A British influencer got plastic surgery to look like a BTS member. Now, they're facing backlash for saying they 'identify as Korean'
| At this point K-pop stans doesn't even amazes me. They are just a different breed now. |
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Aeirmizzles said: Does anyone have an argument to challenge the idea that it is hypocrisy to support trans gender people but not trans racial people and vice versa because I've been thinking about it and I can't really think of anything. Well as far as I'm concerned, two things are more or less of different matters, but they aren't totally unrelated as an issue either. Like magically becoming an official trans without any actual transformation like Ellen Page is just as bad as out of the blue race picking. So it is hypocritical. There obviously should involve legality here, for both. But for now, the only reason to justify the hypocrisy is that it's literally not legal to change race by sheer will (which is a fundamentally broken and incredibly shallow rationale anyway), while gender is more acceptable to the public. |
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| they should also identify as an idiot |
| This is just the weeaboo cringe of the 00s except that it's koreaboo now. Meh. |
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| i personally think it's okay to like k-pop and stuff like that, but if you change your entire body and change your pronouns to "kor/ean" (which i would assume is probably offensive as hell to actual korean people.) that's where i'd draw the line. |
| if I consider myself american, can I go there without a visa? I swear I got all the american qualities, I can make a good BBQ, I eat snickers and I watch football (I hate the NE Patriots though, Brady is a hack, Dan Marino was better) |
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| Imagine wanting to look like Jimin. stan Namjoon btw |
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| I do wonder, what is even the point of posting this drivel? Imbecilic and possibly mentally ill individuals on the Internet act in just about how you would expect. What is even there to say or discuss? |
| Engaging with those so clearly beneath you achieves nothing but lowering yourself to their level. |
| No such thing as transracial. You can't change where you were born. It's simply an undisputable fact that you're American because you were born in America. If you got a citizenship you'd be considered a member of that country though. Surgery before citizenship? Mental disorder 100%. |
| I was laughing some reading this too but after initial reaction Im going to take the higher ground. There is nothing morally wrong or even unusual with identifying with a particular culture (even if poorly done so long as no malicious intent) and while it seems odd it's not illogical that one who identifies with a culture would also identify as a culture. Culture is just a social construct with no hard barriers between one culture and an adjacent culture. It's more wrong to knowingly and incessantly mock a man who clearly may be silently suffering with mental illness of some kind which had turned into a celebrity worship obsession where he is replacing at least part of his own identity with someone elses. Though if he's truely happy and not a real danger to himself or others then alright good for him even if it seems unusual to me, what's done is done. |
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| God what the fuck is this. I can't remember the last time I felt second hand embarrassment to this degree. What a lunatic lmfao. |
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| Poor bastard. No self-confidence. I look a lot prettier than him. |
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| Will Western people ever understand that identity is not a costume that you can choose and then change? |
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cipheron said: RobertBobert said: Will Western people ever understand that identity is not a costume that you can choose and then change? It's actually pretty insulting if you think about it. A black person can't take off "being black" like a costume. So saying you're trans-black or trans-Asian or whatever is a pretty insulting thing. Tell this to people who non-ironically urge to raise children in a sterile androgynous environment, expecting them to choose their own gender at some point. |
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| Another sad attempt of trying to become someone else and failing badly in progress |
| Bunch of bigots. If he identifies as Korean then he is korean. Transracial folks deserve the same treatment and respect as any other trans. |
Aeirmizzles said: Does anyone have an argument to challenge the idea that it is hypocrisy to support trans gender people but not trans racial people and vice versa because I've been thinking about it and I can't really think of anything. Most people that identify as trans have a condition (Gender dysphoria) that makes them want to want to change their bodies sex really bad, that level of discomfort if left unaddressed can cause unhealthy want's like self harm and other conditions like eating disorders, reason why they need health care stuff, the same doesn't seems happen with other people like that guy that wants to be Korean and furries which makes so if the reason you support or parts or your support to trans people are dependent in the condition of dysphoria you can support one and not the other while not being hypocrite. As for me and what I think of that guy, there really isn't any reason to go against him, if he wants to become Korean (as in nationality, wich is a social construct parallel to gender) he can move there and even get it legally recognized to have all the rigth of a Korean citizen. If he wants to become Korean (as in his genetic make up, which is a biological characteristic parallel to sex) he can't tho, because this operation is not possible yet, and even if it was possible we then would need to evaluate if the operation is safe and worth doing to them legalize it, which was the case with sex change. |
No-a-nimeJun 30, 2021 8:04 AM
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| Why can't he do that? race is a social construct according to most people. He must be able to do this. If he's obviously getting expensive surgeries to make it happen, then following liberal ideals we should just let him identify as he wants. There's no cost in doing so, there is less differences between a Korean man and a White man than a man and a woman. He already looks pretty Korean to me, so why not just start treating him like a Korean |
fishyrishiJun 30, 2021 8:01 AM
| Only rich white kids can come up with shit like this. Imagine being a millionaire and letting your son turn in this mess of a creature. |
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cipheron said: Preachee said: Well as far as I'm concerned, two things are more or less of different matters, but they aren't totally unrelated as an issue either. Like magically becoming an official trans without any actual transformation like Ellen Page is just as bad as out of the blue race picking. So it is hypocritical. There obviously should involve legality here, for both. But for now, the only reason to justify the hypocrisy is that it's literally not legal to change race by sheer will (which is a fundamentally broken and incredibly shallow rationale anyway), while gender is more acceptable to the public. There's actually a video of some college girl at a small rally, and she says to the crowd that she decided she's a guy two days earlier, and told her parents but they hadn't yet started using her "new pronouns" and because of that she's "traumatized". Then everyone crowd round her and cheers her as a hero. All of them looking pretty cis and very white and very middle class mind you. Just with funny colored hair to indicate they're oppressed. So yeah, a lot of current gen claiming random genders without actually transitioning. Claiming "non-binary" is especially popular because completely-not-oppressed people can claim a slice of the oppression pie without actually having to do a single thing that might actually cause them the slightest social discomfort. Then claiming they're "traumatized" because the world didn't instantly reconfigure itself to match their latest teen outburst. Yeah, maybe changing your gender could be a good ally thing for actual trans people, but when that ally claims to be "traumatized" because everyone didn't immediately take her seriously, that's actually harmful: they're not a good ally at all if they made it all about themselves. It's a joke and an insult to actual trans people and people who've had actual trauma. I've heard the same story a million times. I'd be ok if it's just in the US coz that place seems so messed up already, but it's getting too contagious at this point. I've said it before, the Ellen Page trans incident was an insult. Not only that, by actually garnering people's sympathy, it also introduces not-so-new problems that completely deconstruct any sort of viable categorization of the most fundamental human trait. It is unacceptable. There's a reason why the term male and female come about, and by blurring everything to the point of pointlessness, it shouldn't even hold any meaning to begin with, let alone capable of offending anyone. Trans means you've now transitioned to the opposite sex, not because one day you just sort of decided you wanted to be categorized as such. If gender can be changed by sheer will, it also means nothing. I refuse to acknowledge the incredibly vague and practically useless excuse that gender is solely dictated by sociopolitical state of each individual country (which, in other words, means male and female don't mean shit). I guess by then biology must come up with another term for XX and XY humans, which is stupid af coz you already have the terms for that already, and even so people will still get offended once again. fishyrishi said: Why can't he do that? race is a social construct according to most people. He must be able to do this. If he's obviously getting expensive surgeries to make it happen, then following liberal ideals we should just let him identify as he wants. There's no cost in doing so, there is less differences between a Korean man and a White man than a man and a woman. He already looks pretty Korean to me, so why not just start treating him like a Korean Because he's not a Korean, it's as simple as that. To make things even more simple for the guy, if he wants to be an actual, legalized Korean citizen, just get himself a green card. And let's not even talk about legality yet, because all this radically progressive 'social construct' ideology is already so absurd. Again, if he doesn't want to be critiqued, just get himself a green card. Picking race just because you feel so without the legal procedures needed, and worse yet, because it's a progressive thing to do, is unacceptable. At this point, age picking wouldn't be a problem either. Age and race are of the same matter after all, unlike race and gender which could be more debatable. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
ShadowMonkeyJul 3, 2021 4:30 AM
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The following is MY personal opinion. I do NOT endorse this, I will NEVER endorse this. I'm an ally to transgender folks, but this is NOT something I will ever get behind. "Transracial" is not something that has any validity in the Medical community. |
| @Preachee Ellen (now Elliot) Page came out as a non-binary trans male who uses he/they pronouns. I'm not sure if that was the right pick to prove your point. You're making a mountain of a molehill, really. Also, almost no one considers this transracial thing to be valid or progressive, it's not even similar to transgenderism as race refers to ancestry. |
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Kaasfondue said: @Preachee Ellen (now Elliot) Page came out as a non-binary trans male who uses he/they pronouns. I'm not sure if that was the right pick to prove your point. You're making a mountain of a molehill, really. Also, almost no one considers this transracial thing to be valid or progressive, it's not even similar to transgenderism as race refers to ancestry. Well, someone made this argument before, it's not like I haven't properly thought about this (unless I got the timeline all messed up). I was told 'what if Ellen changed her gender later on, then your argument wouldn't be valid right?' A trans person should only be trans after their transition. Before anything even happened, Ellen decided (then) that she wanted to come out as a trans. Without any further information, people (especially leftist newspapers) were praising her. Ok, so even before the transition, without knowing whether or not Ellen would make the transition, they decided to support her obviously out of the blue gender change. As how I see it, people accepted this blatantly ridiculous gender picking. If you can't accept this race change before any legal procedures, you should also not accept any 'coming out trans' before the transition either. And to me, it is a big deal, because it shows people are willing to go so far to be progressive about genders. Ok so now after the transition, it's a 'he' I suppose. My bad, I haven't checked on that. So, correct me if I got the timeline wrong. If not, my point stands. |
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| His pronouns are kor/ean and ji/min. I think that says enough about his opinion of his superior self-worth. |
BunilleJun 30, 2021 10:52 AM
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Bob-o-Dominador said: Aeirmizzles said: Does anyone have an argument to challenge the idea that it is hypocrisy to support trans gender people but not trans racial people and vice versa because I've been thinking about it and I can't really think of anything. Most people that identify as trans have a condition (Gender dysphoria) that makes them want to want to change their bodies sex really bad, that level of discomfort if left unaddressed can cause unhealthy want's like self harm and other conditions like eating disorders, reason why they need health care stuff, the same doesn't seems happen with other people like that guy that wants to be Korean and furries which makes so if the reason you support or parts or your support to trans people are dependent in the condition of dysphoria you can support one and not the other while not being hypocrite. As for me and what I think of that guy, there really isn't any reason to go against him, if he wants to become Korean (as in nationality, wich is a social construct parallel to gender) he can move there and even get it legally recognized to have all the rigth of a Korean citizen. If he wants to become Korean (as in his genetic make up, which is a biological characteristic parallel to sex) he can't tho, because this operation is not possible yet, and even if it was possible we then would need to evaluate if the operation is safe and worth doing to them legalize it, which was the case with sex change. Agreed with this post whollly. Also actually yes, while some people would think that it's "cringy" (me included), there's nothing actually wrong with it. All people have a share of their own "cringiness" according to others afterall. So idk why people make this real shockfest. It's a meh news for me. |
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I don't know. Maybe it is racist to give a different treatment to Koreans. But I think you can argue the same for gender as well; besides pronouns, how do you even treat someone as male/female? If someone treats people differently on many matters according to their gender, then it can be grounds for sexism @preachee Why does it matter if he isn't ethnically Korean? If he practises the culture and listens to enough BTS songs, what's stopping him from being a Korean? what he's going through may not be exactly gender dysphoria but it basically is a parallel condition with many of the same symptoms. So if enough people started being trans-racial, will it officially be a thing like transgenderism? But unlike transgenderism, this is a relatively simple thing to accomodate. You just pretend he's Korean, that's all. No bathroom disputes, sports-debate, etc. |
fishyrishiJun 30, 2021 11:22 AM
Preachee said: Kaasfondue said: @Preachee Ellen (now Elliot) Page came out as a non-binary trans male who uses he/they pronouns. I'm not sure if that was the right pick to prove your point. You're making a mountain of a molehill, really. Also, almost no one considers this transracial thing to be valid or progressive, it's not even similar to transgenderism as race refers to ancestry. Well, someone made this argument before, it's not like I haven't properly thought about this (unless I got the timeline all messed up). I was told 'what if Ellen changed her gender later on, then your argument wouldn't be valid right?' A trans person should only be trans after their transition. Before anything even happened, Ellen decided (then) that she wanted to come out as a trans. Without any further information, people (especially leftist newspapers) were praising her. Ok, so even before the transition, without knowing whether or not Ellen would make the transition, they decided to support her obviously out of the blue gender change. As how I see it, people accepted this blatantly ridiculous gender picking. If you can't accept this race change before any legal procedures, you should also not accept any 'coming out trans' before the transition either. And to me, it is a big deal, because it shows people are willing to go so far to be progressive about genders. Ok so now after the transition, it's a 'he' I suppose. My bad, I haven't checked on that. So, correct me if I got the timeline wrong. If not, my point stands. I thought you meant to say he never transitioned at all (never changed his appearance) at all, my bad. You were not very clear there. But even then, you're basically just asking for trans people to ''show evidence'' immediately upon revealing they are trans? I don't know why that's necessarily something we need. And really, he just posted a coming out message on Insta and showed his new appearance 20 days later. Before that, it was already noticeable he (then she) was dressing and appearing more masculine, so it's not like it really ''came out of the blue'' for people who followed her. Sure, race change. Because a White British UK-born citizen who now resides in Korea is racially Korean. edit: not this guy btw, he does not even speak a word of Korean |
KaasfondueJun 30, 2021 11:30 AM
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Kaasfondue said: Preachee said: Well, someone made this argument before, it's not like I haven't properly thought about this (unless I got the timeline all messed up). I was told 'what if Ellen changed her gender later on, then your argument wouldn't be valid right?' A trans person should only be trans after their transition. Before anything even happened, Ellen decided (then) that she wanted to come out as a trans. Without any further information, people (especially leftist newspapers) were praising her. Ok, so even before the transition, without knowing whether or not Ellen would make the transition, they decided to support her obviously out of the blue gender change. As how I see it, people accepted this blatantly ridiculous gender picking. If you can't accept this race change before any legal procedures, you should also not accept any 'coming out trans' before the transition either. And to me, it is a big deal, because it shows people are willing to go so far to be progressive about genders. Ok so now after the transition, it's a 'he' I suppose. My bad, I haven't checked on that. So, correct me if I got the timeline wrong. If not, my point stands. I thought you meant to say he never transitioned at all (never changed his appearance) at all, my bad. You were not very clear there. But even then, you're basically just asking for trans people to ''show evidence'' immediately upon revealing they are trans? I don't know why that's necessarily something we need. And really, he just posted a coming out message on Insta and showed his new appearance 20 days later. Before that, it was already noticeable he (then she) was dressing and appearing more masculine, so it's not like it really ''came out of the blue'' for people who followed her. Sure, race change. Because a White British UK-born citizen who now resides in Korea is racially Korean. edit: not this guy btw, he does not even speak a word of Korean If there's anything I do agree I'm wrong is that I was talking about race as though it is equivalent to citizenship, as you've pointed out. That's the flaw in my argument. But my reason for saying what I said about Elliot (Ellen then) was because people were already accepting it despite any actual transition. There was no further info by then and it was a complete mess on the public side. I don't think it matters if you come out as trans one day, hell I think it's better to let people know in advance. It's just that the word 'trans' has its definition for a reason, and people were clearly dismissing it as if anyone could be a trans without really knowing if the person even biologically changed to the opposite sex. And to even further my point, maybe my head was messing with me, maybe my memories served me wrong but I remembered then Ellen said 'she' was originally a man who became a female by trans, and also happens to be a lesbian. So I might get all this messed up, but that's how I remember it, and if so it would've been an insult to actual trans. But you're right, I should've checked things more before saying this. I was just so sure about this for whatever reason. fishyrishi said: I don't know. Maybe it is racist to give a different treatment to Koreans. But I think you can argue the same for gender as well; besides pronouns, how do you even treat someone as male/female? If someone treats people differently on many matters according to their gender, then it can be grounds for sexism @preachee Why does it matter if he isn't ethnically Korean? If he practises the culture and listens to enough BTS songs, what's stopping him from being a Korean? what he's going through may not be exactly gender dysphoria but it basically is a parallel condition with many of the same symptoms. So if enough people started being trans-racial, will it officially be a thing like transgenderism? But unlike transgenderism, this is a relatively simple thing to accomodate. You just pretend he's Korean, that's all. No bathroom disputes, sports-debate, etc. God, I saw people saying this isn't progressivism, but I beg to differ. You can't get more progressive than that, for respecting personal choices that simply can't be complied so much. Let's talk about citizenship first. You legally cannot be a Korean just because one day you want to, just because you practice their culture one day, just because you speak and act like a Korean. Because it's illegal. No one's gonna treat you like no damn Korean because you simply aren't, I have no idea how this is even a thing. And about race, well. Do you wanna know why I think transgender is fine and not transracial? There are things that just can't be changed, because if so then it would lose every meaning, it's just that fundamental. I don't agree with the gender fluid theory, I however am not against transgenderism. I do believe there are only 2 genders, male and female, though there are way more categorizations than that - gay, lesbian, male/female trans. But there's only male and female. Gay means you're a male who likes men, not that you're of any other gender, same applies to trans. So, transgenderism can be considered to at least comply to the most fundamental human trait, which is gender. It doesn't just go crazy however it wants. And no I'm not mistaken with sex. If gender is to indicate in a much more free manner than the traditional sex, and if it's true that gender fluid (might due to its increasingly deranged advocates who could've possibly altered its initial intent) is real, then seeing how it is nowadays you can simply be any gender you want. Because gender is a sociopolitical thing, not a biologically reproductive thing. So there's no real evidence to what truly makes one a male and female. This also means different countries have different standards. Meaning sociopolitically speaking, you can suddenly attain a different gender as you enter different countries. Not to mention, if male and female, a very essential human identity, don't really have any strict principles to really have an actual meaning, then what does it even mean to be a female or male? Stereotypes? Behaviors? Certainly not because progressivism vehemently disagrees with that. In other words, if gender is what people claim to be, then it doesn't mean anything, so it shouldn't have the power to offend people, but I digress. That said, transgenderism complies to what I believe is a very essential, irreplaceable trait of humans. Same with race. Race is an irreplaceable trait of humans and thus shouldn't be taken lightly, else it wouldn't mean anything, just in the same way how gender fluid is. Though tbf, you don't even have to agree with my stance on gender fluid. You can tell there's no scientific backing for transracial, unlike gender fluid. Though even that is debatable. Again, race is a fundamental human trait that simply is too irreplaceable to be messing with. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
ShadowMonkeyJul 3, 2021 4:29 AM
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Only_Brad said: Bunch of bigots. If he identifies as Korean then he is korean. Transracial folks deserve the same treatment and respect as any other trans. Nice try. Gender dysphoria is a very REAL thing that the American Psychological Association as well as other accredited medical organization recognize. There is NOTHING behind this “trans racial” nonsense. And you people only make comments like this to disparage and make fun of Trans people. But it won’t work. Bob-o-Dominador said: Aeirmizzles said: Does anyone have an argument to challenge the idea that it is hypocrisy to support trans gender people but not trans racial people and vice versa because I've been thinking about it and I can't really think of anything. Most people that identify as trans have a condition (Gender dysphoria) that makes them want to want to change their bodies sex really bad, that level of discomfort if left unaddressed can cause unhealthy want's like self harm and other conditions like eating disorders, reason why they need health care stuff, the same doesn't seems happen with other people like that guy that wants to be Korean and furries which makes so if the reason you support or parts or your support to trans people are dependent in the condition of dysphoria you can support one and not the other while not being hypocrite. As for me and what I think of that guy, there really isn't any reason to go against him, if he wants to become Korean (as in nationality, wich is a social construct parallel to gender) he can move there and even get it legally recognized to have all the rigth of a Korean citizen. If he wants to become Korean (as in his genetic make up, which is a biological characteristic parallel to sex) he can't tho, because this operation is not possible yet, and even if it was possible we then would need to evaluate if the operation is safe and worth doing to them legalize it, which was the case with sex change. Ah you already answered this better than I did. My personal opinion on this matter is that any adult is FREE to do with his/her body as he/she pleases. That is TRUE Freedom of Expression. However, I do NOT recognize “Transracial” as a real thing…simply because there is nothing backing it up. I honestly think people doing these things does a lot of harm for the trans community because you have the Haters who will point at them and say “See, they’re all freaks, they all want to PRETEND they’re something they’re not!” When in reality this “transracial” thing is NOT something the APA or any real medical association would categorize as a legitimate thing. Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
ShadowMonkeyJul 3, 2021 4:28 AM
| Lol. The Hypatia controversy strikes again. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypatia_transracialism_controversy https://archive.ph/20170512172506/http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/hypa.12327/full |
SoverignJun 30, 2021 10:06 PM
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Preachee said: Kaasfondue said: I thought you meant to say he never transitioned at all (never changed his appearance) at all, my bad. You were not very clear there. But even then, you're basically just asking for trans people to ''show evidence'' immediately upon revealing they are trans? I don't know why that's necessarily something we need. And really, he just posted a coming out message on Insta and showed his new appearance 20 days later. Before that, it was already noticeable he (then she) was dressing and appearing more masculine, so it's not like it really ''came out of the blue'' for people who followed her. Sure, race change. Because a White British UK-born citizen who now resides in Korea is racially Korean. edit: not this guy btw, he does not even speak a word of Korean If there's anything I do agree I'm wrong is that I was talking about race as though it is equivalent to citizenship, as you've pointed out. That's the flaw in my argument. But my reason for saying what I said about Elliot (Ellen then) was because people were already accepting it despite any actual transition. There was no further info by then and it was a complete mess on the public side. I don't think it matters if you come out as trans one day, hell I think it's better to let people know in advance. It's just that the word 'trans' has its definition for a reason, and people were clearly dismissing it as if anyone could be a trans without really knowing if the person even biologically changed to the opposite sex. And to even further my point, maybe my head was messing with me, maybe my memories served me wrong but I remembered then Ellen said 'she' was originally a man who became a female by trans, and also happens to be a lesbian. So I might get all this messed up, but that's how I remember it, and if so it would've been an insult to actual trans. But you're right, I should've checked things more before saying this. I was just so sure about this for whatever reason. Well, I get why you would be confused. It is true trans activism has gone full throttle which probably does as much harm as it does good. At the end of the day it's a mental health issue which requires proper diagnosis and just encouraging people to transition is not logically sound. But that's exactly why I think it's important to differentiate between adults who can make these decisions and the blue haired teenagers you hear about. It used to be a lot more simple I think, just LGBT. Lesbians, gays, bisexuals and transsexuals. It wasn't as much about the gender politics. Trans concerned inviduals who felt like a female on the inside and hated how they looked on the outside. For them, apart from not being able to get birth, socially they could present as women. But now, the movement has gender abolitionist talking points while at the same time saying there are way more gender identities. And being trans is another one of those subcultures you can step into. It's a bit of a mess I guess. |
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| alright so I just saw their tweet and they mentioned Tucker fucking Carlson for being bullied by "the left". I'm pretty sure he just want clout and is a reactionary who try to frame trans and NB people as bunch of lunatics. This is the "alt-right identifying as attack helicopter" all over again. Fuck this person. |
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| I wonder he is going to regret his decision when he gets older? Much like how some elder people regret their decision getting a tattoo back when they were young. |
| So why can't this influencer just be Korean? How does that hurt you? Race is just skin deep and a social construct. |
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Bayek said: So why can't this influencer just be Korean? How does that hurt you? Race is just skin deep and a social construct. That's not a very good question. I'm pretty sure you'll have your answer if you just look at the posts above. Otherwise, you can just directly reply to any of the stances if you disagree. Asking why is a bit redundant at this point. |
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Preachee said: Actually, it's a great question because it's highly facetious. Great suggestion though. I've skimmed your posts so I'll ask you for your TLDR - what defines Korean? What is the requirement for a racial identity?Bayek said: So why can't this influencer just be Korean? How does that hurt you? Race is just skin deep and a social construct. That's not a very good question. I'm pretty sure you'll have your answer if you just look at the posts above. Otherwise, you can just directly reply to any of the stances if you disagree. Asking why is a bit redundant at this point. |
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| He reminds me of Jeff the Killer |
| I don't speak English that much, so please cut me some slack |
| When the koreaboos take it too far |
| He doesn't even look like the guy. Sad. |
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Bayek said: Preachee said: Actually, it's a great question because it's highly facetious. Great suggestion though. I've skimmed your posts so I'll ask you for your TLDR - what defines Korean? What is the requirement for a racial identity?That's not a very good question. I'm pretty sure you'll have your answer if you just look at the posts above. Otherwise, you can just directly reply to any of the stances if you disagree. Asking why is a bit redundant at this point. Well I completely fail to see the facetious nature of the question, even now. But I guess sometimes you never know what others truly intend. Focus on my discussion with fishyrishi, I originally separated the two posts but the mod merge them so now it looks terribly structured. Anyway, my post may seem long, but I think it's not at all verbose or longwinded. If anything, it's actually pretty concise and straightforward. So I recommend you reading it through, albeit possibly excruciating. I believe it should answer all the questions you have. Of course, if you have any rebuttal, just post a reply. |
PreacheeJul 4, 2021 11:57 PM
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PsychoticDave said: Well no, a true American is someone of Amerindian ancestry then. If you're talking about race exclusively, you can be European, African, Asian etc. But not so such thing as "American" race. No such thing as transracial. You can't change where you were born. It's simply an undisputable fact that you're American because you were born in America. If you got a citizenship you'd be considered a member of that country though. Surgery before citizenship? Mental disorder 100%. |
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