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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- The action in this episode compared to the stuff earlier in the series is like Streetfighter 1 compared to Streetfighter 2 Turbo. It was intense and made me feel like I was trippin'. (oO) Poor Lalah. Although it was lame seeing Amuro all normal and laughing back on the ship. I hate inconsistent writing. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| Yeah Amuro vs. Lalah (and Char) was really intense, a great battle. Amuro has really improved significantly thanks to being a Newtype, great development of his abilities. |
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| Honestly, Lala was already getting on my nerves so that was a good development xD |
| Yeah I'm liking the mindfuck angle of the recent episodes as well. |
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| Amuro vs. Lalah and Char was definitely the best fight so far, no other fight in this anime comes even close imo. The newtype moment was pretty sweet too. |
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| That fight was mindblowing. This had to be the most intense and trippiest episode so far. |
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| Lulz, bit trippy. Wut? A kiss from Char? I'm slightly envious xDxDxD |
| 頭脳は子供、見た目は大人！ ƪ(˘⌣˘)ʃ |
| It's nice to see Char's softer side with Lalah or with Sayla~ Lalah vs. Amuro was awsome and epic~ I wonder what holds this series for the las 2 episodes~ |
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| *sniff* Laaaaalaaaah!!! Char's reaction to her death was not what I expected... We'll probably see the full extent over the next 2 eps.. |
| I have to wonder about Amuros reaction on the ship. If its just bad writting or if its a lead in of him suppressing all his emotions. |
Sabinlerose said: I have to wonder about Amuros reaction on the ship. If its just bad writting or if its a lead in of him suppressing all his emotions. Same here... |
| Even when I was in crowd, I was always alone |
Sabinlerose said: I have to wonder about Amuros reaction on the ship. If its just bad writting or if its a lead in of him suppressing all his emotions. To me it is more likely his suppressing of all his emotions. In spite of his grief over killing Lalah, he has become a much stronger and more determined fighter by this point - even more than both Lalah and Char, so I think this is reasonable. Overall, I couldn't stand this episode except the very end. Lalah Sune is the worst made character in the show to me. It's unreasonable for her to still win the moral argument against Amuro, who HAS AN ENTIRE PLANET TO PROTECT, unlike Lalah Sune who kills other lives just for one single ruthless masked man. Had she not died, she would probably continue doing so to innocent lives for Char Aznable, too. |
raidenwarriorJun 28, 2015 8:57 PM
| Great ep ^^ R.I.P. Lalah :) |
| Apparently I'm the only one who found the supposedly philosophical discussion between Lalah and Amuro to be completely ridiculous and mind-boggling, and just stupid, really. Also, characters magically developing romantic feelings for other characters just before their demise seem to be a running theme in this show. jimboli92 said: He has?I actually considered the case that Char is not actually romantically interested in Lallah, that he is just manipulating her for his purposes - evidence being that he only seemed to express anger and not sadness when she died. I highly doubt this, though. He has shown himself to be a man of character. |
| Good episode. I really like the psychological bits here...particularly the ocean shots. As far as the dialogue. I honestly found it strange as well that Lalah said Amuro isn't fighting for anyone when he's fighting for the White Base. Still, it was a pretty memorable scene that has ramifications for both of our main characters. Beatnik said: Poor Lalah. Although it was lame seeing Amuro all normal and laughing back on the ship. I hate inconsistent writing. Also, this. It kind of cheapened it all to me. But, maybe Sabinlerose was on the right track in thinking he may be suppressing his emotions. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| I didn't believe Char really did love Lalah until he cried out after her death. Even then, he seemed more frustrated than anything. I'm still assuming he has just been using her all this time. Well, if Zeon lost their New Type, they've lost. Nothing can stop Amuro. D: I kind of burst out laughing hysterically at the "do you think we were destined to meet" pseudo-deep conversation between Lalah and Amuro. The way they were talking and the abstract representations of everything...Erh, I can't take every bit of this anime seriously but I do love it so. I know Char kissed Lalah, so she was fated to death before the end of the episode, but nooo. Why couldn't it have been Amuro? He lacks the stylish flair of the Zeon. |
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| In my opinion, that was the best episode of the series (unless the last two episodes somehow top it). That crazy imagery put Evangelion to shame, and the animation was superb. The fight between Lalah and Amuro was beautifully choreographed, and much of the emotion fit well with the scenes. These last couple episodes incorporating space battles have been really good, it's too bad much of the earlier content was pretty poor. I hope Zeta is a lot like this. |
| This is starting to go to pretty mindscrewy. Has Lalah and Amuro met sometimes before or was it just newtype connection that let them know their name? Sad thing to see miss creepy eyes to die. His arguments about Amuro having no one to defend was pretty weird since he has White Base and it's crew to defend. |
| I was liking the conversations between Lalah and Amuro. This battle has been rather good. Kinda hard to keep up with who was who. I really don't like the mirror thing either side uses. Just don't see that happening at all and one of the lamest weapons I have seen. (The way it was used) These New Type things have been annoying. It was enough that one person was one. Now it is like everyone is one like some kinda disease. |
parfaited said: Idk how you guys thought this was beautiful. It was all over the damn place. I liked the battle but that sequence where Lalah and Amuro are a psychedelic acid trip while trying to be all philosophical felt so out of place. Instead of taking in the moment I was laughing through the whole thing. Even worse when Char is like "Lalah stop playing around with Amuro!" Yeah, pretty much this. Overall, I feel that the writers had lots of good ideas for Lalah but somewhat completely screwed her character (being all philosopical & moralistic an' shit with Amuro when she herself turned into a freaking killing machine, let alone the CharxLalah moment that felt extremely uncalled for and out of place). The fact that I was totally spoiled by the goddam preview didn't help, either. However, I've really been enjoying the trippy feeling and imagery provided by the last couple of episodes as well as Amuro's recent development (except the thing with Lalah: they spent so little time actually interacting with each other that I just couldn't buy the romantic/platonic/whatever feelings they seemed to have by the end). And the fight was really intense and definitely the best of the series so far. Excepting a lot from the last two episodes! |
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| Lalah's moments with Amuro communicating were a bit tripping and scary. I just love the radical change the show suffered ever since the White Base went back to space. Now I love the show. |
| Rewatching this scene, I can't help but find this to be beautiful, but I can admit that the show getting canceled really hurt the story & the pacing. Anyways this was the scene that made Amuro into what he is and what he believes in since after he escaped the colony and landed on Earth he's been fighting just 'cause, but after his newtype powers connected with Lalah he realizes that after humanity evolves(into Newtypes) that one day everyone will understand each other and no longer have to fight, since he and lalah were able to understand each other, and he hangs on to this ideal up until CCA. Rewatch the scene here and read the dialogue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AjNBZkF0xiM |
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| this was definitely the best episode in the series, the show is definitely ending on a high note if this episode is anything to go off of i felt really bad when lala died, for her amuro and char. Action was top notch and is probably the most into a fight i have been for this series. heres hoping the final 2 episodes top this |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
Bump809 said: its because the series was cancelled and they had to piece together a new finale to end things. The original draft had some drastically different situations than we get(and personally They dont seem anywhere near as good)I thought this episode was really rushed. They just brushed through a lot of stuff with Lalah, Amuro, Char, Kycilia, newtypes and the WB crew. It was a little rushed in past episodes, but in this one it really showed. |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
| What an amazing episode ;( So many emotions i don't know where to start! First off, i'm amaze how the crew just went along with the Newtype and didn't questioned it. Wow Lalah and Char kissed!! Guess she's more than a sister to you Char :P And what about your real sister?? You know Sayla who you almost killed in battle!! Amuro vs Lalah part 2!!! The battle was intense, they really put everything on this!!! So Sayla, Mirai and Char could possible be Newtypes as well!?! Man if Lalah didn't stop Char, he could have killed Sayla right on the spot. And yeah these philosophical scenes would have made sense if Amuro had more develop time with Lalah. I honestly wish they should have made Amuro interacted and fell in love with her when Amuro saw her right near his father's house. They could have talk a lot of things and what is life and what they truly believe on what their fighting for. Then meeting on battle, it would have made sense if they fight since both are fighting for what they believe for. Lalah screaming as she dies was painful as hell T___T Even Char was about to cry back there. As for the after battle, i think Amuro and Char are just holding their emotions since the battle is not yet over. They could have at least made Amuro and Char weep a little even for a minute. "That is the light of hatred!!!" Last 2 episodes!! T__T It does feel rush, but i don't blame the team since Bandai are fucking idiots for not letting them finish the show just because the main toyline isn't selling as they used to be. I hope for the best for the last two episodes! |
| I agree that some moments felt kinda awkward and rushed but nonetheless it was an amazing episode. |
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| While the psychological imagry was nicely animated, it seemed a bit out of place and didn't have any real apparent meaning. Still... for 1980, it was pretty nicely done. I mean, perhaps it's just showing Amuro's slow descent into madness after killing Lalah? Speaking of that, I'm not a fan of *another* random love subplot popping up right before someone gets killed. Anyway, I guess let's see how crazy Amuro ends up becoming for the last two episodes. |
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| 5/5 for Lalah's death scream. Top quality scream right there. Intense action too. This is what I've been waiting for. |
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| Wow, this was seriously the best episode so far. Amuro really came into his own. Did you guys catch how Amuro stopped Char from killing Sayla with his beam sabre? And that one part where everyone had that newtype spark consecutively. Good god I have chills. |
| いっぺん死んでみる？ |
Vaanskylord said: Wow, this was seriously the best episode so far. Amuro really came into his own. Did you guys catch how Amuro stopped Char from killing Sayla with his beam sabre? And that one part where everyone had that newtype spark consecutively. Good god I have chills. Since Sayla is Char Aznable's sister, I'm not sure if he really intented to kill her, but that part you mentioned is truly awesome. As mentioned in my own comment, Amuro has grown into a strong man by this point. |
| I don't think Amuro developed romantic feelings. Rather, I think it was more of a connection unique to newtypes. He probably felt her feelings; he might have even felt her die, which I imagine could be rather traumatizing. I'm not sure about the whole "fated to meet" or "controlling time" stuff, but the rest of their talk showed how narrow-minded Lalah was, imo. I don't think she understood Amuro or what he was fighting for at all despite the "neural link". As for Char, it's hard to say whether he actually felt anything for Lalah or not. I think there's a fair argument for either case given everything we've seen of them. How ironic and sad it would have been had Char killed his own sister. I wonder whether Lalah was trying to prevent him from doing that, or if she saw that the Gundam would damage him if he did. In any case, it was a spectacular battle. I'm looking forward to the finale. |
| jesus christ this episode WHY DID LALAH HAVE TO DIE FUCK, NOW SHE WON'T BE IN ZETA GUNDAM Beatnik said: Although it was lame seeing Amuro all normal and laughing back on the ship. I hate inconsistent writing. I don't know about you but it felt like Amuro's been maturing the more his Newtype abilities develop these past few episodes. In that regard, he's become more competent and learned to keep his personal emotions in check. |
| Feels like I'm tripping balls |
| We have some really psychedelic shit now. And is it just me or did this episode feel very crammed and rushed? |
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| @WolfWood37 It was one of the few episodes "offered" in order to conclude the series after the cancellation was decided. |
| Episode full of mysticism, the narrative takes a bath in the dream up to almost reason be wet, if not for the events that culminate in the end, there's a little of both in storytelling, love and hate, lust for power and also wants for revenge but to discover what the future holds. Maybe a little too hasty events and not very well explained the purpose of what is shown. However it is a good episode, there are only two more, how sad. The surrender of Zeon, I did not expect, maybe it's a sign of the goodness of the story. Was appalled when Kycilia Zabi has sought to Casval why he renounced his revenge against the Zabi family, she is not part of the family? I'm curious to find out why this question, maybe if there will be in this anime series the answer, maybe I can find it in the Origin series, who knows! R.I.P. Lalah. |
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| Oh damn what an intense epic battle! I really didn't think they'd also kill off Lalah! Really great though, but I still find their ability a bit strangely fitting in this universe. Other than that, it sure was one hell of an epic episode and I'm really looking forward to see what the last two episodes will have to offer! |
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| Really good episode, was expecting a bit more from the battle since it was so hyped but it was good nonetheless. |
| This episode was crazy. I guess this is where Neon Genesis Evangelion got its inspiration. Amuro Ray Kill Count: 1 Mobile Armor kill this episode 72 kills total |
| @aakaido The last line of episodes (basically around A Baoa Qu) has really little reasons to be watched instead of the last "summary" movie (who isn't really a summary actually). Plus the ending sequence was revised for Char. About the Newtypes element, it started as an afterthought (to further justify Amuro's young age, a necessity because it was a children program). To see it better introduced, you have to watch the summary movies (but the first two movies have really bad editing, and some cuts like the mutinery are detrimental). And yes, Amuro kind of drifted away from his companions "thanks" to his duties (and maybe his awakening too). Fraw Bow even addressed this during A Baoa Qu, if I remember well? I didn't watch the series, but even in the movies and the later manga, the almost "mystic" conversation was pretty particular. I guess you are refering to sentences like "I can see the Time" ? edit @aakaido The newtype/psychic powers introduction is indeed made through this dialogue (between Bright and Mathilda) in the movies and The Origin. Then reminded about through several sequences like one with some Federation higher-ups (in the manga, Amuro is even asked to be medically tested/checked in the Jaburo HQ for science purposes). About its utility, I think the concept was also introduced to serve one of Tomino's repeated messages, the one about (mis)communication. Well, the "dialogue" between the two newtypes is effectively not a dialogue, it's amore like thoughts thrown to each others. I thought it was a nice depiction of a short moment of "mind sharing". This never struck as a "bad dialogue". Unlike most of Zeta's real dialogues (particularly in the first 15or20eps and another chunk near the end) who are horrible to read. I even thought that 0079 was blessed. ^^" edit2 @aakaido To be honest, I just checked and it didn't sounded that different from the movies lines I remember. Though it's true that the dialogues were rewritten and re-recorded. For The Origin, I actually refer to the full story, the manga who starts with Side7's attack and ends with A Baoa Qu (and adds an original flashback in the middle, what was made into OAVs). The best version of the 0079 story. No, you didn't waste your time. The first two mocies can bother certain persons because they sometimes lack cohesiveness between scenes. The third is different in that it was almost fully re-animated (the animation director was in the hospital during the TV end so he wanted to do it himself this time). Sorry if I confused you. |
Rei_IIIJul 15, 2017 9:11 AM
| Strange episode. I like how several people are diving into the philosophy of the Armor Lala interaction.. but it was a bit ridiculous. The worst part was after Armor killed her, the episode simply moves on.. okay. I do understand the philosophy of what they were saying, but it did not reach me on a emotional level like it has for others. Great battles, but a flawed episode overall. |
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