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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Ah I knew it. Guren is back and I thought their fight is more like a personal rivalry. Nice background storytelling. It's really interesting to learn about the context of the history regarding Hakumen no Mono, who is pretty much dubbed the main antagonist of this show now. Guren's a lot tougher than I had expected ;o  |
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| At first, I'm kinda confused with Hyou's explanation. So there's Guren, Azafuse, and Tora which is basically the "Alpha" Azafuse. But after that flashback and further conversation in-fight between Tora and Guren, it all become clear. |
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| We finally learned what exactly happens to you if you get consumed by the spear It's interesting to know that all the Azafuse were once users of the spear and that Tora was once human I guess Hakumen no Mono gave was the one who gave Guren wolverine face claws Rape Face  |
OrangeJPApr 15, 2016 8:29 AM
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| Two crazy reveals plus confirmation on my Guren theory all in one episode =o Man I cannot wait to see how this whole thing will play out.....I wonder if Tora and the others will be able to turn back into humans as well at the end |
| So Tora and Guren were previous users of the Beast Spear who weren't saved. So basically, if Ushio wouldn't have been saved by his friends, he would have become a Tora-like creature? He is lucky indeed. Nice to having Hyou back after being absent for a lot of episodes. His expressions through the episode, however... On another note, we will have an explanation of what Guren is, but what are the army of Tora-like monsters that there are always with him? It seems this is going to be straight to the final battle. |
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| Well, that was a interesting ep. I was surprised to know that Tora had such a rich backstory, him being a human before. I totally forgot about Hyou's mystery monster but great to know it was that ugly Guren. So Hakumen no Mono manipulating Guren wasn't so tough I guess seeing he was bad from the start. The designs of other Azafuze was interesting, now I'm curious to see what Tora looked in human form lol! Nice ED by the way (heard it first time). |
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Shucks, I laughed :( At least say, the revenge face - Hyou's past was sad. ~~ I loved the scene where young Hyou returns to home and black Tora (yes, I am calling it that) stretches a ligament/meat and blood droplets splatter across the scene made it look really brutal.  I never know rock hairstyle was so famous among the youkai (Azafuze technically but you get my point?) |
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| The past wielders of the sbeast spears lost control and turned into Azafuse and Tora is one of them :O Hyou finally finds his families killer but he lost :( rematch on the way. |
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Illyricus said: On another note, we will have an explanation of what Guren is, but what are the army of Tora-like monsters that there are always with him? Those are Kokuen, born from Guren's body. It's one of the powers he received from Hakumen no Mono. You see, in the manga the events of this episode happened before everyone forgot about Ushio, so he already knew who Guren was when he showed up to attack the other bakemono. That was when Guren explained about his "children". I guess the anime removed that dialogue because it would be weird to see the new villain talking about what his servants are when we don't even know who he is. |
| Some nice reveals in this episode, particularly Guren being the one who killed Hyou's family as well as some information regarding what happens to Beast Spear users who lose control. I wonder if we'll actually see what Tora looked like as a human, but for some reason I doubt that'll happen. |
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thebrentinator24 said: Some nice reveals in this episode, particularly Guren being the one who killed Hyou's family as well as some information regarding what happens to Beast Spear users who lose control. I wonder if we'll actually see what Tora looked like as a human, but for some reason I doubt that'll happen. my bet is that tora is the guy who created the beast spear thats why he is the "alpha", the reason why he hates the hakumen no mono but no because the spear was saying that to him and why he "likes" mayuko and because one of the azafuse said that tora hates the HnM because of personal reasons |
Ferax said: thebrentinator24 said: Some nice reveals in this episode, particularly Guren being the one who killed Hyou's family as well as some information regarding what happens to Beast Spear users who lose control. I wonder if we'll actually see what Tora looked like as a human, but for some reason I doubt that'll happen. my bet is that tora is the guy who created the beast spear thats why he is the "alpha", the reason why he hates the hakumen no mono but no because the spear was saying that to him and why he "likes" mayuko and because one of the azafuse said that tora hates the HnM because of personal reasons Except no, that can't be the case, because the one who forged the beast spear became part of it in the process. |
| Damn the truth behind Tora and tre other Azafuse. Really awesome! |
JGChaves said: I see. Thank you for the explanation. Though it's a pity they went that rushed and didn't adapted the manga properly...Illyricus said: On another note, we will have an explanation of what Guren is, but what are the army of Tora-like monsters that there are always with him? Those are Kokuen, born from Guren's body. It's one of the powers he received from Hakumen no Mono. You see, in the manga the events of this episode happened before everyone forgot about Ushio, so he already knew who Guren was when he showed up to attack the other bakemono. That was when Guren explained about his "children". I guess the anime removed that dialogue because it would be weird to see the new villain talking about what his servants are when we don't even know who he is. |
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| This episode was gold. And I'll give S2 a 8/10 only for the azafuse and Guren's designs. |
| Did not expect the reveals that happened this episode, really was a interesting one. That Tora, Guren and the rest of the Azafuse being previous spear wielders who lost control. Nice to see Hyou back again, looking forward to see how his personal battle with Guren will be resolved. |
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| Very interesting revelations to Tora's look-a-likes, the Azafuse. Ushio was close to becoming one of them as well last season. I wonder if Ushio's ancestor is among one of them, seeing as how they all apparently forgot their human memories? Wait, I take that back...just remembered that he later became a monk after pinning Tora to the basement and parted with the spear. |
Estoy_GordoApr 15, 2016 2:31 PM
| wow what an amazing revelations episode |
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| Its said that Tora once used to Beast Spear but if so, shouldn't he had been a statue to a point and still retain at least some his memories of that time? This episode brought with is some revelation but a whole lot more mysteries with it. 4kicks said: Wait, I take that back...just remembered that he later became a monk after pinning Tora to the basement and parted with the spear. Yeah, what about him? shouldn't he had become one of those Azafuse? How did they seal the Beast Spear in the beginning again? Wouldn't the Beast Spear tied to set itself free and continue its hunt instead of staying still for centuries? There's really too much questions with this episode. |
| I love this show. So basically, the azafuse were once humans who used the Beast Spear and were consumed by it. That also makes Tora an azafuse. Tora was once human. But does not remember anything from his human self. Do we know if Ushio has truly been "saved"? Or has the inevitable just been delayed? If so, would that mean Ushio would turn into an azafuse at some point in the future? We already know that there's some element of time travel in the show. So what if, Ushio defeats Hakumen no Mono, still turns into an azafuse. That azafuse is.... Tora! And then he goes back in time, and ends up meeting up with Ushio (his past self), in order to help him defeat Hakumen no Mono. And that's why he's immune to turning into stone, because he's from after Hakumen no Mono was already defeated. Yes, it's a bit paradoxical in nature, but many great time-travel stories are. Time/Nature has a way of trying to "clean itself" and things that would help the greater good tend to just... Happen. Timey wimey. (Yes, that's a Doctor Who "Blink" reference) It's also all revealed in the name of the show. Ushio to Tora. He changes from Ushio, to Tora. *mind explode* (I don't actually believe this, but I love the theory as an "alternative path*, and find it plausible within the story so-far.) |
| I'm not so sure I'm found of this, this means Ushio being able to connect with the demons is because Tora was formerly a human, or at least it'll seem that way. Also, was that the same Haku avatar as before? Because if not I'm starting to think Hakumen no Mono is a female identity, hell even if its not the same one as before I'll still say the thing seems to like taking female bodies and having female avatars. |
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Epicenter said: I'm not so sure I'm found of this, this means Ushio being able to connect with the demons is because Tora was formerly a human, or at least it'll seem that way. Also, was that the same Haku avatar as before? Because if not I'm starting to think Hakumen no Mono is a female identity, hell even if its not the same one as before I'll still say the thing seems to like taking female bodies and having female avatars. Hakumen no Mono clearly IS a female, especially since she has a female voice even in the fox form. |
| The only thing that I want to do right now - is to see Tora's human form ( how he was in the past ), good episode as always, but a bit slow |
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| When I saw at the end of the previous season that it was going straight to the point of no return I got a little worried that they weren't gonna do the Azafuse. Thankfully they just placed it later, since it gives important info on Tora and Hyou. So instead of Hyou coming to train Ushio, he's there because of the hiyou erasing everyone's memory. I forgot his eye kept him safe from it, which eliminated the problem of how to fit this in. |
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| I really don't get why they moved the position of this in the story... It made it pretty awkward. |
| I liked how it was serious the whole episode...and then there's Tora licking a Popsicle LOL Gotta love it. |
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| So if every azafuse turned to stone, how could tora roam around for thousand of year earning himself a name amongst the youkai and humans? Also didnt hyou mention that originally there was only one azafuse? Why did they become more? |
| Interesting revelation about Tora and azafuse. There has to be an episode this season going into what kind of person Tora used to be. That will be key |
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| Yay, more Hyou action. A lot of exposition, but it's important stuff, at least. Tora's backstory should be verrrry soon. |
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LN3000 said: I love this show. So basically, the azafuse were once humans who used the Beast Spear and were consumed by it. That also makes Tora an azafuse. Tora was once human. But does not remember anything from his human self. Do we know if Ushio has truly been "saved"? Or has the inevitable just been delayed? If so, would that mean Ushio would turn into an azafuse at some point in the future? We already know that there's some element of time travel in the show. So what if, Ushio defeats Hakumen no Mono, still turns into an azafuse. That azafuse is.... Tora! And then he goes back in time, and ends up meeting up with Ushio (his past self), in order to help him defeat Hakumen no Mono. And that's why he's immune to turning into stone, because he's from after Hakumen no Mono was already defeated. Yes, it's a bit paradoxical in nature, but many great time-travel stories are. Time/Nature has a way of trying to "clean itself" and things that would help the greater good tend to just... Happen. Timey wimey. (Yes, that's a Doctor Who "Blink" reference) It's also all revealed in the name of the show. Ushio to Tora. He changes from Ushio, to Tora. *mind explode* (I don't actually believe this, but I love the theory as an "alternative path*, and find it plausible within the story so-far.) Actually Tora's Background is tied to Hakumo itself so his background wont be revealed until the very end of the story |
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| Oh damn what an episode! I wonder how things will pan out at the end. :I |
| Does anyone know the approximate year that the spear was made? Cause if Tora is around or over 2k years he must be up there as some of the first of them. Could you imagine a team of Tora's fighting xD. Also I really wanna know what Hyou meant by Tora having personal ties to hakumen. Hyou vs Guren should be an epic fight. |
| Hyou really got into the fight huh. That stupid scary grin he had. |
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| Wow these revelations are interesting, great episode |
| This part is so much weaker. |
| That plot revelation. So Tora was a human once, that's interesting to hear. Azafuses are such weird creatures, though. And Ushio was so close at becoming one too, though. |
| Nice one, we're after finding out why there are more Tora-folk and the reason for their existence.. Shame about Hyou not able to exact revenge on Guren but there are 10 more episodes to see it happen so I'll be patient! |
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| I like that Azafuse are essentially back up minions created by the Spear to act against Hakumen No Mono. If you have no personal grudge against Hakumen, the Spear will guide you to fight him, but apparently Tora did have a personal beef with him, thus he never needed to become stone and get that message. He was already going to do it. Guren, who's the only who's black because he was so truly twisted, however, was able to overcome that notion and instead side with Hakumen. I'm just glad Hyou's explanation of being at that cave was explained. I was wracking my brain of how the Hakumen piece in the cave could help him... then it was said it was time demon and... oh. That makes perfect sense. Also makes sense that he never came around it before, since this was his first time in Japan. Good episode; probably would've loved it completely had I not read the manga chapter first. hayka said: Its said that Tora once used to Beast Spear but if so, shouldn't he had been a statue to a point and still retain at least some his memories of that time? This episode brought with is some revelation but a whole lot more mysteries with it. 4kicks said: Wait, I take that back...just remembered that he later became a monk after pinning Tora to the basement and parted with the spear. Yeah, what about him? shouldn't he had become one of those Azafuse? How did they seal the Beast Spear in the beginning again? Wouldn't the Beast Spear tied to set itself free and continue its hunt instead of staying still for centuries? There's really too much questions with this episode. Not everyone who wields the spear loses control. I believe Ushio's ancestor only used it that one time. He kinda had to, as it was sealed in the basement thereafter. And, calm down; you're jumping the gun. Obviously, there's still a segment of the Beast Spear's past that has yet to be revealed. All we know is, it was created in China, hunted for Hakumen, found him briefly but he escaped, the spear then took out its frustrations on youkai who sealed it with red cloth on all sides and one guy later visited it... Missing segment Somehow it's free later on where Guren found it and then the others before eventually winding up in the Aotsuki family and their basement. The missing segment, I feel, probably has a lot to do with Tora's backstory and... ahem, that first guy who probably tore it loose from its seal. Keep in mind too, only when the spear is completely naked without cloth can it zoom about on its own; the seal is heavily weakened from the small amount of cloth still on it, but it's still enough to keep its free will sealed without a user. We'll get to it, no doubt. AntonKutovoi said: Epicenter said: I'm not so sure I'm found of this, this means Ushio being able to connect with the demons is because Tora was formerly a human, or at least it'll seem that way. Also, was that the same Haku avatar as before? Because if not I'm starting to think Hakumen no Mono is a female identity, hell even if its not the same one as before I'll still say the thing seems to like taking female bodies and having female avatars. Hakumen no Mono clearly IS a female, especially since she has a female voice even in the fox form. You can't apply genders so easily on Youkai. I actually view Hakumen's preference for using female avatars because he relishes slipping in and manipulating countries to destruction; the slow and steady crumbling in fear vs just blowing crap up. Women generally get special treatment and are far more easily trusted by almost everyone; it's just a known fact, hence why Hakumen chooses the female human form. It makes perfect sense with his character to me. |
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| All the Azafuse were humans who were taken over by the spear, cool. Guren is the bastard who killed Hyou's family. |
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| Sugoi sugoi, so Tora was also a user at some point in time, I wanna see his human form!! |
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| Hyou is back. WTF! More Tora lookalike's. So that's what happened. Plus, Tora was human. Rikiya vs Norio! Hyou got that rape face going on. lol at Tora licking the sea salt ice cream. |
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