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Feb 11, 2021 1:09 PM
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Satoko is a hypocrite and i dont think there could ever be a worse justification for how she became the mastermind. still better than most episodes though
Feb 11, 2021 1:16 PM
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Laplace_kun said:
Dr. Irie said her HS got cured, so if this event triggers her downfall, it's poor storytelling and writing.

He said that her syndrome was gone, that she no longer has the Syndrome. Irie never cured the syndrome from Satoko, it just disappeared.
Which means it probably just went back down to L1.
Feb 11, 2021 1:20 PM
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Can definitely see some parallels to Ange's experiences at St Lucia here and I'd imagine that'll become even more apparent soon. Nevertheless this is pretty interesting though. One of the first times I've genuinely said that since this anime started
Feb 11, 2021 1:24 PM

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jaw201 said:
Laplace_kun said:
Dr. Irie said her HS got cured, so if this event triggers her downfall, it's poor storytelling and writing.

He said that her syndrome was gone, that she no longer has the Syndrome. Irie never cured the syndrome from Satoko, it just disappeared.
Which means it probably just went back down to L1.


I've never really understood the mechanics of HS. I thought since Satoko was with Rika (the queen carrier), she'd be fine anywhere...?
Feb 11, 2021 1:36 PM

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Tsukumo_Yuuma said:
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I still think real culprit is...

That's a big possibility yeah, someone has to lend Satoko the looping powers anyway(and they're the ones constructing these fragments like this), whether it's Hanyuu or some other entity.
Could be Hanyuu tho, making Rika "learn a lesson" like she did to her in Saikoroshi.
Hanyuu was always a bitch.
Even though Gou's already crossed anime-only viewer unfriendliness border (Onigari-no-ryuuou),(Nvm it appeared in Rei, I just forgot, no wonder, it's just a few frames) I still think it's Hanyuu. Sure, it could be her rival from that SN answer to higurashi outbreak arc, but I can imagine Hanyuu being a bitch just like that. Idk what kind of message she's trying to pass, but I hoped it wouldn't be just simply don't leave your duty as shrine maiden, "Don't forget, You're here forever.". I'm speaking in the past because my expectations are low, but who knows, the motive is usually the last thing to be revealed, so it's almost certain most likely to be a red herring.
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oh boy I can feel next episode Satoko will just kill everyone in school
well at least this episode can analyze why Satoko trying hard to stop Rika
Feb 11, 2021 1:59 PM

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This is what Gou should've been from the beginning to be honest.
This episode even manged to create that eerie feeling that Higurashi always excelled at.

ssjokg said:
If I didnt know where this is going, this would be a good ep, but I just cant feel any justification for Satoko's development in this arc.

Yeah, even if she'll get bullied in the upcoming episode, it doesn't justify putting all her friends trough all those murder loops again. Rika and especially Mion, Shion, Rena and Keiichi definitely didn't deserve that.

I totally see why Satoko is blaming Rika (even tho she's at fault for becoming more distant as well) and I feel pretty bad for her, but that doesn't justify killing her over and over (especially the scene where she straight up tortured her, like wtf) again.

I'm also pretty sure my theory from episode 17 is right:
StormxNightmare said:
Ah, I forgot to mention this, but this is my prediction:
It's Satoko and Hanyuu. She left Rika to work with Satoko to get her to stay. It's dumb, but wouldn't suprise me at this point.
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Feb 11, 2021 1:59 PM

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Gar_Logan said:
jaw201 said:

He said that her syndrome was gone, that she no longer has the Syndrome. Irie never cured the syndrome from Satoko, it just disappeared.
Which means it probably just went back down to L1.


I've never really understood the mechanics of HS. I thought since Satoko was with Rika (the queen carrier), she'd be fine anywhere...?
if that was 100% true then nobody in the village would go mad.
Feb 11, 2021 2:00 PM

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rafaelfserafim said:
Tsukumo_Yuuma said:

That's a big possibility yeah, someone has to lend Satoko the looping powers anyway(and they're the ones constructing these fragments like this), whether it's Hanyuu or some other entity.
Could be Hanyuu tho, making Rika "learn a lesson" like she did to her in Saikoroshi.
Hanyuu was always a bitch.
Even though Gou's already crossed anime-only viewer unfriendliness border (Onigari-no-ryuuou),(Nvm it appeared in Rei, I just forgot, no wonder, it's just a few frames) I still think it's Hanyuu. Sure, it could be her rival from that SN answer to higurashi outbreak arc, but I can imagine Hanyuu being a bitch just like that. Idk what kind of message she's trying to pass, but I hoped it wouldn't be just simply don't leave your duty as shrine maiden, "Don't forget, You're here forever.". I'm speaking in the past because my expectations are low, but who knows, the motive is usually the last thing to be revealed, so it's almost certain most likely to be a red herring.


Hanyuu tell Rika about sword Onigari-no-ryuuou, but when Rika went to get him out, sword was gone so is possible that Satoko also found out about him from Hanyuu and took him.



Edit to add @rafaelfserafim's reply :)
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Both Rika and Satoko made a mistake. Both will suffer.
Feb 11, 2021 2:26 PM

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Satako cannot adjust to the high society of the academy. Rika has an advantage because she already has the mind of an adult, and she can be her true self and fit in, whereas Satako only knows the fake little girl version of Rika.
I feel for Satako not being able to fit in but it's not fair to blame Rika; she has tried to reach out to Satako but Satako just shuts her down every time.
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Feb 11, 2021 2:34 PM
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The calendar midway through the episode had both 1987 and 1983 written on it was that just a mistake or ?
Feb 11, 2021 2:36 PM
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StormxNightmare said:
This is what Gou should've been from the beginning to be honest.
This episode even manged to create that eerie feeling that Higurashi always excelled at.

ssjokg said:
If I didnt know where this is going, this would be a good ep, but I just cant feel any justification for Satoko's development in this arc.

Yeah, even if she'll get bullied in the upcoming episode, it doesn't justify putting all her friends trough all those murder loops again. Rika and especially Mion, Shion, Rena and Keiichi definitely didn't deserve that.

I totally see why Satoko is blaming Rika (even tho she's at fault for becoming more distant as well) and I feel pretty bad for her, but that doesn't justify killing her over and over (especially the scene where she straight up tortured her, like wtf) again.

I'm also pretty sure my theory from episode 17 is right:
StormxNightmare said:
Ah, I forgot to mention this, but this is my prediction:
It's Satoko and Hanyuu. She left Rika to work with Satoko to get her to stay. It's dumb, but wouldn't suprise me at this point.

Ryu07 has done some very dark bullying. In fact, I think he made an entire visual novel about high schoolers being bullied. And it's probably one of his most graphic/dark works.
Feb 11, 2021 2:48 PM

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ssjokg said:
Gar_Logan said:


I've never really understood the mechanics of HS. I thought since Satoko was with Rika (the queen carrier), she'd be fine anywhere...?
if that was 100% true then nobody in the village would go mad.


I could be wrong, since I watched it long time ago...

This is a disease which appears only on Hinamizawa and possibly all residents suffer from syndom.
There is 1 - 5 levels of HS, most of residents can have HS on level 1 or level 2.
Some stress or anxiety or if their leave Hinamizawa can develop the disease into next levels.

Some people get injections to keep their disease from developing ex. Satoko.
Dr Irie said that Satoko's HS disappeared, that's why they were suprised, because most of residents just live with that disease.

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LittleStar said:
ssjokg said:
if that was 100% true then nobody in the village would go mad.


I could be wrong, since I watched it long time ago...

This is a disease which appears only on Hinamizawa and possibly all residents suffer from syndom.
There is 1 - 5 levels of HS, most of residents can have HS on level 1 or level 2.
Some stress or anxiety or if their leave Hinamizawa can develop the disease into next levels.

Some people get injections to keep their disease from developing ex. Satoko.
Dr Irie said that Satoko's HS disappeared, that's why they were suprised, because most of residents just live with that disease.

Takano thought Rika is responsible for this disease, because of her connection to Oyashiro-sama.


What I meant is that Rika being around doesn't stop the villagers ftom going from low levels to terminal. They will reach LV5 even without an injection if someone starts messing with them.

On the other hand, being away from Rika does not mean one will develop symptoms. Rena's father was fine for example.

So it is true that her presence has an effect on them but it isn't an important factor.

As for whay Irie said I am sure it is just bad subs unless if he was lying, which again I see no reason for that.
Feb 11, 2021 2:56 PM

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I bet Satoko is gonna snap next episode.
Feb 11, 2021 3:09 PM

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Watching this episode, I couldn't help but remember what the Fox says in The Little Prince: "You become responsible, forever, for what you have tamed".

I wish we had a VN version of Gou, from what I see a lot of situation descriptions and thoughts the characters could be having, that would be explicitly stated in written form but are instead being shown in subtle ways, are just being glossed over by some.

Then again there's the manga, where the more introspective parts such as a person's state of mind are more clearly shown. Looking forward to the panel where Rika offers to help with studies.
Feb 11, 2021 3:30 PM
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Solid enough episode today. Wasn't a masterpiece but at least it wasn't appalling like some other episodes in gou.

I really really loved the insert song usage but I'm a bit disappointed they didn't play the visuals for ED. I really liked Rika this episode and it was really interesting seeing st. Lucia



Feb 11, 2021 3:40 PM

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jTiKey said:
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Wouldnt say that necessarily, satoko probably could study better with rika and her friends around her motivating her and helping her, in the class she can't really rely on Rika so I can see how she doesnt stay motivated.


She offered help, and Satoko is being a bitch. No one can help you if you don't accept it.


Satoko wanted that help, she just can't be honest and Rika know it. Satoko always do that when there's something wrong, but this time Rika didn't even went to talk with her in private, because she's busy with her new life.
Feb 11, 2021 3:53 PM

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I've been reading Umineko these days and I think I know where all this will end up.
Feb 11, 2021 4:14 PM
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Rika and sakoto though being classmates are starting to be separated at each other. As Rika is great at study while Makoto is struggling at study thus she is not enjoying her stay there
Feb 11, 2021 4:32 PM

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So Higurashi in a High School Setting, huh?

Never liked Satoko so much but after this episode... poor Satoko... that "school" is truly nothing for her.

I'm very excited about next week. Interesting how Higurashi without hilarious Gore is still very very good.

Amazing episode and amazing Soundtrack as always. 5/5


Feb 11, 2021 4:40 PM

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Well this isn't a good reason for Satoko to -- Oh, wait, we're still in the middle of the story people, calm down.

I wish there was a little more empathy for Satoko from some. It seems like this school, and breaking one's soul to study in general, just isn't her thing. She obviously only went along with it to be with Rika and not get left behind. She wanted Rika to be happy.

Satoko refused going with the girls who invited Rika and not her for any number of reasons: being exhausted after the first day of school, the fact they only invited Rika and not her in the first place, and of course her stated reason that it just wasn't her thing. It was fine to refuse. She hopes Rika will realize it isn't that great but also doesn't try to stop her friend from hanging out with others.

Then refusing Rika's academic help? First off, of course asking "so do you need special help?" in front of a good portion of the class is going to be very embarrassing for a high school girl, maybe for anyone. Rika is so comfortable it seems she didn't even think of that. Of course Satoko refused. Her reaction was somewhat OTT, but back at home Keiichi and the rest would have been like oh, yep, that's Satoko. But the new characters don't know her and found it abrasive, separating Satoko from them and Rika by extension. Is it Satoko's fault, Rika's fault, or their fault? I think no one's, it's just the given dynamics.

Satoko probably would be happier to just drop out, but it's hard to jump off the train once you've gotten on it. Also she wants to be with Rika, that being the only reason she decided to go to the school in the first place. The ending scene? Satoko's just been through a harrowing day of constant school work, expecting more and more days like that to come, then sees Rika happy and having fun without her. Of course she'll be frustrated and sad.

I hope Rika and Satoko kiss and make up, but we know some of what's coming, heh.
Feb 11, 2021 4:49 PM

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Sorry Satoko but you need to get bullied HARDCORE for a year straight by those girls to justify your actions towards Rika later on. If they start hitting her, it might make Satoko have flashbacks to her uncle beating her. Maybe Rika sees she's being bullied, but doesn't intervene. I know those girls weren't bullying her this episode, but Rika sure didn't try to defend Satoko. She didn't even have to get mad at them, just a "haha Satoko's my best friend nano desuuu" would've been fine. Here's hoping Higurashi Gou lives up to its name and this is all a trick to make us think Satoko is the big bad guy. Of course there's higher powers at work here. I have a bad feeling at least one character is going to come out of this show being ruined or hated depending on if they can properly justify their actions. Things are pointing to Hanyuu and Satako at the moment.

People who've actually enjoyed the show up to now really value different things from Higurashi compared to me. Seeing some people say this is actually a better introduction for newcomers because the mystery is explained faster is baffling. This is like Higurashi: Cred fag edition. Want to get into Higurashi, but don't want to waste time watching an old 50 episode anime series that no one is talking about? Don't worry, we've made Higurashi Gou just for you. It skips all the arcs and just gets straight to answers in only 2 episodes kids! Anyway as usual i'm always hoping to get proven wrong and this show turns out to be amazing. Sitting at a 2/10 right now, just seeing Rika in that Uniform makes it hard for me to drop it to a 1. Wish i could make my video now, but it'll have to wait as usual. Had to get this out now haha.
Feb 11, 2021 4:50 PM

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I think I've read this somewhere so it's not mine but I'll still say it. Satoko from Matsuribayashi-hen never learned how to properly ask for help even when she is in dire need of it. It was Minagoroshi-hen that allowed helped Satoko understand that when help is needed, you should ask for it. Satoko still has the trauma with her nii-nii and trying to be strong, while not apparent it's still there. Rika knowing how Satoko's character is should've understood better that her friend was in need of help. Just offering help won't do anythint for her since she won't accept it and Rika knows that.

As for Rika distancing herself from Satoko is not entirely her fault, such things happen in life, (and in no way can redeem Satoko, if she's the mastermind). But she's at fault for failing to notice that her so called best friend was at such a state. Instead she preferred to spend time with her new friends who badmouthed Satoko. I honestly don't like with how Rika grew up to become.
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Gar_Logan said:
jaw201 said:

He said that her syndrome was gone, that she no longer has the Syndrome. Irie never cured the syndrome from Satoko, it just disappeared.
Which means it probably just went back down to L1.


I've never really understood the mechanics of HS. I thought since Satoko was with Rika (the queen carrier), she'd be fine anywhere...?
HS is a physical condition, it isn't affected by Rika at all. It only gets worse if you leave the village or have trust issues with others around you. The idea that killing Rika would trigger it to progress, etc. were all theories proven wrong.
Feb 11, 2021 5:01 PM
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Lol why are people trying to remove Satoko's agency by putting all the blame on Rika??? I mean is not like Satoko is a baby that needs everything handed to her to function properly, but apparently she wants to be one otherwise she wouldn't say stupid shit like what she told her teacher, jfc.

Honestly this episode just left me thinking "wow so Satoko really is a shitty person". Rika tried to help Satoko, to include her in her new life and help her study (like she did back those years they grinded for the exam), but here is what A LOT of people are overlooking: You CANNOT help someone who refuses to help themselves.

Satoko is acting like a complete brat, starting with thinking she is above this school (and yes, the school is trash, but whatever. You are some nobody who grinded hardcore to get in there, make something out of your time). She needs to fix her attitude, and she kinda tried when she went to those extra lessons for students who struggle, but is more like she is using every single minor thing that is happening in there to justify herself being a victim. Is annoying.

Is not even that she is not capable of keeping up, I like to think she can If she actually Tried. But she is being Extremely Lazy. She lagged behind and now is having issues trying to keep up (oh dear, who would have known...). And then gets whiny and blames it on everyone else.

"B-but she didnt wanna go thereee!! rika made herrr!!!" Yeah, okay. But she still made a choice on her own. She could have choosen to not go to the school If she didn't want to, but apparently being in touch with Rika was that important to her. And yet, that suddenly doesn't matter because she doesn't put the work, she doesn't have the discipline. Is honestly laughable. Like when Rika saw Akasaka and next thing we knew he was setting the two of them on fire kind of laughable.

If Satoko can't be bothered to be a decent person and put the work needed/grow tf up, then clearly Rika is nothing but an emotional clutch for her. Otherwise I can't explain how she didn't give a crap about studying until the obvious was pointed out to her.

TL;DR: Satoko is an asshole.
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i really liked this episode, it looks like its definitely building up to Satako doing something. i enjoyed the song they put in this episode showing the years of rika and satako studying, i wonder what will happen next

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Hero_Luka said:
Wouldnt say that necessarily, satoko probably could study better with rika and her friends around her motivating her and helping her, in the class she can't really rely on Rika so I can see how she doesnt stay motivated.

Also to everyone blaming Satoko, she didnt wanna study in the first place but she clings to Rika and therefore went with her. Then she found out how they're not in the same dorms, how she hates everyone in the school for being snobbish, how she cant talk to Rika in class and then Rika finding new friends. All that drains her Motivation, makes her feel miserable and she tries to hide it from Rika and her class because of her pride, which is the only thing I would blame Satoko on, the rest is pretty understandable. Life at a school where the subjects dont interest you one bit without anyone to talk to is very harsh and especially so for that school. I wouldn't blame Rika too much either but she could have simply said no to her friends for one day and instead tried to talk with Satoko in private.


I wouldn't blame her if all she did was yell at Rika, slap her or even punch her but Satoko will not only cause situations where Rika will die horribly, she will even go as far as kill her with her own hands in the most gruesome way possible up close and personal. Even with some extreme bullying porn, I don't think anything will completely justify Satoko disemboweling Rika for 12 minutes straight.

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Rika is just at fault as Satoko, because she should know that Satoko has a problem with asking for help.


Rika usually "lived" for short periods before dying and looping back. After finally getting the supposed good ending, she's lived for 3 (4?) years now without anything bad happening to her or Satoko.

The worst things to happen to Satoko in this peaceful period were
a) K1 and Rena ruining the club and
b) Having to study for entry exams.
In both cases, Satoko had no problem voicing her discontent.

I feel Satoko is more at fault than Rika.
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Okey, so, I admit I was quite surprised that Satoko actually did get in, however right after it was obvious that things aren't going to be so smooth for her. First thoughts being, that even if she got in, she won't be staying.

Also sad to see what Rika has become. I understand that looping 100 years in the village has made her bored with it, but I really can't see anywhere the 100 years in her actions.
And why does she need to study that much? Didn't the 100 years teach her anything? If you ask me she should be quite intelligent and wise in human terms.

Which made me thinking, why Rika wanted to go to St. Lucia High-School? And what I mean is, why High-School specifically. If she wanted to go there for <100 years, why not straight to the Middle-School section?

Also, wtf happened to Mion?
Some people were bringing up how at the end of Matsuribayashi VN it was mentioned how she wanted to go study to Tokyo. But now she's in Okinomiya?
Are you telling me Mion failed? lol

Tsukumo_Yuuma said:
Yes this's the fragment from OG Higu, Matsuribayashi.
But what do you mean by "Rika turns into Bernkastel", Rika doesn't turn into Bern they're not the same lol (as far as i know from Higurashi, i didn't finish Umineko yet)
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Sorry about this misconception. I haven't read or watched Umineko, so all my knowledge about Bernkastel is from internet forums. I really want to read/watch Umineko, but i hear that the anime isn't the best and I don't have a lot of free time to spend reading the whole visual novel. I hope that after Gou we will get a proper Umineko anime adaptation, but i don't think this will happen.
In Higurashi terms, yes. Rika is Bernkastel.. but they're not exactly the same.
Putting it simple, it's a bit like Multiple Personality, but they are more or less present at the same time. Rika is Rika, who lived from the age of 0 to... the current age, 15?
Bern is Rika who was 'born' from the years of looping. Within the anime, whenever Rika speaks in deeper tone, its like "Bernkastel mode".
That's why in Matsuribayashi was it, at the beginning when Rika didn't remember anything, she was able to be just Rika, but when she retained "Bernkastel's" memories, she immediately changed.

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Satoko is being a hypocrite. (Also so strange to me how Satoko uses keigo in her usual speaking style, but bristles at "gokigenyou")
It is funny how well she fits in by that part, but what comes to Gokigenyou, it's a bit different.
I don't know if it was ever explained why Satoko uses Keigo in her daily speech, but all in all, she is pretty much a country bumpkin, and Gokigenyou is specifically tied to these Christian all girl's schools. Don't know why she bristles at it, but regardless of her Keigo, it's probably just weird for her.

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Higurashi is a story about communication, and Gou certainly hasn't changed that part of Higurashi.

Usually your posts are not worth addressing, but Hilarious post from the user who called the Rika's torture porn arc the best arc of Higurashi ever lmao.
Sorry about the ping for this, but LMAO xD

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Rika and sakoto though being classmates are starting to be separated at each other. As Rika is great at study while Makoto is struggling at study thus she is not enjoying her stay there
Man, are you doing this on purpose? ._.

Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids.
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Satoko is freaking out, she's living Rika's dream which is a nightmare for her because she doesn't like studying nor does she like high society. The reason she's there, she has no time for. With the way, the screen was getting all fuzzy, and we hear the cicadas again. I feel that Satoko is about to go crazy once more.
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LittleStar said:
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People keep saying "that doesn't justify what she did in Gou" while the arc is still ongoing, have some patience people.
For all why know maybe Satoko will end up not being the culprit and R07 is trolling with some of the clues from Wata/Tatari and that last scene in Nekodamashi (oh Rika this's just a water gun i got as a trap ohohoho) and Satoko ends up being a looper but she's not evil lol.


I still think real culprit is...


yeah i think the same, this must be hanyuu doings and there'll be some bloody shit happened in st.lucia which may killed both satoko n rika
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This episode is more of what Gou should have been.

I doubt both of them will be killed. It's more likely that Satoko will kill Rika. Thus starting off Gou.

Satoko doesn't voice her feelings of course but I doubt anyone would ask for help Infront of an whole class. It's true that she hasn't learned to ask for help, but Rika the 100 year old who has already experienced it through many worlds should know what's going on in her mind.

All of the stuff about Satoko being unladylike and such are gonna come back hard.

She might get bullied *abused* to the same extent that Takano was when she was in the orphanage. Thus the justification.

We haven't got to anything serious yet but I'm not sure whether what happens to her is her or Rika's Fault.

On one hand it's wrong of Satoko to blame Rika for her problems, but then Again Rika should already be aware that Satoko has issues.

Maybe with Time Rika will also Start bullying Satoko? Or maybe will indirectly help them.

Regarding Hanyuu,
Both she and Rika had given up. So she stopped tried fighting against fate. Makes no sense to directly pocess Rika in Kizuna MIO and take a bullet for Takano. If she just wanted to stay with her forever.

Besides her Kakera jumping powers were wearing out. She could only take Rika a few weeks before Watanagishi by the time of Matsubiriyashi. Wasn't Dice Killing Hanyuu teaching Rika to be herself in her world. Instead of just becoming complacent.

Yukiwatshi will be completely invalidated, Hanyuu has multiple other Rikas to screw around with. The entire point of that arc was to bring a Rika who was giving up to the world of Matsubiriyashi to show her how she would be rewarded for defeating fate.

Hanyuu has to be involved somehow. She's the only character except Tamura who is able to take Rika from One Kakera to another. it kinda makes MIO look like a joke though. The Kizuna version specially. I mean, why would Hanyuu take changing fate nto her own hands if she wanted to keep things going on forever?
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They really should have started with this, it's way more interesting.

Personally I think Satoko is the one getting all worked up and now trying to blame it on Rika. Rika is not at fault, it's what she's wanted, she endured endless torture all for this moment. She tried to reach out but Satoko rejected her each time, I don't think Satoko should be blaming Rika at all, how hard does she expect Rika to try. They're not young kids anymore.

I'm curious to see how this will play out and how Satoko will turn into what we saw a couple episodes ago.
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The people saying that they should have started with this are missing the point entirely. Higurashi doesn't starts with Answer Arcs 😅😅

Also while what Satoko apparently did is by no means completely excusable, some people are being too harsh on her.

A big reason why Satoko acts the way she does is due to her fear of burdening others. She clung to Satoshi and antagonized her aunt until Satoshi killed her, but from her perspective, her aunt was killed by a drug addict and her brother literally ran away from her on her birthday because she couldn't stop burdening him. Especially for a child, that kind of thing is devastating and it would make give her serious self-worth issues. Her big deal in Tatarigoroshi and Minagoroshi was that she didn't want to ask for help because she thought that by silently taking the abuse she wouldn't burden anyone else again.

The feeling of being a burden causes people to change their behavior in many ways. They bottle their feelings up and attempt to deal with most or all of their issues by themselves so they don't involve anyone else in them. They may even push people away rather than allow them to get close and potentially burden them more. Satoko exhibits all of these behaviors and believes that she should generally avoid anything that would affect Rika's enjoyment of her current life, even if she doesn't like it.

I don't blame Rika fully as well, she is in a complicated situation because she is in love with her new life and while I'm sure she loves Satoko as well and would love for Satoko to share her current interests but I can understand why she would prioritize the new things in her life over her old friend right now.

I'm also sure this isn't the end of the suffering for Satoko. St Lucia is a hellhole and we will see more of that next week
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Honestly, the conflict between Satoko and Rika seems forced, Gou goes its way to over-punctuate/exaggerate some characters' flaws in order to have them at odds with each other. It kind of makes it almost as if their friendship was superficial.

First of all, Rika has known Satoko for over a hundred years, she should have realised that, even if her wish is to attend a prestigious school, her friend wouldn't be comfortable with such a life. Bring a mischievous, energetic girl to a stuffy, strict place would do her no good. Second, yeah, she offered her help to study but it felt pretty backhanded, again, she must be aware of Satoko's flaws, ei; she's proud, won't ask for help (as some others have said, this is not the follow-up of Minagoroshi, but Matsuribarashi) and had she really wanted to lend a hand, she would have done it when the two of them were alone together. Third, she adapted rather well to the mannerisms of St Lucia Students, politely declining their invitations some days to spend time with her supposed best friend wouldn't have hurt her new relationships.

As for Satoko, telling Rika, who isn't just her best friend but also the closest thing to a family she currently has, about her sincere doubts regarding enrolling to the academy shouldn't have been a problem. Agreeing while expecting for Rika to change her mind, waiting for her to give up, was condescending of her friend's dream. Likewise, there was no real effort from her part to keep up with her studies when they finally accepted in the academy, obviously slacking-off during class, nor she tried to adapt in the new enviroment, or make some new friends or treat her teacher with respect. Personally, her attitude was as if she was playing hard to get, not only to Rika but everyone else as well, and then blaming it on the rest when she was alone with no one to turn for aid or companionship. As much as the situation is Rika's fault, she shares the responsibility for alienating the world against her and then wonder why she is suffering. She reminds me of Saikoroshi!Satoko, somehow.

I don't know... In past adaptations, DEEN's anime, the VN+manga, their friendship felt more genuine. Here it's shown as something built on routine, co-dependency and a shallow sense of sympathy (not empathy). It's quite saddening, in a way.
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you know how up until now there were killing, murders etc? well, this episode was the true horror... studying.
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So there's a lot of finger-pointing and blaming of either Satoko or Rika. A lot of people defending Satoko's behaviour are blaming Rika because "she should have known and reached out more" and excusing Satoko because "she has problems communicating and has problems asking for help".

But that's missing the point entirely.

I think no one is really saying that Satoko shouldn't feel sad, but that Satoko shouldn't be pinning all the blame on Rika when it's her actions that lead her there. I mean, I have had a handful of falling outs with friends and some of them have included lack of communication from my part, but I never blame them for that. I've felt sad because the friendship is ending, but I have never gone on a stalking spree and raging internally at them because "they've abandoned me".

I understand that Satoko told Rika to go along with the stiff girls to debate club. You don't want to be the reason why your friend misses out on something they want to do, and you don't want to participate in an activity you don't like either. That's completely fine. But then don't go blaming it all on the friend when you could have perfectly accepted the invitation and gone with her. Or talked to your friend later and asked her to hang out on other free evenings.

The problem here is that Satoko seems to be having some feelings for Rika, or at least a very strong platonic/friendlike love, and they're showing in a very unhealthy way. She isn't able to stand her ground and tell Rika to go alone because she's afraid to not be with Rika, as she said herself while looking for her results. The fact that being with Rika is her endgoal is reinforced by the fact that she gives absolutely zero fucks about studying and only does so when faced with the prospect of being separated from Rika. She also stalks Rika while she's hanging with her new friends and seems extremely jealous of them, like when she focuses on Rika's new friends right before rejecting her offer to study together. To be honest, this reminds me a lot of Homura's love for Madoka, which has been distorted into possessiveness and obsession.

Bottom line is: I understand Satoko had problems asking for help, but she should own up to that and not blame Rika for all her problems. Especially when Rika has nothing to do with things like Satoko falling asleep in class, doodling instead of taking notes and not wanting to study.

And before someone tells me that we don't know what made Satoko decide to start looping and kill Rika over again, I'm not even talking about that. I'm talking about the fact that, by the end of this episode, she's already resenting Rika for having a life. Even if something else happens to turn Satoko against Rika (which it probably will), she's already acting like a bitch by blaming Rika for her own lack of communication.

Having said that, I don't like the direction they're taking Rika these past episodes. Seeing her fit right in with all these elitist assholes doesn't rub well with me. And while I think Rika did try to reach out to Satoko, she didn't have to say in front of the whole class that Satoko was having trouble with her studies. You're a hundred years old, you should know that will make Satoko (actually anyone) feel like a turd in front of everyone else. Also, I agree that Rika seemed more focused in Satoko's rejection than in what bitch face #1 was saying at that moment. But maybe Satoko wouldn't have rejected her if Rika didn't pull such an unintentional dick move and embarrass her in front of everyone. I hope we see Rika trying to make amends next episode, trying to talk to Satoko one on one or something. But judging by the first 13 episodes of Gou, where she did almost nothing considering that she already "knew" who the killer was, and by the fact that they ended up looping again, I doubt it.

But still, Rika gets a little more sympathy from me than Satoko because I can't feel much sympathy for someone who gets mad when she is told she needs to study at a fucking school.

fancyjasper said:
People who've actually enjoyed the show up to now really value different things from Higurashi compared to me. Seeing some people say this is actually a better introduction for newcomers because the mystery is explained faster is baffling. This is like Higurashi: Cred fag edition. Want to get into Higurashi, but don't want to waste time watching an old 50 episode anime series that no one is talking about? Don't worry, we've made Higurashi Gou just for you. It skips all the arcs and just gets straight to answers in only 2 episodes kids! Anyway as usual i'm always hoping to get proven wrong and this show turns out to be amazing. Sitting at a 2/10 right now, just seeing Rika in that Uniform makes it hard for me to drop it to a 1. Wish i could make my video now, but it'll have to wait as usual. Had to get this out now haha.


This is so true. Not only is the OG mystery stripped away, but the new mystery is really obvious for anyone who's not a newcomer. The fact that there were so many red flags about Satoko while no one else was really set up to be the culprit, making her the only viable villain without considering previous material, since this is supposed to stand on its own, and how badly her reveal was handled in an otherwise good episode, is really sad. There are many other gripes I have with Gou, but as they concern the story, I'm willing to give them a pass until the last episode where I can see if they keep their themes and characters. But the execution so far has been mediocre. There have been good things, but until eps 14 and 17 there hasn't been that atmosphere that kept me hooked while watching OG.

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Also sad to see what Rika has become. I understand that looping 100 years in the village has made her bored with it, but I really can't see anywhere the 100 years in her actions.
And why does she need to study that much? Didn't the 100 years teach her anything? If you ask me she should be quite intelligent and wise in human terms.

Which made me thinking, why Rika wanted to go to St. Lucia High-School? And what I mean is, why High-School specifically. If she wanted to go there for <100 years, why not straight to the Middle-School section?


Well, she could be wise after a 100 years of life, but that doesn't mean she will have factual knowledge, which is the type that is usually measured in that type of exam. She knows full well about fate (see her debate speech, lol) and by Matsuribayashi knew about friendship, the value of not giving up and many other things that made her wise beyond her years. But that doesn't mean she knows the chemical number for Magnesium or how to calculate the speed of a falling object in the void. I do agree that starting to study three years prior seems excessive, though.

I also wondered about why Rika wouldn't go straight to middle school. Best guess after seeing today's episode is that Irie couldn't afford paying double tuition for so long haha.

Chargecoulomb said:
She might get bullied *abused* to the same extent that Takano was when she was in the orphanage. Thus the justification.


Considering that Takano's orphanage straight up killed two students, beat the shit out of another while she was laying down in a shower and seemingly made Takano lick a toilet clean (the VN is really unclear, but that's what I imagine happened), I doubt that any bullying Satoko will go through in an elitist, high class school will even compare to that.

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The people saying that they should have started with this are missing the point entirely. Higurashi doesn't starts with Answer Arcs 😅😅


Hah, agree. While I think that so far the post-Matsuribayashi future has been better handled, starting the series with this would give away everything.

Maybe a compromise would be starting with Rika post-Matsuri studying hard to get to St. Lucia, getting in, seeing her happy in her new life... and suddenly she's dead and back looping. But I don't know how they would have managed that without making her seem even more of a bitch when the Satoko reveal comes in.
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Honestly, the conflict between Satoko and Rika seems forced, Gou goes its way to over-punctuate/exaggerate some characters' flaws in order to have them at odds with each other. It kind of makes it almost as if their friendship was superficial.

First of all, Rika has known Satoko for over a hundred years, she should have realised that, even if her wish is to attend a prestigious school, her friend wouldn't be comfortable with such a life. Bring a mischievous, energetic girl to a stuffy, strict place would do her no good. Second, yeah, she offered her help to study but it felt pretty backhanded, again, she must be aware of Satoko's flaws, ei; she's proud, won't ask for help (as some others have said, this is not the follow-up of Minagoroshi, but Matsuribarashi) and had she really wanted to lend a hand, she would have done it when the two of them were alone together. Third, she adapted rather well to the mannerisms of St Lucia Students, politely declining their invitations some days to spend time with her supposed best friend wouldn't have hurt her new relationships.

As for Satoko, telling Rika, who isn't just her best friend but also the closest thing to a family she currently has, about her sincere doubts regarding enrolling to the academy shouldn't have been a problem. Agreeing while expecting for Rika to change her mind, waiting for her to give up, was condescending of her friend's dream. Likewise, there was no real effort from her part to keep up with her studies when they finally accepted in the academy, obviously slacking-off during class, nor she tried to adapt in the new enviroment, or make some new friends or treat her teacher with respect. Personally, her attitude was as if she was playing hard to get, not only to Rika but everyone else as well, and then blaming it on the rest when she was alone with no one to turn for aid or companionship. As much as the situation is Rika's fault, she shares the responsibility for alienating the world against her and then wonder why she is suffering. She reminds me of Saikoroshi!Satoko, somehow.

I don't know... In past adaptations, DEEN's anime, the VN+manga, their friendship felt more genuine. Here it's shown as something built on routine, co-dependency and a shallow sense of sympathy (not empathy). It's quite saddening, in a way.


THIS. I just wrote a whole essay but I think you said it spot on. Rika ought to have handled it better, but Satoko shouldn't be blaming Rika when it was her who decided to go to the school and then decided to alienate herself both from Rika and from everyone else at school.
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Thing is, if Satoko retains all her memories and keep making sure Rika die on every loop then she's beyond redemption. Her actions is not based on crazyness anymore but some even deeper hatred and psycopathy.
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MightyM17 said:
The people saying that they should have started with this are missing the point entirely. Higurashi doesn't starts with Answer Arcs 😅😅



It's nothing like that. It's just that this is more of the quality that Gou should have been from the beginning. A slow tension horror. It's building up to something and we know it.

This episode captures feeling of the original more than most of the others.
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Thing is, if Satoko retains all her memories and keep making sure Rika die on every loop then she's beyond redemption. Her hatred is not based on crazyness anymore but something even deeper.


Not_a_sticker put it best. Something does feel artificial here. Gou butchers the character personalities from the VN, Manga and the even the original anime.

There was also the discussion about her proxy killing Satoshi. So I'm not sure how Satoko will recover from this. Considering that she's not in L5, (she would be L3 in each loop) she is truly too far gone. Heck even Takano remembering things and regrets them.

I don't see how two of them can go back to being buddy buddy again after one pulled out the others guts.

This entire thing seems to be made to make a Bern Lambda parallel. Which I will hate if its the case.
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random_weirdo said:
Well, she could be wise after a 100 years of life, but that doesn't mean she will have factual knowledge, which is the type that is usually measured in that type of exam. She knows full well about fate (see her debate speech, lol) and by Matsuribayashi knew about friendship, the value of not giving up and many other things that made her wise beyond her years. But that doesn't mean she knows the chemical number for Magnesium or how to calculate the speed of a falling object in the void. I do agree that starting to study three years prior seems excessive, though.

I also wondered about why Rika wouldn't go straight to middle school. Best guess after seeing today's episode is that Irie couldn't afford paying double tuition for so long haha.
Well yes, there is many things you can only learn by specifically learning them (For example, those examples you gave).
But as years pass, we do accumulate general knowledge of things, and that applies to everyone, kids and adults. It's not like our parents or let's say, Grandparents studied everything they know, the stuff just came to be and stuck in their minds. But that set aside, even if she is studying more or less as an elementary schooler, let's not forget that she has been studying for 100 years (lol).
And personally, after a while, I would grow interest on what Rena, Mion and K1 are doing.
I don't know how exactly their mixed grade works, but I guess that if the teacher has anything to ask from the trio, Rika would be hearing the answers, for a hundred times, and that's already essentially studying middle-school stuff.

I'm willing to say she should pretty much already know everything she needs to know to get into St. Lucia.

Intelligent gets through situations which wise avoids.
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Pretty sure Keichii, Mion and Rena self study. While the younger kids including Rika and Satoko are taught by Curry Sensei. Regardless point still stands.

She should at the very least be more capable than the others of her age. That's basically a given.

Poor Satoko though. Even though it's not explicitly said. She comes off as someone not exactly interested or good at studying.
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Maaaan, this ep was amazing. The way in which it betrays our feelings, its just outsanding. At the beggining going like really happy studying, and with that great Insert Song, it gives such a bright feeling. Afterwards,seeing how Satoko's mental health goes down, it gave me some Hinamizawa Syndrome vibes. Probably HS not showing is not the same as disappearing.

PD: Im not native in english, sorry if I misspealed something.
PD2: Someone knows the name of the Insert Song? Thx!
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The only "good" reason I can think of as to why the new ED still doesn't have visuals, is because it's going to have some very blatant imagery of an evil Hanyuu, and they don't want to spoil that part. JK Satoko from the OP has been addressed now, but the horned figure has not. So yea probably that.

But ehhhhhh, there's only 5 episodes left man. 4 if it doesn't play in the last episode. I think I'd choose not to include that character in the ED instead.
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PD2: Someone knows the name of the Insert Song? Thx!


I believe what you said : op,
God's Syndrome and Irregular Entropy : ed.
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Chargecoulomb said:
DrSquashy said:

PD2: Someone knows the name of the Insert Song? Thx!


I believe what you said : op,
God's Syndrome and Irregular Entropy : ed.


Thanks! Tho I still wanna know the Inster Song name, not the OP and ED :D
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not_a_sticker said:
Honestly, the conflict between Satoko and Rika seems forced, Gou goes its way to over-punctuate/exaggerate some characters' flaws in order to have them at odds with each other. It kind of makes it almost as if their friendship was superficial.

First of all, Rika has known Satoko for over a hundred years, she should have realised that, even if her wish is to attend a prestigious school, her friend wouldn't be comfortable with such a life. Bring a mischievous, energetic girl to a stuffy, strict place would do her no good. Second, yeah, she offered her help to study but it felt pretty backhanded, again, she must be aware of Satoko's flaws, ei; she's proud, won't ask for help (as some others have said, this is not the follow-up of Minagoroshi, but Matsuribarashi) and had she really wanted to lend a hand, she would have done it when the two of them were alone together. Third, she adapted rather well to the mannerisms of St Lucia Students, politely declining their invitations some days to spend time with her supposed best friend wouldn't have hurt her new relationships.

As for Satoko, telling Rika, who isn't just her best friend but also the closest thing to a family she currently has, about her sincere doubts regarding enrolling to the academy shouldn't have been a problem. Agreeing while expecting for Rika to change her mind, waiting for her to give up, was condescending of her friend's dream. Likewise, there was no real effort from her part to keep up with her studies when they finally accepted in the academy, obviously slacking-off during class, nor she tried to adapt in the new enviroment, or make some new friends or treat her teacher with respect. Personally, her attitude was as if she was playing hard to get, not only to Rika but everyone else as well, and then blaming it on the rest when she was alone with no one to turn for aid or companionship. As much as the situation is Rika's fault, she shares the responsibility for alienating the world against her and then wonder why she is suffering. She reminds me of Saikoroshi!Satoko, somehow.

I don't know... In past adaptations, DEEN's anime, the VN+manga, their friendship felt more genuine. Here it's shown as something built on routine, co-dependency and a shallow sense of sympathy (not empathy). It's quite saddening, in a way.
Progresses usually carry over between the fragments, so technically Satoko should have her "development" from Mina even if she doesn't remember/experience it, Matsuri itself is a fragment creates by putting all the fragments together, which is why Akasaka's wife is alive and he knows karate (Despite this being a massive paradox since Rika shouldn't even know him, she can only go back as far as two weeks), Shion tries to act as Satoko's Nee-Nee in the ending, Keiichi and Rena don't doubt their friends etc.

Though given how Gou characterized the club so far I don't expect R07 to actually consider that. "Character learns thing she already learned in the original story but she forgot somehow" is also a shit excuse from a sequel tbh.

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Hm...I can see how this might lead to Satoko killing Rika and sending her back into the loops (IF it IS Satoko who kills her)

What I'm curious about is how Satoko becomes aware of the loops to the degree that she does in Nekodamashi-hen.

I wonder if Featherine (since we see what might be her in the OP) will appear before Satoko and make her a witch, or otherwise empower her. Witches have been known to entitle St. Lucia students, after all.

Who knows, I'm just spitballing for the fun of it.
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