| It looks fine. Up to One Punch Man standard. |
 ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
| I mean I haven't seen the new season yet but I'm willing to bet that you're exaggerating when you say stuff like 'there's no animation' or watching it is 'torture'. I've seen a lot of horrendous anime and not many deserve the title 'torture' and you have probably never heard of them. The first season had some of the best TV animation ever, so based on that I expect this new season to just have 'normal' animation like most other TV anime, which people then proceed to call the worst animation ever because they only compare it to season 1. That would fit the pattern of this community. It might even have above average animation. I would expect anything that looks worse than the Boros fight to be met with unjust resentment from the community, because that's how anime fans are. There is also the consideration of whether it really is the fault of JC Staff or whether the production committee is to blame for putting them on an unworkable schedule. Anime fans never look beyond the studio and even blame them for stuff they have no control over, like whether they get hired for more seasons or not. So I wouldn't be surprised if they were blaming the wrong people here as well. That being said, I do agree that the main appeal of OPM season 1 was the great animation. The one joke the show has wasn't enough to carry the show, no matter how much people say it's a 'great comedy'. It really isn't in my opinion, it's just decent as a comedy and a lot of the comedic appeal of season 1 came from the OTT-ness of the script being backed up by the OTT-ness of the animation. So if that is gone, I don't see season 2 being more than a 6/10 for me, at best (S1 was 7/10 for me, tho probably more like a 7.5) Also I'm sure that a bunch of pirates who laugh at the concept of paying for anime, even when it's their favorites, boycotting OPM will have a huge financial impact. P.S. I love the Dragonball franchise, but for the most part the fights aren't what makes it so fun. Neither is the plot. It's the characters, comedy and the multi-generational worldbuilding. Sure, there's some cool fights, especially when some of the minor characters are involved, but most of my least favorite scenes in the franchise are also battles. Stuff like the Frizea fight which was dragged out to eternity. If you want to see cool and interesting fights, there's many battle shounen who do a better job than Dragon Ball. |
AlcoholicideApr 17, 2019 5:45 PM
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Well, I'm not surprised that you say OPM is feeling like a battle manga. I think every parody manga/anime ends up surrendering to the genre it started off parodying sooner or later. Everything around S2 is completely related to making money with as little effort as possible I mean, that's just talking about the industry as a whole. I doubt anyone thought S2 would be anything more than a cash grab. They would be just deluding themselves. |
| Yea J.C has been pretty poor in terms of animation for the past ~2 years. No surprise OPM is any different |
 'On-Hold' is another way for a completionist to say 'Dropped' |
| There has been one (ONE, eheh) episode aired. Too many threads telling the same shit for just 24 minutes, this one even found its way through to AD. Stop. Calm down. Edit.- Nevermind, there's another episode. So you can have a couple other threads about the matter. After that, stop. |
| New season is awesome people are trippin. |
| Lolicons are scum. BABYMETAL is more metal than Metallica. Naruto is objectively the best anime ever. HxH 99' is decent. HxH 11' is bad. |
Armados said: Pullman said: I mean I haven't seen the new season yet but I'm willing to bet that you're exaggerating when you say stuff like 'there's no animation' or watching it is 'torture'. I've seen a lot of horrendous anime and not many deserve the title 'torture' and you have probably never heard of them. The first season had some of the best TV animation ever, so based on that I expect this new season to just have 'normal' animation like most other TV anime, which people then proceed to call the worst animation ever because they only compare it to season 1. That would fit the pattern of this community. It might even have above average animation. I would expect anything that looks worse than the Boros fight to be met with unjust resentment from the community, because that's how anime fans are. There is also the consideration of whether it really is the fault of JC Staff or whether the production committee is to blame for putting them on an unworkable schedule. Anime fans never look beyond the studio and even blame them for stuff they have no control over, like whether they get hired for more seasons or not. So I wouldn't be surprised if they were blaming the wrong people here as well. That being said, I do agree that the main appeal of OPM season 1 was the great animation. The one joke the show has wasn't enough to carry the show, no matter how much people say it's a 'great comedy'. It really isn't in my opinion, it's just decent as a comedy and a lot of the comedic appeal of season 1 came from the OTT-ness of the script being backed up by the OTT-ness of the animation. So if that is gone, I don't see season 2 being more than a 6/10 for me, at best (S1 was 7/10 for me, tho probably more like a 7.5) Also I'm sure that a bunch of pirates who laugh at the concept of paying for anime, even when it's their favorites, boycotting OPM will have a huge financial impact. P.S. I love the Dragonball franchise, but for the most part the fights aren't what makes it so fun. Neither is the plot. It's the characters, comedy and the multi-generational worldbuilding. Sure, there's some cool fights, especially when some of the minor characters are involved, but most of my least favorite scenes in the franchise are also battles. Stuff like the Frizea fight which was dragged out to eternity. If you want to see cool and interesting fights, there's many battle shounen who do a better job than Dragon Ball. See season 2 yourself if you don't believe me. Episode 2 had less than a minute of decent animation, everything else felt like a slideshow of key frames copied directly from Murata's manga but with inferior shading. I've seen alot of bad animation animes. and OPM S2 feels like one of them - characters are stiff, they blend too often with the background, most of the time there's just mouth movement or repeatable blinking without anything else going on - that's not good animation, heck, its not even decent. Look at Jojo for instance - the anime most of the time doesn't have great animation, most of the time its decent at most, but you actually feel stuff being animated, which isn't the same for S2. It does have some fault related to JC Staff though, they have too many projects and horrible production schedule, its not as if this is the only anime they fucked up the past year. Most characters in DBS are neglected, its mostly the Goku show with sometimes a few scenes of Vegeta. The rest are just background characters at this point, but sure.. if you enjoy that then its your personal taste. not sure why the DB talk suddenly became about DBS only when I just talked about the franchise in general but one of the biggest draws of the last arc of DBS (the tournament of universes) was that a bunch of minor characters were involved and got to do their part and be relevant, from Kame-Sennin to the Androids and a bunch of others who hadn't really been relevant since the early days of Z or even before that. Not to mention all the minor characters from other factions that were introduced during that arc. That kind of stuff is much more fun to watch than 30 episodes of Goku vs Frieza or Goku vs Buu if you ask me Toriyama is great at coming up with new characters and new designs so it's a shame when only a handful of them are relevant for 50 episodes in a row. With a larger cast the individual battles don't last as long, there is a lot of variety and a lot of different, unique character interactions that prevent the viewing experience from becoming repetitive. That's the kind of stuff that really makes the franchise shine. I really loved that arc. edit: I just saw you mentioned Super in the Opening post, I must have missed that. I was just talking about the franchise in general. As for OPM I'll eventually form my own opinion once I binge it, but so far I've seen all kinds of opinions and see no particular reason to believe yours more than those of the people who defend it, no offense. I was just trying to say that it wouldn't surprise me if the criticism was exaggerated because people had too high expectations since it wouldn't be the first time I've seen it happen. Anime fans are as prone to hyping things up as they are to getting disappointed because of that. |
AlcoholicideApr 17, 2019 6:22 PM
| I probably regret this post by now. |
Armados said: However, the OPM s2 adaptation is a complete joke - there's no animation and some obviously inferior drawings. How can you protect them by saying "you should be watching OPM regardless of the animation"? What is there to see? Hahaha i love to see the true colours of the people who like stuff like Boku Aca or OPM. This means that the sole reasons to watch these shows is the animation. I disliked part 1 because of its shitty story and senseless fighting. S2 is far more enjoyable to me. |
Check out my taste and my profile. |
| I find myself in this weird position in which I both agree and disagree with either side of the matter. Surely, the animation isn't great, but it also isn't nearly as bad as people make it out to be. I've seen FAR worse examples of bad animation. OPM2 animation is on the okay-ish scale. The problem I have with the show is, like, everything else. Shot transition is jarring. The timing is so bad. The composition is bland and boring, and they cut a million times to other equally boring shot for no reason. The sound design is trash. Heck, even the voice acting doesn't convey the "soul" of the character. The whole experience feels like someone's reading me the manga, and I ended up unable to have any emotional response. |
JustMonakaApr 17, 2019 6:24 PM
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deg said: Why Do Anime Change Studios Between Seasons? https://www.animenewsnetwork.com/answerman/2017-06-26/.117981 @Pullman @Armados comparing Dragonball and One Punch Man is unfair since One Punch Man is a 1 cour show and you can expect better talented staff and time management on those kind of short shows unlike with long running anime shows that usually have tight production time I never really meant to compare them, I was just having two different discussions at the same time. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| People shit on OPM S2 too much. First off J.C Staff is on an incredibly tight schedule and it was on a low budget. You need to keep in mind the OPM isn’t as popular in Japan so of course season two wasn’t going to be up to the same standards as season 1. But with that being said, J.C Staff have been in a really tight spot lately making lots of anime with an incredibly tight budget. Sure they fucked up a lot of good anime like Index, dal, and opm, but it’s be better than not getting it at all. I find the animation in opm season 2 ok. It isn’t bad, I could even say it is better than average, but comparing a smaller studio like J.C Staff to Madhouse is kind of unfair. You can tell they are really trying with this new season and I’m still enjoying it so they must be doing something right |
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| It was up to anime standard but you forgot madhouse production quality is beyond standard. JC Staff is right , they can animate well but not to that kind of sakuga quality. You should blame the production comiitee for giving the task to JC Staff if you dislike it |
| One Punch Man season 2 is enjoyable and it's not really that bad. And I'd recommend it to anyone who likes watching fights which consist of slide shows. |
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Armados said: The entire reason OPM exploded with popularity is the Madhouse adaptation, otherwise you're left with an amusing fun story, but it doesn't justify torturing yourself by seeing that adaptation though. Its as if you'll say you watch Dragon Ball Super for its story (if you can even consider it to have one), and not just because you like the fights (even though Toei's animation most of the time was completely garbage except for very specific episodes or scenes, but its a story for another day). The best aspect of Dragon Ball Super is the characters imo. DBS in particular has many new characters with very creative designs, such as Hit, Jiren, Toppo, Ribrainne, Monna, etc. |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
Armados said: EndlessMaria said: The best aspect of Dragon Ball Super is the characters imo. DBS in particular has many new characters with very creative designs, such as Hit, Jiren, Toppo, Ribrainne, Monna, etc. Most of them are being forgotten after their initial arc, and then they are just used as a tool to show how the new villain is "so much stronger". Can you really say anything about character development in DBS except for Vegeta? Because I hardly can. Don't get me wrong - plot was never a strong point for Dragon Ball in general, but I remember as a kid enjoying the hell out of Dragon Ball Z and Dragon Ball. Even if I were a kid back when DBS first aired up until this point, I doubt it'd feel the same. Everything feels lazy - from the design of new transformations (simply a hair color change) to the design of the new villians (that don't feel like they have an actual personality, except for maybe Zamasu, I mean, even Jiren's personality changed midway the ToP arc for no reason), and the power scaling is crap more than usual (Goku mastering a technique in 48 minutes after unintentionally using it twice before on the very same 48 minutes, after losing his entire strength several times, being gravely injured, while enemies like Jiren could actually just throw everyone off the stage from the get-go instead of doing stupid meditation and stuff, just so he couldn't use said power later because it was just plot convenience), making the story very unbelievable and not really enjoyable IMO... but to each their own I guess... I wont deny that the writing in DBS has some major issues, but as a long time fan of Dragon Ball, the writing has been mostly nonsense and plagued with problems in everything post Frieza. We can rip apart the plot all day with criticisms but it's really no worse than the issues we had during the Androids/Cell and Buu sagas. A big part of enjoying DB is accepting that it is full of flaws. But hell I'm just a fangirl. |
| ☆☆☆ "There's a huge difference between one and infinity. However, compared to the difference between existence and non-existence, one and infinite are nearly the same. I am the child destined to become the best witch... no... The greatest Creator in the world...!" -Maria Ushiromiya ☆☆☆ |
deg said: Armados said: When a name of a studio appears next to an anime, its the studio that is responsible for its outcome. They're the ones who are supposed to contact good animators or aim for an overall pleasant adaptation, depending on the budget of course, but it is their responsibility. Thinking that just because what really matters is the producer and animators is nice and all, but its their product, so its their responsibility as well. Otherwise they'd be no point in having studios, as they underpay animators and don't manage resources well on many occasions. but do you know that most animators especially talented animators in the anime industry are freelancers? and worse there is an animator shortage crisis going on so there is not enough talented animators to animate all the ever growing anime being produce each year so saying the anime studios are the main problem of it all is oversimplifying things a lot and also just like what One Punch Man season 1 has revealed a director is usually the one contacting and convincing talented animators to join his project though and if you are talking about Madhouse being better then what can you say about the poor animation quality of Boogiepop anime that just recently finished? a lot of the staff of that anime previously is the same staff that did One Punch Man season 1 especially it has the same director too, so aside from a talented staff then more importantly is enough production time since there are reports that Boogiepop got some production schedule issues due to a complain from the light novel artist and anime studios do not control the production time or the deadline that is the decision made by the production committee which are the owners of an anime EDIT: anime studios just mainly provides the production assistants and facilities, equipment like computers, and other tools needed for animation to me anime studio matters more when it comes to original anime works because they are part of the production committee of those kind of anime so the anime studios when it comes to original anime works will be part of the major decision process like giving enough production time But aren't the studios who contact with the directors to begin with? |
| Animation of OPM s2 looks decent enough to me. |
 "All that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost." |
| it's average trash, which compared to the original makes it look like an utter disaster. It's sad, but it is what happens. If you want better animation you can read the manga. pretty good manga btw |
| This should probably be in the One Punch Man Season 2 forum... But, anyway. No, the animation isn't the worst I've seen. I mean, even that's a case of damning by faint praise next to the original, but we'll put that aside. People like to whine about people complaining about the animation, but it really is a big deal, precisely because the original had such stellar animation. This feels like a step down - it is a step down - and in my opinion people are right to feel cheated. If the animation was the only problem, this would still be a shame. But it isn't. The direction is bad - not 'bad compared to Season 1', but actually bad. It constantly cuts away from the impact of blows, instead showing only the impact. The camera either shakes or pans over still images to give the impression of motion, but it doesn't quite work. The pacing is all off, and none of the big impressive moments have time to leave any impact at all. Neither do the jokes - and if you take an action comedy and kill the action and the comedy with poor direction, you're left with an unsatisfying mess. The sound design isn't up to scratch either, but the direction is the big killer. It's a shame - because this is where the plot really kicks into high gear. It deserves the same treatment as Season 1, but it's being shortchanged and half-assed, and it's all the poorer given that we already know how it could have looked. It's still a 7/10 for me (although it may well drop a couple if the direction continues to be this obviously bad), but it could have and should have been a 10/10 like the original. |
| i mainly have issues with the retarded camera angles reminds me of bakemonogatari, i really hate that shit |
| Not a good as Madhouse but still decent to me. |
| It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person. |
| Hey, I know about animation as well! ... |
Please learn about cel animation and its technical process. Learn how special effects and backlighting were done without computers. |
| I don't think anyone was expecting it to look as good as season 1. I know I wasn't. But seriously,it's only had two episodes so far...And I'm sure when I finally decide to watch it,it won't be as bad as people made it sound. |
| It's kinda funny how average-decent production became such a deal breaker in this specific case. Not saying that I don't see where the disappointment is coming from, however, it doesn't change the fact that the circumstances under which OPM2 is judged are pretty unfair to say the least. Never have I seen so many comments in an episode discussion taking every scene apart like for the series in question. But ok, this probably unavoidable when the once biggest strength of the series turns out to be a double edged sword. Btw, even as someone who primarily enjoyed S1 for the great action scenes, S2 is still very enjyoable so far, really like how the story is picking up. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| I'm enjoying one punch man 2 the most in this season. The animation does not have big impact on my enjoyment of one punch man 2, and it does not even look bad (for me). It does not have same animation as season 1, but still looks ok/passable for my eye. I'm glad that we got new season. I rather have more seasons with OK animation than not having any new season at all. . I'm not protecting them. If the anime was boring I would not defend them, but enjoying it a lot and the animation did not bother me or stop me from enjoying it. |
| As somebody who was completely underwhelmed by the first season I'm personally enjoying season 2 a bit more at least on a surface. Granted it's only 2 episodes in and I don't generally care or have any strong opinions about the animation, it's fine to me. |
Armados said: The entire reason OPM exploded with popularity is the Madhouse adaptation Sorry but One Punch Man's popularity boom was triggered by Shueisha's "digital manga". The version redrawn and made dynamic by Murata Yusuke. FMmatron said: It's kinda funny how average-decent production became such a deal breaker in this specific case. I checked out the first episode, wondering how could commoners on this website suddenly see "bad animation/lack of movement" so strongly. Thanks for sparing me the time to write this. |
deg said: That's not what I meant xdno the production committee is the one that choose the anime studio What I meant is: Do Anime studios not decide who will be the director of the show (the show were the studio got contracted for by the committee)? |
| It's not that bad compared to what we see each season. The only reason people complain so much is because they know it could be better compared to 1st season. But if it was just your average show without previous hype weighing on it, the animation wouldn't be such a heated object of discussion. Also, the 1st season was received better because the idea itself felt fresh. Now as we are used to the idea all the possible problems are more obvious. Maybe it didn't need a 2 season at all? So far it seems like the story would be dragging through this conflict or that, battles here and there, all of which I don't particularly care about. It's better as a slice of life show, imo. So action animation doesn't make me all that sad. What worries me more is the storyline and whether it'd be interesting enough. |
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