| How can it be that no one so far has mentioned Code Gayass R2 Never I had lost so many braincells watching an anime than with that thing |
| Zero no Tsukaima. I mean, really. Once the reasons behind the main character's stupid Stockholm Syndrome for the girl who kidnapped and abused him are revealed, said mc ends up staying by her side regardless. |
| Silently waiting for WW3 to come and kill everyone while I die smoking weed and drinking coke 🚬👌 |
| Re:Creators all it does is pander to weebs. |
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| I would say Btooom! and Hamatora (although I still feel strongly about those two), the most recent anime to insult my intelligence was the Seven Deadly Sins, specifically Season 2. The Deus ex Machina, Power Level use and training/tournament arcs just greatly insulted my intelligence. |
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| Highschool of the Dead - literally the cheapest kind and worst quality of fanservice used only to conceal the overall mess that this show is. Bikini Warriors / Prison School / Keijo!!! - overall insult. Other than lowest quality possible fanservice, you won't find anything here. |
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It's Type Moon, what did you expect? They can't write a good story to save themselves if their lives were depending on it. The only thing that's even worse is the guy who wrote the Higurashi/Umineko trainwrecks. Some of the most pointlessly convoluted and pretentious writing that you can find out there. Apparently, he's also a huge fan of Type moon which kind of explains it. |
xenovibe said: It's Type Moon, what did you expect? They can't write a good story to save themselves if their lives were depending on it. The only thing that's even worse is the guy who wrote the Higurashi/Umineko trainwrecks. Some of the most pointlessly convoluted and pretentious writing that you can find out there. Apparently, he's also a huge fan of Type moon which kind of explains it. Hey, I like Umineko :V Not to say it's perfect but it has some very interesting ideas and concepts. Plus the characterization of Battler's aunts in particular is magnificent. So yeah, I really love it, actually. But yeah, I dislike the most of Type-Moon stuff. Especially FSN. |
NthDegree said: xenovibe said: It's Type Moon, what did you expect? They can't write a good story to save themselves if their lives were depending on it. The only thing that's even worse is the guy who wrote the Higurashi/Umineko trainwrecks. Some of the most pointlessly convoluted and pretentious writing that you can find out there. Apparently, he's also a huge fan of Type moon which kind of explains it. Hey, I like Umineko :V Not to say it's perfect but it has some very interesting ideas and concepts. Plus the characterization of Battler's aunts in particular is magnificent. So yeah, I really love it, actually. But yeah, I dislike the most of Type-Moon stuff. Especially FSN. Most popular anime/manga out there have "interesting ideas and concepts". It's the execution part that they completely fall flat on their face the vast majority of the time. |
xenovibe said: NthDegree said: Hey, I like Umineko :V Not to say it's perfect but it has some very interesting ideas and concepts. Plus the characterization of Battler's aunts in particular is magnificent. So yeah, I really love it, actually. But yeah, I dislike the most of Type-Moon stuff. Especially FSN. Most popular anime/manga out there have "interesting ideas and concepts". It's the execution part that they completely fall flat on their face the vast majority of the time. Totally unrelated but is that Vergil in your avatar? You have some good tastes in video games. |
| Saenai Heroine: mc and every word he say you lose 1 IQ point. Eromanga-sensei: How to reduce all your argument to the word "pe**s" and braindead co mc. |
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| I don't remember exactly, but things like "you die when you are killed" or "You are you because you are yourself", some BS like that... or when a character realized something painfully obvious and then it start to give a 10 minutes explanation about it. |
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| R.O.D the TV especially comparing to brilliant R.O.D OVA. First part of show was ok, but after introducing tv-version of Yomiko Readman it went to crap with the speed of light. All characters suddenly become stupid and start making such irrelevant decisions that I was not sure anymore what exactly am I watching - still R.O.D or maybe some kind of absurd comedy. |
DesolatePsyche said: Confused on whether or not i should conflate those two lines and respond to it as one. I'll assume they're different.Lunilah said: Hunter x Hunter (2011) was merciless in over explaining everything from obvious intentions to strengths and weaknesses in an unironic jojos style, to filling episodes up with unnecessary dialogue about literally anything to meet the episode run time. I liked it. Gave more powerful and epic feeling. Aside that.. thread answer in general is "no". I don't have such ego to consider having some sort of intelligence "level" that is possible to offend from. (let alone from fiction). That just sounds dumb. I think ego has everything to do with it and that there isn't anybody without ego, but that isn't to say being insulted intellectually by anime tropes talking down to you means you're egotistical, very different. You could equate it with someone telling you a joke, you laughing, and them explaining the joke to you like you didn't catch it despite it being so obvious that you did, but then multiply that by how many times the trope is in anime or a specific one. It may not be bothering the first time, but it will get to you and it won't sound dumb then. |
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| Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha Vivid really is an insult to Nanoha, to the fans, to my intelligence. Simulated battles? Nanoha as a housewife? The rest of the cast is non existent. What the actual F. I didn't give a 5 because of some random appearances of Teana. MMemiMMei said: Saenai Heroine: mc and every word he say you lose 1 IQ point. Oh, finally somebody who actually thinks that Saekano is shit. That show is literally making me lose a lot of brain cells. |
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| no game no life. Tried to made the show sound smart instead made viewers confused af. |
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| Any comedy anime where after the punchline pops into existence it has to explain every detail about it instead of letting the joke be a joke |
| SAO And it’s not even close. Everything about SAO is a huge middle finger to rationality and comprehensive story telling. And I’m not memeing or whatever, this anime is intentionally made to being an anime version of a very stupid, low-brow action movie where logic is thrown out the window and replaced by explosions and high speed car chases. SAO is the antithesis of what a good anime could be. |
| Probably an old Go Nagai title called Kama Sutra-just thinking about it makes me cringe! |
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Lincompoop said: no game no life. Tried to made the show sound smart instead made viewers confused af. No, it wasn't confusing--it was just pretending to be about choice and determinism and all that kinda thing when it was just a gross harem with the most eye-bleedingly garish art style imaginable. |
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| The movie Mind Game is insulting, I can't watch those stupid character desings and ridiculous animation, it's like watching a WC and calling it art. |
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| Every anime/manga with a tsundere female lead. Like is this some Japanese fetish to be abuse constantly. The story's are interesting but the abuse just have me cringing. Ohh and the entire monogatari and fate(type moon specifically) series my brain still trying to process it. |
RetroBite said: flannan said: Indeed. Makes one wonder how these people survived school. I find anime where authors throw around bogus science like in Geneshaft to be a lot more insulting.  Personally I don't mind explanations cause they are needed. But maybe people mean this ^ here? The problem is, there is nothing wrong with the picture there. That is exactly the way somebody should point out a building in an audio-visual medium. Sure, under most circumstances, I would expect people to see the building at greater distance, but I accept that lighting levels are depicted higher than they "actually" are for viewer convenience. That is, it's dark there, and the building is moderately hard to notice in the darkness. And that's why those people complaining about exposition are annoying. zrdb said: Probably an old Go Nagai title called Kama Sutra-just thinking about it makes me cringe! Why do you even expect a hentai to be intelligent? That said, it was funny. Especially the ruins built with the sole intention of making people have sex. Piromysl said: Highschool of the Dead - literally the cheapest kind and worst quality of fanservice used only to conceal the overall mess that this show is. I'm not sure what do you mean by "mess", but I think HotD is exactly the way zombie-apocalypse movies are supposed to be, except with fanservice (and occasional fan disservice). Piromysl said: Bikini Warriors - overall insult. Other than lowest quality possible fanservice, you won't find anything here. As a gamer (and a fan of RPGs), I strongly disagree. The show is actually full of gaming-related jokes, which are pretty funny. TodAboT said: idontknowsarcasm said: - wow you are even having a stroke about sao in here too. Can you disprove any points I made or are you just going to complain about a person not liking a show, like you usually do? It's useless to argue with dumb SAO haters like you. I know, because I argued a lot. "only a baby wouldn't know"? What? Reality doesn't work like that. In reality, even a beginning cook can attempt making a complicated dish like a cake. It's more likely to fail in some way, but the cook can attempt it. And most skill-based RPG systems don't work like that either. --ALEX-- said: SAO And it’s not even close. Everything about SAO is a huge middle finger to rationality and comprehensive story telling. And I’m not memeing or whatever, this anime is intentionally made to being an anime version of a very stupid, low-brow action movie where logic is thrown out the window and replaced by explosions and high speed car chases. SAO is the antithesis of what a good anime could be. Why do you even think anime owes you to be intellectual? If you find yourself unable to make sense of some technical moment of SAO - just read the goddamn book. All of it makes sense. Pixxonyx said: Every anime/manga with a tsundere female lead. Like is this some Japanese fetish to be abuse constantly. The story's are interesting but the abuse just have me cringing. Actually, it's because emotionally unstable characters are moe. |
| @flannan Two things I want to say. #1 I’m not saying anime owes me anything...I’m answering the thread’s question. “Which anime insulted your intelligence?” For me, the best answer is SAO....and that’s not to say I can’t enjoy a dumb anime, because I can, the problem is that SAO is NOT supposed to be a dumb anime, but it is. #2 If there’s something I don’t like, it’s people who say “go read the book/manga/LN/ or whatever”... No. That’s not the way it works...when you criticize something like anime, you criticize JUST THAT, I shouldn’t have to read any source material to understand what is going on...and if I DO...then the anime failed miserably. And I think it’s telling that people feel the need to say “oh you’d understand SAO better if you read the LN”....you’re just proving my point that the anime was very stupid. |
| I don't think i've ever watched an anime that insulted my intelligence, but just hearing about the different plot holes and contrivances in SAO is astounding. |
Deeboy said: Shoot your shot i already squared up and shot mine, it's free smoke since this thread startedLunilah said: Hunter x Hunter (2011) was merciless in over explaining everything from obvious intentions to strengths and weaknesses in an unironic jojos style, to filling episodes up with unnecessary dialogue about literally anything to meet the episode run time. Square up my dude. Why u talking bad about my baby? |
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Konpurekkusu said: RetroBite said: Yeah, or like in Kaiji. I find that level of spoonfeeding kinda comical, but oh well. Sad part was, that HxH wasn't like that, up until the Chimera Ant Arc. I totally agree! Having to sit through 5 episodes of filler with that squid guy, or that damn board game, was so boring to me. Though, Kurapika's spider arc was amazingly executed imo. That isn‘t filler. If the board game is boring or not doesn‘t matter in this chat. |
| Ousama Game, just watch it and u will understand why... |
| I won't call it insulting my intelligence but recently 'Bunny girl senpai' made me scratched my head a couple of times, and push me into research mode on google just to validate again what I know about science and stuff. |
ChemicalBro said: Konpurekkusu said: I totally agree! Having to sit through 5 episodes of filler with that squid guy, or that damn board game, was so boring to me. Though, Kurapika's spider arc was amazingly executed imo. That isn‘t filler. If the board game is boring or not doesn‘t matter in this chat. My point is that having 5 episodes of that is clearly cause of overexplaining. English isn’t my first language, so I’m sorry if there were any misunderstandings. |
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Flevalt said: Gintama works in a very similar way from what I've noticed. People call it a parody, because it constantly makes references to other manga. Thing is, it's not making fun of the other manga, it's not ridiculing them or bringing them up in a funny scene. It just references them. No, that's not it. At all. The series never goes with these scenes for namedropping alone. If anything, what one should get from Gintama and its parodies is that they are not ill-intended against the stuff they reference. The style of comedy of this show is self-deprecation, not making fun of others. They will make Gintoki become Luffy just to illustrate the joke that unlike Luffy, Gintoki is lazy and unmotivated and unfit for a MC of a Shonen Jump series. |
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Flevalt said: jal90 said: The style of comedy of this show is self-deprecation, not making fun of others. They will make Gintoki become Luffy just to illustrate the joke that unlike Luffy, Gintoki is lazy and unmotivated and unfit for a MC of a Shonen Jump series. That's another thing I find suspicious. All of it leads back to the weekly shonen jump. I've been reading manga for over 20 years, shonen like Dragonball or the big three being one of the main content I read when I got into manga. What you are telling me now is basically that in order to get the jokes, it's about knowing weekly shonen jump. A Japanese magazine. Something I'm sure a majority of people that like Gintama have never actively read, let alone as hard copy. Odd, isn't it? It makes you wonder how far into fawning over Japan one has to be, to be compatible for that anime. Well... you know, it's the Shonen Jump. Everybody and their mother reads the SJ in Japan. So the series is not really obscure at all for its intended audience, and I'd say it's not either for a minimally knowledgeable anime fan since most of its parodies are to successful shonen franchises. I didn't get the JoJo references of an arc because I hadn't watched it at the time, but you know... it's JoJo. Most people who get invested in this show will get it pretty easily. Flevalt said: I appreciate your attempt at an explanation, but I get the feeling that that is not quite it. Comedy, if it gets very popular as Gintama is now, generally has several layers to it. This means that there are jokes in it directed at people that have parts of the background knowledge and then there are jokes directed at people that understand all of the background knowledge. This way a wide spectrum of people can find something to laugh about. And I'm sure Gintama is no exception. If what you describe is the latter and all of that simplistic slapstick etc. is the former, then I still don't get the popularity. A contrast can make for a funny scene, I'll admit to that anytime. But in that case it is literally making a statement about shonen jump then. So more than self-critique, it would be an indirect bashing of shonen jump and how a story like Gintama shouldn't be in there if strictly following tradition. That does make it look more redeemable, but at the same time it underlines what I said about it. If it only makes sense in the context of shonen jump, it's a show for weebs to show how weeb they are. Which is, and I speak here as a fan of many manga that appeared in shonen jump (just no interest in the magazine as an anthology), quite weak. Or maybe I'm taking the wrong message from your statement and it's really less about any specific extern medium and more about making fun of itself more than anything. But yeah, roughly 10 episodes with only 1 scene that I found funny was a clear sign to stay away. Of course it's not about a single specific extern medium, but it's about franchises that are quite recognizable most of the time. And there are many different approaches. A few other examples: 1. There is an episode where the MCs claim that Gintama has been cancelled and show various alternative conclusions for the series. One of them is a blatant ripoff of the original Evangelion ending. The joke having various layers then like: a) the conclusion of the show becoming a blatant ripoff of another show, b) the original NGE ending was quite infamous and didn't quite convince people at the time so copying it was absurd in the first place, c) the entire narrative hook of the sequence is Shinpachi emulating Shinji by reflecting on how the show just stopped caring about his original arc and having to find a new purpose for his character. There's also several other little jokes in the scene and the visual pun on seiyuu (Madao's VA is the same as Gendo Ikari). 2. In another episode the author of the manga/anime gets killed and the arstyle becomes inconsistent, so much that another author takes the lead and turns it into a Hokuto no Ken ripoff show, with obvious inconsistencies both in physical aspect, personalities for the characters and story. The joke is more on the fact it just doesn't fit the tone of Gintama than in the parody itself. 3. Another example is Kagura suddenly having a tail like Goku from Dragon Ball, which is discovered by another character who is spying through a mirror, which is a clash from her usual aspect and being brought like more than 200 episodes into the show it pokes fun with the idea that we don't really know shit about the character and only when she feels in a safe space she reveals this secret; and then she removes her tail in a quite gory sequence. At the end of the joke we realize that she was just trolling. In all these examples the reference gives context to the joke, but it doesn't dictate it. The joke is about the statu quo in Gintama, its own narrative and its own flaws or its relationship with the audience. There are, of course, many kinds of parodies in the show. Some are more malicious like the Dragon Ball parody with Hijikata that basically mocks the narrative of that series, but for the most part, the jokes are still about Gintama in contrast to and as a result of. That's what I mean with self-deprecation. And yes, the lack of motivation of Gintoki to be a MC of a SJ manga is a running gag, and so is Kagura's unfitting personality for a SJ heroine. But it's not the only approach of the show, there's plenty from production issues to the lack of an ongoing narrative in the show, from censorship and copyright jokes to the popularity of the characters (there's an entire arc about the characters fighting against each other over a popularity poll in the manga). Basically the comedy in Gintama, aside from noisy, grotesque and immature, which I won't deny and is part of its charm to me, is very meta and self-aware. To say that it uses parody for the mere shallow reference check is one of the most unfair things one can ever say about this series no matter how much one dislikes it. And of course the self-deprecation jokes are just pretending and the show is not actually a production disaster without narrative direction and a lazy mangaka. But that's how it plays. You can certainly hold this interpretation that they are actually making fun of their references, but if you know how the comedy of this show usually works, it becomes quite a stretch and has to assume an intent that is never stated or even hinted by the series. |
| Goblin Slayer, but only the first half of episode 1. The other parts of the story up to EP5 (where its currently on-hold for me) had their own issues, but none that I'd view as "insulting my intelligence". What I didn't like about that first half of episode 1 was how over-the-top the mistakes of the rookie adventurers were shown, like "Foreshadowing here! Foreshadowing there! Foreshadowing everywhere!" It was so much that it fell out of the acceptable range of my suspension of disbelief. This actually got so on my nerves that I really didn't give a single damn about the infamous "rape scene" because the level of writing on that part before that was just so damn horrible. The episode saved itself somewhat once Goblin Slayer finally appeard, but it only made the overall result an "OK", escpacially since I wasn't too impressed by the OST for some reason. Usually I actually quite enjoy that kind of BGM, but something just felt off about it in this case. For me EPs 1-5 are a solid 7/10 as a whole. |
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idontknowsarcasm said: the art style [of No Game no Life] it's one of the most beatiful you may see Are you fucking joking? "Garish" was the word I used in my previous post, and it's the most appropriate word you could apply to No Game No Life's...well, just about everything, but especially its art style. "Gaudy" also comes to mind, along with "putrid" and "technicolor vomit." |
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Zelkiiro said: idontknowsarcasm said: the art style [of No Game no Life] it's one of the most beatiful you may see Are you fucking joking? "Garish" was the word I used in my previous post, and it's the most appropriate word you could apply to No Game No Life's...well, just about everything, but especially its art style. "Gaudy" also comes to mind, along with "putrid" and "technicolor vomit." I thought it looked really awesome. It kind of had this sort of neon-brightness aesthetic to it that wasn't really neon per se, but really popped out in a way that felt so...vivid that it's probably the most apt word I feel I could describe it with. So distinct and unreal. I'm a massive sucker for gradients though xP Most importantly, it coupled great with the fanservice :> |
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Manaban said: Most importantly, it coupled great with the fanservice :> The fanservice in NGNL is just like its aesthetic--tacky and gross. I'm not much of a fanservice person in the first place, but when I want it, I prefer the more subtle day-to-day fanservice of something like Hibike! Euphonium. |
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| BTW-Go Nagai's Kama Sutra wasn't hentai-more like a hard R rating. |
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