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zombie_pegasus said: I forgot about Acchi Kocchi. IMO, the top five pure moeblob shows are Lucky Star, Yuru Yuri, Acchi Kocchi, Non Non Biyori and maybe Kiniro Mosaic.MasterHavik said: A-Channel is actually a pretty mediocre moe anime. Acchi Kocchi and Kiniro Mosaic would be better options in my opinion. Non Non Biyori is another good one with a slightly different feel.You have been very thought provoking sir. You have given me a lot to think about and check out. I also should rewatch A-channel since I recall loving that show since it was similar to Lucky Star. |
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| There are certainly CGDCT shows that falls with what you call laziness but people have the same varying entertainment they get from said shows. (I liked Yurur Yuri and Kiniro Mosaic while I dropped Strike Witches)Though, the *meaty* CGDCT are quite numerous. It's just the people with confirmation biases that conclude that just because it's a cute girls show, it has no meat. (K-On and Non Non Biyori are examples of this) |
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kamisama751 said: Kuma said: being crative in limitation is more creative than being creative in liberty... you have to make sure the already abused trope not getting any lower... you have to entertain viewer which can easily got saturated with a very little content can be explored... how the fuck is that not creative? They don't explore anything, rather simple copy and paste though. And the consumers standard is so low they don't even need to care about that. It is just sad. give me example my friend... no, the consumer standard was not even low... in fact, there is more CGDCT series got axed even before animated... sure, there is always certain degree of liked trope, but thats apply to every genre... |
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kamisama751 said: Seems like you don't even know the difference between a shitposter and an elitist. Ah, forgive me then. I will amend my post from "shitposter" to "jackass who puts on a satirical act meant to annoy people" posthaste. I mean, okay, I showed you were you said it yourself earlier so I'll just pull that up again This time I'll even bold it for you, because I'm that nice Lisbon said: kamisama751 said: >for somebody who tries to put up the front of a shitposter What are you talking about? Come on, buddy, you literally did an interview where you spent a decent amount of time talking about a satirical front you put up for the sake of annoying people. How do you think the MAL community sees you? How do you feel about that? I think they see me as a complete asshole since I have done/posted many pretty "controversial" things such as about "objective quality", "attack on train-wreck mistakes". If I look back at my posts from a few months ago then I can see myself behaving kind of like an idiot. Therefore, the hate is understandable. Recently I think I have overdone the satire about elitism where I became an elitist myself. So I have gained even more hate from people on MAL. Of course, there are also a few people who see me differently. How is your posting satire when you actually are an elitist though? Or are you intentionally nudging because of the stigma around elitism? It started as satire but I overdid it and became elitistic afterwards. And yes, I did that in the first place because of the community's altitude about elitism. Now I am on a cool-down from it anyway. damn their altitude about elitism kamisama751 said: I am not responsible for your misunderstanding of something that simple. Also the person it is directed at (ako) didn't even participate in that debate. So how should they get angry? I wonder. If you had even the most basic literacy skills you could tell I was talking about you in broad strokes using that as an example of your dumbass-ery instead of griping at you solely for that specific incident I will make it easier for you to understand this time. it was thing to help me say kamisama is dumbhead Hopefully I'm speaking more your speed now. kamisama751 said: >Especially when you have to stoop to the level of saying "thanks" to people for defending your ridiculous behavior. Appearently thanking other people is not allowed.. Nope. Verboten. |
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Zynol said: That's not the case actually...how many times do I have to say that? If I have had taken the effort to mention cute girls show I like or moe show for this matter then no it isn't because it doesn't fit my taste or that I don't like it. I just find the majority to be lazy, boring, and bland.So I guess OP doesn't like moe then? Okay. I mean, honestly action anime and shounen are pretty lazy too. If you analyze them carefully, they all get pretty repetitive, and the MC has to win almost all battles/fights/etc, because of the sheer fact he's the main character. I mean. We need moe though. It balances out all the mindfuck anime. |
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| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sA3RMNup-E A show that shits over all majority of kids girl show...and it's a kids show and it's made by a girl who created the Gregory Horror Show. You may have never heard of it. But my god this show is so relaxing and chill. I don't get it. How do you go from dark humor like Gregory Horror Show to this? I love it.:) Yeah I like a weird shit keep in mind. Keep in mind I am down for anything. I can try any genre. |
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MasterHavik said: Zynol said: That's not the case actually...how many times do I have to say that? If I have had taken the effort to mention cute girls show I like or moe show for this matter then no it isn't because it doesn't fit my taste or that I don't like it. I just find the majority to be lazy, boring, and bland.So I guess OP doesn't like moe then? Okay. I mean, honestly action anime and shounen are pretty lazy too. If you analyze them carefully, they all get pretty repetitive, and the MC has to win almost all battles/fights/etc, because of the sheer fact he's the main character. I mean. We need moe though. It balances out all the mindfuck anime. give us the example my friend... of course and why... |
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Kuma said: Of a cute girls doing cute things show that I like? Lucky Star, A-channel, and Azumanga Daioh. MasterHavik said: That's not the case actually...how many times do I have to say that? If I have had taken the effort to mention cute girls show I like or moe show for this matter then no it isn't because it doesn't fit my taste or that I don't like it. I just find the majority to be lazy, boring, and bland. give us the example my friend... of course and why... You guys should read the thread properly before commenting. Also watch Pecola. |
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UnpopularAnime said: And action anime are lazy. They just draw a cool looking character, then have him go fight monsters or some other generic creature. Yes. Legend of the Galactic Heroes is also lazy. They just draw a bunch of bishies shouting something like "formation E, fire" and steal music from famous composers. |
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BokuDayo said: ASs Bitch War is also lazy and insulting. That doesn't make it okay though dude. So I don't see why you brought up Ass Bitch War. While yes there are tropes for every medium that shouldn't stop you from doing something different. I mean there is a reason we have so many shows making fun of these tropes.If moe is lazy, then what makes the epitome of generic magic high school light novel like Asterisk war and its spin off? Dude, there are tropes in all genre of all medium. |
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MasterHavik said: Of a cute girls doing cute things show that I like? Lucky Star, A-channel, and Azumanga Daioh. You guys should read the thread properly before commenting. Also watch Pecola. the core of SOL series was the character, their antics, their relationship, it changeand it engaging and it developement...and this was not special to CGDCT... heck, most of sol with plenty of character rely on it (natsume yuujinchou, kimi to boku, ore monogatari, ETC)... now take back a look at both of the name you mentioned... are their character same? are their antics same? are their relationship same? are they developed same? of course not... you critize them as the way it is and want them to make what it not intended to be... sure exception to the rule always exist and majority of storytelling still there (like any genre, seriously)... but i still thinking it's absurd... |
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Kuma said: I don't think so...and this is just my opinion dude. Any genre can pump out something good. I don't like shooting games but I find Bioshock and Splatoon to be amazing games for example. It isn't impossible you just need smart behind it.MasterHavik said: Of a cute girls doing cute things show that I like? Lucky Star, A-channel, and Azumanga Daioh. You guys should read the thread properly before commenting. Also watch Pecola. the core of SOL series was the character, their antics, their relationship, it changeand it engaging and it developement...and this was not special to CGDCT... heck, most of sol with plenty of character rely on it (natsume yuujinchou, kimi to boku, ore monogatari, ETC)... now take back a look at both of the name you mentioned... are their character same? are their antics same? are their relationship same? are they developed same? of course not... you critize them as the way it is and want them to make what it not intended to be... sure exception to the rule always exist and majority of storytelling still there (like any genre, seriously)... but i still thinking it's absurd... |
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| What you call lazy, I would probably call just uninteresting. I think it is what generally happens when there is a trend in the market. The few first products are new and full of potential then others try to imitate them without having some good ideas on their own but doing something "different" just for the sake of being different and not because they have different ideas on how to approach that trend. The thing is that many anime fans want more of the same. Like when asking for anime recommendation they want an anime like "x", or they just want the formula/tropes to be repeated on how they are used to them. In the manga discussion of Shokugeki no Souma I said how I would lik Souma to be expelled from school because that would break expectation and bring new possibilities. However for someone Souma being expelled would mean that the story is over which I disagree with. Another issue is fanservice (not the sexual one) but the "give fans what they want" that seems very strong in Japan according to the OP of the thread "misconception of fanservice". Fans like cute girls so they want more cute girls, sometimes the ones that make anime are fans of that trend so they want to make what they like. However it doesn't mean I just have to accept it and enjoy it if it is not interesting to me. Evangelion's main inspiration is Mazinger Z if I am not mistaken and the finale was inspired by the manga of Devilman. However despite the inspirations he added his touch to the anime and something completely different came out. Others might try to add their own idea and just fail to execute it properly and come out as "lazy" to you but I think it is very hard to determine intentions. If an anime is great it is because the creators put passion and effort into it or it is great just because they were good at doing it? It seems the creators of Shelter put a lot of passion into it yet to me that amount of passion doesn't correspond to the same amount of quality quality. With your line of thought I would consider Madoka magica lazy but many others consider it deep. TL;DR You probably consider them lazy because they are not interesting for you. |
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MasterHavik said: Kuma said: I don't think so...and this is just my opinion dude. Any genre can pump out something good. I don't like shooting games but I find Bioshock and Splatoon to be amazing games for example. It isn't impossible you just need smart behind it.the core of SOL series was the character, their antics, their relationship, it changeand it engaging and it developement...and this was not special to CGDCT... heck, most of sol with plenty of character rely on it (natsume yuujinchou, kimi to boku, ore monogatari, ETC)... now take back a look at both of the name you mentioned... are their character same? are their antics same? are their relationship same? are they developed same? of course not... you critize them as the way it is and want them to make what it not intended to be... sure exception to the rule always exist and majority of storytelling still there (like any genre, seriously)... but i still thinking it's absurd... > oh looks, it's opinion > it's subjective my friend, it can't be criticized > ohh.. you can't make opinion about my opinion bruh.. again, good is opinion as well... how if something i find good doesn't good to you? you labeling them lazy already and treated the writer is lowerthan you... someone will cater to certain trope when another doesn't... that's how is it... CGDCT is no exception.. they just cater to who like them and what trope they... there is nothing wrng with that... |
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kamisama751 said: Appearently overdoing it once means doing it on regular basis. If I look back at my posts from a few months ago then I can see myself behaving kind of like an idiot. Therefore, the hate is understandable. how many times is once kamisama751 said: If you have the most basic literacy skills then you won't have mistaken it as an personal insult in the first place I don't think I said that, at any point, whatsoever. If I did, then I'll say I was wrong about that, since this has been more or less my stance the whole time: I mean, you'd have to be pretty dense to actually believe that people wouldn't take that sort of thing as an attack. Criticism of an opinion it might actually be, but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that people perceive you based on the way you present yourself. And, from what I've seen, this is generally how you present yourself. Purposefully so, as well, which makes seeing you getting this upset kind of delicious, honestly. Especially when you have to stoop to the level of saying "thanks" to people for defending your ridiculous behavior.. My point this entire time has been that you present yourself like a jackass, which I normally wouldn't care about in of itself, but then act like this when people start to huwt your pwecious feelings kamisama751 said: Yet you try to insult me before instead of actually arguing or backing up your statement. At least try to understand the concept of "If you do things in a way to piss people off, they will not be nice to you." It's not very difficult to figure out. Then again, I look at how poorly you're defending yourself and I feel like I might have overestimated your intelligence before coming in and saying something. kamisama751 said: (before yu edited your post and yes, I read it). Errr, I don't think you did, no. Assuming we're talking about this post that I edited, I added this for the sake of trying to be as condescending as I could muster: Purposefully so, as well, which makes seeing you getting this upset kind of delicious, honestly. Especially when you have to stoop to the level of saying "thanks" to people for defending your ridiculous behavior. and turned something along the lines of "I'm assuming your cooldown phase is over?" to this Such cooldown phase. Very wow. Since I thought it sounded better. Although I think I did the latter first and then the former on a second edit, I've slept since then. I think I tooled around with the part I added as well to make it sound nicer at some point as well, but that was grammatical things. And yes, this edit you're about to see is me adding "but that was grammatical things" for clarification's sake. I don't see how those edits can be related to whatever you're talking about. Enlighten me, please, kamisama. kamisama751 said: Also thank you for the insult. Oh, no need, my pleasure entirely. |
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galimx said: I mean, do people really take kamisama751 seriously? Just look at his profile and the text there. I don't think he's serious, no I just wanted to tell somebody that if they want to behave like that and then respond like this whenever people inevitably get mad at them kamisama751 said: Yet you try to insult me before instead of actually arguing or backing up your statement. then they're an idiot Is lording my superiority over an inferior so wrong? :( |
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kamisama751 said: Kuma said: give me example my friend... no, the consumer standard was not even low... in fact, there is more CGDCT series got axed even before animated... sure, there is always certain degree of liked trope, but thats apply to every genre... Though some of them are debatable whether they actually sell on cute girls but I can't really see the difference. These shows are in brackets. Also just because there is a boy in the show doesn't mean they don't. Though my intention was never showing they are ruining anime or anything so don't take the discussion in that direction. not even all of them have same story... let alone character and everything around them.. LMAO.. kamisama751 said: >got axed even before animated It has to do with the quality of shows coming out, not with how much got axed. Rejecting awful scripts and let through shows that aren't horrible (bad and onwards) is still different than rejecting mediocre and worse shows and let through the good one. Maybe their standard isn't sooooooo low but still low. yes, it has nothing to do with the show comeo ut.. however, it showed that the fans it self have their own standard for it, which different that you think... and again, your critics was not more than genrealization steriotype buzzword... kamisama751 said: >there is always certain degree of liked trope, but thats apply to every genre Saying every genre is like this won't deny that this kind of hows is like this. Also tropes aren't the issue, but rather how they just copy and paste it instead of actually doing something with it. > copy paste without something with it lets take the most agreetably bad from all of shows you mentioned... RE-KAN (i even drop them in the 2nd episode already) in the first episode, you've already got "can see what people can't" things... look the mc,.. was she got bad affection becauseof it like most of this trope? author always put her tough on it... you can't even copy paste something 100% because you know.. interpretation and perspective... even if he copy from another, her own interpretation from the original one already make it different... |
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kamisama751 said: Kuma said: not even all of them have same story... let alone character and everything around them.. LMAO.. But using the same elements without improving anything (jokes, personality, ...). of course they not impoving, they are change it... is it improve or not? that's subjective.. but some subjectivity is more accepted than the others...however, determinedonly one thing that you mean "improved" was not that... kamisama751 said: Never said that the fans haven't got a standard, just it is low. if it's low, there should be no one got axed in the first place... also there are tons CGDCT that not sale well there... kamisama751 said: >your critics was not more than genrealization steriotype buzzword Now it is your time to proof it. you mean i have to give detail explanation why of each your example was different?  now, i will take a most popular one, nichijou (disliked idols and haven't watch anything other than love live)...it was all about absurdness, rondomness, and unpredictability... oh not to mention the character quirk and relationship was engagingand full of scream and relatibility... kamisama751 said: Just one element won't change the overall. Other ones (such as the jokes and personalities) however, are. and that's why they are more disliked than the others... that mean you need some degree of quality if you want to be liked... kamisama751 said: what mean not the case? even the joke are same, if the character situation and atmosphere become different,it does become different..Then it is no more copy and paste but rather making it your own, which is not the case here. lets take example, GOD is DEAD joke in nichijou and saiki kusuo are practicly same... but both of them are laughable on it own ways... |
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kamisama751 said: One of course. And where is the problem? I overdid it once a few months ago and stopped. Good to know you never, ever do stuff like this, then, it was only a one off occasion a few months ago. Except here we are, still talking about it. There's your profile, there's the fact that people have come in here trying to defend you by saying "Why take him seriously isn't it pretty obvious he does this as a characterization" blah blah blah. I don't really think of myself as a genius or anything, but you're not going to pull any sort of wool over my eyes like that. If anything, this is the most you've gotten to me here, but only because I'm irritated that you'd think I wouldn't notice these things. Now, before you try to twist the context or completely misunderstand again, I don't know which one, I don't think you overdid here except when you tried to get all defensive when somebody said something slightly unkind to you as if you didn't deserve it or something, which was pretty pathetic all things considered. This is why we are still here, after all. Act how you want, say what you want, think what you want - I have no problems with any of that. You act like a jackass, though, so people are going to treat you accordingly. It's common sense. You try to provoke others, expect to get insulted every now and again. Don't go whining like you were whenever somebody says something not nice when you start acting like you do. Continuing to get defensive of your assholish behavior when you've admitted exactly what you're trying to do with your little schtick in the past isn't helping your case any, I should add. kamisama751 said: Wow, thank you for breaking a chained sentence apart in order to generate a random meaning you want it to take.. This is one of the only responses you've managed to muster that wasn't just >saying how you perceived my response "lol, no, i'm not like that at all, you're wrong for this vague unsupported reason" So of course I'm going to go at length on it. I simply broke it apart into three separate parts and explained why I think you're completely full of it on each part. You said it yourself - it's a chained sentence. I think of it as examining the weak points of each link in the chain, since a chained sentence can be broken apart and examined like that since that heavily implies you're trying to get more than one point across. Just trying to dismiss it as random is only going to make your defense of yourself even more of a catastrophic failure, buddy. It's hard to take YOU'RE JUST TWISTING MY WORDS I DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING LIKE THAT as anything but "I don't have a counterpoint to that, shit." If you want to talk about word twisting... kamisama751 said: My comment is: "If you have the most basic literacy skills then you won't have mistaken it as an personal insult in the first place (before yu edited your post and yes, I read it)" and I am talking about what you wrote here: before you edited it to the comment you got now, where you basically also took the criticism as a personal attack. Where did I take it as a personal attack? I explained my edits, I said that you're just being critical of the mindset, and I said you put yourself across as a jackass as you do so. I did not say criticism = personal attack and I didn't say acting like an asswipe = personal attack. I'm saying you act like an asswipe when you try to get your point across so therefore people get mad at you, and I don't think many people would be able to say that you weren't if they went back and looked at the first page of this thread. Unless, of course, they're just your buddies and are going to try to come to your aid again by saying "not at all lol," since you seem incapable of worming out of this one yourself. Wouldn't be surprised if that happened. I've been prattling endlessly about the crux of the issue being how you present yourself and not the fact that you're criticizing something. If I haven't got that point across yet, then I'm just going to assume you're taking what I say and trying to apply a different meaning of it to better suit your own narrative. Funny how that works out, since you've hardly done anything except accuse me of twisting what you say. People get mad at you when you behave like you do. Such is life. Get tough or don't act like that.= kamisama751 said: >implying criticizing something you like means pissing others off. No, it is totally my fault that they take usual criticism as some kind of personal attacks. *sarcasm Then why do you present yourself in such a fashion if it isn't your end goal to provoke other people? And again, nobody said it was a personal attack and your accusation that I did is just you making up bullshit, to put it bluntly. Did I say you were acting like a jackass? Yes. Did I say that it is entirely understandable why somebody would take it as an attack when you present yourself like you do? Yes. Did I say it was a personal attack against that specific person? If so, I would really just love to see where. It's possible to try to indiscriminately provoke people, which is what I'm trying to say here. You are trying to provoke people, and with the way you tend to present your counterpoints, I'm not just going to take your word for it and pretend that you're just socially inept and can't word anything you say without sounding like a total prick, especially when you've said that you've done things like this on purpose in the past. You are bad at it if you can't handle it when people say not-nice things to you and you should probably stop if you cannot handle it. This has been the core of what I've been saying since my first response to you, and that has not changed. EDIT: I fixed the first quotebox, since when I was breaking it apart I broke it. I also broke apart one long paragraph into two shorter paragraphs. EDIT 2: I took the line "I've been prattling endlessly about the crux of the issue being how you present yourself and not what you're criticizing" and changed it to "I've been prattling endlessly about the crux of the issue being how you present yourself and not the fact that you're criticizing something" since I worded it poorly the first time around, to the point where I misconstrued my own point. All apologies for that blunder. Klassical said: Very entertaining thread. @Lisbon Class A debating skills, you are scary. Keep kicking butts dude. OT: I dont find cute girls shows interesting, i wouldn't call them lazy, they are just not my cup of tea. Thank ya xP I try. |
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galimx said: I mean, do people really take kamisama751 seriously? Just look at his profile and the text there. Cringe. Its funny enough, that most of people like him dont even show their age on profile, because in most cases they are edgy teens who need to show their superiority on a random cartoon site by shitting on random cartoons. But if they are 20+ and doing this, then its just sad. Cringe, circle jerk, baiting, shitposting, trolling, elitist vs casual, old vs new. Welcome to MAL forums. I think people here are forgetting that they are watching cartoons and cartoons are meant to be fun. But no, lets rather continue with the hurr durr baby critics first oneline buzzwords. It's because it's no longer "cool" to perceive anime as entertainment but you have to perceive it as some oh-so-deep-and-misunderstood art form now. This is part of the reason why so many people are obsessed with taste to an autistic (yes, autistic) degree, and call themselves "critics" despite the fact that what they are really doing is lazily spamming buzzwords at whatever popular anime is airing this season. |
| Lol all those people getting TRIGGERED by the revolutionary elitist and shitposter Kamisama751...Such plebs. |
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HyperL said: Lol all those people getting TRIGGERED by the revolutionary elitist and shitposter Kamisama751...Such plebs. I guess I got "trolled" then meh, I feel nothing |
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kamisama751 said: Sure, I must be blamed for criticizing something and others taking it as personal attacks. *sarcasm When you purposely act like an asshole about it, yes Mhm. Totally. That you acted like a prick and then got defensive when people ganged up on you for it It's spineless kamisama751 said: what context do you mean by me going all defensive? Do yu mean I should just insult them back if they try to do it to me? That ain't a good thing, bro. Better than just whimpering like a kicked puppy about people insulting you and not actually fighting with you. Mostly to piss you off, partly because I think it's pathetic how you can try to act like an asswipe, then get defensive of yourself when people say nasty shit to you in turn. But mostly just to try and piss you off. I feel like I'm passing with flying colors in that regard. EDIT: inb4 NO ITS NOT I TOTALLY JUST THINK ITS FUNNY kamisama751 said: Having a different perspective and voicing it is now to be considered personal attack and being jackass if you do it. Lol. Said it 18 million times, you act like an asshole and whenever somebody says something, you just try to hide behind "I'm just criticizing something," like you're doing now. Gotta be really lacking in the testicle department to think that's all fine and dandy. Sure got defensive of yourself for somebody who found it funny, then. Also, don't ask where, I've already showed posts like that 4+ times in this thread and I'm not just going to repeat myself because you lack any sort of reading comprehension. wow I thought you were going to ask this in your response, not the very next question. See above. kamisama751 said: Criticizing is now to be considered to be an asshole-ish behavior. Also, straightly insulting has nothing to do with your past, but rather with how biased those people are in general. No, acting like an asshole and then trying to hide it under the guise of criticizing to try and avoid criticism yourself is asshole-ish behavior Kamisami pls read what you respond to kamisama751 said: You said it yourself - it's a chained sentence. I think of it as examining the weak points of each link in the chain, since a chained sentence can be broken apart and examined like that since that heavily implies you're trying to get more than one point across. ok Then I thought every part of your chain was asinine and I explained why I thought your whole chain was asinine in 3 different parts Now that I've said it that way, maybe you can feel a bit better or something. kamisama751 said: >>before you edited it to the comment you got now Of course you deleted it. No, I can't proof it since you deleted it. I told you how I edited it, but I guess my word won't be good enough for you. Believe what you will, but I stand by my conviction that I said no such thing because I remember what I changed in that post over the course of 3 or 4 edits, which wasn't much honestly. Add 2 sentences. Change one sentence. Fix some grammar problems. The normal things one would run into when writing an overly-long post to somebody who has to have everything spelt out for them as if they're being read a children's book. Again, I said no such thing. Presenting yourself like an asswipe is not a behavior inherent to criticizing something. kamisama751 said: It is funny how some people are just trying to take me down by personal attacks instead of proofing my points otherwise. I find it funny in the inverse, since you just rely on a claim that I edited out an argument I never made while justifying the way you act with "I'M ONLY CRITICIZING THINGS" You can criticize things without acting like a prick to people, like you tend to do and all. kamisama751 said: I present myself as someone criticizing something. Then they take my criticism as personal attacks. Now you're just victimizing yourself. You've technically been in this argument longer than me if we go back to the first page or the top of the second page. Don't start griping at me for off-topic to worm out of it now. don't just sit there and talk mad shit to people because you don't agree with them, or at least try to explain why you think their opinion is shit instead of tossing out quick insults? I mean, if I was as bad as explaining myself as you then I would probably do the same thing, so I don't blame you. Should 90% of what you say even count as a criticism instead of a one-off shitpost? kamisama751 said: They are the one who take it as such (for no proper reason) If you go about saying "Wow, your reasoning sucks and what you like sucks" instead of mustering up an actual criticism then I think that counts as a proper reason kamisama751 said: You only made one (and you actually admitted it) and that's it. All those personal attacks I am talking about was never from you. Where? Indeed Feel very ashamed Now you can actually say I said this. I may be handing you the knife just to spite you instead of saying that I earnestly believe this like you seem to want me to, but actually do something with it this time, this is getting annoying. Make the most of it! I believe in you! kamisama751 said: Since when can't I habdle their personal attacks? Saying they are attacking instead of arguing isn't included. If we're going to start making up arbitrary rules on how we should argue, then I say you can't fall back on the argument where you accuse me of saying criticizing = provoking Well, then I would win this argument, since you can't seem to think up anything else, so I guess that's not very fair. |
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MasterHavik said: _Ako_ said: Lazy as in construct of a narrative. Not base on the actions of a characters but I think you're joking. Though this reminds me of a scene from spongebob that can explain what I mean better.Cute Girls shows are not lazy dude... They're doing something cutely... How on Earth can that be lazy? If you watch a CGDCT show expecting good narrative and super Deep characters development then its your fault, this shows are just mean for you to relax with easy characters |
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Kuma said: Well it becomes a problem when get on sometimes more. I would prefer it not take over the media of anime. Also I'm a critic and a writer I have a right to call something if I think is lazy. I'm not treating the writer lower than me. I'm giving them criticism which from what I know some Japanese writers and creators can't take criticism and get whiny about it.(Sakurai and Anno for example). MasterHavik said: I don't think so...and this is just my opinion dude. Any genre can pump out something good. I don't like shooting games but I find Bioshock and Splatoon to be amazing games for example. It isn't impossible you just need smart behind it. > oh looks, it's opinion > it's subjective my friend, it can't be criticized > ohh.. you can't make opinion about my opinion bruh.. again, good is opinion as well... how if something i find good doesn't good to you? you labeling them lazy already and treated the writer is lowerthan you... someone will cater to certain trope when another doesn't... that's how is it... CGDCT is no exception.. they just cater to who like them and what trope they... there is nothing wrng with that... Let me also give you a premise of my story. "Modern day Chicago. We shall follow the story of a half human half fairy as she juggles the daily life of school, being a pro boxer, and doing singing gigs. The life of this young lady isn't an easy one but she will have lots of help on the way. What will she decide at the end of day? Follow in her mother's footsteps and become an amazing boxer? Or follow her own dreams and become a singer." I haven't came up with a new for it yet, but I got characters already set up and artwork of all of them.:) |
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badwolf45f said: But here is a thing we already had shows like that and better and getting more of the same is pointless when many moe shows have struck while the iron is hot. I mean it has gotten dumb to a point there is show about cute girls eating and trying different types of bread? You can't keep using those excuses to defend this genre we get a show off nearly every season and has kind of still got a vice grip on the market. MasterHavik said: Lazy as in construct of a narrative. Not base on the actions of a characters but I think you're joking. Though this reminds me of a scene from spongebob that can explain what I mean better. If you watch a CGDCT show expecting good narrative and super Deep characters development then its your fault, this shows are just mean for you to relax with easy characters I mean this was the problem some people had with cartoonnetwork currently where they would air is stupid is very loud and annoying comedies with no depth. Granted some of these shows are good. (Gumball and Uncle Grandpa). But it isn't something you should always keep pounding because people will get bored. |
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CrustyRolls said: I never asked for shows like that at all during this thread. I even linked the intro to a show I'm currently watching that shits all over them and it's not even deep but the characters in the show have meat to them. It's called Pecola by the way if you're wondering. But yes I would take a silly kids show about a CGI brat simpson like penguin dude over Cute girls in skirts doing something random. Not everyone wants to watch deep or complicated shows all the time. Sometimes people need a break from watching heavier stuff like Code Geass and Erased. I did used to think cute girls/guys doing cute things was pretty dumb until I started watching High School Earth Defense Club Love. Are people not allowed to have guilty pleasures anymore? Like browsing through the "steamy" category on Netflix, and eating Pop Tarts? The thing that makes these shows lazy, boring, and bland is that they don't give the characters meat and use the same jokes. They don't do anything new. I don't want a deep plot but maybe you try making some original characters and not thinking a character trait is someone eating rice or bread. It's like someone wrote the master list of how to do these shows and people just copy it. I mean at least Show by Rock has meat to their characters. There is a reason it has somewhat of a decent fanbase. |
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