Guide to making an actual good battle shonen

Catalano said:
I watched lots of battle shonen but it's either boring or plain idiotic

alshu said:
If they fix all the mentioned problems we would finally get a non-ironically enjoyable battle shounen...sadly it would be a financial flop, since your average battle shounen fan is a masochist conditioned to enjoy those exact flaws OP listed here.

Aruchemist said:
My man is literally describing Naruto.

Theo1899 said:

Naruto has no Latin or Arab attacks. I think OP is describing Magi.

Aruchemist said:

Lol I knew it wasn't exactly Naruto, but most of OP points heavily reminds me of Naruto so why not. This is a troll thread anyway.

Aruchemist said:

Lol I knew it wasn't exactly Naruto, but most of OP points heavily reminds me of Naruto so why not. This is a troll thread anyway.

Frosteek said:
I'll just ignore the fact that you put "make the main girl hot" on there twice.

Catalano said:
I watched lots of battle shonen but it's either boring or plain idiotic, so I conceived a plan that we all agree that makes a battle shonen good, so here are the requirements that one should meet:
- the main characters have to be 3 (1 girl and 2 guys) because one is too boring
- make the main girl hot
- make the girl's backstory so sad you will feel sorry for her, yeah make her a former slave or something, pity brings more viewers
- one of the guys should be small but he'll get cool, tall and handsome after a timeskip
- make one of the guys have long hair because it's cool
- have some villains be hot milfs
- superpowers are limited and few can use them
- the inner energy/ki/chakra/reiatsu etc whatever should be limited
- make one of the supporting characters so cool that he's introduced by the villain
- no love triangles but make a couple out of the main girl and one main dude
- I know I said no love triangles but make one of the important supporting characters fall in love with main girl because having a girl in such demand is sexy
- training arc should be interesting and fun and main characters should meet new pals
- don't name the attacks, the attacks' names should be incantations, either in arab or latin because these languages are cool
- no stupid flashbacks when fighting
- the war arc should actually be a war/invasion type, like some big empire invades a small country or some dude starts a rebellion
- we need a flashback arc explaining the world and the overall conflict but put that in an important part of the story like after a war or something
- add cool elements from all over the world, like some arabian/indian/chinese mythology references, japanese mythology became stale
- have cool chinese characters, I know it's a fantasy but reference them, like invent some country that looks like ancient china
- have some of the mains smoke
- the stakes should be roof high, like the destruction of the known universe type
- have the main guys visit a brothel at least two times
- make the main villain so strong he can destroy the universe
- make one of the main guys so strong he can destroy the known universe
- make the main girl hot
- make the main villain so handsome that no fangirl would hate him, yeah, even reference his D size somehow, use a leaf or something

I think I said enough, is there any anime/manga like that I wonder? What do you wanna add more, do you wanna delete something from the list?

JaniSIr said:
3. Make the plot the main focus, battles are secondary. https://myanimelist.net/anime/6758/Tatakau_Shisho__The_Book_of_Bantorra

Catalano said:
I watched lots of battle shonen but it's either boring or plain idiotic, so I conceived a plan that we all agree that makes a battle shonen good, so here are the requirements that one should meet:
- the main characters have to be 3 (1 girl and 2 guys) because one is too boring
- make the main girl hot

Deathlydash said:
But that's only dragon ball z where the fights are the main focus.

JaniSIr said:
1. Make it a seinen
2. Add well written and mature characters
3. Make the plot the main focus, battles are secondary.

Frosteek said:
It's less about them being actual things that would make a story good, but more things that were in a story that was really good.

Frosteek said:
1. Making it a seinen wouldn't change anything about it aside from it's demographic tag. Seinen isn't a story element.

2. "Well written characters" it pretty much a given that any author tries to do. Mature characters is a bit vague. Do you mean you want them to be adults, want them to act like adults, or want them to be in ordinary adult situations? Aside from Chopper, the cast of One Piece is all adults, but Luffy often seems like a child, even if the other characters don't. Gintoki is an adult, and can act either very adult-like or childish. Ed and Al are children, but tend to make mature decisions. The main characters in Steel Ball Run are adults and more-or-less act like adults for what that means for their story, but their situation is childish in that they're trying to find Jesus's body parts while the president of the United States sends his minions to hunt them down.

3. It's pretty uncommon for fights to be the main focus of a story, even when that story prominently features fights. The biggest appeal of shounen action manga is almost always story and characters. Stuff like Dragon Ball is actually the exception. Ask any fan what their favorite moment from One Piece is, and 4/5 times it won't have anything to do with a fight. In fact, when I think of a story that's primarily about the fights, I think of seinen MMA manga, like All Rounder Meguru. Even in Kenichi: The Mightiest Disciple, a manga with a ton of fights, the main appeal is still the characters. If what you mean is that you would prefer if there weren't any fights, there's stuff like that out there as well. Anyway, shounen action manga where the primary appeal is the fights is like mecha anime where the primary appeal is the robots. Sure they exist, and people not too familiar with them might think that's all there is, but if you take a closer look, you'll see that isn't the case.