| That's not baiting, that's an honest opinion. Death Note popularity didn't come out of nothing. |
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cupc said: I don't even know what to say to someone who says Death Note is better executed and better accomplished, when it has literally the worst 3rd half I've seen in a series. Whatever *shrug* I get that DN has more appeal though. Can't argue against that. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
skyzblue said: cupc said: I don't even know what to say to someone who says Death Note is better executed and better accomplished, when it has literally the worst 3rd half I've seen in a series. Whatever *shrug* I get that DN has more appeal though. Can't argue against that. You say nothing. Because DN is better accomplished than Monster. Monster episode 4 Monster episode 38. Yeah, Monster is clearly better accomplished. Omg, Johan so evil genius XDD sick character !!11. Draggy, draggy. Shrug indeed. |
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AnpanLass said: Would someone one please tell me why this has suddenly turned into a Clannad debating page? I thought this was meant to be a discussion about other overrated and underrated anime, not Clannad. Seriously, I've looked through about 5 or 6 pages recently and almost all of it is "Clannad, Clannad Clannad" This is just one anime everyone's talking about that has taken up more pages than it should. What the heck people? :/ At least it's not One Piece, Naruto, and Bleach lol |
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AnpanLass said: Would someone one please tell me why this has suddenly turned into a Clannad debating page? I thought this was meant to be a discussion about other overrated and underrated anime, not Clannad. Seriously, I've looked through about 5 or 6 pages recently and almost all of it is "Clannad, Clannad Clannad" This is just one anime everyone's talking about that has taken up more pages than it should. What the heck people? :/ Clannad is just that underrated. |
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jal90 said: I agree, tsud. That scene should be immediately resolved with Tenma shooting a bullet on Johan, and miss the point it makes that Tenma isn't actually able to kill anybody despite how blatantly he shouts it. Because as Johan proves, murder is something that any guy can do everyday, it's not like it's a moral/emotional extreme or anything. Don't give me that please. That is one of the weakest writing I've ever seen. This belongs to a children book. That cookie cuter cliche moral conflict. Ironic you say that, since he shot Roberto just before it (I already know how you are going to respond to this, so spare me please). What a pointless ass journey and goal. |
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DrGeroCreation said: Gankutsuou>Monster> Death Note Count> Johan > Light Monster >>>>>>>>>>>>> Death Note => Gankutsuou. L>>> Johan >>>>>>Count >>>>>>>>>>>> Light. |
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tsudecimo said: jal90 said: I agree, tsud. That scene should be immediately resolved with Tenma shooting a bullet on Johan, and miss the point it makes that Tenma isn't actually able to kill anybody despite how blatantly he shouts it. Because as Johan proves, murder is something that any guy can do everyday, it's not like it's a moral/emotional extreme or anything. Don't give me that please. That is one of the weakest writing I've ever seen. This belongs to a children book. That cookie cuter cliche moral conflict. Ironic you say that, since he shot Roberto just before it (I already know how you are going to respond to this, so spare me please). What a pointless ass journey and goal. Throwing labels is not going to replace arguments, you know. So come on, expand. Anyway, I was surprised as well that you didn't mention Roberto. Because that was indeed a weak point of the character and the series in general. But precisely, because it was brought out of convenience; Tenma acted colder than he would do in a situation like this and how it has been shown through the whole series. At the risk of looking like one of your stereotypical "Johan is a genius!! Best character eva*!", I'd say that yes, it's Johan who makes this scene significant, and he is the catalyst for Tenma's erratic behaviour. From the very moment he puts a finger on his forehead and plays with the emotions of Tenma, being able to win him by exposing his weakness. Actually, scratch what I said before. Because there isn't a single moral issue playing in there, in an extreme situation. It's a damn psychological and emotional thing of a character being overwhelmed and at the same time tempted to do something he's actually scared to do. * Oh, and Azumanga indeed is not as popular as it should be. Actually I think it has been decreasing over the years, I remember it having a 8.3 rating when I came and being among the top200. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
MellowJelloMay 12, 2014 3:46 AM
jal90 said: Throwing labels is not going to replace arguments, you know. So come on, expand. [....] There is nothing to expand upon. Whether you wanna explain that scene as Tenma moral conflict to kill someone, or Johan intimidating Tenma and Nina psychologically, it doesn't matter. Both of these are instances of very bad writing, albeit the later is much worse and more unacceptable to me. That scene only undermined Johan character. It did not make me think ''oh wow so amazing and intimidating'', it made me think that the anime is trying it's hardest to make Johan seem as profound force of intimidation, control and manipulation, sacrificing realism and common sense in the process. It was predictable to the point where I thought that they can't possibly do that, but then again considering the length of the series, I shouldn't have questioned my prediction. Another big problem from that scene and how it played out, is that it rendered everything Tenma went through from their meeting in episode 4, utterly pointless. If one where to throw away his life and dedicate it in order to kill someone, if one where to go through a lot of hardships just to face that someone again, if one where to have the conviction and resolve to shoot someone before that scene only to not do the same thing for the person who is the goal of his journey, then I fully expect for him to kill that said someone unless there is a good reason for it not happening, and there was none in that scene. And that's just bad writing and frankly just stupid. I can not suspend my disbelief when something goes against any kind of logic in reality or in the series itself and for no good reason. If you think that was a good scene or a scene that helped Johan's character in any way then I have nothing really to discuss or counter point here or want to discuss for that matter. That was simply bad, and plot convenience at it's worst, and a horrible reason to prolong a story that just feels pointless. jal90 said: Oh, and Azumanga... I started it yesterday, was liking it, until Osaka came in. I stopped in the second episode. I thought she would be funny based on your avatar but.. |
tsudecimoMay 12, 2014 3:23 AM
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| Johan wasn't a realistic character model from the beginning, so I don't know why did you expect him to behave like a realistic character. He is an extreme. In a similar way actually than Yagami Light being such a fast-thinker that nobody (except for L) can follow him, now that we're going with the Death Note comparison. A great deal of the premise of Monster is making a character who can't be followed, who is always ahead. A character whose nature is perfected, who is able to understand and manipulate the feelings of the rest and at the same time repress their own. But I'm not saying anything new in here: it is clear as soon as he is called monster, meaning that he lacks any sign of human weakness and at the same time he's able to take advantage of human weakness. This was a good scene to me because it showed how far Tenma was from actually achieving his objective, due to the fundamental difference between these two. Profound? Well, whatever you want to call it. It's simply shows that Johan is out of reach for him, and that's a very simple idea. Johan can manipulate Tenma, but the other way can't happen. And I think that the point of the show is that you can only defeat the monster if you become like him. tsudecimo said: I started it yesterday, was liking it, until Osaka came in. PLZ STAHP Even if I don't expect you and your Confirmed Shit Taste™ to like Osaka as much as I do, the second episode is only an introduction to the character, where her main traits are exposed. You have only started digging into her absurd logic, so be patient. Anyway I don't know how will you like this, because one of the essential points about the comedy of Osaka is that everything is slowed down around her to fit her very own wavelength. If you are not into conveniently slow pacing, it can be a chore. |
jal90May 12, 2014 3:46 AM
| Just a few of me thoughts~ UNDERRATED "Hoshi no Koe" - For a third of the length and coming 5 years prior to 5cm per second, this show is (imo) of greater quality. A 25 minute gem that had me staring at the screen afterward for 5 minutes, just... thinking. "Pale Cocoon" - If Hoshi no Koe had me staring at the screen for 5 minutes, this had me lying on my bed staring at the ceiling for an hour. "Switch" - Although this OVA is only really a manga promoter, I personally like it better than the manga, even if it is just a slice. The art, story, characters and setting are all great, really not much to complain about. If you want to feel a similar vibe to Death Note (minus the supernatural) without having to rewatch it, watch Switch. "Kemonozume" - A love story like no other. Just watch it, it needs some more love! OVERRATED "Kuroshitsuji" - If you want an old European setting blended into supernatural themes, watch Pandora Hearts instead. "Elfen Lied" - Nyuu "Robotics;Notes" - Everyone wanted it to be the next Steins;Gate, but ended up being little better than Chaos;Head. "Magi" - Just another battle shounen, it really is nothing special. First season was alright, but like I said, it had been done before in many ways.. I liked it more before the major powerups the second season brought in, but it's unfortunately drowned itself in a pool of cliche. |
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tsudecimo said: skyzblue said: cupc said: I don't even know what to say to someone who says Death Note is better executed and better accomplished, when it has literally the worst 3rd half I've seen in a series. Whatever *shrug* I get that DN has more appeal though. Can't argue against that. You say nothing. Because DN is better accomplished than Monster. Monster episode 4 Monster episode 38. Yeah, Monster is clearly better accomplished. Omg, Johan so evil genius XDD sick character !!11. Draggy, draggy. Shrug indeed. Why he says nothing should be obvious to you.After reading "atleast LoGH got fanbase but Monster got no fanbase" comment it is clear he is basically too try hard.He should look at its ratings and stats before making half assed generalization. |
Mauseum said: how is something everybody hated overrated?"Robotics;Notes" - Everyone wanted it to be the next Steins;Gate, but ended up being little better than Chaos;Head. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
JizzyHitler said: Mauseum said: how is something everybody hated overrated?"Robotics;Notes" - Everyone wanted it to be the next Steins;Gate, but ended up being little better than Chaos;Head. From people I've talked to, most thoroughly enjoyed it. Maybe I've been talking to a biased sample of the population, ha |
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FGAU1912 said: Zhuge Liang sure did well with those Five Northern campaigns. Whoops.Zhuge liang>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Count...............Johan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Light Confirmed for overrated. |
FGAU1912 said: DrGeroCreation said: Gankutsuou>Monster> Death Note Count> Johan > Light Zhuge liang>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Count...............Johan>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Light Is this your own subjective opinion? Or is it based on how well their respective shows did in Japan? |
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Hulmy said: You know what I think an underrated anime is? Vividred operation. Like... I thought it was pretty damn good, but honestly, I have never seen it being discussed at all. Is it that unknown? The whole "friendship is one of the best things in the world" deal was awesome. Loli butts the anime is a turn off for people who don't like having fun. I've had it in my backlog for awhile just never got around to it...or countless other series. |
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hybreezy said: Hulmy said: You know what I think an underrated anime is? Vividred operation. Like... I thought it was pretty damn good, but honestly, I have never seen it being discussed at all. Is it that unknown? The whole "friendship is one of the best things in the world" deal was awesome. Loli butts the anime is a turn off for people who don't like having fun. I've had it in my backlog for awhile just never got around to it...or countless other series. I'll admit I was part of that cool crowd. But for real, it probably would have benefited from not shoving flat asses in our faces at every frame. Although compared to Strike Witches it was fairly tame, but it felt like it belonged in that because WWII pantsu. Another one that gets heavily overlooked for loli service is Kodomo no Jikan. It really does have some interesting themes and ironically the underlying message is 100% opposite of the ecchi it provides (that children cannot be sexual). tsudecimo said: Omg, Johan so evil genius XDD sick character !!11. Draggy, draggy. Shrug indeed. Johan isn't evil though, it's got nothing to do with trying to be edgy. Monster literally has some of the most brilliantly subtle themes in anime. |
ZekkenshinMay 12, 2014 6:41 AM
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Ratohnhaketon said: Johan isn't evil though, it's got nothing to do with trying to be edgy. Monster literally has some of the most brilliantly subtle themes in anime. lol not evil really? |
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hybreezy said: lol not evil really? It's certainly not to say he was any good either. But he's far from a relatable character for angsty teens who hate the world. Johan's ultimate goal was far more than that, and it really helps to explain just how gray a character he was (granted a very dark gray). I don't really have time to expand but his ultimate aim was - Monster Spoiler: |
ZekkenshinMay 12, 2014 7:35 AM
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| Was pleasantly surprised at Psycho Pass. The last (3?) eps seemed a bit lackluster and the pacing spun out of control, but on the whole a VERY entertaining series. I enjoyed this more than F/Z. Whether that makes one overrated, one under, or both over...can't decide, although I'm leaning toward the third. Another great villain though and pretty good world building. I'd hoped for better character focus on those in the cast (Kogami and Ginoza esp) and less superfluous/heavy-handed thematic asides, a la literature quotes ad nauseum. But hey, instead of killing them all off in the last four seconds, they instead referenced my Username. F yeah LOL! |
DouluoMay 12, 2014 7:55 AM
Sung-Hwan said: JizzyHitler said: Sung-Hwan said: well don't you think that logic your using to judge them is equally as illogical as the "trolls" you percieve them asBecause Brotherhood is probably as mainstream as it gets, but trolls or other kinds of people hate anything that is mainstream, no matter what it is. If it is popular, it's bad. That is their logic and it kills me. It's true. They're everywhere, but you can't see them because they're anonymous. Plenty of examples. Clannad going down rapidly in rankings, Gintama's many false 10/10 votes, LoTGHs 300 troll votes that affect it due to its low viewership, and of course, Fairy Tail 2014's rocket speed decline (notice the 1/10s). There is much more I probably don't know of but you get where I am coming from. The way rankings work. People will make accounts to up vote their favorite anime and down vote anything that threatens its security. There was a time I took MAL's rankings seriously, but found out how it worked later. Woah there! All the top anime get a bunch of false 10/10 votes (some more than others), though stuff like Gintama and especially LotGH also have a larger percentage of 1's because they aren't as popular (and are fairly "niche" among the anime community). It would be a lot easier to believe that the more popular shows (with larger fanbases) will vote troll "10's" more often. If this thread is anything to go by, then I've noticed that a lot of "fake" accounts have been dropping the scores for stuff like Gintama and LotGH (as well as the occasional Clannad and Shingeki) while boosting FMA and Steins;Gate (and Kill La Kill from what I've noticed), though there are some that just put 1's for everything as well. |
SolosMay 12, 2014 7:59 AM
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SolBlade said: The thing is the fake 1s can be easily found and reported but not the 10s, nobody bothers even searching for the 10s. Who knows in that way if any anime are actually pushed down by troll votes or if they were pushed up them in the first place and they haven't offset them yet.Woah there! All the top anime get a bunch of false 10/10 votes (some more than others), though stuff like Gintama and LotGH also have a larger percentage of 1's because they aren't as popular (and are fairly "niche" among the anime community). It would be a lot easier to believe that the more popular shows (with larger fanbases) will vote troll "10's" more often. If this thread is anything to go by, then I've noticed that a lot of "fake" accounts have been dropping the scores for stuff like Gintama and LotGH (as well as the occasional Clannad and Shingeki) while boosting FMA and Steins;Gate (and Kill La Kill from what I've noticed), though there are some that just put 1's for everything as well. |
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IntroverTurtle said: SolBlade said: The thing is the fake 1s can be easily found and reported but not the 10s, nobody bothers even searching for the 10s. Who knows in that way if any anime are actually pushed down by troll votes or if they were pushed up them in the first place and they haven't offset them yet.Woah there! All the top anime get a bunch of false 10/10 votes (some more than others), though stuff like Gintama and LotGH also have a larger percentage of 1's because they aren't as popular (and are fairly "niche" among the anime community). It would be a lot easier to believe that the more popular shows (with larger fanbases) will vote troll "10's" more often. If this thread is anything to go by, then I've noticed that a lot of "fake" accounts have been dropping the scores for stuff like Gintama and LotGH (as well as the occasional Clannad and Shingeki) while boosting FMA and Steins;Gate (and Kill La Kill from what I've noticed), though there are some that just put 1's for everything as well. I think we've discussed this before but I can see what you mean. They can be found occasionally through accounts that downvote one series and upvote another at the same time (the kind that only use 1's and 10's) but aren't bothered with as often though they should be taken care of as well. OT: I also think Digimon Tamers is underrated. For a show aimed at children, this has some rather powerful themes. I can even say that it's a deconstruction of the series (or kid's shows in general) in certain aspects. |
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Zergneedsfood said: They referenced Proust also? Real. Yeah, considering I was ready for the proverbial Urobutcher ending, consider my surprise: Swann's Way. Wasn't my favorite of the seven books, but I'll take it LOL. One I do think is underrated though: Pale Cocoon |
DouluoMay 12, 2014 8:17 AM
jal90 said: the second episode is only an introduction to the character, where her main traits are exposed. You have only started digging into her absurd logic, so be patient. Anyway I don't know how will you like this, because one of the essential points about the comedy of Osaka is that everything is slowed down around her to fit her very own wavelength. If you are not into conveniently slow pacing, it can be a chore. That was my problem, the slowing down of things. I will give it more episodes. |
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Mauseum said: Just a few of me thoughts~ UNDERRATED "Pale Cocoon" - If Hoshi no Koe had me staring at the screen for 5 minutes, this had me lying on my bed staring at the ceiling for an hour. "Switch" - Although this OVA is only really a manga promoter, I personally like it better than the manga, even if it is just a slice. The art, story, characters and setting are all great, really not much to complain about. If you want to feel a similar vibe to Death Note (minus the supernatural) without having to rewatch it, watch Switch. OVERRATED "Kuroshitsuji" - If you want an old European setting blended into supernatural themes, watch Pandora Hearts instead. "Magi" - Just another battle shounen, it really is nothing special. First season was alright, but like I said, it had been done before in many ways.. I liked it more before the major powerups the second season brought in, but it's unfortunately drowned itself in a pool of cliche. I agree. Wish Switch would get a full series. It's just like Psycho Pass and could be even better just based off those two OVA episodes. Magi's second season was so much better, only for a few episodes though. I was gonna give it an 8 but then the last episodes were just typical shounen fights. Kuroshitsuji catered to Fujoshi more than telling its story. It really showed off what it can do (in the earlier episodes) with the epic murder and action scenes (it felt like Baccano) but then it became filler after filler. TLDR, it's overrated. |
Sung-Hwan said: Was the Steins;Gate movie overrated Yes. |
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Proust said: Was pleasantly surprised at Psycho Pass. ... and pretty good world building. How 'bout them hyper oats? http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1362/09/1362094733427.jpg |
fst said: Proust said: Was pleasantly surprised at Psycho Pass. ... and pretty good world building. How 'bout them hyper oats? http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1362/09/1362094733427.jpg I always thought of cereal when Makishima mentions that. |
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PremiumCascade said: Shinsekai yori is bit underrated from what i heard i wont say its the greatest thing ever but its intriguing and a lot better than most series that are considered good like AoT which is overrated It has rating 8.50 what is extremely high in mal. So I don't myself think that Shinsekai yori is underrated. |
| I wonder why some shows in the top 100 are considered underrated |
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| Shinsekai yori is neither underrated or overrated. But it has become one of the most frequent anime to be considered underrated in this thread. |
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LAOG said: Shinsekai yori is neither underrated or overrated. But it has become one of the most frequent anime to be considered underrated in this thread. That and Ping Pong. |
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fst said: Proust said: Was pleasantly surprised at Psycho Pass. ... and pretty good world building. How 'bout them hyper oats? http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/a/image/1362/09/1362094733427.jpg Yeah that was a little...unexpected considering his earlier engagements. Suddenly, farmer John. Ok. |
Praland said: I wonder why some shows in the top 100 are considered underrated Because Gintama will always be rated higher than their favourites |
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TobiOrNotTobi said: Another is somewhat overrated. Explain. I've heard a lot of reasons why people think it's not very good, but Another is on the low side anyway and I don't think the reasons I have heard justify a rating lower than 8 (by MAL). |
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