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What taste / fandom / type of fan gets the most shit from other fans?
Jan 15, 2020 11:39 AM
#1
So there's a thread that's been constantly active for days now asking why people "discriminate" against shounen fans. Someone made an interesting point about how all fans face some kind of discrimination. And it made me think, "hmm, who is the most oppressed?" Someone else made a point about how people on this forum love to act as thought their group somehow has it worse than others. So, I had a thought. Let's have some fun with it. Let's have a competition. The "winner" is the most oppressed subfandom. I've split the anime fandom into the categories in the poll. It's not perfect. I might have missed stuff or combined stuff which people disagree with or whatever. If that's the case comment as to how you see things. I just made the poll choosing the most "oppressed", if you have a list in order then post it or any opinion at all I'd be interested to hear it! And please, don't take this too seriously to the point of getting offended. But good serious discussion is welcome. ------- Here's my list, I don't even think it's very accurate. To be honest it's really hard to place stuff. I'm more interested in what other people think. (From most to least "oppressed" fandoms / genres) 1. Ecchi (With the amount of people who will dismiss shows based on one small bit of fan service I feel fans of this content face a constant battle for their shows to get recognized) 2. Shoujo / Josei / BL (Small fandom, lots of guys simply don't like the content and some will get very toxic about it) 3. CGDCT / SOL (Similar to ecchi in that people look down on the genre) 4. Underground Classics / "Hipster" Anime (Get accused of being hipsters and for liking stuff just because it's not mainstream when they often just have a different or more broad taste) 5. Typical / Battle / Mahou Shounen (For reasons detailed in the big thread on AD right now, however they are still a large fandom so rank lower for me) 6. Mainstream (These fans can always find legions of similar people in episode discussions on r/anime and here, and face little serious discrimination imo as their shows are often at least moderately highly regarded. I think a lot of the complaints about "elitists" - typically the "hipsters" - shitting on these fans are way overblown. I see far more discrimination in the other direction.) |
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Jan 15, 2020 11:43 AM
#2
>the type of taste where the person only watches and likes the top 2-3 anime every season is that personal attack or something? |
Jan 15, 2020 11:43 AM
#3
Mecha is the most oppressed genre to the point no one cares about it anymore or only few left cares about it |
Jan 15, 2020 11:56 AM
#4
Probably ecchi and CGDCT because they shit on themselves the most too (and rightfully so). BL/Yaoi should be its own thing though, gets shit it on way more than shoujo/josei (which are the female equivalent of shounen and seinen). All I ever hear is that it's rape fantasy trash for the most part. |
EsquirtitJan 15, 2020 12:00 PM
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Jan 15, 2020 12:00 PM
#5
I hate everyone on that list. Anime is seldom good. |
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Jan 15, 2020 12:01 PM
#6
all weebs deserve to suffer for their sins |
Jan 15, 2020 12:11 PM
#7
Shoujo/BL most likely. Either that or mainstream like SAO fans for instance I don't really see CGDCT/SoL fans get shit on per se, more so the actual shows themselves. Same with ecchi I feel like I see more hate towards the shows themselves rather than the fanbases |
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Jan 15, 2020 12:12 PM
#8
well since mecha is not on the list i voted for BL anime |
Jan 15, 2020 12:19 PM
#9
I voted for the mainstream. In other words the normies. On the other hand, I see that the shoujo/josei/BL category (or what I call, the fujoshi category) is also getting the hate the same way the normies do. Does this category also contain the "fujoshi-bait" shows such as Bungou Stray Dogs, Durarara, Black Butler, Free and Yuri on Ice which are neither shoujo, josei or BL (in canon that is)? Also "mahou shounen"? Are we bringing back a certain thread here? |
Jan 15, 2020 12:22 PM
#10
I chose ecchi fans. And they don't just get shit from haters. They exist within shit. They shit on themselves, they consume shit, they enjoy shit, they produce shit, they ARE shit. Btw which category do waifu fags belong to? They are the most inferior type of community and they deserve much more contempt than they have now. Some more to mention: Shippers. Sakuga fans who praise animation only and ignore anything else no matter how shitty the show is |
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Jan 15, 2020 12:31 PM
#11
idk mainstream? i'm going more towards the isekai fan direction though because they get shit from people every season |
Jan 15, 2020 12:39 PM
#12
i think ecchi fans get the most hate. i mean, even i find ecchi stuff is generally pointless and boring. I'm not attracted to anime/cartoons like that. Anime boobs and panties do absolutely nothing for me except wastes my time. |
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Jan 15, 2020 12:40 PM
#13
All of them equally in one way ('cause people are judgemental pieces of horse ass) but out of these I'd opt to pick BL. The era of BL being "fetishized rape presented,or rather disguised as something cute" has been gone for a few years now. And people still put BL fans into one trash bin of "delusional 12-year old girls with no grip on reality" when (at least from what I've seen) a majority of them actually are adult people with a functioning brain. |
Jan 15, 2020 12:50 PM
#14
Nutella71 said: All of them equally in one way ('cause people are judgemental pieces of horse ass) but out of these I'd opt to pick BL. The era of BL being "fetishized rape presented,or rather disguised as something cute" has been gone for a few years now. And people still put BL fans into one trash bin of "delusional 12-year old girls with no grip on reality" when (at least from what I've seen) a majority of them actually are adult people with a functioning brain. I agree it seems like people shudder at the thought of any slight hint of bromance in anime because of the stigma around BL. |
Jan 15, 2020 1:00 PM
#15
Missaliensan said: I've seen that exact example on the latest episode (2) of Pet where it seems one of the characters has a potential crush on one other guy. And all of a sudden people are backing out right and left. Things like "oh man I loved it so far,mystery was cool and interesting but those two "seem to" be gay so imma head out" Nutella71 said: All of them equally in one way ('cause people are judgemental pieces of horse ass) but out of these I'd opt to pick BL. The era of BL being "fetishized rape presented,or rather disguised as something cute" has been gone for a few years now. And people still put BL fans into one trash bin of "delusional 12-year old girls with no grip on reality" when (at least from what I've seen) a majority of them actually are adult people with a functioning brain. I agree it seems like people shudder at the thought of any slight hint of bromance in anime because of the stigma around BL. |
Jan 15, 2020 1:08 PM
#16
YossaRedMage said: Here's my list, I don't even think it's very accurate. To be honest it's really hard to place stuff. I'm more interested in what other people think. (From most to least "oppressed" fandoms / genres) 1. Ecchi (With the amount of people who will dismiss shows based on one small bit of fan service I feel fans of this content face a constant battle for their shows to get recognized) 2. Shoujo / Josei / BL (Small fandom, lots of guys simply don't like the content and some will get very toxic about it) 3. CGDCT / SOL (Similar to ecchi in that people look down on the genre) 4. Underground Classics / "Hipster" Anime (Get accused of being hipsters and for liking stuff just because it's not mainstream when they often just have a different or more broad taste) 5. Typical / Battle / Mahou Shounen (For reasons detailed in the big thread on AD right now, however they are still a large fandom so rank lower for me) 6. Mainstream (These fans can always find legions of similar people in episode discussions on r/anime and here, and face little serious discrimination imo as their shows are often at least moderately highly regarded. I think a lot of the complaints about "elitists" - typically the "hipsters" - shitting on these fans are way overblown. I see far more discrimination in the other direction.) 1- Don't really see abuse on this one. The only people who shit on them are idiots who think they're above everyone because they like their anime "pure". Everyone else knows ecchi exist for a reason and people who consume ecchi know exactly what they're getting. 2- I actually think there's some respect for shoujo/josei/BL fans. The genre itself is never particularly bashed but that's probably because there's so few notable ones. 3- This does get bashed on but more so in previous years. Mostly shit on by people who don't know or care much about slower pacing and character-driven stories. To be fair the CGDCT/moe fandom isn't great and isn't anywhere near as unified as the other types of anime fandoms you listed. A case of if you stick your head out you'll get shot at. 4- Anyone can get strawmanned into this category if they just don't like an anime most people like. In that case those people probably get the most crap just by inferring reactions by more mainstream media *cough Star Wars Sequel Trilogy* since they're always in the minority and the very nature of what they're doing inevitably sees them confronting the majority in open battle. This would probably be my vote if the catagory was based on your description. Now talking about actual hipsters who are the very people most people refer to when they accuse others of being "hipsters" - they're as idiotic as the accusers but they hardly come up and are sniped down from all factions if they dare post nonsense on threads (quite rightfully). 5- As the most popular genres they'll always have a large amount of detractors. However, this fandom has garnered a very poor reputation over the years as loud, obnoxious, and exhibit dangerous group-mentality and for good reason. They also have a bad rep for being basically defined by the shonen genre and they watch nothing else. This is probably true and it wouldn't be so bad if it weren't for the fact that they're everywhere and they're given a huge say in what represents anime and the anime fandom as a whole. I mean, how many of us cringed hard at the HeroAca CR Awards 2018? These guys get shit on the most in guantity but not percentage-wise. 6- Intrinsically tied to 4. Their bad rep is similar to shonen in that they talk about the stuff they watch as being the best thing ever but hardly watched anything else. Really, on a case to case basis they're just your typical degenerate anime fan but they just happen to have a huge fanbase to back them up. No ones really right or wrong here. Just a typical day on MAL of people attacking and defending people's taste in anime just backed with big numbers. No quote-on-quote abuse here. |
Jan 15, 2020 1:13 PM
#17
Nutella71 said: Missaliensan said: I've seen that exact example on the latest episode (2) of Pet where it seems one of the characters has a potential crush on one other guy. And all of a sudden people are backing out right and left. Things like "oh man I loved it so far,mystery was cool and interesting but those two "seem to" be gay so imma head out" Nutella71 said: All of them equally in one way ('cause people are judgemental pieces of horse ass) but out of these I'd opt to pick BL. The era of BL being "fetishized rape presented,or rather disguised as something cute" has been gone for a few years now. And people still put BL fans into one trash bin of "delusional 12-year old girls with no grip on reality" when (at least from what I've seen) a majority of them actually are adult people with a functioning brain. I agree it seems like people shudder at the thought of any slight hint of bromance in anime because of the stigma around BL. I have also seen the same thing with Hoshiai no sora where when the show was in its infancy,in the website I watched the anime on,the cover art featured two boys standing next to each other.Needless to say several people lost their shit and backed out left and right because the show looked gay,and looked like shounen-ai,despite the fact that it was not.The cover art got changed to a different one though a few more episodes into the show. |
Jan 15, 2020 1:35 PM
#18
Missaliensan said: Really now?! I loved Hoshiai no sora and had no idea this happened. People can be that petty or should I say plain absurd? I mean,doesn't a lot of other anime also have only two or more guys on the cover art (HunterxHunter,FMA,Death note)? But it was the combo of two guys + playing a sport that probably had that effect,for whatever reason. Nutella71 said: Missaliensan said: Nutella71 said: All of them equally in one way ('cause people are judgemental pieces of horse ass) but out of these I'd opt to pick BL. The era of BL being "fetishized rape presented,or rather disguised as something cute" has been gone for a few years now. And people still put BL fans into one trash bin of "delusional 12-year old girls with no grip on reality" when (at least from what I've seen) a majority of them actually are adult people with a functioning brain. I agree it seems like people shudder at the thought of any slight hint of bromance in anime because of the stigma around BL. I have also seen the same thing with Hoshiai no sora where when the show was in its infancy,in the website I watched the anime on,the cover art featured two boys standing next to each other.Needless to say several people lost their shit and backed out left and right because the show looked gay,and looked like shounen-ai,despite the fact that it was not.The cover art got changed to a different one though a few more episodes into the show. |
Jan 15, 2020 1:39 PM
#19
Nutella71 said: Missaliensan said: Really now?! I loved Hoshiai no sora and had no idea this happened. People can be that petty or should I say plain absurd? I mean,doesn't a lot of other anime also have only two or more guys on the cover art (HunterxHunter,FMA,Death note)? But it was the combo of two guys + playing a sport that probably had that effect,for whatever reason. Nutella71 said: Missaliensan said: I've seen that exact example on the latest episode (2) of Pet where it seems one of the characters has a potential crush on one other guy. And all of a sudden people are backing out right and left. Things like "oh man I loved it so far,mystery was cool and interesting but those two "seem to" be gay so imma head out" Nutella71 said: All of them equally in one way ('cause people are judgemental pieces of horse ass) but out of these I'd opt to pick BL. The era of BL being "fetishized rape presented,or rather disguised as something cute" has been gone for a few years now. And people still put BL fans into one trash bin of "delusional 12-year old girls with no grip on reality" when (at least from what I've seen) a majority of them actually are adult people with a functioning brain. I agree it seems like people shudder at the thought of any slight hint of bromance in anime because of the stigma around BL. I have also seen the same thing with Hoshiai no sora where when the show was in its infancy,in the website I watched the anime on,the cover art featured two boys standing next to each other.Needless to say several people lost their shit and backed out left and right because the show looked gay,and looked like shounen-ai,despite the fact that it was not.The cover art got changed to a different one though a few more episodes into the show. To help you understand the situation a little better,they changed the cover art from this to this So you can see how people were a little ifffy on the anime at first because of the boys staring sideways at each other in the first cover which oof looked a little too suggestive for people it seems.To the point where several people misinterpreted the anime as shounen-ai. |
SummerynJan 15, 2020 1:43 PM
Jan 15, 2020 2:21 PM
#20
Missaliensan said: Oh yeah I've seen that cover. Well,now when I take a proper look at them side by side,I do get why people had such reactions. Such looks could be interpreted as romance,but if it hypothetically did involve some sort of romantic relationships among the cast which weren't just a side thing accessory or "bait",wouldn't it be tagged as such in the description? Nutella71 said: Missaliensan said: Nutella71 said: Missaliensan said: I've seen that exact example on the latest episode (2) of Pet where it seems one of the characters has a potential crush on one other guy. And all of a sudden people are backing out right and left. Things like "oh man I loved it so far,mystery was cool and interesting but those two "seem to" be gay so imma head out" Nutella71 said: All of them equally in one way ('cause people are judgemental pieces of horse ass) but out of these I'd opt to pick BL. The era of BL being "fetishized rape presented,or rather disguised as something cute" has been gone for a few years now. And people still put BL fans into one trash bin of "delusional 12-year old girls with no grip on reality" when (at least from what I've seen) a majority of them actually are adult people with a functioning brain. I agree it seems like people shudder at the thought of any slight hint of bromance in anime because of the stigma around BL. I have also seen the same thing with Hoshiai no sora where when the show was in its infancy,in the website I watched the anime on,the cover art featured two boys standing next to each other.Needless to say several people lost their shit and backed out left and right because the show looked gay,and looked like shounen-ai,despite the fact that it was not.The cover art got changed to a different one though a few more episodes into the show. To help you understand the situation a little better,they changed the cover art from this to this So you can see how people were a little ifffy on the anime at first because of the boys staring sideways at each other in the first cover which oof looked a little too suggestive for people it seems.To the point where several people misinterpreted the anime as shounen-ai. |
Jan 15, 2020 2:25 PM
#21
BL seems to have a bad reputation for some reason. I've only read one BL manga (haven't even finished it yet) but it's really good, so I don't see why I see so little BL on favourites list, but then again, not like I have a lot of BL on my favorites list either. Homophobia? Lack of good BL? Maybe people just haven't even tried it yet? I don't know. |
Jan 15, 2020 2:25 PM
#22
Nutella71 said: Missaliensan said: Oh yeah I've seen that cover. Well,now when I take a proper look at them side by side,I do get why people had such reactions. Such looks could be interpreted as romance,but if it hypothetically did involve some sort of romantic relationships among the cast which weren't just a side thing accessory or "bait",wouldn't it be tagged as such in the description? Nutella71 said: Missaliensan said: Really now?! I loved Hoshiai no sora and had no idea this happened. People can be that petty or should I say plain absurd? I mean,doesn't a lot of other anime also have only two or more guys on the cover art (HunterxHunter,FMA,Death note)? But it was the combo of two guys + playing a sport that probably had that effect,for whatever reason. Nutella71 said: Missaliensan said: I've seen that exact example on the latest episode (2) of Pet where it seems one of the characters has a potential crush on one other guy. And all of a sudden people are backing out right and left. Things like "oh man I loved it so far,mystery was cool and interesting but those two "seem to" be gay so imma head out" Nutella71 said: All of them equally in one way ('cause people are judgemental pieces of horse ass) but out of these I'd opt to pick BL. The era of BL being "fetishized rape presented,or rather disguised as something cute" has been gone for a few years now. And people still put BL fans into one trash bin of "delusional 12-year old girls with no grip on reality" when (at least from what I've seen) a majority of them actually are adult people with a functioning brain. I agree it seems like people shudder at the thought of any slight hint of bromance in anime because of the stigma around BL. I have also seen the same thing with Hoshiai no sora where when the show was in its infancy,in the website I watched the anime on,the cover art featured two boys standing next to each other.Needless to say several people lost their shit and backed out left and right because the show looked gay,and looked like shounen-ai,despite the fact that it was not.The cover art got changed to a different one though a few more episodes into the show. To help you understand the situation a little better,they changed the cover art from this to this So you can see how people were a little ifffy on the anime at first because of the boys staring sideways at each other in the first cover which oof looked a little too suggestive for people it seems.To the point where several people misinterpreted the anime as shounen-ai. The point is that this was never a shounen ai anime in the first possible so obviously it didn't need to be tagged as such.Even then,people still commented things like "i thought this was a sports anime they fooled me!" |
Jan 15, 2020 2:34 PM
#23
deg said: Mecha is the most oppressed genre to the point no one cares about it anymore or only few left cares about it True, not many people are willing to give the mecha genre a chance, but I rarely see people actively shitting on others for being a mecha fan. |
Jan 15, 2020 6:01 PM
#24
While maybe not the most oppressed, I'd like to throw idol anime out there. The stereotype definitely exists for a reason. Basically, many IRL idols are contractually not allowed to date in order to preserve the notion that they only love their fans, and to allow the fans to develop a fantasy that they are in a relationship with their favorite idol so they will continue to attend concerts and buy merch. Some fans have been known to have serious tantrums if it comes to light that their favorite idol is in a relationship or not a virgin. I'm not sure how prevalent this type actually is in the fandom. I like to think that it's just an outspoken few and that most idol fans are normal, anyways, but this has still created a stigma against idol fans. As a huge idol anime fan, I personally love watching a group of [mainly] girls striving for their dreams. The performances are really fun, and I love listening to a lot of the music. Yes I pick my favorite girl, but I'm not in an imaginary relationship with her. I've more recently been getting into more IRL idols, but I strongly wish all of them were allowed to date and live their lives normally. It makes it difficult for me to want to actually support that industry in spite of love it so much. Anyways, I've definitely seen plenty of people say things like "idol fans are cancer" and "idol fans are the worst," so it's worth mentioning. I don't personally feel oppressed or anything, though. |
Jan 15, 2020 6:02 PM
#25
No isekai option? hmm Ecchi (and more than that harem), BL and isekai fans are bashed the most. Mainstream anime usually suffer from active loud haters. Battle shounen shows "are" mainstream so it's the same About "hipster" anime fans, sometimes they get hated because of having "literally" the same things in their favorites/high rated shows but it doesn't get in the same level as others And Shoujo/Josei at least I don't see much hate; Just many people say it isn't my type and don't care at all about it. The same goes for CGDCT, mahou shoujo, etc. |
Jan 15, 2020 6:10 PM
#26
Well, would you look at that, plenty of people have already proved OP's #1 with ecchi fans being bashed the most. If that doesn't back it up the fact then I don't what does. |
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Jan 15, 2020 6:15 PM
#27
I'm really fucking tired of the condescending attitude a lot of male anime fans have towards shojo and cast full of pretty boys anime. And the sheer amount of dudebros who hate even the slightest hint of homoeroticism. Hell just the fact that all three are lumped in the same category just for being aimed at women in itself is condescending. But really mecha would be the winner. Even the industry hates them. :( |
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Jan 15, 2020 7:47 PM
#28
Short_Circut said: Shoujo/BL most likely. Either that or mainstream like SAO fans for instance I don't really see CGDCT/SoL fans get shit on per se, more so the actual shows themselves. Same with ecchi I feel like I see more hate towards the shows themselves rather than the fanbases I kind of included hate towards fanbases and the shows as one thing. Most people that are big fans of a certain thing will consider or at least act like attacks on the shows are a personal attack. And it often is the case too. If someone says x type of anime are shit, then they're saying those who are fans of that have shit taste. As for Shoujo / BL. It's definitely up there. Only there is a certain type of fan that will have a positive bias towards those genres due to (what seems to me to be) a subconcious need to defend against the toxicity. Moreso shoujo / josei than BL. There are definitely people who can get really pretentious about those sorts of shows in my opinion. Not a knock on the shows though. But I feel the ecchi stuff and SOL doesn't get quite the same level of pushback agianst the hate, even if the fanbase is larger. Also I feel the hate towards ecchi is... well, different in a worse way. People that actively hate on shoujo/BL are usually just childish people that call them "gay" or whatever. It's like... ok. They're trolls. Block and move on. No great loss. People that hate on ecchi tend to be more reasonable, smart people that just have a bias against sexual content, and they tend to state their opinion in a way that makes people pay attention. I feel the bias against ecchi is more influential. Just my perspective though. I'm biased being a big fan of erotic content (though moreso the kind in serious shows, as opposed to dedicated ecchi shows which I tend to not like so much). Tropisch said: Well, would you look at that, plenty of people have already proved OP's #1 with ecchi fans being bashed the most. If that doesn't back it up the fact then I don't what does. Yeah... I try to state stuff humbly without being too sure of myself (when I'm in a good mood). But when one pays attention, and isn't biased against ecchi to begin with, it's really obvious how bad it is. @MajesticOtaKing I haven't watched any idol shows as I think the story would kind of not be my thing, like with sports anime. But the girl designs in some idol shows are amazing. Some of the most beautiful in all of anime. As a figure collector, I've been tempted to pick up some of the Love Live figures because they're just stunning. This Minami Kotori for instance. https://myfigurecollection.net/item/236159 I guess I would include Idol anime within the SOL / CGDCT category as it's focused on cute girls and alot of the hate those shows get is very similar to Idol shows from what I see. @HeruruMeruru @deg @Setsuei Man, poor mecha. One of the oldest, most traditional type of anime and now look at it... I have no excuse for forgetting it. Although it's hard to rate how hated the genre/fans are when the genre barely exists anymore. The only time I see mecha mentioned in discussion on here or r/anime is how dead / ignored the genre is now. All I remember is @Sphinxter saying he was inventing the phrase and I liked it so much I use it all the time now. It's just a slightly underhanded but friendly, jokey dig. That's how I use it at least. @raisin-kun Thanks for high-effort post. Not much to add. I agree with most of what you said. mhkr said: No isekai option? hmm Ecchi (and more than that harem), BL and isekai fans are bashed the most. Mainstream anime usually suffer from active loud haters. Battle shounen shows "are" mainstream so it's the same About "hipster" anime fans, sometimes they get hated because of having "literally" the same things in their favorites/high rated shows but it doesn't get in the same level as others And Shoujo/Josei at least I don't see much hate; Just many people say it isn't my type and don't care at all about it. The same goes for CGDCT, mahou shoujo, etc. Maybe it deserved it's own category, but most isekai fits in to battle shouen / mahou shounen type stuff for me. Lots of fights. Central young male protag with superpowers of some kind. I'm generalizing but yeah. Plus, are that many people fans of isekai specifically? About mainstream / battle shounen being the same, I don't really agree. The "mainstream" tag is kind of the opposite of the "hipster". One is a fan who will be drawn to heavily hyped stuff, and the other is a fan who will seek out the stranger, more niche stuff. There's a sheep / hipster dynamic going on. And I'm not even judging here. I think both are just a form taste. I have what I prefer but that's irrelevant. But as for what type of fan gets "oppressed", I think there's a definite divide between the "shounen tard" type of labelling, and the "normie" type of labelling. Someone can be most defintiely not a "normie" and be just fanatically in to battle shounen. And that's a type of fan that most definitely exists. And then you have the casual "normie" that doesn't really watch anime as a major hobby and just watches whatever is being hyped up the most, which isn't always battle shounen. |
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Jan 15, 2020 8:08 PM
#29
SAO fans get oppressed SO much that it's freaking ridiculous. I'm not afraid to speak my mind but I feel terrible for every 'closet' SAO fan who's too terrified to peek out in case they get majorly cyber/bullied simply for liking a franchise. It disgusts me so much. When I see one at a con, I always give them a friendly smile and greeting to let them know of my support. (Thus I chose 'mainstream' because in 22 years, I've never seen such toxic oppression concerning an anime series) |
ChiibiJan 15, 2020 8:11 PM
Jan 15, 2020 10:16 PM
#30
@YossaRedMage lol to me its better to be hated than to be forgotten (which you did too) or ignored especially when it comes to business or capitalism so ye poor Mecha indeed |
Jan 15, 2020 10:30 PM
#31
Just because I am a degenerate and like BL doesn’t make the genre bad T,T Gay shit is always the best. @deg legit I feel the same way. OP should have added mecha to the poll. Still I say BL gets equal amounts of shit but for different reasons. |
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Jan 15, 2020 10:30 PM
#32
100% mainstream fandom. While I personally sometimes find mainstream fans to be annoying at times when they blindly defend whatever is new regardless of the actual quality, I find the “pOpuLaR = bAd” people to be even more annoying. Basically my list comes down to whichever “oppressor” I find most unbearable. While I see some discrimination for these other categories, I hardly see enough to warrant being called “oppressed.” These other fandoms usually just stick to their own corners and others, for the most part, let them be since people who dislike these specific categories aren’t going to continue going back to them. Mainstreams a little different though since all manner of anime fans come out to find new shows that they might enjoy each season. This causes the mixing of the fans from different genres which leads to the famous “”elitist”” vs “”normie”” fight which is by far, the most ridiculous and annoying fight to me personally. My list would be: 1. Mainstream 2. Typical / Battle / Mahou Shounen 3. Shoujo / Josei / BL 4. Underground Classics / “Hipster” Anime 5. Ecchi 6. CGDCT / SOL |
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Jan 15, 2020 11:07 PM
#33
That depends on where you stand and who you talk to. I've seen all of these get a lot of shit, except the 'mainstream' category (which is kinda the same as the battle shounen category as I never see people getting shit for mainstream taste that isn't centered around battle shounen). In the end we're all biased and perceive the hate more when it targets something we're into tho. So in my case I definitely see a ton of bashing of so-called 'elitist' anime, which includes everything niche, obscure, old, artsy and critically acclaimed that isn't super mainstream. But this category only 'wins' if you include oldies and not just stuff like Ping Pong or Monster like it says in the poll. I've talked about this plenty before, but oldies have such a bad reputation in the community, people don't even need to actively bash them because even in random conversations you can sense the disdain of a lot of casuals and their prejudice towards oldies and their fans. This attitude is basically omnipresent. #2 I can probably give to ecchi because sexuality still scares a lot of people and while the stereotypes and insult are different from the ones that target LOGH fans (which are allegedly all arrogant, pretentious assholes that look down on everyone else) they're also very widespread and insulting. You know, the whole basement-dwelling virgin spiel that people like to throw at ecchi fans. #3 is probably shoujo/josei stuff. People do love their gay jokes and using homosexuality as an insult for the lulz. There's a couple of users who are particularly zealous in that regard. Then CGDCT, the genre gets a lot of flak and the shows get called boring garbage a lot but I don't see as many attacks on the viewers as with the others. As for battle shounen and mainstream fans, I'm sure they get some shit, but a lot of the time I see people play the victim card when they are at fault because they started some shit and then whine to the community when more experienced fans put them in their place with better arguments and more knowledge of the medium. |
I probably regret this post by now. |
Jan 16, 2020 12:02 AM
#34
Your shoujo/josei/BL description in the poll being "perceived" for girls and gay guys annoys me, that's the target audience and if we forget about the BL its kind of in its description! If I can acknowledge shounen is more for young males I don't see why others cant own up to this. I picked Ecchi because even though I like some ecchi shows for the sexual jokes and the fact that I do find it hot.... if I see ecchi stuff I start worrying the show is going to be a pointless ecchi shitshow Edit: Missaliensan said: I have a different problem, I love bromance but any slight hint of it starts getting the fujoshis trying to cramp their shipping down everyone's throat and trying to ruin the awesomeness of a bromance, flick your bean over whatever you want but don't bother us with your twisted views on thingsI agree it seems like people shudder at the thought of any slight hint of bromance in anime because of the stigma around BL. |
KillaclownJan 16, 2020 12:13 AM
Jan 16, 2020 12:08 AM
#35
Killaclown said: Your shoujo/josei/BL description in the poll being "perceived" for girls and gay guys annoys me, that's the target audience and if we forget about the BL its kind of in its description! If I can acknowledge shounen is more for young males I don't see why others cant own up to this. Yes, but just because it's for girls doesn't mean it's JUST for girls and that men couldn't possibly enjoy it, but sadly that is the stigma surrounding them, which doesn't exist with shounen and seinen. People sure as hell don't lump the entire demographic of shounen into the same single category as the entire demographic of seinen like shojo and josei often are. And many women enjoy shounen and even write them, but somehow the opposite happening is inconceivable. "Perceived as being for girls" in this case means that it's perceived as ONLY being for girls, and often with that notion, that it's inherently of lesser value, which is a stigma and double standard that needs to stop. |
removed-userJan 16, 2020 12:14 AM
Jan 16, 2020 12:09 AM
#36
"Battle shounen" "fans" oppress each other on daily basis. It is a retarded circle of bullying and abuse. |
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Jan 16, 2020 12:15 AM
#37
Killaclown said: Your shoujo/josei/BL description in the poll being "perceived" for girls and gay guys annoys me, that's the target audience and if we forget about the BL its kind of in its description! If I can acknowledge shounen is more for young males I don't see why others cant own up to this. I picked Ecchi because even though I like some ecchi shows for the sexual jokes and the fact that I do find it hot.... if I see ecchi stuff I start worrying the show is going to be a pointless ecchi shitshow Edit: Missaliensan said: I have a different problem, I love bromance but any slight hint of it starts getting the fujoshis trying to cramp their shipping down everyone's throat and trying to ruin the awesomeness of a bromance, flick your bean over whatever you want but don't bother us with your twisted views on thingsI agree it seems like people shudder at the thought of any slight hint of bromance in anime because of the stigma around BL. I guess so.I have seen some really questionable ships,that left me wondering what in their right mind made these people think it was cute to ship these two particular characters together. |
Jan 16, 2020 12:17 AM
#38
HeruruMeruru said: I haven't really seen many people talk smack against any guys for liking it, just saying that as men you shouldn't be surprised that we don't, I cant name a single one I like, even a show I like saiyuki I can see the shoujo/josie influence of the author and a lot of those moments annoy me (shows not technically shoujo/josie but the author apparently has done it in the past and it definitely shows)Killaclown said: Your shoujo/josei/BL description in the poll being "perceived" for girls and gay guys annoys me, that's the target audience and if we forget about the BL its kind of in its description! If I can acknowledge shounen is more for young males I don't see why others cant own up to this. Yes, but just because it's for girls doesn't mean it's ONLY for girls and that men couldn't possibly enjoy it, but sadly that is the stigma surrounding them, which doesn't exist with shounen and seinen. People sure as hell don't lump the entire demographic of shounen into the same single category as the entire demographic of seinen like shojo and josei often are. And many women enjoy shounen and even write them, but somehow the opposite happening is inconceivable. "Perceived" in this case means that it's perceived as ONLY being for girls, and often with that notion, that it's inherently of lesser value, which is a stigma and double standard that needs to stop. |
Jan 16, 2020 12:29 AM
#39
Killaclown said: HeruruMeruru said: I haven't really seen many people talk smack against any guys for liking it, just saying that as men you shouldn't be surprised that we don't, I cant name a single one I like, even a show I like saiyuki I can see the shoujo/josie influence of the author and a lot of those moments annoy me (shows not technically shoujo/josie but the author apparently has done it in the past and it definitely shows)Killaclown said: Your shoujo/josei/BL description in the poll being "perceived" for girls and gay guys annoys me, that's the target audience and if we forget about the BL its kind of in its description! If I can acknowledge shounen is more for young males I don't see why others cant own up to this. Yes, but just because it's for girls doesn't mean it's ONLY for girls and that men couldn't possibly enjoy it, but sadly that is the stigma surrounding them, which doesn't exist with shounen and seinen. People sure as hell don't lump the entire demographic of shounen into the same single category as the entire demographic of seinen like shojo and josei often are. And many women enjoy shounen and even write them, but somehow the opposite happening is inconceivable. "Perceived" in this case means that it's perceived as ONLY being for girls, and often with that notion, that it's inherently of lesser value, which is a stigma and double standard that needs to stop. Well, at least you gave it a chance, that's more than I can say for all those peeps with 1000+ anime on their list and not a single one is outside of the typical male otaku comfort zone. But that doesn't really address the double standard, which is why women liking shounen is not only common, but EXPECTED, but guys completely ignore the existence of anything not aimed at them? But Saiyuki actually is josei, first season was shounen then it moved to a josei publication from Reload onwards. And there are plenty of shoujo and josei that aren't particularly girly like X/1999, Magic Knight Rayearth, Michiko & Hatchin, Trinity Blood (though that one's like Saiyuki in that it started out as seinen then switched to shoujo), and Banana Fish that I think any guy or "not like other girls" girls would enjoy but people either refuse to go near them just because "eww shojo" or if they do they didn't even know it was. :/ |
removed-userJan 16, 2020 1:45 AM
Jan 16, 2020 12:31 AM
#40
Daniel_Naumov said: "Battle shounen" "fans" oppress each other on daily basis. It is a retarded circle of bullying and abuse. It's a SM ritual actually. They are liking it. |
Jan 16, 2020 12:44 AM
#41
HeruruMeruru said: aw so it is, I stand corrected.... but even with one I like (only one) they have to show bromance and any type of caring between males in such a gay way, I'm now wondering if that increased once it went straight up the josei route.Killaclown said: HeruruMeruru said: Killaclown said: Your shoujo/josei/BL description in the poll being "perceived" for girls and gay guys annoys me, that's the target audience and if we forget about the BL its kind of in its description! If I can acknowledge shounen is more for young males I don't see why others cant own up to this. Yes, but just because it's for girls doesn't mean it's ONLY for girls and that men couldn't possibly enjoy it, but sadly that is the stigma surrounding them, which doesn't exist with shounen and seinen. People sure as hell don't lump the entire demographic of shounen into the same single category as the entire demographic of seinen like shojo and josei often are. And many women enjoy shounen and even write them, but somehow the opposite happening is inconceivable. "Perceived" in this case means that it's perceived as ONLY being for girls, and often with that notion, that it's inherently of lesser value, which is a stigma and double standard that needs to stop. Well, at least you gave it a chance, that's more than I can say for all those peeps with 1000+ anime on their list and not a single one is outside of the typical male otaku comfort zone. But Saiyuki actually is josei, first season was shounen then it moved to a josei publication from Reload onwards. Only other one I completed was princess jellyfish and that was just because I threw something on while I was hungover and just let it play, I think it's my lowest rated anime that I've completed (also remember trying a carnivale or something one... nah I couldn't continue) I honestly think shounen has broader appeal than josei/shoujo and that's not just because "men are too close minded", shojou/josei just seem to dig into their niche market more Edit: and of course I'd watch saiyuki, anything to do with the monkey king I'm all for lol (journey to the west included) Edit #2 not a single one of those seems appealing, and with some of the art styles, yeah seems still "girly" (except for possibly trinity blood but doesn't say shoujo/josie, though vampire shows aimed towards women is a big red flag for me... way too much experience with that nonsense lol) |
KillaclownJan 16, 2020 12:53 AM
Jan 16, 2020 2:01 AM
#42
For the record I don't think there's anything wrong with not liking most shoujo and josei after giving them a chance, I just dislike the condescending attitude the male part of the anime fandom at large tends to give them without even giving any a chance, or the fact that they completely ignore their existence. ...or like shounen romance but won't touch shounen or josei romance even if it's practically the same thing. Going back on topic I would actually agree with the person that says old anime gets a lot of shit from newer fans. People often ask for suggestions and I give them the perfect anime that is absolutely everything they asked for down to a T and they just go "No that's too old". :/ It's more hate on the shows themselves than the fans but I do from time to time see people accuse people that prefer old anime hipsters or elitists. Um, no? Maybe I just prefer older anime because I like the way they look, has that thought ever crossed your mind? |
removed-userJan 16, 2020 2:42 PM
Jan 16, 2020 2:10 AM
#43
Jan 16, 2020 2:19 AM
#44
Not a perfect example tho. The first episode is great but sadly the season gets boring and finishes in the middle of nowhere. The reboot doesn't look that great and goes on an alternative route. The other titles from the franchise are pretty disjointed and incoherent too. |
Jan 16, 2020 2:30 AM
#45
alshu said: Not a perfect example tho. The first episode is great but sadly the season gets boring and finishes in the middle of nowhere. The reboot doesn't look that great and goes on an alternative route. The other titles from the franchise are pretty disjointed and incoherent too. I only posted that gif for the aesthetic, to go with my reason for preferring old anime being mainly because "I just think they look neat". |
Jan 16, 2020 2:31 AM
#46
According to @Nick-Knight "We live in a society and SAO fans are the most oppressed minority." |
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Jan 16, 2020 2:44 AM
#47
HeruruMeruru said: I only posted that gif for the aesthetic, to go with my reason for preferring old anime being mainly because "I just think they look neat". Yeah, I got that but you have awaken my frustration about Lodoss having such a great premise and not developing it. Ryuk9428 said: According to @Nick-Knight "We live in a society and SAO fans are the most oppressed minority." I think it's more of a "Just admit that SAO is trash, a guilty pleasure and you are liking it for its cheesiness!" situation than "You are forbidden to like stuff like that!". |
Jan 16, 2020 2:46 AM
#48
None of those, maybe mainstream but i would add the "elitist fuck". Since basicially every fandom shits on them if they criticize one show they like (not everyone ofc but ive seen hella many people doing said thing). The only people that are rightfully oppressed are the people that legitimately think SAO or similar shows are good, i dont care if you like those shows but at least admit that they are trash and you like them for being just that ;) |
-Mullerio-Jan 16, 2020 2:53 AM
Jan 16, 2020 2:50 AM
#49
If watching the top 3 shows every season is still mainstream, I'm not as much of a weeb as I thought. |
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