Your opinion on vtubers?

Text101 said:
Personally I hate vtubers and their community. I have been labeled some term called "anti" or whatever for that but it is legit unbearable. I know a lot of other people can't stand them but I legit don't understand what the appeal is beyond it being for the unfunniest and biggest losers. 

What do you think? Do you think vtubers are actually good? And why?

Monochrosanity said:
I mainly watch Suisei since she does a lot of really cool music stuff


Like you can’t tell me these are not bops

Text101 said:
Personally I hate vtubers and their community. I have been labeled some term called "anti" or whatever for that but it is legit unbearable. I know a lot of other people can't stand them but I legit don't understand what the appeal is beyond it being for the unfunniest and biggest losers. 

What do you think? Do you think vtubers are actually good? And why?

Desolated said:
Different people likes different types of comedy I guess.

Desolated said:
Also if they belong in a group then people can see them as some kind of family.

Text101 said:
Yeah but people can just have a bad sense of humor, and vtubers are for those people I guess.

Thats how any community works, especially the awful ones.

Bananaloid said:
Plus, from what I hear, the companies are no better than, like, the k-pop or j-pop industry to some degree. One time, I remember Gura was talking about something or other, and she got a message from Hololive themselves saying something along the lines of "Stop talking about what you're talking about", and she had said to the chat that Hololive was telling her to stop talking about the current topic.

Like god damn, it's her stream, she should be able to talk about whatever she wants. If she wants to talk about how she sprained her ankle, she's allowed to talk about that. But no, she can never be hurt, she can never be sad, she can't be...anything. She just has to be Gura. No pain, no nothing. Just a perfect shark anime girl. I feel awful. Like, I'm sure they're great people! From what clips I've seen, they don't seem to be bad by any means, but Christ. So to me, it just seems like...it's all artificial. There's no realism.

evilturkey5 said:
completely agree with what you said. i think it's super cringy. like just stop for a second and think about the fact that most of them are grown women pretending to be anime waifus to appeal to horny weeaboos. there's absolutely no way you can argue that that's not the cringiest thing ever and that consuming vtuber content isn't the most pathetic thing ever

StarfireDragon said:
I got burned out on them. Too much content. I like Gura, and Ina, as personalities, along with a few others, but I can't keep up with their streams. But man, I don't understand the hatred for it either. I wish I could just wholeheartedly enjoy something like that. I miss that feeling
It is her stream, but she still represents the company. Otherwise, she could just stream on her own. But then she wouldn't have access to hololive resources, so it's a trade off. I do agree, that some of the restrictions are really arbitrary though. It seems to be like that for most Vtuber "organizations" too, or whatever you want to call it.

Desolated said:
Unrelated but, as someone who put a lot of effort in producing high pitched voice, all the negative comments about it being "fake" somewhat annoys me because it reminds me of the deep voice I produce without all those efforts that I hate.

Desolated said:
@Meusnier

Waaaa waaa modern art sucks!! Entertainment centuries ago is much better!!
You know what? Entertainment is entertainment, and it's fucking subjective, the only thing that at is objective about it the amount of material needed to produce such entertainment. 

Go cry me a river.

Desolated said:
Different people likes different things.

Who knows if what you like isn't liked by others?

Desolated said:
Unrelated but, as someone who put a lot of effort in producing high pitched voice, all the negative comments about it being "fake" somewhat annoys me because it reminds me of the deep voice I produce without all those efforts that I hate.

Meusnier said:

Please, your pitiful videos do not qualify as modern—the first word that you do not understand in this post—art (sic), and when it comes to entertainment of the past, it was not about mindless blabber, but social games like Pharaoh, "sports"—because the concept of sports did not exist at the time—like jeu de paume, elegant games like diabolo. Children used to play with magic lanterns, it was something else than glorified gambling like Genshin Impact that will never lead anyone to write a page like Proust...


Your enjoyment or art is indeed subjective, but the quality of art is not. In other words, you can—but you need good faith for that, something a gulag apologist is incapable of—recognise the value of something that you do not "like" or "enjoy." The very idea that good art should provoke a positive emotional response is already regressive. Is that so hard to understand for your crude soul? 'Tis too easy to hide against pseudo-subjectivism—that would make all discussions pointless—whiles you simply cannot fathom what objective criteria enter in the appreciation of an artwork. In a word, and as usual with you:



And stupid people like stupid things. If an old man's favourite anime is Lucky Star, I will have doubts about his intellectual maturity.


The world does not revolve around you, their voices are fake because they are not natural (dictionary definition); this is not how Japanese women speak, no matter how high-pitched their voices are. It is as stupid as if an average man was trying to speak like Miles Davis.

Just listen to this video where a voice actress and Suisei speak, you see that even the "new" voice of Suisei sounds odd in comparison:

evilturkey5 said:
grown women pretending to be anime waifus

Meusnier said:

Please, your pitiful videos do not qualify as modern—the first word that you do not understand in this post—art (sic), and when it comes to entertainment of the past, it was not about mindless blabber, but social games like Pharaoh, "sports"—because the concept of sports did not exist at the time—like jeu de paume, elegant games like diabolo. Children used to play with magic lanterns, it was something else than glorified gambling like Genshin Impact that will never lead anyone to write a page like Proust...


Your enjoyment or art is indeed subjective, but the quality of art is not. In other words, you can—but you need good faith for that, something a gulag apologist is incapable of—recognise the value of something that you do not "like" or "enjoy." The very idea that good art should provoke a positive emotional response is already regressive. Is that so hard to understand for your crude soul? 'Tis too easy to hide against pseudo-subjectivism—that would make all discussions pointless—whiles you simply cannot fathom what objective criteria enter in the appreciation of an artwork. In a word, and as usual with you:



And stupid people like stupid things. If an old man's favourite anime is Lucky Star, I will have doubts about his intellectual maturity.


The world does not revolve around you, their voices are fake because they are not natural (dictionary definition); this is not how Japanese women speak, no matter how high-pitched their voices are. It is as stupid as if an average man was trying to speak like Miles Davis.

Just listen to this video where a voice actress and Suisei speak, you see that even the "new" voice of Suisei sounds odd in comparison:

Butterfly_White said:
A lot of vtubers are independent for reasons. The ones at Hololive are bound by contracts and they seem to do very similar stuff to each other. The only difference is that the English audiences and the Japanese audiences hv different expectations. The slight different nuance in catering designs and speaking do show they are at least slightly aware of it.

StarfireDragon said:


VShoujo as well. I remember someone getting laid off for a breach of contract. I've got nothing against that in of itself, though. It makes it easier for Vtubers to find a community. Its not like they need to be apart of a company.

I do think that Vtubers would be better off working for themselves, but I think there needs to be a little bit more creative in order to stand out. I think the anime girl niche has become oversaturated at this point.

Butterfly_White said:
This is the first I hear of it. But yea, if you talking abt the hololive one, I'm pretty sure she's independent now. I seen it in a video explaining the details. I also saw her new channel briefly. 
I think it's really up to them but from what I hear, doing everything yourself can be pretty difficult. Tho, being independent do allow the freedom to do smth differently. 

And yea, there are a lot of ppl using those vtuber models now. That even includes some gaming channels now, doing explanations on games' mechanics, and even some uses it to teach programming.

Butterfly_White said:
A lot of vtubers are independent for reasons. The ones at Hololive are bound by contracts and they seem to do very similar stuff to each other. The only difference is that the English audiences and the Japanese audiences hv different expectations. The slight different nuance in catering designs and speaking do show they are at least slightly aware of it.

How high is your pitch? Isn't it pretty hard to maintain above a certain speaking range?

Desolated said:
Well yup, but I can sing 2 octaves above with enough effort, I guess.

Monochrosanity said:
I mainly watch Suisei since she does a lot of really cool music stuff


Like you can’t tell me these are not bops