Woke-ism is why comics and their cartoons will stay dead and manga and its anime will always be supreme and superior
| supermany is now gay next robin is gay everyone is gay now since marvel and DC think being queer is something revolutionary, comics continues to implode cuz of shit like this where the writers are more concerned about what the characters want to put their genitals in rather than actually making interesting stories with them and now, marvel made tumbler into a bunch of superheroes. bravo but money doesn't seem to be a problem for marvel anymore considering the MCU is their money casher now. ''if you don't like my politics, don't buy my books'' & ''we're very worried about comics...sales are down... stores are closing...numbers that would have got you cancelled are now a hit'' and just like those writers, their ''audience'' adopted their hardline self impolding approach as well. where they are intolerant to any form of criticism for example, i encountered a user once in reddit who posted their criticism of the woke approach DC/marvel does with their woke shippings over actual story subsustance, and thus got flagged as uncivil following an instant lock since criticizing these stuff is a big no no. longer/complete version: summarized version: DC and marvel should step up their story game instead of using their characters for some token points. ruining the characters' historical backgrounds and forcefully altering established stories to make it feasible to use the characters in some sort of woke act/political tool like shipping them with people they normally wouldn't have cuz they are minorites or of the same sex/queer with no regards to character consistency is awful writing, and an extreme tokenism that pretty much only hurts the story, and it shouldn't be cuz there is always a room for that stuff rather than forcing it into a character as a soapbox just cuz they're popular. an understandable take, but one that is bigoted from the perspective of those woke readers. so they won't even have any form of discussion with any viewpoint that doesn't support their woke-ism. at this point, i'm not surprised why comics are dead and manga rein supreme. it's cuz the comics have been satured with american socio politicis, woke-ism, and all that awful stuff. manga is a safe haven from that, and i hope it stays that way forever. |
otto-rimuruDec 17, 2021 4:57 PM
| I feel you're going to get a lot of shit for this thread, maybe I don't know since I'm not super regular on MAL, but I generally agree with you. I think independent comics will get bigger than marvel at some point, because whilst there are more gay people in the west now, I think the people actually interested in comics are less interested in who they're banging and more of their backstory etc, and frankly that's taken a backseat in recent years which is a shame. I never thought comics in the west (beyond some graphic novels) held much of a flame to most manga, but it's especially bad now. I hope manga stays in it's own lane as well, and with the fairly decentralized (not meaning there are no major companies, there definitely are, but there are just TWO companies that produce manga largescale like with DC and Marvel) aspect of it, I think it'll be generally safe. |
| I agree that Western media can be very political and it ruins the entertainment value, but at the same time, some Japanese media seems so outdated in comparison. I don't find this too much with manga, maybe I'm just not reading those sorts of series, but with anime it feels like there are shows that just haven't progressed in like twenty years. I've really struggled getting into anime in the past decade because so much of it seems the same. Barely anything is innovating. |
| woke-ism?? political?? gay people are real bro. not a political statement. |
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| Yeah american comic industry is as good as dead They fukin insert their politics into everything I wanna see some action not some weirdass new warriors propaganda shit Those diversities exist. But enter them in a way that is plot relevant and they have a personality other than having a new gender or belonging from a rando country Fukin stan lee's twitter announced one of his "diversity champion" hero's nft God damn it. Like seriously what the hell |
Za_PandaDec 15, 2021 10:32 AM
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| DC Comics are paying close attention to the success of manga. So much so, that they quietly introduced a manga version of Batman and Superman, and may introduce more manga for the other popular heroes as well. There is ＳＵＰＥＲＭＡＮ ｖｓ飯 スーパーマンのひとり飯（１） or Superman vs Cooked Rice: One-meal of superman https://booklive.jp/product/index/title_id/1022019/vol_no/001 and ＢＡＴＭＡＮ ＪＵＳＴＩＣＥ ＢＵＳＴＥＲ https://booklive.jp/product/index/title_id/998630/vol_no/001 now, to be clear, DC is not the ones producing it, but rather they licensed the series. these manga are produced by Japanese authors. |
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| I 100% agree. I feel like the west just doesn't give a shit about narrative or entertainment value anymore and instead focuses on pushing some kind of woke political agenda. I don't want to read something horribly written that's only purpose is to satisfy woke people, I want to read something fun with narrative value. Hence why I stick to entertainment outside of the west, they aren't forced to do any of this shit and do whatever the hell they want, and that makes them much more enjoyable to read. The west just doesn't care about narrative value or characterization anymore. |
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| Lol, those videos are by backwards, hateful, conservative types. Nobody cares what they think. There's nothing wrong with having LGBT characters in media. We exist. Deal with it. |
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| Comics make the mistake of trying to be blatent propaganda marketing to an audience that is far too niche to profit. Anime/Manga creators actually realize the importants of marketing to a target demographic that actually will consume their products. This is why anime/manga characters are made to look far more visually appealing than western stuff. Also, why Japan makes such great lolis. |
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| What's great about gay Superman is it proves conclusively that profit is not even remotely the main concern of the people putting this stuff out. |
| Sam Morril had a good point about this. He was like, "You know they're gonna fuck it up. The villain's gonna say, 'You heroes are all freaks - except for you, you're brave.'" I mean, I get representation and all, but I feel like it's all just tokenism. Anyway, I don't really care what happens on that front, tbh. |
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Ru2bombfatboy said: Woke has Ben apart of anime forever it's not bad or good. Shows like RWBY, black lagoon claymore. Have woke bilt in, grate shows. Coboy bebob, I'd argue has it's woke moments. Non binary people have Ben in anime for years. It's an archetype. But when you produce reasons to restrict creativity or create an environment where only sertin ideology is excepted, that's where the problem is. If you want to understand the problem. Look what Netflix did to cowboy bebob. Or watch the anime insanity lost children. It's a vague line but forcing wokeness into a show instead of natural development of the situation undercuts the problem >1 post >No Avatar Every fucking time. Stop trying to peddle your bullshit. These things are not at all comparable. |
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| Yeah, wokism has proven to be the single most destructive force ever to hit Western entertainment media. 😓 Doctor Who, StarTrek, Starwars, DC, Marvel, Disney... probably Lord of the Rings too. Billion $$$ franchises and businesses wrecked beyond salvation. Truly a frightening situation. Thank god for anime and manga. 👍  |
| Fun fact: comic books have always been political. |
IKKIsama said: Fun fact: comic books have always been political. This is such a non argument, and it never ceases to amaze me how often it is used. |
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| I think it's more so just that comics are a lot harder to get into than manga. For comicbooks a lot of them build onto each other and have dozens of spin offs/reboots with various artists/writers switching off. While for manga they're self-contained easy to follow stories. Even though they probably got a bit of a boost due to the success of superhero movies, comics seem to always have been really niche. I don't think a writer giving Superman a boyfriend caused a sudden downfall, that's just the way it's been. And there's plenty of gay/"woke" stuff already in manga too. I think manga just has more accessible stories and fandoms. |
| If comic writers would make there own characters and setting instead of using someone else character and keep banking of fame then it may be worth reading. The problem is not that superman is gay. The real problem. Is he is gay, straight , female, bi, evil, dog, mutant, beast...everything or anything depending which writer u pick. Now even if he become poop, I wont be surprised |
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| OP you realize there have been gay and transgender characters in manga since like the 1960s, right? You realize that Japan has had gay anime airing since the late 1970s, right? Like you came into this forum and made this thread because you were mad at gays existing in burger comics fully knowing that gays also exist in Japanese media, and have since like The Tale of Genji? Like I can level with you that Western comics suck but it's not because of the Woke Left or whatever. It's because Marvel and DC have terrible executive staff that force writers to make stupid decisions for exposure/engagement. And as a matter of fact Marvel/DC editorial is super homophobic and pushes back against LGBT rep except for when they know it's gonna get idiots on the internet riled up. I am sorry if your world is so small you can only conceptualize it as an Us vs. Them scenario where heterosexuals are being bullied and oppressed by the Woke Mob drawing fictional characters kissing in comic books, but I promise you that everything ever is infinitely more complex and nuanced than that. Open your mind, go read a femboy romcom or something. |
| Oh, get real, people who constantly whine about "woke-ism" and SJW don't even read comics, it's always Marvel and DC getting all the flack as if they were the only western comics publishers that exist. Go read something else like from the hundreds of publishers that exist across the americas and europe instead of whining that commercial mainstream comics are taking commercial and mainstream creative decisions. |
| Superman being gay isn't why comics are failing. Comics are failing because they're uninspired, difficult to access, and difficult to get into. Western graphic novels and manga, on the other hand, are thriving. One of the biggest western GNs is Heartstopper, about the relationship between two high school boys. This isn't about alleged "wokeism." |
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| I don't care if characters are gay, bi, etc. But if their sexuality is the main driving point in a story it's lame. Also, I prefer when politics are more subtle. There's nothing wrong with including them into your story, but when it's constantly jammed into your face without objectivity it feels like I'm reading a propaganda piece rather than a well-written work of fiction. DC and Marvel both have amazing characters, but constantly produce mediocre stories with "feel good" left-wing moments that dilute anything good about it. |
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| Woke-ism is certainly killing comics, but animations? I feel like recently western animations have gotten better than ever! we had invincible, we had arcane, we had castlevania. we had Primal, they are only a few, but only a few we never had before. |
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| lol, good one. Bonus points for linking a literal christofascist. It's amazing how a handful of irrelevant anecdotes get turned into another conservative strawman conspiracy, especially when the supposed target audience criticized it themselves. This is the exact sort of market freedom the right pretends to advocate for, but as soon as something challenges their bigoted herd mentality (naturally, they focus on the weakest examples) they turn into the very snowflakes they imagine others to be (though they're fine with all the other exploitation involved to draw customers) The need to make profit limits the risks artists are willing to take, which is why there are so many run-of-the-mill type shows that pander to a specific audience. You see plenty of this in Japanese media as well. The fundamental problem is capitalism for producing such insipid media. |
 A society which fails to uphold empathy as its foremost guiding principle is doomed to ignore or even defend the exploitation of its most vulnerable members. |
| Everything is much simpler. The Japanese entertainment industry cares about its target audience, while the Western one perceives it as an ignorant crowd that needs to be educated with a "message". And who, moreover, is more used to listening to the vocal minority on Twitter than to her target audience. You will never meet a Japanese author who offends his audience, be too intrusive with politics (to the extent that writers often separately request permission to comment on politics in public places), or uses his work to attack his opponents. Because it will immediately cost him his career and reputation. |
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otto-rimuru said: supermany is now gay next robin is gay everyone is gay now since marvel and DC think being queer is something revolutionary, comics continues to implode cuz of shit like this where the writers are more concerned about what the characters want to put their genitals in rather than actually making interesting stories with them and now, marvel made tumbler into a bunch of superheroes. bravo but money doesn't seem to be a problem for marvel anymore considering the MCU is their money casher now. Uh, you do realize that Yaoi and Yuri genre exist in anime/manga right. So according to your logic, there's woke-ism in manga too. So are you going to attack manga for being woke because of yaoi and yuri genre. So you're attacking Superman and Robin for going LGBTQ, yet somehow you never thought about the yaoi and yuri genre in manga and anime. |
| gay is bad someone needs to wake up. wake em up, not that i read comic nowadays |
HalcyonSky said: lol, good one. Bonus points for linking a literal christofascist. It's amazing how a handful of irrelevant anecdotes get turned into another conservative strawman conspiracy, especially when the supposed target audience criticized it themselves. This is the exact sort of market freedom the right pretends to advocate for, but as soon as something challenges their bigoted herd mentality (naturally, they focus on the weakest examples) they turn into the very snowflakes they imagine others to be (though they're fine with all the other exploitation involved to draw customers) The need to make profit limits the risks artists are willing to take, which is why there are so many run-of-the-mill type shows that pander to a specific audience. You see plenty of this in Japanese media as well. The fundamental problem is capitalism for producing such insipid media. > strawman Wake up to reality. Comics like that really exist. Give them an inch and they take a mile. Remember the Miles Morales Asgard comic. At what point do you say enough is enough. This vague argument you have will not help anyone. Trying to obscure or reduce things that are actually happening is strange. The videos were made to address comics and movements in comics that are actually occurring in real life. |
killer918 said: HalcyonSky said: lol, good one. Bonus points for linking a literal christofascist. It's amazing how a handful of irrelevant anecdotes get turned into another conservative strawman conspiracy, especially when the supposed target audience criticized it themselves. This is the exact sort of market freedom the right pretends to advocate for, but as soon as something challenges their bigoted herd mentality (naturally, they focus on the weakest examples) they turn into the very snowflakes they imagine others to be (though they're fine with all the other exploitation involved to draw customers) The need to make profit limits the risks artists are willing to take, which is why there are so many run-of-the-mill type shows that pander to a specific audience. You see plenty of this in Japanese media as well. The fundamental problem is capitalism for producing such insipid media. > strawman Wake up to reality. Comics like that really exist. Give them an inch and they take a mile. Remember the Miles Morales Asgard comic. At what point do you say enough is enough. This vague argument you have will not help anyone. Trying to obscure or reduce things that are actually happening is strange. The videos were made to address comics and movements in comics that are actually occurring in real life. I never said they don't exist; I explicitly called them irrelevant (in terms of the impact they have) and are subject to criticism as anything else, the difference between us is that my concern is HOW these concepts are used rather than that they were used at all. The point I am challenging is this thread's title: that the inclusion of progressive values in a work of media is itself detrimental to the work; a claim I find laughable because only a bigot would think such a thing. Artistic media have always pushed boundaries, which is why authoritarians usually limit artistic expression, and why anyone criticizing media for reasons other than the execution must have their motives questioned. “Books are well written, or badly written. That is all.” - Oscar Wilde To illustrate further, the reboot of Doctor Who has always been progressive, but where the earlier seasons had finesse in including such themes, starting with season 13 it become what the creator of this thread would condemn as woke. We can agree that the latter example is bad, but I say so because the writing is horseshit (for more on this topic, Jay Exci has a 5 hour video essay on Youtube. Jay is also nonbinary if I'm not mistaken). As for my strawman claim, when weak examples that are easy to condemn like this are highlighted and generalized over industries to paint a narrative that some group is out to get you, I think it's pretty fair to call that deceitful. You see this tactic all the time in conservative propaganda, and threads like this are a product of it. If something is bad, make sure to call it bad for the right reasons, and I know for a fact that people like Michael Knowles in the first video have a bigoted agenda and are not acting in good faith. |
HalcyonSkyJul 19, 2022 3:06 PM
A society which fails to uphold empathy as its foremost guiding principle is doomed to ignore or even defend the exploitation of its most vulnerable members. |
| Agreed. Its not just a problem with comics but American tv shows and other media as well. They are forcibly adding these unnecessary and irrelevant content. They think that they look more progressive or they are sending a message through this and they are gaining new audience that contains the Lgbtq supporting group. What they dont realize is that by doing so they are losing a far bigger audience. |
If you enjoyed the time you wasted, then its not a waste of time.  |
| You are speaking like losing an audience of bigots and reactionary twats is not a win. Too bad that doesn't happen, because they still watch the shows to create hate speech clickbait content, and that in turn ends up benefitting the companies because they generate traction towards those shows. |
| This is why japanese shits are the best :heart:, they can separate the lgbt themes for one who wanted to watch them instead of randomly push child comics with politics or stuff like that, having an lgbt character in a media, depends on the representation, it could be either supportive or ignored to death, like persona 2 and jojos, Tatsuya and Dio are bi, and? continue it, there's no make out scene anyways, i wish i could spill some spoilers, but nah. on the supportive side, it goes by either lycoris and lightyear (ignore the thread name 💀) imo |
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| Never read American comics but don't worry, won't be long before Japanese authors start doing the same, people thinking that the west has absolutely no influence over Japan are just living in their own bubble. |
| Even if this is old thread, i'll still comment to say people should just say superhero comics if they talk about Marvel and DC, and preferably also say USA/American comics. Because I'm tired of people talking about comics when mf don't even pick up any other comic beside from those two big publishers. And Japan has had politically charged comics and still does, but you know those aren't shonen jump comics. I have several of those in my collection, like a manga written just for anti-nuclear magazine. There is whole history and theories on development to more "mindless" entertainment, related to Japan's own turbulent political history, but what ever. I don't think that many people on mal care about stuff like that. jal90 said: People seem to forget a saying that especially users here like to preach, "if you don't like it don't read/watch it".You are speaking like losing an audience of bigots and reactionary twats is not a win. Too bad that doesn't happen, because they still watch the shows to create hate speech clickbait content, and that in turn ends up benefitting the companies because they generate traction towards those shows. |
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konkelo said: jal90 said: People seem to forget a saying that especially users here like to preach, "if you don't like it don't read/watch it".You are speaking like losing an audience of bigots and reactionary twats is not a win. Too bad that doesn't happen, because they still watch the shows to create hate speech clickbait content, and that in turn ends up benefitting the companies because they generate traction towards those shows. I guess its because we used to love these Marvel and DC comics. We have our childhood in them and we care about them. So it isn't easy to just turn a blind eye when a thing that we once loved became like this. |
If you enjoyed the time you wasted, then its not a waste of time. |
FZREMAKE said: I also have many comic series I loved as a child and where I see more modern works of them weaker, and yes I get that those can be huge part of one's childhood. But I seriously don't get why pick a comic, that you know you aren't the target demographic, you aren't particularly fan of the writer nor artist, you are already set on it can't be as good as the stuff you prefer. Even less if you make yt video of it, just about 10 minutes long to get that sweet green cash. That's essentially just doing what @jal90 said.konkelo said: People seem to forget a saying that especially users here like to preach, "if you don't like it don't read/watch it". I guess its because we used to love these Marvel and DC comics. We have our childhood in them and we care about them. So it isn't easy to just turn a blind eye when a thing that we once loved became like this. |
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| Precisely. based misogynist and racist Japan with its pedophiic undertones is a superior alternative to the cringe woke-fest that is American comix |
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| Manga was always superior to comics, even before they became woke garbage. |
| imagine caring about this, lol. |
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| I heard DC even making Batman bisexual... lol first they turned Harley and Poison Ivy bisexual.... I wasn't happy, they had a very good friendship that i liked and it was ruined now but i was like ok, eveyone has gay people in their lives after all and Batman comics lack the reprasantation for sure. Then came the lesbian Batwoman. I even followed her comics, J.H Willams III art was phenomanal, one of my favorite artists and that's why i followed Batwoman comics. Then they made Tim Drake bisexual... That was fun, i had some homofobic Tim fan friends who were grown up with The Chuck Dixon run. Tim was very near and dear to their hearts until DC turned him Bisexual. I really made fun of them like Tim is homo now HA HA ! They all quitted American Comics now. Calling it for gays... And i am not sure how right they are... Because DC really attampts to turn Batman bisexual today... And that is it... If Batman turns bisexual, i am done with DC. Fuck this shit... Everyone knows 99% of gays are soft coward bitches who are even afaraid of their own shadows. They will start to cry with even a slightest threat of bitch slap... Gay super hero my ass... I was tolarent of them until now but Batman is my red line, if they make him gay... I am done with DC. |
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