do you think we human males will go extinct or humanity overall will go extinct due to science saying the y chromosome is disappearing?
do you think we human males will go extinct or humanity overall will go extinct due to science saying the y chromosome is disappearing?
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Salty-GB said: I don't think you understand chromosomes... the Y chromosome isn't what makes someone male and the Y chromosome won't disappear within any of our lifetimes. It will just be replaced with an X chromosome carrying the same stuff as the Y once did. This also isn't recent news. We've known this for ages. That doesn't sound quite right. Someone with XX chromosomes only one of the X chromosomes is expressed per cell so I don't think you can just have an X chromosome do what a Y chromosome does because then only some cells would do what Y is supposed to do but that's not how it works in males, it has to be a different chromosome I think like the O chromosome. As far as im aware what you describe sounds like it is only possible with species where sex determinism is haplodiploidy. |
traedMay 28, 2023 7:59 PM
| Its obvious very bad pseudo science...you really might benefit to follow biology and chemistry videos of popular science for your own good in term of critical thinking if you did buy that one. |
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EyeAmTheI said: As for the OP: No, we'll not. At least not because of this. Parthenogenesis is the keyword here. In short: Maybe there will be no more men, but women will be able to reproduce without men (basically they will be able to clone themselves trough natural processes). There are already animals out there that can reproduce this by the way. I only recall there being a single insect that does this being born pregnant. Seems highly unlikely to naturally evolve that way with humans. |
| What type of nonsensical theories are these? It's like western stupidity is crawling everywhere online, many believe the concept of family will dissipate since reproduction to expand the population isnt reasonable human goal anymore to them. They think that reproduction is obsolete since there are easier forms of fulfilment and there's enough people to last centuries. To some, the idea of a family with the intent of having children isn't progressive, since the moment a man wishes for a child he'll violate a woman's rights in some way. Even a woman could be berated if she wants children her self, the way things are going Either ways human reproductive failure wont occur. Forget extinction, people are going crazy due to overpopulation. We're simply going to destroy ourselves the way things are going. It's uncertain we'll last for another 1000 years, let alone a million |
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| I don't know, my chromosome is intact and I'm still here. |
EyeAmTheI said: traed said: I only recall there being a single insect that does this being born pregnant. Seems highly unlikely to naturally evolve that way with humans. According to google: "Greenflies, stick insects, aphids, water fleas, scorpions, termites and honey bees are all capable of reproducing without males, using parthenogenesis." I assume there is more. It doesn't mean that they doesn't have any males though, it only means that they can reproduce without them. Although, if I remember correctly that one spieces of insect you mentioned has no males and they are all clones of each other (but I'm not sure about it). Also, I don't think it is likely that humans will evolve this way either. I only mentioned it as a possiblity. As far as I'm aware of there is no animal spicies that went extinct due to lack of males (at least caused by genetical mutation). Hm that seems it may be more likely on surface but apparently even artificially inducing parthenogenesis in mammals usually leads to deformity. I did come across this. Apparently the Y chromosome of neanderthals was bred out because it was more deleterious. https://www.science.org/content/article/how-neanderthals-lost-their-y-chromosome |
EyeAmTheI said: traed said: Hm that seems it may be more likely on surface but apparently even artificially inducing parthenogenesis in mammals usually leads to deformity. I did come across this. Apparently the Y chromosome of neanderthals was bred out because it was more deleterious. https://www.science.org/content/article/how-neanderthals-lost-their-y-chromosome Interesting. Although, if I understood the article correctly it wasn't exactly "bred out" rather it was replaced by the homo-sapiens' Y chromosomes. Yeah might not be quite the right phrasing I used to summarize. There is some unsourced line on Wikipedia im trying to check if it's true that a certain species of fly is XO while some related species are XY and it is thought the Y gene possibly turned into an O gene but Google just ignores what you search for even if you use quotations which is supposed to override it so I cant get proper results ...fucking Google.... |
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Kokoro_135 said: It seems op must have loved world end harem a lot lmao i heard of that anime show but i have not watch it lol |
| Time for women to take the lead, we males are now protected species.. We had a anime like that recently |
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JaniSIr said: Humanity will go extinct long before that. Human will go extinct by 2060 by my calculations |
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| People trying to predict this and that... I don't know anything about the future for certain we might go extinct tomorrow or in a 5 billion years, nobody knows, I just try to live with that knowledge and do what I can today |
| You should post some actual studies and evidence rather than saying "Just trust me, I read a paper and science says males are going extinct". First off, that makes zero reproductive sense as every single species on the planet (except for asexual reproducing ones) have evolved 2 sex organs/chromosomes and not a single other animal species in billions of years has had the "male go extinct". Second, evolution/natural selection requires desirable traits in order for species to evolve. There would have to be some reason that is optimal for the Y chromosome to disappear and our entire species would have to have traits that select for that over time. I have no clue what studies you are referencing but this is not going to happen lol |
| So I guess we're just gonna stay on the same linear track with no new developments between now and "5 million years" into the future? This is more a science of shaping thoughts than anything else. |
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MoesianThracian said: deg said: >believing in media ye i know its the trend today to be against the mainstream news media but believing in alternative media makes you cool even if they are more sources of fake news anyway Fox News being sued made them fire some of their money printing anchors like Tucker Carlson If anything it's the complete opposite, people blindly believe the news now more than ever. How can you even call it a trend? It's definitely a thing, though I guess you are not in a social group where that's popular. |
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| No. Japan just solved all birth rate issues. They successfully made test tube human baby |
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deg said: the y chromosome completely disappearing will happen in 5 million years lol ye thats a lot of time but not a lot of time in the scale of evolution and when you think that the earth is 4 billion years old You shouldn't take anyone serious who makes predictions of thousand of years into the future. Much less millions or billions. This is such an absurd timeframe for a forecast it's not even worth thinking about. Not even as a joke because there is nothing you could compare it to. Recorded human history only goes back ten thousand years, plus/minus several thousand years if you consider the various theories. For example, no one in 1850 would have guessed how life actually is in 2023. And this would had been a timeframe that allows a serious, or non-serious guess. Finally, that the earth is billions of years old, or millions, is all smart sounding bullshit that isn't backed up by proof. Science consists of theories. Some theories have been elevated to dogma in our modern school systems, because they allow us to ignore certain things, and focus on other things. It's ultimately politics and ideology that taught you to believe the billion years lie. Real science has no such dogmas. Either something can be proven or not. And if nothing can be proven, competing theories are allowed to offer the best possible explanation. This is not the case in today's scientific establishment, which operates more like a religion. |
| I remember my Private Dr saying this, only in less time than this... that's all I can remember though. |
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| In how long are you thinking? It's not going to happen any time soon, but maybe in a thousand years it will. It is scientifically possible to have a population of entirely females through cloning by fertilizing between different egg cells. To do so for males would require incubators to give birth. Something like this could happen next century. |
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| Not relevant to any of our lives, by the time it becomes semi relevant people will address it, provided they still exist. |
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| Hell yeah, finally I'll get that sweet double X chromosome |
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| @0207xander Evolution doesnt require anything other than reproduction. You can have "undesirable" traits pass on indefinitely so long as they dont entirely prevent reproduction. @EyeAmTheI Found there is a bird technically with four sex chromosomes. https://www.nature.com/articles/539482a |
| what is this whole thread lmfao i cant tell if you guys are joking or not |
| Yeah, all mammals on Earth would die out in that case. Without the Y chromosome, men cannot be born, only women. By 5 million years, civilization will eventually collapse itself one way or another, and there would be no technology around to clone genes. This is all if OP isn't just bullshitting us. |
traed said: Meusnier said: 10-20 years old articles (amongst which two are behind paywalls) and one preprint (=not published)... "The issue was put to the vote with an exact 50/50 split among the opinion of the audience;" In other words, this (the Y chromosome will disappear in X years) is an educated guess that no one will ever be able to verify anyway. I just grabbed a few random ones quick. Anyway, I was just suggesting the general concept has validity to it not that claim of a certain end result. It is an educated guess half of researchers agree with at best. Which makes it completely irrelevant. |
| @traed And yet over time, it would prevent reproduction which would make it an undesirable adaptation |
| @0207xander A trait can be undesired in one case and desirable in another. |
| @traed and yet our species all collectively will evolve a trait that will cause our extinction? That seems quite desirable! |
| @0207xander It's called evolution and not intelligent design for a reason. There is no plan and things dont always pan out. |
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| with genetic editing this can be prevented, but it will require people to accept the idea of genetic editing. however the second genetic editing becomes normal humanity will probably change forever. which is probably for the better anyways. |
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| @traed I get what you are saying, but I think you are confusing general evolution or physical trait evolution with what this describes. Yeah, there is no particular reason certain traits are selected in species, however what this is saying is that humans as a species are slowly evolving to make reproduction harder/impossible. That literally does not happen in nature since when reproduction becomes incrementally harder, that trait is therefore selected out of the reproduction pool, making it less likely to be passed on. |
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elgatosaika said: well some women got dicks theyre gonna have lots of work to do u know im saying If you're talking about trans women, i'm sorry to inform you, their dicks are not functional, you need certain hormones to be firtile, and when people transition they take hormone blockers |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
| @felori i appreciate ur explanations what about my point that socially constructed masculinity is inherently a category that produces violence? without this category, and without its social, patriarchal imperatives, the world would be a much safer place cuz its not like i disagree with the things ure saying, its just hypothetically (doing a reverse shapiro here), would pressing a button "make men disappear right now" actually have an impact on the world of dramatically reducing violence and suffering? ure right tho, i kinda lost my cool, i do engage in misandry because i have been violated by men one too many times to be fully rational about this and the truth is, abusive mothers is something i know all too well, and i have actually been sexually abused by a cis woman before and look, since i talked about social constructivism here, u even sorta mentioned it as well, women do not really do much violence, because this is not what women are supposed to do, this is not what the social impositions of being a woman are, ure right and just looking at the politics of all of this, more women tend to vote left, and more men tend to vote right, like i wonder why u know lol and ffs no woman in my entire existence ever violently attacked me on the street for being queer - even thinking about this i tend to completely lose my cool and go on a misandrist rant, but truly this is the only thing that caused me to have these feelings, women will stare or quietly laugh amongst themselves, ill just keep going, but there will always be a man that will immediately get violent, and those are the times when i really want to press that fucking button u know, to make them just disappear forever rereading my posts again yeah sounds kinda irrational and a little unhinged but i guess im traumatized an interesting thesis that could be extrapolated from this is that both genders are socially groomed into becoming what they are right now, again there nothing innate about this, in a different reality afabs mightve as well been more physically violent if their social category required that of them |
elgatosaikaJun 5, 2023 12:44 PM
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starflutter said: This is factually correct. It is not grooming to acknowledge what everyone knows, including men themselves - men have a greater propensity towards violence. It is only the causes of said violence (nature vs. nurture) which are debated upon by sociologists, evolutionary psychologists, biologists, etc. Why do you think parents are more uncomfortable leaving their children around male strangers than females? Why do you suppose fathers are so distrustful when their daughters start dating boys? Would you rather be alone in a room of 100 male strangers or 100 female strangers? The truth is uncomfortable, but we all know it. The male sex is responsible for the vast majority of violent crime worldwide I can acknowledge that men are generally more aggressive than women, but personally, i don't think the amount of "violence" in a crime is what defines how serious it is For example, a male murdere might be more likely to opt to shoot his victim, while a female murdere more likely to opt to poison her victim, one is seen as more violent than the other, but whatever means they use, murder is still murder, one is not better than the other, just because female criminals tend to opt for "less violent" methods doesn't mean they can't leave the same amount of lasting damage to their victims On people generally feeling more comfortable arounf female strangers compare to males, i know why that happens, it's a stereotype Personally i wouldn't feel comfortable leaving kids with any strangers, male or female starflutter said: Look at crime statistics based on your own country Also i'm not american :) |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
| I think society will collapse within 50 years. Humans will still be around but not as many as there are now. |
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