if they rebuild and them two come back This episode is a 5/5 but for the hole series i'm giving it a 8/10 |
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| Well as I thought I'm a little pissed off right now :l it just seems as everything they did was just pointless...if the monk and Sunako survived then it was all for naught D: *Random thought* I'm totally against child abuse but...I kinda laughed when Mr. Badass threw that hammer at Sunako. |
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xMusicMohawk said: Well as I thought I'm a little pissed off right now :l it just seems as everything they did was just pointless...if the monk and Sunako survived then it was all for naught D: *Random thought* I'm totally against child abuse but...I kinda laughed when Mr. Badass threw that hammer at Sunako. Agreed. But you know it was not child abuse, only her body is of a child but she is a Granny already for a long time. |
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| Absolutely phenomenal anime. I know I'm a bit biased by damn am I glad to see vampires finally done right in anime it was about time! That's what makes this so good though, they took a more classic approach reminiscent of Count Dracula and Nosferatu where the vampire is a cursed thing capable of being pitied, while at the same time being a true monster and enemy of humanity. You know they did it right when you go from hating the vampires, to feeling truly sorry for them. Muroi got on my nerves but I have to say he said something very profound to Sunako in the end. The last two episodes redeemed him somewhat in my eyes, mainly because I couldn't help but feel sorry for Sunako. As for the Doctor, he's the fuckin' man. I'm glad to see a character so completely willing to go balls to the wall and do what's necessary! He did what he had to do, the end. ^^ |
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| Man, what an absolutely amazing series. Every single episode had me drawn in deeply and as soon as it finished I had to watch the next. So damn awesome. I really like almost all of the characters, especially Toshio, so glad he stayed alive and held out until the end, definitely on of my all time favourite characters, and one of my all time favourite anime. |
| Typical end for a vampire anime. Meh. Unfortunately villagers begin also killing innocent people. The priest and sunako both should have died although. Loved Natsuno courage and also the nurse who have refused the undead life. |
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| Just finished. 8/10 It was great but the final few episode feels like they want to force us to feel pity for that the shikis, especially the loli shiki. |
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| I think the ending would have been better had Muroi and Sunako died in the burning house, but whatever. I somewhat expected the "no one wins" ending but this was overall a very good anime. |
| I dropped the anime at first but decided to watch it till the end since I wasn't interested in anything in particular lately. AND MAN! Everything in this anime went up with a bang O.o Villagers going crazy and killing everything in sight, being covered in a whole bunch of blood, it looked like I was watching some mindless butcher movie. I like blood and insane people butchering other people but this was kinda crazy. I enjoyed the anime but I'm kind of disappointed with the end since I had expected some more of Natsuno. Not only vanished his screentime to a minimum, I kind of don't understand how he could kill himself in such a weak manner. He could have gone around killing more Shiki somewhere else or start living the life he wished for but nooooooooo. And also: WHY DIDN'T TOSHIO JUST DIE! I mean he seemed sane but he was the most freaking lunatic of them all! Acting all cool and composed while experimenting with his wife's body and killing off people he knew. Well overall the anime was really interesting and fascinating, although I think the end is missing some conclusion. And there is something I learned: Don't make village people from tiny towns in the middle of nowhere angry. They might start a butcher party with you as the main course ;P |
| One question . How the fuck did the kid managed to escape ? -_- . Anything else than that is clear . Noone won , the village ended up burnt and all the shikis were killed excepting the priest and Sunako . Great anime , great ending . 10/10 |
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| lots of amazing scenes i don't know where to begin?? Sunako running for her life made me scared and cared for her even more. man i would never guess i would be rooting for Tatsumi on this one. never like him in the first place, but i came to like him even more. guess you could survive multiple bullets a long as the circulatory system is intact :D wow so Akira and Kaori are outside of the village?!?!?! im betting the person that saved akira from the father of Motoko(Iwao) is Yuuki. but who the hell did Kaori hit in the last episode?? was it her father??? the fire seems to be spreading out of nowhere. they'll explain it in one of the special episodes :P the way they killed Megumi is brutal. why the hell didn't they just stab her on the hear?? why would they need to roll over her with a crane?? i feel sorry for her :( wow im rooting for Tatsumi on this. fucking idiot Yuuki, hate that douchebag. Sunako wondering why God abandoned her :( seriously Tomio chef guy is getting on my nerves. finally Muroi got his revenge!!!! fucking bastard killed his parents out of nowhere. go to hell with your son. i don't understand the point of bombing themselves in the pitfall?? just so they could get rid of the evidence? since Tatsumi said werewolves don't die on this kind of things, does this mean both him and Yuuki are alive?!?!?! i like Muroi's explanation that Sunako didn't get ignored by God. she wasn't even been looked by God all this time. basically God did nothing to her, and therefore he can't punish those who he doesn't even know off. still hate you Ozaki, what's the point of all these if the village basically died in the end?? the experiment that he did with Kyouko is one of the sickest things i have ever seen. im glad you lost the village Ozaki, hope karma happens to you. so basically they didn't explained how some of the characters died like Masao, the little annoying brat kid with a doll in her hand, etc. but some of the characters like Nao, Motoko, Kanami they showed on the specials go watch that. i freaking love this anime!!! one of the best for sure, it had me edge of my seat every episodes. there's only a few disappointments a had on this series. Ritsuko and Tohru just died just like that?? just because that fat lady nurse told them were they are they didn't tried to escape?? i hated that Yuuki just manage to bit Seishirou and killed Yoshie with a cheap shot. we didn't get to explore Yoshie's origins, now Seishirou will die in the fire alone since he's human. they didn't show what happened to Yuki(the missing nurse) she just disappeared out of nowhere. even Satoko has been looking for her and went to disappear without a trace as well. they didn't show how Chizuru killed her brother Masao(wanted to see that idiot die) so basically Tatsumi and Yuuki are dead or what??? where the hell is Aoi and Tamatsu(tohru's relatives) they just died offscreen or what?? must be Megumi's work. i watch the BD's and they showed a new scene(i didn't see it from the TV series, at least the ones that i glimpse online) at the end. they basically showed a year later and there were still ones that survive and stick to the village. i saw kanami, akira and kaori, Yuuki's father(wtf?!?!) and others. also they didn't showed that the car was driving was Muroi with a luggage(definitely Sunako) im guess Muroi turned into a "Jinrou" and forever cast away by God??? then again God has no jurisdiction on them so they're basically a free man now. this anime is simply amazing. love every episode and i hope they animate some of the scenes from the manga' even if another OVA would be godlike as well!!! definitely a deserving 9/10 hope they make more of this anime!!!!! |
| I almost felt sad for Megumi when she died, but then I realized what she was trying to do to Kaori and stopped showing sympathy. Speaking of Kaori, I'm so glad that she and Akira survived :3. They were my favorite characters. Same with Ozaki. I HATE SEISHIN. My least favorite anime character. Ugh, he's so dumb. Why did he choose that random little girl over his own family and village. Such a stupid excuse for a character with dumb motives. |
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| Priest, I hate you ,dam hypocrite preaching how he was against the killing of human life ugh killed my fav char and definetly an instigator of a bunch of other killings, one example would be giving blood to the wolf so he could perform more malicious acts.Didnt watch whole ep but you better be dead before it ends. |
| Feels like losing all five senses & Maybe not able to have thoughts, Enjoi... |
| I thought Seishin was a really well done character. You can call him a traitor, but it's really about how he felt (perceived or otherwise) let down with his life and was looking for purpose, and he did find that in Sunako. To put in a controversial historical context, Seishin is rather like Benedict Arnold. |
| Usually, I probably would've rambled a little about why Shiki fails as being either scary or insightful but, in this instance, someone else has said pretty much everything for me: http://myanimelist.net/profile/Twelfth/reviews Waste of time, really. If not for Ozaki being the exact opposite of the 'I save vamp girl leader, who's killed countless people, and get my own family killed... because she looks like a little girl' priest (getting his hands dirty in order to save lives), Shiki would be in 1-5/10 territory. Even my 6/10 now seems a little generous. ALL THAT TIME spent on character sub-plotting whilst no-one did ANYTHING to stop the vamps (/obnoxious kid no-one liked, with sis-in-law issues)... only to half-arse those plot threads once the mass-slaughtering started. AND THEN IT TURNED INTO A VAMP SELF-PITY SESSION! A few points of annoyance: -- Ozaki and Natsuno were highlighted as threats. Natsuno, the anti-social school kid, was gone after ASAP. But the doctor with his big-arse brain, who turned out to be the vamps un-doing?... Nah, leave him be until the end. That's smart. Give him all the time in the world to prepare. -- On one occasion, a vampire was shown jumping up to a 2nd floor window; scratching it. On another the same vampire was shown denting metal with a punch. That same vampire was shown crawling away pitifully, powerless to stop the human slaughtering. Superhuman powers except when fighting, huh?... Useful. -- Natsuno's emoing thing took up a large chunk of the series; most of the first half, in fact. And what was his role, come the end?... A few minutes brawling with a BAD werewolf, with no motive other than liking a little girl, before blowing himself up. Real useful, he was. -- THIS SERIES HAD NO MYSTERY! People start dying from bites as weirdos JUST HAPPENED to move into a European-style building, reminscent of the castles dem vampies so love. THERE WAS NEVER ANY ATTEMPT AT HIDING WHAT WAS GOING ON! ...Shit, I still managed to ramble. |
AironicallyHumanAug 26, 2012 6:54 PM
Kitsunahren said: Good ending, things really got out of control, as they often do in wars fought for survival. It was hard for me to tell whom to root for right up through the end. Not sure I entirely understand the priest's perspective, but so it goes. My thoughts exactly. |
| When I was watching this, of COURSE I had many mixed feelings watching the villagers kill the shiki, and the shiki desperately trying to live...but in the end I felt pity for the shiki, but I felt relieved when they were died. I don't think the right way to describe my feeling is "satisfied" but I didn't feel as bothered as I did when the shiki killed the villagers. Of course I usually go on a long rant, but I'll save that for a later time (this is my second time re-watching this series). Now for a few points that bothered me...or speculations I have made: - If what Tatsumi told Natsunao was true, and they might live through that explosion if their body isn't blown into a million bts & pieces...then there is a possiblity the two of them are still alive...not to get anyone's hopes up or anything, but that's just what I SUSPECT. -Dr. Ozaki made an observation that shikis usually rise WITHIN 72 hours or more...and we obviously see that the Junior Munk (sorry, way too many japanese names for me to remember Dx lol) turned into a shiki. Clearly, since he just got up and saved Sunako...HOW THE HECK DID THAT HAPPEN? Am I the only one realizing this?! I'm seriously bothered by how he just rose up, saved her little butt and than just ran off with her? That last bit when he was talking about "God doesn't talk to you...blah blah blah"...was that actually supposed to make sense? After replaying it and processing it into my mind MULTIPLE times, I have concluded that this man has gone crazy, he is a psycho, and the two of them might end up in a psychiatric hospital for all I care. He's probably going to start killing people as well, and getting off that "high munk throne" he had going on the entire series since he killed someone. He was disgusted at the thought of killing people, yet he is okay with people killing other people because they had to in order to survive. He was willing to help both sides, but when it involves killing shiki he refuses. When it involves helping shiki to kill, he cooperates. This man NEVER was sane, I don't know what the heck has been going on in his head, and I understand COMPLETELY that Sunako has helped him to discover the "reason why he killed himself" and...all that crap (no offense, that Cain and Abel crap really got to my head because that is NOT WHAT HAPPENS in the story. Pretty freaking sure both Cain and Abel were human. And they were two brothers. Not one person) They might've added that confusing psychological "twist" to is, but it sure as heck didn't get me to symphathize with what the monk thinks or how he feels. Just brings to back to the point of how messed up this man is, and how his view of justice, peace, and how the people of the world shold coexist is COMPLETELY messed up. In the end, he kills that owner of the liquor store (again, I'm not so good at remembering so many names). Didn't he "not want to be involved with killing people"? Wasn't that the last thing he wanted to do? Then he concluded by himself how BASICALLY it doesn't matter since he's a shiki now, and all that crap. Yeah, well listen, mr. junior former monk sir, you've got to get your head check and those glasses adjusted. Ughh, he just makes me so mad for some freaking reason.. Sigh, sorry for the long rant. |
| I know people hate Seishin, but i annoyed the hell out of my sister when he survived with my "HE'S ALIVE!!!" scream. I don't know why but i like him. He's a very psychological character, and i like that. Sunako was pitiful in the end, and that's really the only reason i am glad she lived in the end. SO glad Megumi finally died...hated that bitch. Not as much as Masao, but still a good chunk. Natsuno was pretty lame in the end. It's badass what he did, but that's all he did...unless he set the fire, which somewhat redeems him, but i would have liked for him to do MORE when it came to stopping the Shiki. All he did was probably save that one kid and stop Tatsumi when it probably didn't matter anymore. He did say he was technically not on the human side, but still. The doctor did more than he did, despite his supposed hate and desire against the Shiki. As for the kids...don't care for them. This was the perfect Anime for me, kept me on the edge of my seat and had me reacting way more than Mawaru Penguindrum, so 10/10. I just want to know why Seishiro killed Yoshie... Didn't make sense to me. |
VyudaliSep 19, 2012 7:48 PM
EarlCiel said: I hate the shiki simply because they didnt even showed internal conflict in killing humans they previously knew, like friends, family, neighbours. Ofc if i was a shiki i would be on shiki side but the thing is at least I would hesitate and suffer before go and bite my best friend or any other person, even if i didnt knew him/her. Masao´s first bite was a kid for god´s sake, they even brought children, so i really cannot understand why there are so many shiki supporters in this thread. People hate Toshio for him killing his wife, well, i think no one had more intense suffering than him, being forced to chose between SAVE the village or let his wife come back as a shiki. Ritsu was the only decent shiki besides Natsuno. Awnsering to your question, Seishin rose that fast because he is a jinrou (shiki werewolf) like Natsuno. It is explained in the manga that Jinrou do not die. They are almost dying when the transformation occurs and the time is variable for each jinrou. Natsuno & Tatsumi are unfortunately really dead. In the manga he and Natsuno while they fall they´re both pierced in the chest and Natsuno dies almost immediately while Tatsumi still remains alive for a while talking about his fascination for Sunako but then dies with the explosion. (kinda creppy that he is talking to an already dead Natsuno). Also Natsuno´s last thought was for his dad, it was kinda sad. Also Seishin in the end of the manga is seen on the city, side by side with Sunako. He felt suffocated with his life on the village and having to carry on the monk duty. He is seen with a lot of muscles and dressed Tatsumi-style, LOOOL. Guess he always wanted to be the loli´s bitch. There are things that are way better explained in the manga like the guy who bit Sunako was a jinrou etc...also Tohru is the first one to see and ally himself with Natsuno after he wakes up which is a thing non-existent in anime. Also, Natsuno´s soft side for Kaori is clear in the manga, as he arrives to save her when she just killed her dad and is having a mental breakdown, she sees Natsuno´s shiki eyes and faints in his arms. Not to mention that in the manga Natsuno´s and Megumi´s clothes are way wayyyyyyyy more awesome XD |
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| I didn't expect this kind of end to those Shiki and I didn't expect the entire village would be burned...In the end both sides lost too much. Incredible anime, notable characters and an awesome turn of events! I loved Shiki! |
SerendibSep 27, 2012 10:35 AM
aft3rlight said: Remember the scene where Natsuno is on the roof with Seishiro? I think Natsuno bit him there and told him to kill Yushie because in the last episode he says "I am waiting for a werewolf to pass" or something and points the gun at Yushie and if you look at his arm he has a bite. So, since Seishiro was a human Natsuno turned him into a puppet. Good observation. I hadn't noticed Seishiro was biten. It most probably was Natsuno, like you said. |
| Poor Megumi, despite her annoying personality and all her faults, her gruesome death really is ahrd to watch. And she made some very compelling points about the village before dying. And she didn't even get to see Natsuno again. All in all a really good series and a hell of a great watch. I thought it was very well paced, slowly at the beginning, introducing all the actors and then picking up steam for the great carnage at the end. And it does a good job of showing the motivations and morality of both sides. My only disappointment was that Sunako got away. I say that because I believe that despite the bloodthirstiness of the villagers, she was wrong. It was her and her family that moved into the village and started this chain of events. And a great injustice does not erase another great injustice. I think the characters of Ritsuko and Natsuno to a point showcase this argument. Both of them accepted that they were dead as humans and would take no steps to continue life as Shiki. Killing sentient, rational and moral beings to quench your hunger is not acceptable. Hence I think the writers should have let Sunako and the monk die in the fire. That would have been perfect closure for an otherwise splendid show. |
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| the series was good up until maybe the last 5 mins of the show, i felt like all the hype was void immediantly when all of a sudden sunako accepts that she needs to die, some animes can pull of an anti-villian rather well, and some can not, and i think it was too late in the show to pull one, considering only moments before her "resolve" she attempted to bite and kill Tomio...not to mention the ending scene with seishen and this box in the passenger seat, leaves one of three possible cliffhangers: she escapes, and starts it all over again, or is infact "resolved" enough to finish out living for another few days before dying of hunger, or she dies in the church and seishin is only driving away and noone can come up with a reason why, as his resolve is simply to be by her side. I still give it an 8/10, but the ending doesnt fit with how much hype was built up over the last 7 eps, there was barely any gore until episode 14-15ish as well |
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| Quite a nice ending lots of happened, everyone died who had to die and it seems the humans are the victorious this time! Good job humans! I was quite surprised how they killed Megumi Shimizu that was quite the overkill! The whole Anime didn't took my attention to much and there where lots of times I've used a 20% faster boost to play the video, even though the whole story and concept is good it could have been made more interesting! Still a great anime 9/10 |
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| Such a climactic ending to a wonderful series! I really enjoyed this title, and while I would’ve liked more of an epilogue than what we got, I don’t think it detracts my love for this series in the slightest. The little epilogue we did get, the town folk getting on the bus, seemed odd at first – I was thinking I’d rather see how Ozaki ended up, the ruins of Sotoba after the fire, or even Muroi and Sunako arriving at some far off destination. But the way I’m interpreting that last scene is that the few people that are on the bus are the only “survivors” of this war. They obviously weren’t killed, nor did they become shiki, but they also weren’t part of the town mob that massacred the shiki or those bitten by them. One of my favorite themes in this series is how twisted human nature can become – to the point of blurring the line between man and monster. I have to believe that everybody in that village will suffer some kind of psychological distress from these events, but more so, I think, for those who took part in the mass killings. Perhaps in keeping with the Christian theme of shiki being forsaken by God, you could also say that the humans have also become sinners because they too have killed. Monsters or not, the shiki were once friends and neighbors. On the bus we see the nurse from the clinic, who was freed by Tohru and Ristuko, she was captive for much of the massacre and we never see her kill anyone. There’s Yuuki’s father who stabbed Tatsumi, but didn’t kill him (I suspect that Yuuki bit his father and ordered him not to let anyone in the house and defend against the Kanemasa residence). Kanami was taking care of her turned-mother during the massacre and did not visibly kill anyone, neither did Akira. Kaori is the only one that breaks the pattern, as we did see her whack her father. My only guess is that it’s because she only killed in the truest sense of self-defense and did not actually take part in the overall mob killings. Anyways, when I think about the epilogue in this way I find it very humbling to think that only this handful of people managed to escape this tragedy with their sense of humanity intact. On the subject of Muroi’s decision, while I don’t necessarily agree with his choice, it does fit in well with his character development. We know that at some point in his life he had cut his wrist – through his talks with Sunako we discover that he was trying to escape himself. He feels trapped in his role as a priest, trapped in Sotoba, and within himself. In his latest story he explains that the two brothers are two parts of a whole. The younger brother is the outer-self, the self that is shown to the world, overly kind, accommodating, and self-sacrificing. But the older brother represents the inner-self, the self that doesn’t fit in with society, decisive, selfish, and frightening. In the end Muroi chooses to “kill” his outer-self in order for his inner-self to surface. It’s a selfish choice, rejecting society for self-satisfaction, but it’s a personal struggle for many of us at some point or another. His speech to Sunako at the end rationalizes his decision. He renounces human laws and thereby kills his outer-self, becoming shiki/jinrou – his inner-self. In becoming shiki he rationalizes that he is no longer tied to human laws or judgment, and thus gains the freedom he’d long sought after. I envision Muroi as a lonely man, not quite sure of himself, and here comes Sunako who sees straight through his guise of contentment. She is a different sort of seductive vampire, but seductive nonetheless. |
| Crazy show. It was good, but not more in my view (getting 8/10 because it was kinda entertaining). The ending was bad...and I'm not only saying that because Sunako should have died and Muroi was stupid and unnerving. It was rushed and barely tied all the loose ends that were there. In general I'd say Shiki had a problem with wanting too much. Yes, it had potential to do something great with the plot and the characters, but there was just too much of everything so stuff barely got covered satisfactorily. Natsuno - he was on screen on-off-on-off; Sunako had one episode where she TRIED redeeming (or justifying?) herself which was just her being a hypocrite in my view - and just when she FINALLY accepted the fact that she needed to let go, STUPID Muroi comes along and ruins everything. This was really really stupid. I felt Shiki had a problem with its focus, I got the impression it was jumping around like crazy and never remained anywhere for too long. And the ending's message was...like...nothing. Oh, yes: be a cute loli and you can kill humans for hundreds of years - you don't have to worry, someone will always bail you out! Happy Murdering! |
SaorinNov 5, 2012 3:09 PM
aft3rlight said: Remember the scene where Natsuno is on the roof with Seishiro? I think Natsuno bit him there and told him to kill Yushie because in the last episode he says "I am waiting for a werewolf to pass" or something and points the gun at Yushie and if you look at his arm he has a bite. So, since Seishiro was a human Natsuno turned him into a puppet. I was puzzled when Seishiro shot Yushie, I figured something must have happened between the time he spoke to Natsuno to that scene, but wasn't exactly sure what. I like this theory, it makes more sense than him randomly going AWOL. I'll have to go back and look for the bite mark! I do wish we got to know more about Seishiro in the anime. Like why, if he wanted to be shiki so bad, didn't he have Sunako turn him? Did she refuse to? Was he waiting to become a certain age? Was he actually afraid of turning (or that he may not turn)? |
BlueLobster said: aft3rlight said: Remember the scene where Natsuno is on the roof with Seishiro? I think Natsuno bit him there and told him to kill Yushie because in the last episode he says "I am waiting for a werewolf to pass" or something and points the gun at Yushie and if you look at his arm he has a bite. So, since Seishiro was a human Natsuno turned him into a puppet. I was puzzled when Seishiro shot Yushie, I figured something must have happened between the time he spoke to Natsuno to that scene, but wasn't exactly sure what. I like this theory, it makes more sense than him randomly going AWOL. I'll have to go back and look for the bite mark! You don't even have to go back "look for the bite mark" (seriously, this was very hard to miss. Where do some people have their eyes?). It was also shown in the last episode that Seishiro has turned into a Shiki, so he wasn't "randomly" deciding to kill off that female Jinrou anyway but was being controlled at that point. Now, I guess we can safely assume that Natsuno is the only Shiki who'd turn against one of his own kind, so it is 90% sure it was him. As to "Seishiro's motivation" - Shiki just didn't have the capacity to cover it, like it didn't with so many other things... |
| So Sunako and Muroi survived... but for how long? To be honest, they should have just stayed in the fire and let it rest. You cant run forever. Anyways, I thought the ending was actually very well done. Both groups fighting for survival, and no one is the winner in the end. Good series, worth the watch for sure. |
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| Megumi...Le sigh at least sunako and muroi survivec |
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| I always knew that the priest was the biggest hypocrite on the face of the earth, killing murderers is not k, but murderers killing innocent people is just fine as long as their leaders a cute little girl. I really hate that pedo hypocrite priest. |
| One of my favorite themes in horror is watching normal people being reduced to abnormal behavior, and Shiki delivered that in spades. One of the most chilling parts for me was watching the townspeople methodically hunt down and stake the Shiki in the irrigation pipeline (I believe it was episode 20.5), all the while singing a song together, and then having a little snack in the middle of the piles of corpses. The Shiki miscalculated the people of Sotoba in a bad way. They were basically pushed into collective insanity by the amount of deaths and their despair, fear, rage, and desire for vengeance spilled over and became a blood frenzy. So often the Vampires in a story like this are either so evil that you love watching them die, or the protagonists (a la True Blood), where you root for them to survive. This had a little of both sides. I was sympathetic to some of the people who turned, but at the same time, they all knew that they were basically getting what was coming to them. I'm actually mad that Sunako got away. First of all, she's not a little girl. I'm not fooled by her Kirsten Dunst in Interview with the Vampire routine. Second, the reason they gave for not just drinking from people but leaving them alive was so weak. "You don't cut a pig sliver by sliver while he's alive." Yeah? Well what about milk or eggs? If that's your excuse for mass murder, don't be surprised if an angry mob shoves a stake in your sternum. As far as I'm concerned, Sunako's whole "oh poor tortured me" routine was an act. She deserved a staking way more than Mutou or Ritsuko or the people at the temple who were collateral damage. Did Muroi's mother deserve to get her head bashed in so he could hide a vampire girl who has been killing people for over 100 years? Fuck. That. Shit. |
neontasterNov 25, 2012 12:07 AM
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| Stupid Monk had to kill off one of the coolest characters in the anime D=. And he gets to be a werewolf too? What a lucky bastard. I also don't get the point of "turning the whole village into the dead". If the whole village is the dead, what are they gonna eat? Other zombies? Seems like a really weird plan to me. If I were them, I would want as few people to turn as possible so there is more food to go around! |
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