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Aug 3, 2021 3:56 PM
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https://www.theverge.com/2021/8/2/22598004/nlrb-officer-new-election-amazon-bessemer-union-drive

An initial assessment from the National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) has recommended workers at an Amazon warehouse in Bessemer, Alabama hold a new election to determine whether to unionize with the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union (RWDSU). The recommendation comes from the hearing officer assigned to the case and is only a preliminary finding, but still hands the union a surprising win in a fight that many in the labor movement had considered lost.

In April, workers at Amazon’s fulfillment center in Bessemer, Alabama voted not to unionize by a margin of more than 2-to-1. But in the aftermath of the result, the Retail, Wholesale and Department Store Union (RWDSU) alleged that Amazon had illegally influenced the drive and petitioned the NLRB to invalidate the result. In particular, the RWDSU raised questions around a USPS mailbox installed in the fulfillment center parking lot during the drive. The union alleged it gave some workers the impression that Amazon had improper access to mailed ballots.

The officer’s report gives new details on Amazon’s interactions with USPS in encouraging the installation of the box, as well as the effect of a “privacy tent” installed during the union drive. “It is clear that absent the tent, employees had reason to believe that the Employer could observe which employees accessed the CBU and/or used the box to deposit ballots,” the report reads. “Employees believed that the Employer had cameras that were tracking, at the very least, which employees entered the CBU tent.”

RWDSU’s defeat opened the door for other unions to announce plans to unionize Amazon workers. On June 24th, the Teamsters announced a nationwide campaign to organize Amazon’s sprawling workforce. The teamsters committed to spending “all resources necessary” to make the campaign successful.

Now, it appears RWDSU is getting another chance. “Throughout the NLRB hearing, we heard compelling evidence how Amazon tried to illegally interfere with and intimidate workers as they sought to exercise their right to form a union,” said RWDSU president Stuart Appelbaum in a statement. “We support the hearing officer’s recommendation that the NLRB set aside the election results and direct a new election...Amazon’s behavior throughout the election process was despicable. Amazon cheated, they got caught, and they are being held accountable.”


Reached for comment, Amazon defended the initial vote. “Our employees had a chance to be heard during a noisy time when all types of voices were weighing into the national debate,” the spokesperson said, “and at the end of the day, they voted overwhelmingly in favor of a direct connection with their managers and the company. Their voice should be heard above all else, and we plan to appeal to ensure that happens.”

The hearing officer’s recommendation is only a preliminary assessment of the claim, and does not by itself have any legal force. A full ruling will only come when the acting regional director issues a decision for the case, which will likely not occur for serveral weeks. Parties to the case will still have the opportunity to file exceptions in the intervening time.

As the case proceeds, Amazon’s labor issues have spread well beyond Bessemer. In June, the International Brotherhood of Teamsters voted to prioritize organizing efforts for Amazon delivery drivers, creating a special division to focus on the company’s operations over the next five years. “Amazon workers are calling for safer and better working conditions,” said the project’s director at the time, “and with today’s resolution, we are activating the full force of our union to support them.”
Is this even surprising? Capitalists doing capitalists stuff, even when it has to break the law. But hey I get it, Bezos want to accumulate all those profits so that he and his brother and proabably with Elon Musk can make Mars habitable by themselves and then just decide to watch the world burn from there. Means more profit needs to be extracted from these workers who will be destroyed as Earth dies, right??
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Aug 3, 2021 4:38 PM
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MyJudgementIsBad said:
I see you're trying to make as many threads as possible before this board dies


dumb posts like this is the reason why they are closing the boards lmao.
Aug 3, 2021 5:16 PM
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Only_Brad said:
MyJudgementIsBad said:
I see you're trying to make as many threads as possible before this board dies


dumb posts like this is the reason why they are closing the boards lmao.

Lol

Implying that all your bigoted replies throughout the history of this board don't also contribute to the closing of this board is very cynical and dishonest.
Aug 4, 2021 1:04 AM
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MyJudgementIsBad said:
I see you're trying to make as many threads as possible before this board dies

Which is a pretty disgraceful thing to do, but some simply can not accept defeat.

There are now 16 threads by you on the front page. If your objective is to prove a posteriori that it was a good idea to close CE, you might achieve this goal.
Aug 4, 2021 1:14 AM
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Meusnier said:
MyJudgementIsBad said:
I see you're trying to make as many threads as possible before this board dies

Which is a pretty disgraceful thing to do, but some simply can not accept defeat.

There are now 16 threads by you on the front page. If your objective is to prove a posteriori that it was a good idea to close CE, you might achieve this goal.


If only there was a possible solution to this problem without having to close the whole board down!
Aug 4, 2021 1:22 AM
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Meusnier said:

Which is a pretty disgraceful thing to do, but some simply can not accept defeat.

There are now 16 threads by you on the front page. If your objective is to prove a posteriori that it was a good idea to close CE, you might achieve this goal.


If only there was a possible solution to this problem without having to close the whole board down!

Banning three people would have been enough, but I have been thinking in a while that the number of threads one is allowed to create should be restricted as one by day in CD, one every two days in AD and one by week in CE (say). I see no reason why CE should become the personal propaganda organ of a few users.
Aug 4, 2021 2:39 AM
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Meusnier said:
MyJudgementIsBad said:
I see you're trying to make as many threads as possible before this board dies

Which is a pretty disgraceful thing to do, but some simply can not accept defeat.

There are now 16 threads by you on the front page. If your objective is to prove a posteriori that it was a good idea to close CE, you might achieve this goal.
Eh? It's more like, by the time this board is archived, I have no regrets. It's like to show my parting gift for this board. I mean, isn't that technically the best thing to do for farewell parties? People throwing huge amount of money and making it as grand as possible because there will be no more of it in the future. Just look at the last Bronycon, for example.

Meusnier said:
149597871 said:


If only there was a possible solution to this problem without having to close the whole board down!

Banning three people would have been enough, but I have been thinking in a while that the number of threads one is allowed to create should be restricted as one by day in CD, one every two days in AD and one by week in CE (say). I see no reason why CE should become the personal propaganda organ of a few users.
I got banned twice here already. But there is simply no rules that limit the threads created by user per day/week yes. So technically speaking creating bunch of threads at once isn't violating any rules.
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I suspect Desolated is actually a chinese psyop to prevent american nationalists to gather here and share anti-china propaganda and loli pics.
He even lowkey admitted to bringing this place to its doom on purpose by abusing a loophole in the rules in the above post lol.
But there is simply no rules that limit the threads created by user per day/week yes. So technically speaking creating bunch of threads at once isn't violating any rules.
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Aug 4, 2021 3:05 AM
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Desolated said:
Meusnier said:

Which is a pretty disgraceful thing to do, but some simply can not accept defeat.

There are now 16 threads by you on the front page. If your objective is to prove a posteriori that it was a good idea to close CE, you might achieve this goal.
Eh? It's more like, by the time this board is archived, I have no regrets. It's like to show my parting gift for this board. I mean, isn't that technically the best thing to do for farewell parties? People throwing huge amount of money and making it as grand as possible because there will be no more of it in the future. Just look at the last Bronycon, for example.

Meusnier said:

Banning three people would have been enough, but I have been thinking in a while that the number of threads one is allowed to create should be restricted as one by day in CD, one every two days in AD and one by week in CE (say). I see no reason why CE should become the personal propaganda organ of a few users.
I got banned twice here already. But there is simply no rules that limit the threads created by user per day/week yes. So technically speaking creating bunch of threads at once isn't violating any rules.

What you are doing is akin to taking adulterated wine to a party. You shall be remembered of course, but not for the good reasons.

There is no such rule indeed, only the bourgeois concept called "decency" or even "elegance" and the basic idea of communism that this place is not only for yourself. You should learn about sharing more.

By the way, do you realise that no one will change their viewpoint about China with the kind of threads you are creating?
Aug 4, 2021 3:11 AM

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Meusnier said:
Desolated said:
Eh? It's more like, by the time this board is archived, I have no regrets. It's like to show my parting gift for this board. I mean, isn't that technically the best thing to do for farewell parties? People throwing huge amount of money and making it as grand as possible because there will be no more of it in the future. Just look at the last Bronycon, for example.

I got banned twice here already. But there is simply no rules that limit the threads created by user per day/week yes. So technically speaking creating bunch of threads at once isn't violating any rules.

What you are doing is akin to taking adulterated wine to a party. You shall be remembered of course, but not for the good reasons.

There is no such rule indeed, only the bourgeois concept called "decency" or even "elegance" and the basic idea of communism that this place is not only for yourself. You should learn about sharing more.

By the way, do you realise that no one will change their viewpoint about China with the kind of threads you are creating?
I agree. that this place is not mine and mine alone. Have I ever forbid or even discourage people to mass create threads? No. Others can also just do what I do, and I have zero issues if there are other people who also do that.

Well, about the China thing I can only hope, I guess.
Aug 4, 2021 3:14 AM

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Desolated said:
Meusnier said:

What you are doing is akin to taking adulterated wine to a party. You shall be remembered of course, but not for the good reasons.

There is no such rule indeed, only the bourgeois concept called "decency" or even "elegance" and the basic idea of communism that this place is not only for yourself. You should learn about sharing more.

By the way, do you realise that no one will change their viewpoint about China with the kind of threads you are creating?
I agree. that this place is not mine and mine alone. Have I ever forbid or even discourage people to mass create threads? No. Others can also just do what I do, and I have zero issues about it.

Well, about the China thing I can only hope, I guess.

Come on, as @DeathKO said, this is abusing of the rules to create so many threads (or more precisely, the basic etiquette of internet fora), and which often break the rules due to their low-quality sources of sensationalist titles. Besides @Crow_Black, I have never seen anyone act like this here, and you cannot expect it to be the normalised behaviour to expect. How would this place look like if every CE regular posted 10 threads a day? It would become completely meaningless and people would not post in most threads.

Pauca sed matura.
Aug 4, 2021 3:37 AM

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Meusnier said:
Desolated said:
I agree. that this place is not mine and mine alone. Have I ever forbid or even discourage people to mass create threads? No. Others can also just do what I do, and I have zero issues about it.

Well, about the China thing I can only hope, I guess.

Come on, as @DeathKO said, this is abusing of the rules to create so many threads (or more precisely, the basic etiquette of internet fora), and which often break the rules due to their low-quality sources of sensationalist titles. Besides @Crow_Black, I have never seen anyone act like this here, and you cannot expect it to be the normalised behaviour to expect. How would this place look like if every CE regular posted 10 threads a day? It would become completely meaningless and people would not post in most threads.

Pauca sed matura.
Which source you say here areow quality and have sensationalist titles? I don't think any my post titles are sensationalist to be fair.

I mean, I usually dont create threads as much as this time. At most was like 3-4 per whenever I got a lot of time to read on my private discord server current events and repost the news shared there here. It's just that when I know that CE will be closed soon, that I try to create a lot of threads because I think of it as my "farewell party" to CE.
Aug 4, 2021 2:08 PM

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Desolated said:
Meusnier said:

Come on, as @DeathKO said, this is abusing of the rules to create so many threads (or more precisely, the basic etiquette of internet fora), and which often break the rules due to their low-quality sources of sensationalist titles. Besides @Crow_Black, I have never seen anyone act like this here, and you cannot expect it to be the normalised behaviour to expect. How would this place look like if every CE regular posted 10 threads a day? It would become completely meaningless and people would not post in most threads.

Pauca sed matura.
Which source you say here areow quality and have sensationalist titles? I don't think any my post titles are sensationalist to be fair.

I mean, I usually dont create threads as much as this time. At most was like 3-4 per whenever I got a lot of time to read on my private discord server current events and repost the news shared there here. It's just that when I know that CE will be closed soon, that I try to create a lot of threads because I think of it as my "farewell party" to CE.

You had 13 active threads you created when I made this post in the last CE thread, and now there are 16 active threads by you, and some of them are of questionable interest. Those threads seem rather anecdotal for example:

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1945513
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1944715
Aug 4, 2021 2:15 PM

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Desolated said:
Which source you say here areow quality and have sensationalist titles? I don't think any my post titles are sensationalist to be fair.

I mean, I usually dont create threads as much as this time. At most was like 3-4 per whenever I got a lot of time to read on my private discord server current events and repost the news shared there here. It's just that when I know that CE will be closed soon, that I try to create a lot of threads because I think of it as my "farewell party" to CE.

You had 13 active threads you created when I made this post in the last CE thread, and now there are 16 active threads by you, and some of them are of questionable interest. Those threads seem rather anecdotal for example:

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1945513
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1944715
Look at time time gap in which I create those threads. The most I did was like 4 per day.

And I thought you used to say that BBC is reliable source?
Aug 4, 2021 2:19 PM

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Desolated said:
Meusnier said:

You had 13 active threads you created when I made this post in the last CE thread, and now there are 16 active threads by you, and some of them are of questionable interest. Those threads seem rather anecdotal for example:

https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1945513
https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1944715
Look at time time gap in which I create those threads. The most I did was like 4 per day.

And I thought you used to say that BBC is reliable source?

In this post, I was only questioning the relevance of such threads for CE, not the quality of the source, but this is another debate and let us not restart the controversy over Reuters and its likes.
Aug 4, 2021 6:16 PM

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Stop blaming capitalism and start blaming the lack of government oversight, these companies get away with it because of lack of enforcement.


Aug 4, 2021 9:26 PM

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Hoppy said:
Stop blaming capitalism and start blaming the lack of government oversight, these companies get away with it because of lack of enforcement.
In a country where lobbying is a legal action and billionaires "donate" in order to evade taxations? lmao.
Aug 5, 2021 1:41 PM

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Oh noes, they break their own laws.
Oh, wait, commies always create the laws in favor of themselves.
Glass house, amirite?
There is such thing as shit taste. Only idiots think that every "work of art" should have the same value.

Oil and nuclear are civilisation saviours. Deal with it.
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