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Feb 28, 2022 4:53 PM
#1
There are plenty of bad sequels in anime, but I'm curious about whether a bad sequel can affect the enjoyment of the original. On one hand, the original is exactly the same. Nothing has changed. On the other hand, a sequel can spoil the whole show for you. So, I want to see you guys' opinion on this. |
Feb 28, 2022 4:54 PM
#2
Yes, the old 2000s Fruits Basket looks unwatchable to me compared to the most recent one. |
Feb 28, 2022 5:40 PM
#3
What does sequel even mean in this context? |
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Feb 28, 2022 5:44 PM
#4
Ofcourse it can. Just look at Shitgeki no Kyojin: The Final Season. |
Feb 28, 2022 9:38 PM
#5
Feb 28, 2022 11:16 PM
#6
Yeah it CAN mess up an original work at times, but what's really messed up is when a sequel is actually a prequel to the events of an original show. When an anime series has run out of possibilities as an actual sequel sequel and sets the events before and then the events seen in that basically out shine what starts it all... or there's problems in continuity. PAILSEN FILES from Armored Trooper VOTOMS kind of has this problem. What we see take place just prior to the original 1983 series doesn't make sense to the MC's bewilderment and evolution in the original story. Then you have stuff that's purely a sequel like MACROSS II: Lovers Again (though it was later ret conned as an "alternate universe" Macross show once Macross 7 and Macross Plus became a thing), that really didn't do much to advance the original and was basically the original all over again tweaked. |
Feb 28, 2022 11:44 PM
#7
You are indirectly talking for Naruto shippudden |
Feb 28, 2022 11:45 PM
#8
Not in my eyes. I can separate those as different products... Like for me Indiana Jones 3 never happened, same thing with the sequels of the Star Wars trilogy and the prequels are only important as the setting of The Clone Wars cartoon. To give some anime examples: I still like Yamato 2199 despite Yamato 2202 being a big mess and surprisingly the first Yamato 2205 movie is decent. Also B: The Beginning season 2 never happened in my head canon. But people get upset. Maybe they attach themselves too much to those fictional worlds and characters. Grendizer_ said: What we see take place just prior to the original 1983 series doesn't make sense to the MC's bewilderment and evolution in the original story. Wait, isn't Chirico's personality wiped out periodically? Like the guy from the 1983 is probably a reboot of the Pailsen Files one? What doesn't make sense to me are the retcons we get in Soukou Kihei Votoms: Koei Futatabi and Soukou Kihei Votoms: Genei-hen...still those OVAs are one of the best things in the franchise. |
alshuFeb 28, 2022 11:55 PM
Feb 28, 2022 11:54 PM
#9
index s3 is the perfect example for this. there's a continuous story, that reaches it's climax during the final act, (duh.) the start is admittedly not very good, partly because kamachi wrote it when he was in high school. he got better over time, there are drastic improvements just a few arcs in. every arc seems more interesting with deeper involvement from all big players, then... s3 is the biggest rush job I've seen in anime, and I've seen a lot. technically occultic9's _story_ was more rushed, in the sense that the characters seem talk at 2x speed but it feels like you get the complete story. with index, it's a list of key events, shortened as much as possible. it's a checklist with no natural flow. that, and the art is awful. not as bad as OPM s2's which was done by jcstaff around the same time frame, but it was a massive downgrade. so with index it's s1: good, s2: better and it stops there. the best is missing. feels like a huge waste of time in hindsight, it did leave a sour taste. it was 4 years ago and I still keep bitching about it, I can't look at the series without getting reminded what I was robbed of. |
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Mar 1, 2022 12:03 AM
#10
Sequels/endings can definitely elevate a franchise by giving meaning and cohesion to the whole story. (e.g. imo, 5 Centimeters Per Second would be much less remarkable if it had a different ending) And on the flipside, sequels/endings can devalue a whole narrative. Examples include The Promised Neverland and Violet Evergarden, imo. |
Mar 1, 2022 12:17 AM
#11
alshu said: Grendizer_ said: What we see take place just prior to the original 1983 series doesn't make sense to the MC's bewilderment and evolution in the original story. Wait, isn't Chirico's personality wiped out periodically? Like the guy from the 1983 is probably a reboot of the Pailsen Files one? What doesn't make sense to me are the retcons we get in Soukou Kihei Votoms: Koei Futatabi and Soukou Kihei Votoms: Genei-hen...still those OVAs are one of the best things in the franchise. Well what I mean is, when the original series came out, Chirico had just come out of Red Shoulders Battalion (but we don't know that yet ---as seen later in Roots of Ambition), and he's legitimately scarred and bewildered by his taking place on the Operation Lido Raid against his own people. But with all the stuff that Chirico goes through in PAILSEN FILES that's just prior to the original show, what he and the others go up against makes his reaction in Episode 1 before being picked up by Rochina and Company seem out of place. ---Like what he goes onto do later against Wiseman and all that is bad ass and epic, but he'd have already had a massive adventure prior to the tv show. Unknown/Last Red Shoulder also presents an issue. In the Kummen Arc he legit doesn't know who's in the Blue A.T. but in the OVA taking place between Uoodo City and Kummen, he fights a certain P.S. in the Bloodsucker A.T. at the Derida Base on Melkia, and should be aware that there's more than Fyana to deal with. I haven't watched Alone Again so I can't comment (I own the Bluray, just haven't gotten to it). I mainly have seen the TV series, Roots, Unknown Red Shoulder, Battle of Heterogeneous Species, Heretic Saint (Shinning Hersey) , Pailsen Files, and the 12 part spin off of Armor Hunter Mellowlink. |
Mar 1, 2022 12:33 AM
#12
I'd say, maybe a little. It doesn't completely ruin it but, if the sequel is bad, it does stain the original a bit in my eyes. |
Mar 1, 2022 12:43 AM
#13
Grendizer_ said: alshu said: Grendizer_ said: What we see take place just prior to the original 1983 series doesn't make sense to the MC's bewilderment and evolution in the original story. Wait, isn't Chirico's personality wiped out periodically? Like the guy from the 1983 is probably a reboot of the Pailsen Files one? What doesn't make sense to me are the retcons we get in Soukou Kihei Votoms: Koei Futatabi and Soukou Kihei Votoms: Genei-hen...still those OVAs are one of the best things in the franchise. Well what I mean is, when the original series came out, Chirico had just come out of Red Shoulders Battalion (but we don't know that yet ---as seen later in Roots of Ambition), and he's legitimately scarred and bewildered by his taking place on the Operation Lido Raid against his own people. But with all the stuff that Chirico goes through in PAILSEN FILES that's just prior to the original show, what he and the others go up against makes his reaction in Episode 1 before being picked up by Rochina and Company seem out of place. ---Like what he goes onto do later against Wiseman and all that is bad ass and epic, but he'd have already had a massive adventure prior to the tv show. Unknown/Last Red Shoulder also presents an issue. In the Kummen Arc he legit doesn't know who's in the Blue A.T. but in the OVA taking place between Uoodo City and Kummen, he fights a certain P.S. in the Bloodsucker A.T. at the Derida Base on Melkia, and should be aware that there's more than Fyana to deal with. I haven't watched Alone Again so I can't comment (I own the Bluray, just haven't gotten to it). I mainly have seen the TV series, Roots, Unknown Red Shoulder, Battle of Heterogeneous Species, Heretic Saint (Shinning Hersey) , Pailsen Files, and the 12 part spin off of Armor Hunter Mellowlink. Yeah, it has being a while, so now when you mentioned it, there were retcons even in the earlier OVAs. I kind of assumed that the MC got wiped out between Pailsen Files and the TV series...but there is no time for that unless his amnesia goes randomly on and off all the time (which is also possible). If we add Chirico's supposed cameo in Kikou Ryohei Mellowlink than the whole thing gets even more messy. ...still great fun. |
Mar 1, 2022 1:07 AM
#14
iunne said: yeah i agree with youSequels/endings can definitely elevate a franchise by giving meaning and cohesion to the whole story. (e.g. imo, 5 Centimeters Per Second would be much less remarkable if it had a different ending) And on the flipside, sequels/endings can devalue a whole narrative. Examples include The Promised Neverland and Violet Evergarden, imo. it does stain my opinion of it if it ends like that |
Mar 1, 2022 1:12 AM
#15
Yes, if they use the same characters. Usually, when a proper sequal after a proper ending is worse or destroyed whatever build up in original. Then it definitely affects I dont mind stand alone connected shows or even prequals being a bit worse |
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Mar 1, 2022 1:15 AM
#16
Depending on whenever or not the story is already finished . Different seasons are technically sequels but i see it more as the same story . While something like Gundam Thunderbolt S1 and the fan fiction that followed it are completely seperate. |
Mar 1, 2022 1:19 AM
#17
It can, especially if it's forced by a publisher. |
Mar 1, 2022 1:21 AM
#18
Basilisk had an anime in the 2000s. It was the best anime featuring "Oda Nobunaga" and the "shinobi concept". I mean no, it wasn't the best Samurai, or historical japanese anime. But it is brilliant for it's time. It's continuation in the 2010s, though I hesitate to call it a sequel. Was as bad or worse, then One Punch Man 2 and Yakusoku no Neverland 2. So that almost ruined the original for me. After all, I don't see why they would pick up something (not mainstream), just to make an inferior sequel. If not just to tarnish the fans enjoyment of the original. |
Mar 1, 2022 1:24 AM
#19
Seijatachiiii said: Yes, the old 2000s Fruits Basket looks unwatchable to me compared to the most recent one. Thats total facts right there. Prooves the point. |
Mar 1, 2022 1:33 AM
#20
Remember Promised Neverland S2 which was never animated |
Mar 1, 2022 6:03 AM
#21
Impossible or I would be hating GiTS for the milky-cow show it became |
Mar 1, 2022 6:49 AM
#22
Maybe if I rewatched The Promised Neverland now, but I still feel like the original season was fantastic and did not do much wrong, and shouldn't get penalized for it. It is kind of jokes how I have season 1 at a 10 and season 2 at a 1 here on MAL, but I still feel like until I rewatch it and feel a different way about it, in my head, still think season 1 did a great job with setting up for the future. It's just season 2 that butchered the whole execution of it. I will say, while season 1's rating is unaffected standalone, the overall rating for the series would be completely skewed with the effects of season 2 since it wasted a ton of threads. S1 alone shouldn't be punished but the overall series collectively, yeah it's a stinker regardless of S1's efforts. |
Mar 1, 2022 8:11 AM
#23
In most cases, no. If the original was good, that means it should function as a stand-alone work. I frequently complain about bad sequels, and if said sequels ruin the originals then the amount of shows I could watch would have been halved. The one situation I can think of where this applies is when the original didn't have a satisfying conclusion/didn't actually end, and has to resort to sequels to comprehensively tie in all its loose ends together. For example, I've heard people bemoaning over both Wonder Egg Priority and Eden of the East. |
BurningCarnationMar 1, 2022 8:24 AM
Mar 1, 2022 9:02 AM
#24
I mean making a sequel to something does have a somewhat high chance of dropping in quality in some ways since it's harder to come up with original ideas to use when they've already been fully utilized in its prequed |
Mar 1, 2022 2:50 PM
#25
Totally. The new Star always trilogy is a good example. For anime, well, I have to join the SnK finale hate bandwagon. That was tragic. |
Mar 1, 2022 3:22 PM
#26
I've never had a sequel do that for me, most bad sequels are just bad on their own. The closest i can think of is DBZ Kai. It's still a pretty long series but it's a breeze compared to the first DBZ with all the filler. |
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Mar 1, 2022 5:09 PM
#27
alshu said: Yeah, it has being a while, so now when you mentioned it, there were retcons even in the earlier OVAs. I kind of assumed that the MC got wiped out between Pailsen Files and the TV series...but there is no time for that unless his amnesia goes randomly on and off all the time (which is also possible). If we add Chirico's supposed cameo in Kikou Ryohei Mellowlink than the whole thing gets even more messy. ...still great fun. I'm guessing Chirico gets Amnesia later on then (from the context clues here) in "Alone Again"??? I have never known him to have selective memory, outside of how it appears that way due to the Ret Cons of the OVAs that came later as mentioned. As for his cameo on the Prison Truck in Mellowlink, that's because whatever happened to him is going on at rhe same time that Mellowlink is getting his revenge for the Planbandol Battalion. If I remember correctly Mellow goes to the Prison during the time between Uoodo and Kummen, but slightly after Unknown Red Shoulder OVA. Why Chirico was on that truck is never explained, but he had yet to enter Kummen. Then Mellowlink concludes after the final scene in the VOTOMS series, as the 4th Galactic War begins. What I want to see is the Cain McDougal stories from BLUE KNIGHT BERSERGA novels (never published outside Japan) and Blue Saber Knights Playststion Game that deals with the Corpse Army and Cain being another Supreme Survivor/Natural P.S. Why this has never been animated is beyond me. |
Mar 1, 2022 5:47 PM
#28
I can't imagine this happening. If I don't like a sequel I just ignore it and enjoy the original on its own. For example, I enjoyed Shokugeki no Souma and Yowamushi Pedal early on but got more and more irritated by the writing choices in later seasons, but I still see value in watching and even rewatching the earlier parts because the journey outweighs the destination by far. |
Mar 1, 2022 5:50 PM
#29
Not if you don't watch it. I love Eureka Seven, but make a point to avoid any media in the franchise outside of the original 50 episode show. |
Mar 1, 2022 5:52 PM
#30
thankfully with mal u can rate individual seasons, though some just cant not be looked at as a whole |
Mar 1, 2022 5:59 PM
#31
Mar 1, 2022 6:53 PM
#32
As in, rewatch value? If the sequel has the same plot structure as the og, then yeah, it'll feel less special. Or, and it's happened in two shows I watched, if a character appears/dissapears/changes out of nowhere. In Future card buddyfight or it's direct sequel, Noboru, the tiger guy, left Japan to go to the US. Then, the start of the next season (same year, technically), he's just there. And he's not important to the plot, he just never left for America due to fan bait, I guess? That makes that moment from the prequel worst. And it's much more excusable, but Waiver from Fate/Zero into Lord El-Melloy case files made him a worst character IMO. I have only watched one episode of the later, though. Unless you're going with card games, where earlier series with less mechanics can make the series less interesting, I can't think of a show for which the sequel makes me appreciate the og less. |
Mar 1, 2022 9:21 PM
#33
Some liked GITS 2nd Gig and Gunslinger Girl Il Teatrino more than the slower paced originals. |
Mar 2, 2022 12:58 AM
#34
It happened with the first vision of Full Metal Panic TSR. It was already very underwhelming on its own, but when it is shown that Gauron survived the events of the first season finale i was pissed off. Just because the first season and Fumoffu are in my all time favorite anime, it doesn't mean that i should accept everything. TSR final episode was very bad too even if finally the most hated characters are all killed off, but it still seemed a very rushed job and Tessa's cheering in the final minutes was extremely cringe But after all those years this annoyance has mostly faded. I simply rewatched the first two seasons in late 2020 and they are still amazing. In my opinion it should have stopped there as a anime franchise, or at least make a second part of Fumoffu with the manga comedy stories that weren't adapted. Won't bother with Invisible Victory, probably would have skipped it even if it had received italian dub as all the previous seasons. |
Mar 2, 2022 4:53 AM
#35
It obviously can, imagine an anime that constantly push everything to the edge, high stakes, suffering, and a sequel tells you that it was all orchestrated by a guy in the future that happens to be the protagonist that we should care about. That is an extreme case though, doubt that anyone would write something that dumb |
Mar 2, 2022 5:09 AM
#36
Time travel is possible with that logic. Of course a sequel has zero impact on pre-existing work. You guys forget that anime is an industrial product. A sequel may be done by a totally different studio and director. The director who made the first version may even be long dead, and the studio disfunct. |
Mar 2, 2022 5:27 AM
#37
I think a good example for this is Fate/Stay Night (2006) and Fate/Zero(2010). Leaving the VN source aside and just talking about a purely anime perspective. Back in 2006, Fate/Stay Night had visually stunning fights and the character designs weren't bad and it was praised by anime fans but highly rebuked by VN readers. It didn't age well though. The Anime Industry experienced a renaissance in Visuals and Animation at the end of 2007. The graphics difference was so wide that newcomers who watched the sequel--(which was actually a prequel in the timeline )in 2010 found the 2006 anime as having garbage animation when it wasn't really that bad in 2006. |
DarkwindJRMar 2, 2022 5:31 AM
Mar 2, 2022 9:06 AM
#38
petran79 said: Some liked GITS 2nd Gig and Gunslinger Girl Il Teatrino more than the slower paced originals. That would be me on the G.I.T.S. SAC thing. I love the whole Laughing Man arc and Season 1, but I thought 2nd GiG with the Individual 11 was superior. Also preferred the "Soldiers" Opening a bit more than the 1st season's opening, though both are bangers. |
Mar 2, 2022 3:54 PM
#39
Media doesn't exist in a vacuum. A person can choose to selectively pick what they want to view as independent or not but that won't magically make sequels/prequels/spinoffs disappear. A bad sequel can tarnish what came before it especially if the story was setting up a big payoff but failed to deliver. Same goes for prequels, spinoffs, revivals, etc. As long as it's within the same universe and telling the same story it'll always be connected and compared to each other. DarkwindJR said: Back in 2006, Fate/Stay Night had visually stunning fights and the character designs weren't bad and it was praised by anime fans but highly rebuked by VN readers. It didn't age well though. The Anime Industry experienced a renaissance in Visuals and Animation at the end of 2007. The graphics difference was so wide that newcomers who watched the sequel--(which was actually a prequel in the timeline )in 2010 found the 2006 anime as having garbage animation when it wasn't really that bad in 2006. Staying purely on the Anime, 2006's FSN adaption doesn't really lend itself to Ufotable's reboot of the franchise. Even though they are connected via the narrative and original source material, the 2006's Studio Deen's adaption pretty much ends there. We don't get anything FSN related until half a decade later when Ufotable reboots the series with Fate/Zero. To be fair anything Type-Moon related probably aren't the best examples as it's just one gigantic spiderweb of spinoffs, alternate stores, and interconnected stories and relations through different franchises lol Frosteek said: Not if you don't watch it. I love Eureka Seven, but make a point to avoid any media in the franchise outside of the original 50 episode show. I wish I had told myself that years ago. |
Mar 2, 2022 4:14 PM
#40
If the sequel is needed for conclusion, for example Oregairu S3, yes. But if the original can stand on it's own, for example Eureka Seven, then it doesn't matter at all. |
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Mar 2, 2022 4:36 PM
#41
Mar 2, 2022 5:02 PM
#42
Hard to tell, sometimes they do a better job than their predecessors, and combining them wouldn't be a problem but like another comment on the thread said I prefer to have them be separate. Imagine if TPN was released as a 23 episode show with the 11 episodes from season 2, it would have hindered its overall score. Of course, it does not apply to other shows like One Piece, it's very famous for the fact it's a long-running anime that spans over 1000 episodes, some people could suggest that if divided into seasons it would give time to animators to work on a better-looking product but, as I said, a reason people know it is for being ongoing since 1999. Having content every week sounds good for fans of that specific show, but back on sequels... hmmm, they can break your previous thoughts on the story especially if the sequel answers questions brought up by the last season. |
Mar 2, 2022 5:08 PM
#43
PriyanshTheAnime said: Seijatachiiii said: Yes, the old 2000s Fruits Basket looks unwatchable to me compared to the most recent one. Thats total facts right there. Prooves the point. Yes it's true but the reverse is also possible Like the old shaman King was better than the ongoing one |
Mar 2, 2022 5:20 PM
#44
LordLagann said: Media doesn't exist in a vacuum. A person can choose to selectively pick what they want to view as independent or not but that won't magically make sequels/prequels/spinoffs disappear. A bad sequel can tarnish what came before it especially if the story was setting up a big payoff but failed to deliver. Same goes for prequels, spinoffs, revivals, etc. As long as it's within the same universe and telling the same story it'll always be connected and compared to each other. DarkwindJR said: Back in 2006, Fate/Stay Night had visually stunning fights and the character designs weren't bad and it was praised by anime fans but highly rebuked by VN readers. It didn't age well though. The Anime Industry experienced a renaissance in Visuals and Animation at the end of 2007. The graphics difference was so wide that newcomers who watched the sequel--(which was actually a prequel in the timeline )in 2010 found the 2006 anime as having garbage animation when it wasn't really that bad in 2006. Staying purely on the Anime, 2006's FSN adaption doesn't really lend itself to Ufotable's reboot of the franchise. Even though they are connected via the narrative and original source material, the 2006's Studio Deen's adaption pretty much ends there. We don't get anything FSN related until half a decade later when Ufotable reboots the series with Fate/Zero. To be fair anything Type-Moon related probably aren't the best examples as it's just one gigantic spiderweb of spinoffs, alternate stores, and interconnected stories and relations through different franchises lol Fate/Zero definitely wasn't a reboot to the Fate franchise it was continuity. The two shows I mentioned are part of the main Fate/Stay Night series which was followed by Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works which had two versions one from DEEN who also made the 2006 FSN and the other from Ufotable. Heaven's Feel came a lot later than the others just like the Stay Night to Zero. The spinoffs and other Fate stuff are their own stories they're related but they're not the main FSN series. Fate/Zero is a flashback prequel so it's not meant to be the first one to watch plus all the following series assumed you have watched the previous like in FSN it discusses the Grail and Servants in depth but Zero skips most of those stuff in the assumption you've seen it. UBW also skips the mystery of the eighth servant cause you've already seen him twice from Stay Night and Zero. For now the main FSN series has Fate Stay Night, Fate Zero, Fate Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works, Fate Stay Night Heaven's Feel |
DarkwindJRMar 2, 2022 5:26 PM
Mar 2, 2022 6:22 PM
#45
DarkwindJR said: Fate/Zero definitely wasn't a reboot to the Fate franchise it was continuity. The two shows I mentioned are part of the main Fate/Stay Night series which was followed by Fate/Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works which had two versions one from DEEN who also made the 2006 FSN and the other from Ufotable. Heaven's Feel came a lot later than the others just like the Stay Night to Zero. The spinoffs and other Fate stuff are their own stories they're related but they're not the main FSN series. Fate/Zero is a flashback prequel so it's not meant to be the first one to watch plus all the following series assumed you have watched the previous like in FSN it discusses the Grail and Servants in depth but Zero skips most of those stuff in the assumption you've seen it. UBW also skips the mystery of the eighth servant cause you've already seen him twice from Stay Night and Zero. For now the main FSN series has Fate Stay Night, Fate Zero, Fate Stay Night Unlimited Blade Works, Fate Stay Night Heaven's Feel I should of been more clear so that's on me. I didn't mean reboot as restarting the story I meant it as the next studio reviving interest in the franchise. Similar to how when talking about the MCU it refers to a specific set of movies instead of the entire spectrum of Marvel media. There is Deen's approach to the Fate adaptions and then there is Ufotable's take on it. They aren't taking into consideration what happens with regards to each other, instead they are drawing from the same source. I think that's a very important distinction to make. It would be disingenuous to tell someone who just seen F/Z to watch 2006's FSN because it's technically the sequel even though it came out half a decade prior, was adapted by a different studio, in a completely different Anime climate. On the topic of sequels retroactively making what came before worse, UBW, FSN, and HF aren't actually sequels but more retelling of the same story. Like I said, Type-Moon and spiderwebs. Probably should of bought this up before but don't think it's been clarified what constitutes as a sequel and what does it mean to make's the original worse. Are we talking about something specific like narrative sequels or is it more broad as in anything that comes after? Does worse in this circumstance mean it detracts from what the previous show sets out to do or is it more like the original is somehow obsolete? I only ask because I don't think it's a simple answer across the board. |
Mar 5, 2022 1:03 PM
#46
ryo-san said: PriyanshTheAnime said: Seijatachiiii said: Yes, the old 2000s Fruits Basket looks unwatchable to me compared to the most recent one. Thats total facts right there. Prooves the point. Yes it's true but the reverse is also possible Like the old shaman King was better than the ongoing one yea true but mainly its the sequel which makes the show bad. only a few shows have their prequel good and remake good |
Mar 5, 2022 1:22 PM
#47
Yes, for eg once aot chapter 139 gets adapted. It will not the completrely ruin the final season but definitely reduce its greatness in my eyes. |
Mar 5, 2022 2:13 PM
#48
BatoKusanagi said: Totally. The new Star always trilogy is a good example. For anime, well, I have to join the SnK finale hate bandwagon. That was tragic. I also immediately thought of Star Wars when reading this question, but I haven't reached the same conclusion. To me, the original films aren't any worse than how they originally were, and I think I can appreciate them just as much as I would have with or without the sequels. The original films are separate films and I don't have trouble compartmentalizing them from the sequels that proceed (or come before) it. I'd arguably not say the same about 'Star Wars' in its entirety though I don't exactly have trouble having the mindset for anime that separate themselves into different seasons, either |
Mar 5, 2022 7:53 PM
#49
The same way final chapters of manga can affect your enjoyment of anything you've read before. Ending is the most impactful part of the story, even greater than beginning. If it falls flat... well, that's it. We can't judge sequel as it is because without anything that was before, there would be NO sequel. Do I hate previous Star Wars movies because of the New Trilogy? Hell nah. Do I hate Star Wars if we view it as a whole story story from Episode I to IX? Still no... but it was a close call. I just don't think of new movies as "canon". It's a pretty bad fanfiction. Also Attack on Titan ended on ch. 123. |
TheMangaManiacMar 5, 2022 7:58 PM
Mar 5, 2022 9:02 PM
#50
GreatAide said: I also immediately thought of Star Wars when reading this question, but I haven't reached the same conclusion. To me, the original films aren't any worse than how they originally were, and I think I can appreciate them just as much as I would have with or without the sequels. The original films are separate films and I don't have trouble compartmentalizing them from the sequels that proceed (or come before) it. I'd arguably not say the same about 'Star Wars' in its entirety though I don't exactly have trouble having the mindset for anime that separate themselves into different seasons, either If the new trilogy was an alternate timeline like Ghostbusters 2016, I could put it aside as it's own thing, but unfortunately it's not. This the kind of sequel that says "what happened before wasn't that important, this is what REALLY matters". If it was just a bad sequel like all those direct to DVD abominations back in the day, I'd have an easier time of just pretending they don't exist. Gween_Gween said: It obviously can, imagine an anime that constantly push everything to the edge, high stakes, suffering, and a sequel tells you that it was all orchestrated by a guy in the future that happens to be the protagonist that we should care about. That is an extreme case though, doubt that anyone would write something that dumb That's pretty much Harry Potter and the Cursed Child lol |
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