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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Welp, John Walker has a huge target on his back now. After the recent events, I can't say it's surprising. Matsuoka is also the hero this show needs. Koharu definitely deserves some praise for her work. If it wasn't for her, this Gravedigger case would of been much more complex. |
Stark700Feb 2, 2020 8:57 AM
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| Hondomachi will be a brilliant detective like Sakaido. Well, she was able to solve the Gravedigger case. More serial killers, this time the one that killed Sakaido's daughter. |
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| I knew it, i knew there is something wrong with Hondoumachi, girl's crazy in the head. |
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| Interesting episode! Lots of things were thrown at us this episode and I can only hope that we'll be getting the answers in time. Far too suspicious that the creator is missing, there's definitely something wrong there. Anyway, the whole conversation between the detectives there was highly intriguing. A similar weapon but solely focused on manipulating unconsciousness and whatnot would certainly clear things up a bit but I feel like there's more to this. Damn, the requirement for a brilliant detective is quite something. "It takes one to know one" as @deg said. I knew something was off with Hondomachi, and here it is. Good thing she managed to solve the case quickly though, things weren't looking bright at all. Meanwhile, Sakaido's sworn enemy is suddenly back again. Now, does this mean a greater enemy that Sakaido is probably aware of by now responsible for that? Yes, that's right, are we talking about John Walker here? Interesting... Got to say, that circling train sure gave me the creeps by the way. It's 1:18 at my place currently and there's no awake other than me, so maybe that's a legitimate reason lol. |
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deg said: i also found this via googling The Surprising Benefits of Some Psychopathic Traits A recent study on male police recruits found that police officers are more likely to have psychopathic traits.1 https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/finding-new-home/201806/the-surprising-benefits-some-psychopathic-traits not surprising since James Bond is labeled as a functional psychopath too and he is considered a good guy Heh, that does seem very interesting indeed. |
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| lol the little detective has a potential to be a serial killer...hmm |
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| Even though Hondomachi has shown the qualities of a great detective, I really hope the show doesn't start focusing on her more. I really can't stand her for some reason. Though mostly I don't want that, because that will give less screen time for Sakaido, who's definetly the most interesting character I've seen in a while. |
| I can't wait for Hondoumachi and Sakaidou to team up. I hope it's both inside and outside of the ID Well, that would be pretty awesome. Hondoumachi is growing on me a lot these past two episodes. I thought she was going to be the damsel in distress but she's turning into kind of a badass! She also looking pretty THICC in this episode as well.  phantomfandom said: I'm wondering if Matsuoka is the John Walker, a long coat is one reason, but I suspect when he recommend Koharu to be a detective. While his reason is perfect, she just kill a man and probably on a verge of being a serial killer, she may need a push in a well to be an actual serial killer, and Matsuoka just done that. Yep I agree 100% Matsuoka seems to fit the John Walker bill more then any one else. |
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| The way Hondoumachi reacted when they were able to harvest some cognitive particle, just after killing Haruka (previous episode), really show that killing the culprit was normal for her. |
| No idea, how I should feel about the episode, nothing much happened but lots of hints/foreshadowing!! Now if something good happens in the coming episodes, its a good episode otherwise it isn't!! |
| 'I have no bonds tying me down. That's why I can see things as they are!!' - Yugami |
| I was still hoping for Kazuta to survive, but anyways this was great, unexpected how crazy the fuckin loli is, she is going to be probably one of my most hated characters from this season. |
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Alvaritoterreos said: I was still hoping for Kazuta to survive, but anyways this was great, unexpected how crazy the fuckin loli is, she is going to be probably one of my most hated characters from this season. Well if sakaido is not hated, I don't see any reason why she would be hated. Everyone is fighting for a cause and I am sure she had a back-story too!! Back-stories can convert even hateable characters into likable!! What a great power! |
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Sandaime33 said: The way Hondoumachi reacted when they were able to harvest some cognitive particle, just after killing Haruka (previous episode), really show that killing the culprit was normal for her. That's a very good obersvation..she almost had us with self defense lol. That was some crazy baiting and killing to just get some particles.. |
DestyPuffari said: Even though Hondomachi has shown the qualities of a great detective, I really hope the show doesn't start focusing on her more. I really can't stand her for some reason. Though mostly I don't want that, because that will give less screen time for Sakaido, who's definetly the most interesting character I've seen in a while. same, maybe its to due with the fact she looks like she's 10 but something about her character just annoys me to death. i dont want her to steal the spotlight from sakaido, because then they'll be no point for his character which is a shame because i think he's brilliant |
| Aside from the action scene between Hondoumachi and Kazuta being a little dumb, the episode was nice. I'm looking forward to seeing Hondoumachi play the role of the brilliant detective. |
| Does anyone know the name of the song that plays around 18:40? |
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| WTF 8 shots from Hondomachi's Sig Sauer P226 and not one hit the guy?????? Man, do all cops in this anime have to be a bunch of bad shots???? Matsuoka getting a knife in his back, man, he should be having massive bleeding in his lungs and he should've been dying from that knife in his back, |
JiangHaoyi1979 said: WTF 8 shots from Hondomachi's Sig Sauer P226 and not one hit the guy?????? Man, do all cops in this anime have to be a bunch of bad shots???? Matsuoka getting a knife in his back, man, he should be having massive bleeding in his lungs and he should've been dying from that knife in his back, One went "perfectly" through the hole in his head... LOL Equally ridiculous, those kitchen knives being thrown so accurately and effectively... Kitchen knives? Give me a break. |
| Honestly feel bad that Kazuta died. Was hoping him and his crush would be in or near the same cell so they could finally confess to each other.. Really messed up relationship they were in, though. |
| I hate how slept on this show is. It may be moderately popular on here, but obviously this site isn't representative of the avg anime viewer. Twitter, FB, etc. Deserves way more love. Been pushing it since week 1 when I compared it to a Nolan film and got rt'd by Funi. A bullet thru the head? Physics:100 Another great episode, I been saying since week 1 that the seeds had been sown in Hondoumachi for her to go on and become an antagonist at the end, looks like that may just be the case. Sakaido breaking down while holding Kaeru's hand and the camera panning to show the train going in circles was really well done and got me emotional, shit must be so hard for him to constantly go through this same cycle. |
Marinate1016Feb 2, 2020 2:23 PM
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| Hope Hondomachi doesnt turn into killer. It seem that the brain hole affect her conscience |
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| I always figured the hole in her head was gonna turn into a plot point. As after all, the first killer that was captured, how his mind works with the hole in his head. Always been concerned for the girl ever since. Even when she's been invited to a talk at the end gave me concerns. It's almost as if she's gonna flip at some point. |
| Interesting as usual, I liked the well found after Hondomachi killed the Gravedigger's accomplice : it was quite a realistic vision of an unconscious trauma. Like, the circle running train which never stops is somehow a good representation of a person's inconscious who would desire to forget about a traumatic event but wouldn't be able to. |
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| I feel like Matsuoka or Hondomachi are definitely more than meets the eye. Looks like John Walker is the main villain of this series though. But man, I think the well's are the best part of this entire series. Each has their own sense of eerieness to them and each kinda tells their own subtle story about the person in question. I love how creative they are as well And it took a while to realize, but this is definitely the best OP this season, at least from what I can remember |
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deg said: so the inventor of their Id Wells diving device is missing eh interesting and also the killer of Saikaidos daughter is link now to the cases so far so who is the John Walker among them lol also sadism or dark triad traits are requirements to become a brilliant detective? makes sense since as they say "it takes one to know one" so criminal minds can fight other criminal minds Its Hannibal in anime form but with less gore. Makes me wonder if Hondomachi will end up cracking |
| At about 18:35 there is this beautiful instrumental/song and I had to replay it 3 times bc it was so impactful when he spoke about the bloodied dead girl. I fucking cried so much harder bc of it. And that alone just makes me love this anime so much more. Cute detective got a taste for blood and liked it. Good for her |
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| An interesting new episode that ends the Grave Digger Arc, but sets us on the path of a new one. So, we got dumped with a lot of info about the machine, its tech, its inventor, and the fact that pretty much our detective squad is using a machine they honestly don't know much about. We find the inventor disappeared mysteriously, they don't know if there are any prototypes, and they suspect that perhaps John Walker is influencing people within the mind using the same tech. Well, duh. That would honestly be my first theory, especially if you know that you have an AWOL inventor and tech that might be unaccounted for. The deal with the Gravedigger lovers team honestly wasn't that interesting in the end for me. Just a couple who had a weird unrequited love, and yet co-dependent relationship. I'm kind of glad we're done with that. However, thank goodness we are going more into the history of John Walker, and how he is finding his victims and who might be behind him, etc. The idea that it could be somebody from the team, is again, the first idea I had. I mean, it makes the most sense. Especially, if I assume you've interviewed all these serial killers and not one of them actually remembers seeing a guy that looks like John Walker? Then, of course, it has to be someone who is making contact with these individuals some other way. Some things are really getting stupid though. I don't think these people understand what happens to the head if it is punctured by something, a drill or otherwise. There is indeed quite a bit of precedent that the person will live relatively normal lives if they get injured in that way. However, I absolutely don't think the brain and bone and skin are just going to sit there and NOT knit themselves back together, and allow a ton of bacteria and temperature changes and who knows what else, into your brain cavity! I'm sorry, but you break even my suspension of disbelief that not only with the hole remain open like that, but that you can shoot a bullet right through it and have it come out the other side, without the brain going splat. This "brain hole" thing, has really just got to stop. It was interesting at first, then got weird, and now it's just stupid. But I think overall, the most interesting part was Hondomachi and how she has begun to change. Even I thought her behavior was cold and dark at the beginning of the episode, with how easily she killed Kazuta and then was able to smile and joke afterward, even while he was dying. Matsuoka noticed it too, and he has become noticeably colder towards her throughout the episode, until their confrontation at the end. He describes her as a serial killer now, though has she actually killed more than one person? And how it's beginning to appear that she enjoys killing and death. Has she been targeted by John Walker? It would be interesting if she has. It looks like the Challenger, who killed the real-Sakaido's daughter, is being dragged into this. I'm guessing they might not want Sakaido digging into this well for his own psyche, so this might be Handomachi's first time out. We'll see how she does, though if she continues on this dark path, she might just end up living right next to her "fellow brilliant detectives". |
| So Hondoumachi may have some psychopathic traits, uh? Honestly, her becoming a Brilliant Detective was quite predictable but on a good note, it may bring an interesting development for both her character and Sakaido's. Especially considering that with this outcome, having her exploring Sakaido's unconscious would become a reality, which is something I have been wanting to happen since the beginning of the series. Overall, not as captivating as the previous episodes but still interesting enough. The talk between the detectives/staff members about a potential traitor was intriguing and despite how "dumb" the action sequence between Hondoumachi and Kazuta was, I liked how the whole sequence was used to give her more characterization by addressing the arrangements she did beforehand (pretending to kill the not-girlfriend, placing the "particles detector" on the coffee table, etc). |
kayuza77 said: She was already crazy before getting drilled, and they said that she was already a serial killer? or that she was going to be one? idkHope Hondomachi doesnt turn into killer. It seem that the brain hole affect her conscience |
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| God the first 5 minutes made me cringe so hard, officers not being able to shoot a target a couple meters away, the dude kissing her once again and the bullet going through his hole, what is this Hotd?! This anime takes itself kinda seriously so these things are way more jarring in it than other anime and it really took me out of the episode. At least the rest of the ep is good. |
| I'm excited to see the Challenger. I wonder whether Hondomachi will use this case as her debut because Sakaido is too close to the case? |
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operationvalkyri said: Sakaido's impulse to save Kaeru is so strong. Wonder if Narihisago has a similar soft side to him. Seems we'll find out more about his pastin the next episode. Condemning Hondomachi for being a serial killer even before she's acted like one seems harsh. I am hoping we see more of honomachi being a mentalist to other prisoners. |
TheGodOfPlay said: shubh_jain_2 said: No idea, how I should feel about the episode, nothing much happened but lots of hints/foreshadowing!! Now if something good happens in the coming episodes, its a good episode otherwise it isn't!! Here is Someone opinion on reddit. https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/expoex/comment/fgbbzzg Haha, my thoughts, it's kinda interesting. Don't know why it is so? In the 2nd half of the episode, nothing happens, but it was heartfelt, much better than the 1st half of the episode!! Most of the series is basically building up the mystery, the conclusion of the show will affect the ratings a lot!! |
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| This anime just doesn't get the recognition it deserves, people are sleeping on this hidden gem, because it's just THAT good. Koharu and Matsuoka are ONE STEP CLOSER to solving the Gravedigger case, however ONE STEP FURTHER because of Kazuta, who's still alive in the real world and intersecting with Sakaido and Inami's psyche in the ID Well. And as it turns out, more than being a serial killer (as an requirement to be the "brilliant detective" as means of justice) Koharu saved the day with what seems to be added mystery with another brain-drilled person (like her) and the mass serial killer creator John Walker still at large, while the organization and police still are finding linking traces of information (and of course, the viewers too). Now it's not just through the conscious that both the killers and the brilliant detective Sakaido can dive deep into, but also to the unconscious mind, to which Sakaido has YET to find out to give the organisation and police the edge over. And wherever he goes, the dead Kaeru will always be the contact and focus point of his investigations. Meeting both young Inami and Kazuta in the train that conspicuously ran over her mother, only Sakaido can figure out what's truly going on in their psyche, their connections. While Koharu joins the rank of "brilliant detective" alongside Sakaido, it seems that for him, the train that circles and never ends, signify that people aren't conflicted on their sole impulse to be killers, but rather, by some form of connection (or maybe I'm reading the atmosphere wrong). Sakaido, or Narihisago's past, once shrouded in mystery, finally revealed that someone called the Challenger, who murdered his daughter, pens the road to revenge...? Kinda excited for the next episode. |
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| Great episode as always, really as one of the top anime of this season for me. JiangHaoyi1979 said: WTF 8 shots from Hondomachi's Sig Sauer P226 and not one hit the guy?????? Man, do all cops in this anime have to be a bunch of bad shots???? freedombaby94 said: But more importantly... Nobody has yet mentioned how ridiculous (in a good way) it was that the BULLET WENT THROUGH THE HOLE IN THAT GUY'S HEAD. (edit didn't see someone mention that above before I posted this because I hadn't refreshed the page) Absolutely insane, completely unrealistic. and 100% AWESOME i loved it. Ok I read something elsewhere online that there was this theory that she didn't "miss" any of her shots, aka, she intentionally missed every single shot of hers (possibly even the brain part) so that she could go in for a closer kill. She could have wanted to kill him up close rather than far away. But idk, it was just a theory. |
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| I wonder what will be Hondomachi's brilliant detective name and outfit |
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