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Sep 5, 2016 9:58 AM
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Damn, the Third Exorcists are still being corrupted. Tewaku's form this episode is scary. Kinda felt bad for Howard Link as he felt helpless to save her.

They still managed to squeeze in some comedy into the episode though.
It's also amazing how the scientists actually survived after all that went down. Thought this episode was alright, more of a transition with the aftermath of the big fight involving Alma, Yuu, etc.

Also nice to see know a little bit more about Howard Link's character.
Sep 5, 2016 10:14 AM
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So, at this pace


I didn't understand why Link was so angry in the manga. Of course it had something to do with the food bowl...

The part where Allen asking himself about the 14th was nicely nailed.
Sep 5, 2016 10:51 AM
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ItNeverEnds14 said:
So, at this pace

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Maybe not. The pace has slowed down some, and the chapters covered are a touch longer. Next episode will probably cover 203-205. But only the 1st few pages of that last chapter. Because it seems that's been the pattern since episode 8.

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Excellent episode. Was good adaptation wise as well. 2 chapters adapted. Looks like we'll probably end with 208.


Ah, It's huge Timcampy, I've been wanting to see that animated. xD

It was sad to see Allen helpless to protect the third exorcists, Was even worse to see him all chained up. :(
When Allen contemplates post the battle you really feel his sorrow at being unable to do anything and not knowing anything. Like he says, Perhaps if he had known something then he might have been able to change the way things happened. :(

The Noah's wondering why the Earl is obsessed with the Fourteenth to the extent he wants then to protect him, Loved the piano version of the the Fourteenth song that played during those scenes.

Cardinal appears! Hype! Next episode is gonna be awesome.
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So if we end with chap 208 then we must wait 3+ years for the next anime? :/
Or Hoshino tells the anime creators the next arcs end...( I hope so, I don't think she will end it soon in this tempo the Allen arc in manga...)
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So if we end with chap 208 then we must wait 3+ years for the next anime? :/
Or Hoshino tells the anime creators the next arcs end...( I hope so, I don't think she will end it soon in this tempo the Allen arc in manga...)

Yep, that's it. But with the current rate of manga being written, it would take at least 5-8 years to get enough chapters for anime adaptation which would be even shorter than these 13 episodes.
Regarding the current episode, it seemed somehow meh to he. Perhaps, it's because of the lack of action, but still I don't appreciate it too much. I've saw the pacing of the previous chapters and don't find the attemps to slow it down with additional scenes and repeats from the previous episodes very successful. At this rate, even

However, I should commend on another awesome episode ending. At last, Allen's scream sounds really painful.
Sep 5, 2016 1:21 PM
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Pretty good episode, and i think the animation was also good. Kinda strange how big is the difference for it and sadly the fight scenes were affected.
The mini-arc with cardinal left, it was so confusing for me when i was reading it.
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Barbara-chan said:
So if we end with chap 208 then we must wait 3+ years for the next anime? :/
Or Hoshino tells the anime creators the next arcs end...( I hope so, I don't think she will end it soon in this tempo the Allen arc in manga...)

Yep, that's it. But with the current rate of manga being written, it would take at least 5-8 years to get enough chapters for anime adaptation which would be even shorter than these 13 episodes.
Regarding the current episode, it seemed somehow meh to he. Perhaps, it's because of the lack of action, but still I don't appreciate it too much. I've saw the pacing of the previous chapters and don't find the attemps to slow it down with additional scenes and repeats from the previous episodes very successful. At this rate, even

However, I should commend on another awesome episode ending. At last, Allen's scream sounds really painful.


I honestly hope that the DVD's sell well enough to which the show can be done bi-weekly (I'm mostly counting on that), but I'm not sure if the releases of the manga can be changed or if the Manga Company will even allow such a change. I'm sure the magaka can now be able to write up to speed, but don't trust me on that fact. Liked the build-up, and to be honest, the speed of this anime is fine.

Also, I was very confused why people were mad that the anime started off right where the last episode of D.Gray Man left off; didn't Shokugeki no Souma do the same with it's second season?

Sorry if I included anything that doesn't fit this forum, this is my first post.
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Great episode, defintely looks like it'll end at 208 but like SilverWolf said I'm curious to see how they transition from 205 to the flashback in 206. Kind of wanted the end of 205 to be an episode cliffhanger but looks like it'll be in the middle of episode 12 which kind of sucks. I must say that I thought this adaptation would be a disaster if they really went this far but they've done a pretty good job at not having to skip anything important and still being pretty verbatim with the manga despite it seeming rushed. And with normal pacing we wouldn't have been able to see what happens after the Alma arc so in the end I'm pretty statisfied with how they've handled this. I wouldn't expect a sequel season but if Hallow sells well on disc then they probably will do it, first anime sold great for a long runner curious to see if Hallow follows, first BD comes out at the end of the month.
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Ravenlot_27 said:

Yep, that's it. But with the current rate of manga being written, it would take at least 5-8 years to get enough chapters for anime adaptation which would be even shorter than these 13 episodes.
Regarding the current episode, it seemed somehow meh to he. Perhaps, it's because of the lack of action, but still I don't appreciate it too much. I've saw the pacing of the previous chapters and don't find the attemps to slow it down with additional scenes and repeats from the previous episodes very successful. At this rate, even

However, I should commend on another awesome episode ending. At last, Allen's scream sounds really painful.


I honestly hope that the DVD's sell well enough to which the show can be done bi-weekly (I'm mostly counting on that), but I'm not sure if the releases of the manga can be changed or if the Manga Company will even allow such a change. I'm sure the magaka can now be able to write up to speed, but don't trust me on that fact. Liked the build-up, and to be honest, the speed of this anime is fine.

Also, I was very confused why people were mad that the anime started off right where the last episode of D.Gray Man left off; didn't Shokugeki no Souma do the same with it's second season?

Sorry if I included anything that doesn't fit this forum, this is my first post.


Reason people were mad was because it's been too long since the last DGM anime. First anime started a decade before Hallow and ended 8 years prior. So many people including myself were shocked that this was a continuation and not a reboot, it's rare to see this transpire after so long. Plus a reboot would have done the show a lot more justice like Hunter x Hunter 2011 did. Would reintroduce everything that happened prior to Hallow to new audiences and not just the people that have been following DGM for years. They even have new voice actors and production staff (only the composer and studio itself is the same) instead of using the same people from the original so it's odd that this was a continuation. But hey it's more DGM so I'll take it but I understand why people are upset
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Found the topic of Cardinal to be interesting too. Just in general, I feel like the Order has some other elusive goal that is only known by the top tier priests. The Cardinal that attacked Allen also seem to be a key player now, and I can't help but think there is some bigger plot that is going on here. I'm thinking something along the lines of "The Order is actually worse than the Noahs"... is that where the story is headed?
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Well, personally, I never wanted a new D. Gray Man season as a reboot, although I think that in the 1-st episode the events of the first season should've been explained properly instead of the short narration from Lenalee. Since Hallow has a lot of new features, it kinda looks like a separate anime, so the 1-st episode should've made much more obvious connection to the previous season. I mean, some kind of retelling was necessary.
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That does make sense. Now that I really sit down and think about it, it was a huge break. But, I think the reason it continued was because the manga was also being written at an extremely slow pace (for a good reason, mangaka was having a lot of medical problems). Like there's approximately 223 manga, and by the end of D. Gray Man Hallow, it'll only be on 208. Also, I noticed that anime's have this unusual 12-15 episode limit nowadays. 102 episodes of D. Gray Man is going to be very hard to condense into even 30 episodes.

Either ways, I genuinely understand why people were angry; it makes sense to just do a reboot.
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Man this episode made me feel like shit just like the manga did. Fuck the order for locking up Allen, seriously all the higher ups need to just die horrifically.


Also the first anime is still fantastic so I don't agree with people saying it needed to be rebooted. Recently re-watched it before Hallow started and it didn't feel awkward at all, it felt like a direct continuation. I feel like the people saying it needed a reboot are the ones that don't remember everything about the last series.
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So if we end with chap 208 then we must wait 3+ years for the next anime? :/

I certainly hope not, but it seems likely. I'd prefer waiting over a filler-esque next season though.
After all, pretty used to waiting at this point. c':
Sep 5, 2016 2:46 PM

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Everybody is so busy about the manga and I'm like:
Be Shit Levellie lol
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Sep 5, 2016 4:41 PM

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Allen is locked again, they never learn.
That cardinal seems to be a fake and wants to kill Allen.
Sep 5, 2016 4:45 PM

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As a whole, the episode was good. No major issues with the animation and the pace was nice.

But I felt horrible after watching it. I mean... I read the manga and everything, but... It seemed a lot more rougher and depressing. Not even the bits of humor saved it to me. I really hate the Order... And I´m seriously starting to dislike Link. Not only because of what he did after the Invasion Arc... Most reasons are in the manga, so I can´t say here.

I feel really, really bad for Lena.
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As a whole, the episode was good. No major issues with the animation and the pace was nice.

But I felt horrible after watching it. I mean... I read the manga and everything, but... It seemed a lot more rougher and depressing. Not even the bits of humor saved it to me. I really hate the Order... And I´m seriously starting to dislike Link. Not only because of what he did after the Invasion Arc... Most reasons are in the manga, so I can´t say here.

I feel really, really bad for Lena.

That OST is cheating!
Even though I too think it would end at 208, where the opening can plays fittingly at the end, I kinda hate it that I'd have to wait another 10 years or never

The BD pre-order doesn't seem good (it happens to Jump show a lot though and it's not like the previous seasons have good sales)
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I wish there was more episodes... Only 3 left.
Sep 5, 2016 5:56 PM
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Tbh... this new adaptation made me lose hype for the manga even FeelsBad
Sep 5, 2016 6:44 PM

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To hell with the Order omfg.
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A much more relaxed episode compared to the last two episodes.

That ending...
Sep 6, 2016 12:21 AM

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Fucking Link, that cunt, is practically going off that chick's "visions" while Allen is trying to save Tokusa. What a fucking bitch. How the fuck was Allen out of control at that moment? Then we got Hitler there being a prick as always.

More revelations! Old Man Panda has a bigger role than I thought he would have. Interested to see how that goes. AND THAT CARDINAL GUY. My memory of the manga is coming back to me.

Lenalee eating kinda reminds me of a hamster.

That was a nice gesture from Link, but I still fucking hate him and his stupid dots on his forehead. Some interesting developments and it looks like the season will end after the Seed of Destruction Arc.

I'm not excited to see this series go again, considering I might have to wait anotehr 7 years for this. Maybe they'll do another season after the current arc the manga is on comes to a close but I don't see that happening for years.

On the other hand, I'm not excited for this series to come back as well. I absolutely hate how lazy they get with the animations sometimes and how the show changed drastically. It's way too colorful for my liking compared to the last and the voices other than Allen, Lenalee, Kanda and Johnny, I can not get use to it. Thank god Johnny's a lot better but Lavi is just so fucking bad. Lavi's voice irritated me and I literally shouted at my screen "don't you dare say a single fucking word."

Anyways, 3/5 episode.

You can blame my bitterness after watching today's Danganronpa. I'm filled with salt atm.



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Probably the best episode for the moment. Visuals were good, the pace was stable and the cliffhanger made me very hyped. Already want to see Cardinal
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Unlike everyone else here, I think the series will end
Sep 6, 2016 5:39 AM
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Probably the best episode for the moment. Visuals were good, the pace was stable and the cliffhanger made me very hyped. Already want to see Cardinal
in action.

Unlike everyone else here, I think the series will end

I too think it will end at that point
Sep 6, 2016 8:04 AM

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Only 3 more episodes D: also damn I wish the anime got to me more but it's either 'cause I know the story or maybe because it lacks... something. The original D.Gray-man made me cry a lot...
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Found the topic of Cardinal to be interesting too. Just in general, I feel like the Order has some other elusive goal that is only known by the top tier priests. The Cardinal that attacked Allen also seem to be a key player now, and I can't help but think there is some bigger plot that is going on here. I'm thinking something along the lines of "The Order is actually worse than the Noahs"... is that where the story is headed?


I can't imagine the Order and Innocence EVER being worse than a bunch of psychopaths who bring death and suffering to innocent people and don't regret it in slightest. Whatever grudge the Noahs have, even if the Innocence caused something nasty in far past, is no reason to torture the ones undeserving. They can make Innocence and Order evil or whatever, but it will never excuse the Noahs.

I am a big lover of tropes that switch the hero and villain roles, but I can't see it ever working here.
Sep 6, 2016 3:37 PM

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Quite the cliffhanger, I'm quite interesting in learning more about Cardinal and "heart" at this point...
Sep 6, 2016 9:49 PM

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Link screwed all the last chapter so I don't have much simpaty for him now.

This was transition at his hardest, the only cool stuff was seeing Miranda and the foreshadowing of Nea's awakening.
Sep 7, 2016 3:32 AM

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that was kinda slow but that cliffhanger though
Sep 7, 2016 4:06 AM

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I also think this will end with


This episode was just depressing, seeing Allen like that. I feel bad so many people hate Link though. He's not my favorite DGM character, but I am interested in what he'll do next whenever he shows up.
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Manga spoiler:


The pope is sure an ass though.
Quite interested where the anime will wrap up from this point. They pretty much start the new arc this episode by introducing that guy in allen's cell at the end.
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I can't imagine the Order and Innocence EVER being worse than a bunch of psychopaths who bring death and suffering to innocent people and don't regret it in slightest. Whatever grudge the Noahs have, even if the Innocence caused something nasty in far past, is no reason to torture the ones undeserving. They can make Innocence and Order evil or whatever, but it will never excuse the Noahs.

I am a big lover of tropes that switch the hero and villain roles, but I can't see it ever working here.


See, but don't you think that's the vibe we are getting? Allen is almost buddy buddy with the Noah's and only seems to get angry when the Earl does/tries to force him to do something that is wrong (i.e. joining the Noah's). One of the crucial thing is viewpoint, and currently, all eyes are on how the Order is disregarding the basic fundamental human rights of people in general; what the Noah's did isn't something that is worse than the Order but rather on equivalent levels.

Think about it; at the start of the original D. Gray Man, the concept of "Akuma" was literally regarded as disgusting, but now, its the total opposite; I think what the Order is doing is vile and disgusting. It seems that there is not much difference over what the Noah and the Order does, especially when the dead are used as test subjects and all this nonsense with the Second/Third Exorcist Project.
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Another pretty good episode and the pace seems slow down a lot suddenly. Thus, we see more high position people from the Order who makes Leverrier like a puppy.;P Love some additional scene added in the cafeteria and the introduce of Tapp's sister.xD The Allen and Link scene in the prison is especially well done. and also, the introduce of the Cardinal, the clue to the Heart.

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ItNeverEnds14 said:
So, at this pace

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Maybe not. The pace has slowed down some, and the chapters covered are a touch longer. Next episode will probably cover 203-205. But only the 1st few pages of that last chapter. Because it seems that's been the pattern since episode 8.



Hopefully the remaining won't rush as it can sometimes be pretty fast. Interested in seeing the direction of the remaining episode.
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Big Timcanpy feels like a big pillow!
4/5.


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This new sequel feels so different from the old one I'm having a lot of trouble keeping up or feeling sympathy for any character at all (the Thirds weren't there long enough for me to feel anything when they were combusting.. ;-;), but by this point, I am seriously not cool with the Order and it'd be great if Allen chose to leave them on his own will. Be a renegade, Allen.

The Noahs' side of the story seems more interesting right now...
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Nayrael said:
parneybarns said:
Found the topic of Cardinal to be interesting too. Just in general, I feel like the Order has some other elusive goal that is only known by the top tier priests. The Cardinal that attacked Allen also seem to be a key player now, and I can't help but think there is some bigger plot that is going on here. I'm thinking something along the lines of "The Order is actually worse than the Noahs"... is that where the story is headed?


I can't imagine the Order and Innocence EVER being worse than a bunch of psychopaths who bring death and suffering to innocent people and don't regret it in slightest. Whatever grudge the Noahs have, even if the Innocence caused something nasty in far past, is no reason to torture the ones undeserving. They can make Innocence and Order evil or whatever, but it will never excuse the Noahs.

I am a big lover of tropes that switch the hero and villain roles, but I can't see it ever working here.


That's EXACTLY what the Order is guilty of, though. Way in the past (prior to Komui taking on his position), the Order is known to have dabbled in:

-Human experimentation. Levellier ONLY got to the position of power he now has because members of his family were offered up as test subjects and worse to the order in years past
-The Second and Third Exorcist projects
-Snatching children from their families and cutting all contact (Komui was the one who changed this rule)
-Child abuse (the fact that Lenalee was strapped to a bed and suicidal in what was essentially a prison?????)

And those are only the ones off the top of my head, which brings me to this:

Also, I was very confused why people were mad that the anime started off right where the last episode of D.Gray Man left off; didn't Shokugeki no Souma do the same with it's second season?


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"Lvellie is a shit"
Truer words were never spoken.

I've been waiting for Douche Priest to make his appearance.
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Oh boy that ending! Pretty impressive, let's see what's next.
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OMG Road and Tyki Mikk in their human forms. <3

Allen in his Noah-ish form. Tanned-grayish skin on the Noahs look so good.
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Life lesson, without knowing and knowing is very different matter. What a great quote.

3.7/5
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Cardinal, what are you doing? :[
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Very Good Episode
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"Oh hey, the cardinal seems like a good guy--WAIT WHAT???"
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Another overpowered character raises another question. I wonder if there's more of his kind.



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Really love the human forms of Tyki and Road. A lot of unexpected things happened. Bookman was friends with a Noah? :o

Also that ending. Who in the hell is this cardinal and what is he doing to Allen? I hope the next episode will solve some of these questions. Besides from that I liked this episode. Big Timcanpy looks good. :D

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I'm starting to hate this war, it's gone on for too long that I find it tedious and I'm jaded already. And there are rules, whatever that was the Earl was spouting of!

Who the eff is the Fourteenth really? Even the Noahs are confused with the Earl's contradictory order about the Fourteenth they have abducted old Bookman to access his memories. And what about that Cardinal? Even more questions! >_<

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Tim saves Allen.
Tokusa vanished.
Tewaku is gone.
Earl has them.
They left.
Tim and Allen locked up.
Earl in bed.
Road looking sexy?
Lavi and Bookman are with them.
Mugen turned to rust.
The waifu Emilia is back!
Be Shit! Lvellie!
Allen is changing.
The guards are knocked out.
The heart?
Earl woke up!
Dat ending.

Be Shit! Lvellie! I'm glad Tewaku isn't dead. She's too cute to die. Also, glad to see the waifu Emilia again.
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of course the cardinal has to be evil :(

Please do something Link! Or maybe Earl will lol
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