| Personally I hate vtubers and their community. I have been labeled some term called "anti" or whatever for that but it is legit unbearable. I know a lot of other people can't stand them but I legit don't understand what the appeal is beyond it being for the unfunniest and biggest losers. What do you think? Do you think vtubers are actually good? And why? |
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| not interested in them in the slightest, the few videos i've seen them in all i saw was real people desperately trying to imitate anime characters and it was verrrrry uncomfortable, like speaking completely differently than they ordinarily would etc it's just a bit much for me. no idea what that community is like |
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| I really, really don't like them. Some designs are beautiful though! But the community is what drives me away faster than a rich bitch with her new Porche. Can't avoid it, even if you just want to sit and watch, because the comment section will always be there, the chat will always be there, etc. I've never liked the way they moved around (torso moving with the head, torso only moving side to side and never forward or backward properly, etc), the voices are too high pitched and seem to just draw in men looking for waifu material, I just...I just can't. Plus, from what I hear, the companies are no better than, like, the k-pop or j-pop industry to some degree. One time, I remember Gura was talking about something or other, and she got a message from Hololive themselves saying something along the lines of "Stop talking about what you're talking about", and she had said to the chat that Hololive was telling her to stop talking about the current topic. Like god damn, it's her stream, she should be able to talk about whatever she wants. If she wants to talk about how she sprained her ankle, she's allowed to talk about that. But no, she can never be hurt, she can never be sad, she can't be...anything. She just has to be Gura. No pain, no nothing. Just a perfect shark anime girl. I feel awful. Like, I'm sure they're great people! From what clips I've seen, they don't seem to be bad by any means, but Christ. So to me, it just seems like...it's all artificial. There's no realism. It's why I like Vinny and Joel and the Vinesauce people. It's why I like RT, CallMeKeven, etc. They're able to be more real on stream (I know that people have a persona online compared to real life as well, I get it, but...more real compared to being hovered over by a multi-million dollar company, ya know?), and I appreciate that. |
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| Never watched them.....no plan of watching them in near future In general I like more real people around me and on social media too. The whole concept of vtuber is quite annoying to me in the first place. It's somewhat like living in a simulation kind of shit where everything is fake |
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| This is kind of a funny story. I play Neptunia games, and encountered virtual stars which was a pro vtuber game. I was rooting for the villains since the "antis" were the villains. I view vtuber stuff in the same way as egirl content as mostly mindless simp pandering to get lonely teens and men to waste money on a female streamer hoping to date them. Certainly some exceptions exist so I do not dislike all vtubers, but I can`t say I really watch much of it. |
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| Bad would be an understatement, but the V-tubers fanatics are even worse—if possible—than those fellows who hide behind ugly, awkwardly moving avatars to say—with a fake high-pitched voice—more mind-numbing things than an average MAL thread contains. It is said that Boulez died of a heart attack after listening to a V-tuber "song." |
Text101 said: Personally I hate vtubers and their community. I have been labeled some term called "anti" or whatever for that but it is legit unbearable. I know a lot of other people can't stand them but I legit don't understand what the appeal is beyond it being for the unfunniest and biggest losers. What do you think? Do you think vtubers are actually good? And why? Even autistic people need entertainment, they can't understand normal human emoting, thus they need oversaturized anime virtual youtubers |
| I don't watch them and I don't see the appeal. I didn't even know about them until very recently. |
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| The only vtubers I can really stand are Nyanners, Kizuna Ai and Ironmouse, and even then I can only watch them in very very small doses. I don't even have any opposition to watching a livestream, but something about vtubers just feels so fake. It freaks me out a little. |
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| I really like watching them and have for a while but I wouldn't go as far to say that I love them. I don't super chat, buy merch etc... |
| Ugh the cringe is unreal with their wanna be 12 year old voices and extremely awkward personality |
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| It really comes down to the individual entertainer some are better than others. I don't really watch any but I don't dislike the concept. |
| I liked some purely as something new, but otherwise I treat them as another form of idol. That is, without much interest or judgment. |
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| I like them but it gets stuffy in Hololive, Niji has it's moments every so often but it's still way more loose than Hololive. I also recommend Phase Connect for those who think similarly to me, there's more freedom for the talent. |
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| I mainly watch Suisei since she does a lot of really cool music stuff Like you can’t tell me these are not bops |
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| I don’t really have strong opinions. I have yet to actually watch a full stream, but if I had nothing else to do and actually felt like interacting some(havent felt inclined to yet) maybe on occasion I could see the appeal of that for some. I don’t think many realistically would watch every single stream if it’s like a daily thing that goes on for hours. I have watched clips and listened to some with ASMR sessions and listened to music some produced and some ive popped into their streams and watch a little while till i get bored or my internet starts glitching out and leave. Some Vtubers seem entertaining enough to watch for one reason or another though others I don’t even know how they have an audience the size they do. I dont have anything against the vtubers themselves doing this but I do take issue with Vtuber agencies just because the financial exploitation in that like any other industry. I know some are basically just being themselves behind an avatar and some are just trying to entirely act playing role of a character and some fall somewhere between. |
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Monochrosanity said: I dont really like her covers very much tbh, they just get recommended to me by youtube all the time and I try to ignore them.I mainly watch Suisei since she does a lot of really cool music stuff Like you can’t tell me these are not bops |
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| I now mainly tune Reine Karaoke cover (the Bilibili Reine, not Hololive one) when I'm at work because I don't really like the song tuned here. https://m.bilibili.com/space/698029620 Haven't watch VTuber live for months right here. Only clips. Text101 said: Different people likes different types of comedy I guess. Also if they belong in a group then people can see them as some kind of family. Otherwise it's just basically streamers with 2D avatars doing reactions and song cover and games.Personally I hate vtubers and their community. I have been labeled some term called "anti" or whatever for that but it is legit unbearable. I know a lot of other people can't stand them but I legit don't understand what the appeal is beyond it being for the unfunniest and biggest losers. What do you think? Do you think vtubers are actually good? And why? |
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Desolated said: Yeah but people can just have a bad sense of humor, and vtubers are for those people I guess.Different people likes different types of comedy I guess. Desolated said: Thats how any community works, especially the awful ones.Also if they belong in a group then people can see them as some kind of family. |
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Text101 said: Idk, people in a discord server I'm in often do the 😭😭😭 jokes anyways, so yup it's mostly catered towards degen weebs.Desolated said: Yeah but people can just have a bad sense of humor, and vtubers are for those people I guess.Different people likes different types of comedy I guess. Desolated said: Thats how any community works, especially the awful ones.Also if they belong in a group then people can see them as some kind of family. There are some exceptions though, such as Kobo which target audience seems to be quite of for normie Indonesians. @Meusnier Waaaa waaa modern art sucks!! Entertainment centuries ago is much better!! You know what? Entertainment is entertainment, and it's fucking subjective, the only thing that at is objective about it the amount of material needed to produce such entertainment. Go cry me a river. |
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| I got burned out on them. Too much content. I like Gura, and Ina, as personalities, along with a few others, but I can't keep up with their streams. But man, I don't understand the hatred for it either. I wish I could just wholeheartedly enjoy something like that. I miss that feeling Bananaloid said: It is her stream, but she still represents the company. Otherwise, she could just stream on her own. But then she wouldn't have access to hololive resources, so it's a trade off. I do agree, that some of the restrictions are really arbitrary though. It seems to be like that for most Vtuber "organizations" too, or whatever you want to call it.Plus, from what I hear, the companies are no better than, like, the k-pop or j-pop industry to some degree. One time, I remember Gura was talking about something or other, and she got a message from Hololive themselves saying something along the lines of "Stop talking about what you're talking about", and she had said to the chat that Hololive was telling her to stop talking about the current topic. Like god damn, it's her stream, she should be able to talk about whatever she wants. If she wants to talk about how she sprained her ankle, she's allowed to talk about that. But no, she can never be hurt, she can never be sad, she can't be...anything. She just has to be Gura. No pain, no nothing. Just a perfect shark anime girl. I feel awful. Like, I'm sure they're great people! From what clips I've seen, they don't seem to be bad by any means, but Christ. So to me, it just seems like...it's all artificial. There's no realism. |
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| Unrelated but, as someone who put a lot of effort in producing high pitched voice, all the negative comments about it being "fake" somewhat annoys me because it reminds me of the deep voice I produce without all those efforts that I hate. |
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| They are fine. I have not found one I enjoy watching yet but it is interesting to see how they are so different. |
| I do like Vtubers and their music is pretty good as well in my opinion. I mainly watch clips of Vtubers and streams not so much because of my short ass attention span. But I still find them as entertaining as any other entertainer I watch which is like 0 to none. |
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| completely agree with what you said. i think it's super cringy. like just stop for a second and think about the fact that most of them are grown women pretending to be anime waifus to appeal to horny weeaboos. there's absolutely no way you can argue that that's not the cringiest thing ever and that consuming vtuber content isn't the most pathetic thing ever |
| Honestly, I don’t get the hype either. I tried watching that shark girl and I found her boring and unfunny; I’d rather support real people with channels rather than made-up girls with imaginary lives that spend their time talking about a whole lot of nothing. The vtuber concept is interesting but I think they’re more or less a huge waste of time. |
| English vtubers are 100% cancer but I like some Japanese vtubers. My favorite is Oozora Subaru since she does varied content instead of just Apex/Minecraft/meme games like a lot of others. |
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evilturkey5 said: Different people likes different things.completely agree with what you said. i think it's super cringy. like just stop for a second and think about the fact that most of them are grown women pretending to be anime waifus to appeal to horny weeaboos. there's absolutely no way you can argue that that's not the cringiest thing ever and that consuming vtuber content isn't the most pathetic thing ever Who knows if what you like isn't liked by others? |
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| Right now I'm into Juniper aka Moth Mommy |
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| I saw some, but most of the time just clip. houshou marine is kinda funny especially when collab. |
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Desolated said: @Meusnier Waaaa waaa modern art sucks!! Entertainment centuries ago is much better!! You know what? Entertainment is entertainment, and it's fucking subjective, the only thing that at is objective about it the amount of material needed to produce such entertainment. Go cry me a river. Please, your pitiful videos do not qualify as modern—the first word that you do not understand in this post—art (sic), and when it comes to entertainment of the past, it was not about mindless blabber, but social games like Pharaoh, "sports"—because the concept of sports did not exist at the time—like jeu de paume, elegant games like diabolo. Children used to play with magic lanterns, it was something else than glorified gambling like Genshin Impact that will never lead anyone to write a page like Proust... Your enjoyment or art is indeed subjective, but the quality of art is not. In other words, you can—but you need good faith for that, something a gulag apologist is incapable of—recognise the value of something that you do not "like" or "enjoy." The very idea that good art should provoke a positive emotional response is already regressive. Is that so hard to understand for your crude soul? 'Tis too easy to hide against pseudo-subjectivism—that would make all discussions pointless—whiles you simply cannot fathom what objective criteria enter in the appreciation of an artwork. In a word, and as usual with you: Desolated said: evilturkey5 said: Different people likes different things.completely agree with what you said. i think it's super cringy. like just stop for a second and think about the fact that most of them are grown women pretending to be anime waifus to appeal to horny weeaboos. there's absolutely no way you can argue that that's not the cringiest thing ever and that consuming vtuber content isn't the most pathetic thing ever Who knows if what you like isn't liked by others? And stupid people like stupid things. If an old man's favourite anime is Lucky Star, I will have doubts about his intellectual maturity. Desolated said: Unrelated but, as someone who put a lot of effort in producing high pitched voice, all the negative comments about it being "fake" somewhat annoys me because it reminds me of the deep voice I produce without all those efforts that I hate. The world does not revolve around you, their voices are fake because they are not natural (dictionary definition); this is not how Japanese women speak, no matter how high-pitched their voices are. It is as stupid as if an average man was trying to speak like Miles Davis. Just listen to this video where a voice actress and Suisei speak, you see that even the "new" voice of Suisei sounds odd in comparison: |
Meusnier said: Unfortunately, art is ultimately indeed abt invoking positive emotions and beauty in life, no matter of what type. Art concepts that revolve ard the negative emotional values usually only provoke thinking processes or positive emotions. The ones that are sad tend to evoke empathy and the ones that are horrifying tend to make ppl laugh. The fear and disgust might be initial for most ppl, and those who cannot usually are advised not to proceed further. It is the same with gaming mediums that uses art of various types.Desolated said: @Meusnier Waaaa waaa modern art sucks!! Entertainment centuries ago is much better!! You know what? Entertainment is entertainment, and it's fucking subjective, the only thing that at is objective about it the amount of material needed to produce such entertainment. Go cry me a river. Please, your pitiful videos do not qualify as modern—the first word that you do not understand in this post—art (sic), and when it comes to entertainment of the past, it was not about mindless blabber, but social games like Pharaoh, "sports"—because the concept of sports did not exist at the time—like jeu de paume, elegant games like diabolo. Children used to play with magic lanterns, it was something else than glorified gambling like Genshin Impact that will never lead anyone to write a page like Proust... Your enjoyment or art is indeed subjective, but the quality of art is not. In other words, you can—but you need good faith for that, something a gulag apologist is incapable of—recognise the value of something that you do not "like" or "enjoy." The very idea that good art should provoke a positive emotional response is already regressive. Is that so hard to understand for your crude soul? 'Tis too easy to hide against pseudo-subjectivism—that would make all discussions pointless—whiles you simply cannot fathom what objective criteria enter in the appreciation of an artwork. In a word, and as usual with you: Desolated said: Different people likes different things. Who knows if what you like isn't liked by others? And stupid people like stupid things. If an old man's favourite anime is Lucky Star, I will have doubts about his intellectual maturity. Desolated said: Unrelated but, as someone who put a lot of effort in producing high pitched voice, all the negative comments about it being "fake" somewhat annoys me because it reminds me of the deep voice I produce without all those efforts that I hate. The world does not revolve around you, their voices are fake because they are not natural (dictionary definition); this is not how Japanese women speak, no matter how high-pitched their voices are. It is as stupid as if an average man was trying to speak like Miles Davis. Just listen to this video where a voice actress and Suisei speak, you see that even the "new" voice of Suisei sounds odd in comparison: Beside, the choice in voices is a personal choice. It's a fun process in which ppl imitate cute and childish voices. It will be strange to say that no one is aware of it. It is more likely that they are aware of the effects of voices that can bring positive effects. It's the same with singing. |
evilturkey5 said: grown women pretending to be anime waifus So exactly the same as anime seiyuus. |
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| I personally don't watch any of them, but sometimes I see a cool vtuber design and I'm like "Oh, I wonder from which anime they are!" to then find out they are a vtuber. So I guess their ´vtuber models (I don't know if this is the correct term) look amazing! But again, I don't watch them and I don't think I will. I think watching vtubers is cringey. Oh and I don't watch streams. |
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| It's the same thing with watching CGDCT anime. |
| I find the ones that ham up that "kawai animu gurl" personality are harder to watch. |
| I honestly don't understand why VTubers is a thing. Like I LOVE Let's Plays on Youtube of RPGs and etc like I have people that only have 10 Subscribers followed but I am either doing two things: ONE I am watching the game being played at 2180p and listen to the Youtuber talking about the game. I am 100000000000000% focused on the Game. It's like in a College Class in which the Professor is doing a slideshow and I am watching the slideshow and listening to the Professor. TWO I am doing something on my 30 inch screen in which I have the Window out of the way and I am listening to the Youtube Stream like how in the old days people would have the TV on when working in the house. === Watching some Cartoon character that leds to the Game being smaller to watch doesn't fit into any of the things. |
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Meusnier said: Quality of art is SUBJECTIVE, because there is absolutely zero quantitative method to measure such. Some people said 1 kilometer is too short, some say it's too long, that's SUBJECTIVE, just like "Quality of art". But the fact that it's 1 kilometer long is objective, because it can be measured.Desolated said: @Meusnier Waaaa waaa modern art sucks!! Entertainment centuries ago is much better!! You know what? Entertainment is entertainment, and it's fucking subjective, the only thing that at is objective about it the amount of material needed to produce such entertainment. Go cry me a river. Please, your pitiful videos do not qualify as modern—the first word that you do not understand in this post—art (sic), and when it comes to entertainment of the past, it was not about mindless blabber, but social games like Pharaoh, "sports"—because the concept of sports did not exist at the time—like jeu de paume, elegant games like diabolo. Children used to play with magic lanterns, it was something else than glorified gambling like Genshin Impact that will never lead anyone to write a page like Proust... Your enjoyment or art is indeed subjective, but the quality of art is not. In other words, you can—but you need good faith for that, something a gulag apologist is incapable of—recognise the value of something that you do not "like" or "enjoy." The very idea that good art should provoke a positive emotional response is already regressive. Is that so hard to understand for your crude soul? 'Tis too easy to hide against pseudo-subjectivism—that would make all discussions pointless—whiles you simply cannot fathom what objective criteria enter in the appreciation of an artwork. In a word, and as usual with you: Desolated said: Different people likes different things. Who knows if what you like isn't liked by others? And stupid people like stupid things. If an old man's favourite anime is Lucky Star, I will have doubts about his intellectual maturity. Desolated said: Unrelated but, as someone who put a lot of effort in producing high pitched voice, all the negative comments about it being "fake" somewhat annoys me because it reminds me of the deep voice I produce without all those efforts that I hate. The world does not revolve around you, their voices are fake because they are not natural (dictionary definition); this is not how Japanese women speak, no matter how high-pitched their voices are. It is as stupid as if an average man was trying to speak like Miles Davis. Just listen to this video where a voice actress and Suisei speak, you see that even the "new" voice of Suisei sounds odd in comparison: If I were to be given the exact same ingredients used in order to make Mona Lisa to make a painting of my own, and then I paint some random shit, then it's still objective that I use the same amount of material needed to make Mona Lisa;it can be measured with metric, quantitative values. Most will probably enjoy the former more, as I'm not a painter, and that's subjective. Afterall, you CAN'T measure it with metric, quantitative values. Then why the necessity to mention "high pitched"? I mean, VTubers (as well as streamers, comedians, anime seiyuu, some ASMRtist, etc) are roleplaying. So obviously it isn't their original personality, and everyone knows that. Thinking that irl Suisei has the same personality as when she's VTubing is the same as thinking that irl Rieri has the same personality as Takagi. You act as if most of the fans are unaware of that? Lol. Are you salty that no friends of yours cosplay as Konata and have sex with you as a joke? The 1907's entertainment on the picture you post looking like some filthy bourgeois doing some stupid shit for me. At least Genshin Impact have stories and world explorations and stuff. |
DesolatedJan 16, 2023 1:20 AM
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Butterfly_White said: A lot of vtubers are independent for reasons. The ones at Hololive are bound by contracts and they seem to do very similar stuff to each other. The only difference is that the English audiences and the Japanese audiences hv different expectations. The slight different nuance in catering designs and speaking do show they are at least slightly aware of it. VShoujo as well. I remember someone getting laid off for a breach of contract. I've got nothing against that in of itself, though. It makes it easier for Vtubers to find a community. Its not like they need to be apart of a company. I do think that Vtubers would be better off working for themselves, but I think there needs to be a little bit more creative in order to stand out. I think the anime girl niche has become oversaturated at this point. |
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Butterfly_White said: This is the first I hear of it. But yea, if you talking abt the hololive one, I'm pretty sure she's independent now. I seen it in a video explaining the details. I also saw her new channel briefly. I think it's really up to them but from what I hear, doing everything yourself can be pretty difficult. Tho, being independent do allow the freedom to do smth differently. And yea, there are a lot of ppl using those vtuber models now. That even includes some gaming channels now, doing explanations on games' mechanics, and even some uses it to teach programming. Yeah, would definitely be a lot more difficult. You figure, you need to design everything yourself, market yourself, or hire someone else to manage all that. So there's no guarantee that it will pay off. Risk can be a really good thing, as it at least gives you 100% creative freedom, but that's why most YouTubers say to do it because you love it, first and foremost. True, even commentary channels, with cartoon avatars, are kind of a proto "PNGTuber" if you think about it. I would say that it is just a staple of internet content creation, to have an avatar like that. But I'm sure that there is a lot more that can be done with it. |
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Butterfly_White said: Well yup, but I can sing 2 octaves above with enough effort, I guess.StarfireDragon said: A lot of vtubers are independent for reasons. The ones at Hololive are bound by contracts and they seem to do very similar stuff to each other. The only difference is that the English audiences and the Japanese audiences hv different expectations. The slight different nuance in catering designs and speaking do show they are at least slightly aware of it.I got burned out on them. Too much content. I like Gura, and Ina, as personalities, along with a few others, but I can't keep up with their streams. But man, I don't understand the hatred for it either. I wish I could just wholeheartedly enjoy something like that. I miss that feeling It is her stream, but she still represents the company. Otherwise, she could just stream on her own. But then she wouldn't have access to hololive resources, so it's a trade off. I do agree, that some of the restrictions are really arbitrary though. It seems to be like that for most Vtuber "organizations" too, or whatever you want to call it. Desolated said: How high is your pitch? Isn't it pretty hard to maintain above a certain speaking range?Unrelated but, as someone who put a lot of effort in producing high pitched voice, all the negative comments about it being "fake" somewhat annoys me because it reminds me of the deep voice I produce without all those efforts that I hate. |
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| I first watched Kizuna Ai in 2017. Since then I've been on/off with vtubers. My biggest problem is that I'm just not into live streaming. I need to watch on my time and my pace. The other big problem I had was with the language barrier. I tried Hololive EN when first gen debuted, but none of them really kept my interest very long. I've seen quite a few funny clips from JP group and I like a few of the personalities, and some make good music. Otherwise I'm not really "into" Vtubers at this point. I could probably still name every Hololive member so obviously I was into it at one point, I just hit a point where the limitations I listed above stopped me from going any further. |
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