| According to Sankei news, Chiba Tetsuya and Satonaka Machiko held a press conference to declare opposition to a local ordinance regulating "fictitious juveniles". Numbers of famous mangaka made objection to the regulation that it will severely violate the freedom of expression. The regulation was proposed by Tokyo metropolitan government and it intends to restrict the minor characters appearing in manga, anime, movies, and games. Even if the characters are described as adults in the story, Tokyo will judge whether the characters are considered to be minors based on the appearance, backgrounds, and voices. Those characters are defined as "fictitious juveniles" and Tokyo will restrict the sales of the media if it contains sexual expressions of "fictitious juveniles". Mangaka and their supporters are apprehensive that the interpretation of "sexual expressions" can be expanded limitlessly. The ordinance will be put to the vote on March 19th. List of Mangaka who oppose to the regulation (partial) Sources: Sankei, The Journal, RBB Today Note: The "fictitious juveniles" are anime/manga/game characters which Tokyo considers to be Under 18 years old. Source: IT Media Updated on March 17th According to Yomiuri news, Democratic Party of Japan, the largest party in Tokyo Metropolitan Assembly, decided to postpone the vote and will continue to discuss the proposal in the next term. Ohta Books announced that they collected 822 signatures of mangaka and manga/anime related people, who object to the ordinance. Sources: Asahi.com, Ohta Books, Yomiuri |
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| Ahaha. I'm really not surprised by this. At all. I doubt this ordinance will go anywhere, but we'll see. It is vague about the whole "sexual expressions" bit. That could be taken many different ways. And how can you tell a character's age just by their appearance and voice? Even IRL that's difficult to do. Seems like the law would just make things more complicated than they need to be. |
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| so this iss about "loli's" ???? |
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fertygo said: so this iss about "loli's" ???? It's about any fictitious character that appears to be under the age of 18. |
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| Makes sense that the author of Kodomo no Jikan is on that list XD |
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| Fictitious juveniles... Won't lie, I immediately thought of Beelzebub! |
| Try finding an anime or manga without characters like that. Even if found one, the vast majority has at least one 'minor' in it. If this stupid law asses, Tokyo can kiss its anime and manga business good-bye. |
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| Some big names on that list, finally some internal pressure instead of just international. |
| IM so opposed to this besides >.> you cant put age on ficticious characters lool that "12 year old thats a full grown up chick in hayate[i think her names jenny or jenifer that appears in the manga at the ufo chapter also when nagi tells how they found tama" or komoe sensei <3 the most awesome loli teacher!!! or that loli chick from lady bato /WHAT ABSOLUTE BULL SHIT This is terrible i hope it gets opposed big time RAGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE bloody loli killing media i dont know how they gonna stop the dojinshis tho at comifest and natsucomi n shit |
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| I don't like loli, so I could care less if they ban it. However, there is no standardized way to determine the "fictitious juveniles". It will simply be up to somebody's opinion on the character. So even if this passes, it should be easily overturned after a while. |
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| I can already imagine the headlines if it's getting accepted: "Mass otaku suicide in japan" |
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| Some people are starting to get fanatically puritanical while being prurient creatures themselves. Unfortunately they happen to be holding government positions and can thus influence laws to their liking while keeping a supposedly 'clean' image to the public. |
| I don't really see how such a law would help anything. The reason why child pornography laws were made in the first place is to protect children from being traumatised from sexual abuse, not to force a conservative way of thinking onto everyone. Depriving loli-obsessed otaku of their lolis may increase the number who turn to real child porn, which defeats the point of having these laws in the first place. Having such a strongly opinion-based law is going to fail anyway. It' not like burglary, murder or even copyright infringement where you can say in black-and-white that a law was broken or not. Each case would have to be assessed individually and there may be differences in interpretation depending on who is reviewing the case, leading to inconstancies. Tl;dr version: This law will be expensive and time-consuming for the courts to handle, and it might actually make thing worse, rather than better. let's not forget about Japan's "junior idol" industry, which could be strengthened by such laws, as they stand on a legal grey area, while fictional depictions don't at the moment, but will when these laws come through. |
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| I doubt the move to regulate anime/manga chars will curb or solve the issue. In that case, most manga and anime will get banned. |
| Time to post this: No seriously, why don't they first put their effort into getting rid of materials of real young girls doing various activities? Beside let's be realistic here. Moe lolis are now fully part of the manga/anime/otaku (sub-)culture, there's no way people can just stop drawing lolis from tomorrow on. -_- |
AlexstratzMar 15, 2010 4:56 AM
| this is not just about loli. all the high school anime/manga will affected because they are under 18. |
| I've heard of loli bans... but this? If the law gets passed, I don't wanna imagine the hell that'll come right after. |
dtshyk said: Well, I already guessed that, but that would mean about 95% of anime/manga would be affected by this, as High School is one of the the most common settings in anime, and that doesn't even cover sci-fi/fantasy anime with high-school aged characters. A good number of those anime have some sort of fanservice as well, even the non-ecchi-orientated ones like Evangelion and Code Geass (I guess that Kallen is supposed to be high-school aged) have some fanservice in them.this is not just about loli. all the high school anime/manga will affected because they are under 18. |
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| wait, how can you even write a shoujo manga without any characters hat are under 18?! o__O Shoujos are usually based on high school therefore ALL the characters will be under 18 years of age. What are they thinking? XD |
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| This is taking PROTECT THE FICTIONAL CHILDREN to a whole new level. |
Alexstratz said: Oh dude those links are sick and I am seeing this after seeing what happens to Yuuko in Ef Tales of Melodies episode 6.....O_O oh gross they should ban stuff in your links and all related things like that.......anime lolis do not = to IRL people....come on dude seriously that link stuff is cross.....I saw transparent stuff in there......yuck!No seriously, why don't they first put their effort into getting rid of materials of real young girls doing various activities? |
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| this sucks |
| I ain't no mangaka, but sign me up for the opposition list plz. -_- Do they honestly want to ban like at least 80% of all manga/anime? Pfeh, politicians. They sit behind their desks and decide about things they've no idea of. Typical. Let's hope the thing never passes. |
| Why do people keep saying about all the characters under 18 being affected? I thought the age of consent in Japan was the same as England - 16, not 18? |
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Alexstratz said: Time to post this: No seriously, why don't they first put their effort into getting rid of materials of real young girls doing various activities? Beside let's be realistic here. Moe lolis are now fully part of the manga/anime/otaku (sub-)culture, there's no way people can just stop drawing lolis from tomorrow on. -_- That's a little out of order... |
| Sounds like bullshit legislation to me. I doubt it will pass, as it seems to be put forward by some sort of right-wing extremist group concerned about moral values instead of realistic expectations. Clearly they are ignoring the reality of the situation, as they are limiting the freedom of expression of hundreds of mangaka, among other media outlets. I really can't believe that this will be passed. It has to be opposed by so many people and businesses in the entertainment industry. |
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| This law makes no sense. Raypture said: This. I heard that Japan is pretty opened in terms of sex or whatever. I think its just some play of the government, or stupid enough to make no sense.Also, the legal age of consent in Japan is 13 (I think?) and I've expressed it a lot to friends and family, if you can give consent to have sex at 13 or 16 legally, why can't you give consent for porn? See: Sexting and 16 year old girls getting in trouble for taking pictures of THEMSELVES because it's "child pornography" when they took those pictures willingly and gave them out knowing they can be redistributed with ease. |
| Some people seem to be misunderstanding -- this is not a ban on loli, but a ban on lolis in sexual context. The problem is that the "sexual expressions" made illegal are not clearly defined in the law so whatever group enforces the policy would have power to prosecute even for something suggestive -- but not obviously sexual. It seems like they are just trying to target hentai vids with imoutos, but many are opposed because ecchi mainstream stuff is in jeopardy too. |
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Kuromii said: Huh? No! Age of consent for marriage I heard was 16 with no parent approval. 13~14 is marriage with family consent. Sex......don't know about that but I heard that even primary school students as young as 10 go for it if it = to money...heard rumors around the net. Why do people keep saying about all the characters under 18 being affected? I thought the age of consent in Japan was the same as England - 16, not 18? ringoo4 said: This law makes no sense. Raypture said: Also, the legal age of consent in Japan is 13 (I think?) and I've expressed it a lot to friends and family, if you can give consent to have sex at 13 or 16 legally, why can't you give consent for porn? See: Sexting and 16 year old girls getting in trouble for taking pictures of THEMSELVES because it's "child pornography" when they took those pictures willingly and gave them out knowing they can be redistributed with ease. Rofl z wut any picture of girl under 16 is child pornography in Japan....16 is more tolerated I heard but then again some 13 year old I heard around.....sell their panties...... ringoo4 said: I think it's USA and Obama who might be behind this....USA has a agenda on this and last I heard there are still in Japan. This. I heard that Japan is pretty opened in terms of sex or whatever. I think its just some play of the government, or stupid enough to make no sense. saka said: Some people seem to be misunderstanding -- this is not a ban on loli, but a ban on lolis in sexual context. The problem is that the "sexual expressions" made illegal are not clearly defined in the law so whatever group enforces the policy would have power to prosecute even for something suggestive -- but not obviously sexual. It seems like they are just trying to target hentai vids with imoutos, but many are opposed because ecchi mainstream stuff is in jeopardy too. You see the problem people don't get is that none of this is IRL and that if someone does do it with a kid it's their mind's fault and themselves for it nothing else.....anyone care to give me a +1 on that one? ReaperEXE said: What animal stuff? Oh God please do not got into that....that's just gross man.....then again it's your business if you do with a animal....just don't make me see that it.That's a little out of order... |
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Kuromii said: Why do people keep saying about all the characters under 18 being affected? I thought the age of consent in Japan was the same as England - 16, not 18? All of the articles I've read on ANN about it have stated the age affected is 18 and younger. So I'm assuming it's stated in the legislature somewhere. saka said: Some people seem to be misunderstanding -- this is not a ban on loli, but a ban on lolis in sexual context. The problem is that the "sexual expressions" made illegal are not clearly defined in the law so whatever group enforces the policy would have power to prosecute even for something suggestive -- but not obviously sexual. It seems like they are just trying to target hentai vids with imoutos, but many are opposed because ecchi mainstream stuff is in jeopardy too. This is my worry. I honestly couldn't care less about Loli's and the hentai. Most of the shows I watch would barely be affected. However the law being so vague could pose a serious problem for several characters in mainsteam anime. Especially since it's all based on how old a character looks/sounds and not the age they actually are. And I seriously doubt Obama has anything to do with this. He has bigger things to worry about. :/ |
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francismeunier said: ReaperEXE said: What animal stuff? Oh God please do not got into that....that's just gross man.....then again it's your business if you do with a animal....just don't make me see that it.That's a little out of order... Kay, well, that was completely taken the wrong way. The first 3 are relevant, the last is a meme. o_O |
ReaperEXE said: It is obvious they are sexual in a way like the red is most likely groping......yes?francismeunier said: ReaperEXE said: What animal stuff? Oh God please do not got into that....that's just gross man.....then again it's your business if you do with a animal....just don't make me see that it.That's a little out of order... Kay, well, that was completely taken the wrong way. The first 3 are relevant, the last is a meme. o_O |
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| You know that this is never going to happen when arch-rival mega-corporations Google and Microsoft agree that it shouldn't happen. On the (extremely) unlikely chance that does get passed, I wonder what would happen to works like Yoiko? As it goes off physical appearance, it might still be allowed, even if she is an elementary school student, but I am sure they find a way to ban it, though. |
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saka said: Some people seem to be misunderstanding -- this is not a ban on loli, but a ban on lolis in sexual context. The problem is that the "sexual expressions" made illegal are not clearly defined in the law so whatever group enforces the policy would have power to prosecute even for something suggestive -- but not obviously sexual. It seems like they are just trying to target hentai vids with imoutos, but many are opposed because ecchi mainstream stuff is in jeopardy too. Regardless, the point is that they'll hurt a LOT of mangakas and the like with this idea. Ecchi has become a big part of the anime industry now and nowadays, that involves 'underaged' girls, because that's what the Japanese audience wants to see. And as said, who are they planning on protecting with this? Definitely not real children, as they will still be used for whatever reason. Various idols start at age 9 or earlier. if they're so concerned about child abuse, why don't they go after THAT first? Or better yet, why not go after actual child porn, which is a million times worse than ecchi loli manga/anime and actually hurts children? |
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| Maybe Mangakas will start working overseas (not the US/Canada of course since the Handley case) ? This feels appropriate: |
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ariapokoteng said: ^ This exactly. Can't just look at someone and say 'Oh they're not old enough', look at their ID, and still say the same thing. LOTS of people don't look their age, but the truth of the matter is, they are. It's what's on the damn birth certificate. I personally think this 'law' (if it can honestly even be called one) is just total outrageous bullshit. That's like forcing certain mangaka to to change the way they draw people. Look at yaoi mangaka...like..Okane ga Nai. Ayase does NOT look 19 in the least. I mean, he doesn't look particularly young, but certainly not as old as he should be. None the less, he's 19. The proof is in the pudding. Now, I haven't finished Lucky Star, but I assume the characters are probably older than what they look. Not to mention the art style in general is to make them look small. There's no problem with any of those things. It's the person's art style. For god sakes..this is why the world is going to hell in a hand basket. People coming up with stupid ideas, trying to make laws against useless subjects to start an outrage, when they COULD be making laws for things that are actually IMPORTANT. I'm glad there are a lot of big names on that list. With the way it sounds like it's going, I can't see this stupid...thing being passed off as a 'law'. |
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| lolwut? they are protecting the innocence of fictitious minors now? I think it's really terrible that fictional children are getting hurt for our entertainment. I also think the fictional minors should be paid for their appearance in manga and anime, otherwise it can be considered fictional child slavery. |
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| If this thing gets passed somehow...I don't want to see the TRUE hell that follows with it. Also, this could take out a nice chunk of Japan's economy..>.< Lastly...if they have the time to worry about FICTIONAL characters...why aren't they out there trying to stop the REAL stuff?? |
zerochancesMar 15, 2010 11:54 AM
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zerochances said: Lastly...if they have the time to worry about FICTIONAL characters...why aren't they out there trying to stop the REAL stuff?? My thoughts exactly. I don't like ecchi, but this is just ridiculous =_= |
zerochances said: Lastly...if they have the time to worry about FICTIONAL characters...why aren't they out there trying to stop the REAL stuff?? Exactly. Their minor protection laws have so many loopholes that allow certain "traditions" to continue without interruption. But let's worry about the fictional children... And another thing... I'm appalled that some people can't draw the line between fiction and reality. Yes, I do find many underage characters to be "hot"... or rather, drawn sexy. Does that mean I'll go look for a kid to molest irl? I can't even stand teenagers (& kids) irl >_> And also they don't have superpowers. |
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| I don't care that much really. I should just move the central of manga & anime industry to another land and then sink Japan. That country is in the risk of being sunk anytime anyway. And since Japan will no more support those, there's no reason to keep support dying japan. :( That's what I want to do, sadly I'm no god. :( |
| That's what happens when when there are intolerant people in the government that's so absurd. |
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| Weel, I have to admit that what I usually read/watch is for a mature public (as in Berserk, Cowboy Bebop, Ergo Proxy, Evangelion, so on) and therefor not that much affected by that oh so very stupid law (for all the reasons said beforehand by everyone else). Thing is, if on of those mofo tries and make Evangelion illegal, there'll be hell on hurt, that I swear. Oh and, joke appart, this whole thing about banning underage in sexual situations is most probably an attempt to *cleanse* japan of all its pedohiles/pedophiles-to-be. Just have to know if Fictionnal underage sexual content is what prevents child abuse, or if it's the complete opposite. I wonder. |
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| Do they actually think this will stop lolis or what? I'm going to laugh in my little corner while those people FAIL. Oh Japan... (that is a serious list btw) |
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