| Both studios made a lot of good stuff and also quite some bad ones (as most studios do), if something A-1 Pictures suffers from is having very popular series that are divisive, while most of the popular Madhouse series are considered to be good. Anyways, I have a 6.83 weighted score with Madhouse (2nd place) and a 6.00 with A-1 Pictures (14th place), and they are the two studios I watched most series from, both are very good on my book. |
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| Yeah, I know. They both make anime. Yuck. |
BurningSpirit said: Everyone, do give this a try. Go to MALgraph, see where Madhouse and A1 Pictures stack up for you.   Soo, apparently 1st and last place. |
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| Because madhouse has at least made something that isn't garbage. A1 exclusively makes garbage. |
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| Probably because A1 pictures made SAO and Oreimo. I dunno, probably because of it's animations(Madhouse) |
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CHAMPIONOFDEATH said: Because Madhouse has created so many masterpieces that completely out weigh any garbage they may have produced. Meanwhile A-1 Pictures over here with SAO and Eromanga sensei on their record while not really having any notable anime that people care about. Ventus_S said: Kinda agree. Overlord is mediocre in every aspect from production value / animation/ plot yet people hype it to death for whatever reason. I absolutely hate Overlord, it is utter trash. But again, it means absolutely nothing because of the amount of masterpieces they have created. A1 has no anime people care about? You've gotta be joking. |
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SuperRed said: Like I said, they can do no wrong. So it was probably never good to begin with and Madhouse did their best to improve the storyButchering a good game with a filler storyline https://myanimelist.net/anime/1726/Devil_May_Cry |
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| A1 gets a lot of undeserved hate. People act like they've NEVER made a single good show, which obviously isn't true. |
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Kittens-kun said: CHAMPIONOFDEATH said: Because Madhouse has created so many masterpieces that completely out weigh any garbage they may have produced. Meanwhile A-1 Pictures over here with SAO and Eromanga sensei on their record while not really having any notable anime that people care about. I absolutely hate Overlord, it is utter trash. But again, it means absolutely nothing because of the amount of masterpieces they have created. A1 has no anime people care about? You've gotta be joking. Says the guy with 3 Madhouse anime and 0 A-1 Pictures anime in your favorites. No, I'm not joking. I really don't see how you can defend A-1, when they haven't even produced anything good enough that you would put in your favorites. I don't even hate A-1 at all, but I can at least acknowledge that Madhouse has made much better anime. |
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| a1's quality is has been degrading in a steep curve. the example is .... wellll exemplary in that the series's story also has been on a downward spiral.... but the art and animation in FAIRYTAIL from season one till the end of s2 you can see the decline in quality. AND its all A1's fault. I still like a1 bcz they are prolly gonna get awarded the ft s3 contract.... and ft zero was better. |
CHAMPIONOFDEATH said: Says the guy with 3 Madhouse anime and 0 A-1 Pictures anime in your favorites. No, I'm not joking. I really don't see how you can defend A-1, when they haven't even produced anything good enough that you would put in your favorites. I don't even hate A-1 at all, but I can at least acknowledge that Madhouse has made much better anime. How do the anime in my favorites matter? We're talking about the studio overall. I've liked a lot of their shows. Space Brothers, Demi-chan, Shigatsu, Erased, Magi, and plenty others. Me not having one of their shows in my favorites means nothing. |
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| What ? I always thought of A-1 Pictures as the best studio for making many heartwarming and sweet otaku animes like Saenai Heroine or Blend S it doesn't have to be remarkable animes such as HxH , at least I feel happieer with this animes |
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| I don't see how people do that either. Both Madhouse and A-1 pictures have made amazing anime, but that can be said about every studio though |
MortalMelancholy said: Because madhouse has at least made something that isn't garbage. A1 exclusively makes garbage. Are you really serious or is this more of your usual trolling? Probably the latter. |
BeyondTheStars said: It's because for a long time, A-1 has been and is still making a ton of shows with an almost identical art style and it's often either bad adaptation, bad source material or even both and we got at least 2 of them every season. They do produce some good shit from times to times i guess but not enough to brighten the studio's image. Meanwhile, madhouse has been producing a lot of excellent anime in the 2000's and even in the 90's iirc and only started declining around 2011 or something (after satoshi kon's death, the things that happened with redline and masao maruyama getting sick of this shit, leaving to found mappa) and they had the great hunter x hunter adaptation running at the time so people weren't really noticing the studio's decline. Also they put their name on One-punch man even though a major part of it was outsourced to studio bones. For someone who knows about outsourcing, you should know A-1 Pictures uses tons of freelancers and most of their shows do not look the same. That is a myth spread by Digibro because he blindly hates A-1 without knowing what he is talking about. Now don't get me wrong I am not saying these are good, but to just say they all look the same is just plain wrong. |
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SuperRed said: MortalMelancholy said: Because madhouse has at least made something that isn't garbage. A1 exclusively makes garbage. Are you really serious or is this more of your usual trolling? Probably the latter. Usual trolling? I'm always serious, I just have a lot to complain about. My mean score for A-1 is probably around a 5, and to me, anything I rate below a 9 is trash. |
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| As far as I've seen, the best of A1 can't even compare to the worst of Madhouse. Though that's not to say I love Madhouse or anything, it's just a low bar. I've seen nothing impressive from A1 and MH have done some of my favourite shows so I can put up with its problems. Edit: mean score for MH: 7.45, A1: 1.56 (had no fucking clue it was that low, I should start hating them properly with those stats). |
| I find A-1 has more noticeable drops in animation quality though especially Magi and Fairy Tail damn those were terrible. As a studio they are okay I don't really hate them. |
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| Studio matters a lot less than the production staff. These days, A1 vs Madhouse is a pretty meaningless comparison/debate. Both studios have some pretty talented people associated with them. Entirely shitting on one or the other because you've seen a few (or a bunch, even) of titles you didn't like it just petty. |
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| I don't think Madhouse is all that fantastic, tbh I like A-1 more. I think it's just a matter of popular blind opinion, just like hating on SAO and stuff like that. And also...you know, the almighty Digibro and his delightful fanbase |
| Because you can count the number of good A-1 Pictures anime on one hand, whereas Madhouse has decades of their catalog full of legendary series. |
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Maityoman said: Absolutely agree with every word of thisThis whole idea of naming and shaming studios is disgraceful. A-1 has contributed greatly to the anime industry. Digibro and his dick-riders can go fuck themselves. Clearly nothing but a bunch of neck beard wielding losers that are circle jerking in tandem. Digibro himself makes some good quality videos from time to time but his ravenous fan base coupled with his cunty personality make me want to curb stomp each and every one of them. |
| I think both of them are just meh. Both have some great series, but I didn't like most of the things I watched from both. Weighted C M W 120/122 Madhouse 67 5.25 5.31 121/122 A-1 Pictures 21 4.67 5.31 |
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| I won't say A-1 is better than Madhouse, because they are very different and they made different anime, and everyone love different anime. As far as I know, people hate A-1 because at Fall 2013, A-1 made Magi, SAO and Shinsekai Yori, and the art suffer. In addition there are news about an employee of A- 1 suicide after working 20 hours a day. So people perceive A-1 as a factory that churn out anime without concerning the quality. I think they may have bad anime from time to time, and people may hate A-1 for the poor working environment. But I think A-1 has proved that it is a competent company. They have made so many good anime to make up for it. I haven't watch enough Madhouse to have an opinion on it. (Ive only watched Death Note and Saiunkoku Monogatari) But according to MAL graph A-1 is my second favourite studio behind SHAFT, so I guess I prefer A-1 over madhouse, at least I watched more anime by A-1 because I'm interest in them. I am now watching Saekano and Working'!!, they are both fantastic. I don't think I would ever hate it, they have made some of my all-time favourite (like Oreimo, Demi-chan). I guess there is one more reason. People hate it because they've have made some successful anime that they hate, like SAO, Fairy tail and Eromanga sensei. There are always people who get mad when something that aren't good under there criteria get popular. |
| Going back to this thread and reading some replies: Sigh >tfw when old Madhouse are forgotten and only associated with Overlord, Btoom! OPM and No Game No Life  |
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Calal-Chan said: BeyondTheStars said: It's because for a long time, A-1 has been and is still making a ton of shows with an almost identical art style and it's often either bad adaptation, bad source material or even both and we got at least 2 of them every season. They do produce some good shit from times to times i guess but not enough to brighten the studio's image. Meanwhile, madhouse has been producing a lot of excellent anime in the 2000's and even in the 90's iirc and only started declining around 2011 or something (after satoshi kon's death, the things that happened with redline and masao maruyama getting sick of this shit, leaving to found mappa) and they had the great hunter x hunter adaptation running at the time so people weren't really noticing the studio's decline. Also they put their name on One-punch man even though a major part of it was outsourced to studio bones. For someone who knows about outsourcing, you should know A-1 Pictures uses tons of freelancers and most of their shows do not look the same. That is a myth spread by Digibro because he blindly hates A-1 without knowing what he is talking about. Now don't get me wrong I am not saying these are good, but to just say they all look the same is just plain wrong. You do have a point there, sorry for my lack of information regarding A-1 art styles. I do know they use tons of freelancers tho (part of why i don't like how the studio works). Btw digi doesn't just blindly hate A-1, he just happens to hate a lot of their shows, especially the light novel adaptations. I mean he even enjoyed demi-chan wa kataritai (though he did drop it for some reason) and shinsekai yori. |
Maityoman said: A1 has made one show you think is an 8 and 5 you think are a 7, the rest (30 shows) is all below your average score of 6.06. It is the studio at the absolute bottom of your list.This whole idea of naming and shaming studios is disgraceful. A-1 has contributed greatly to the anime industry. Digibro and his dick-riders can go fuck themselves. Clearly nothing but a bunch of neck beard wielding losers that are circle jerking in tandem. Digibro himself makes some good quality videos from time to time but his ravenous fan base coupled with his cunty personality make me want to curb stomp each and every one of them. You just have to accept the neckbeard and get your JO crystal out ;p |
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BeyondTheStars said: Calal-Chan said: For someone who knows about outsourcing, you should know A-1 Pictures uses tons of freelancers and most of their shows do not look the same. That is a myth spread by Digibro because he blindly hates A-1 without knowing what he is talking about. Now don't get me wrong I am not saying these are good, but to just say they all look the same is just plain wrong. You do have a point there, sorry for my lack of information regarding A-1 art styles. I do know they use tons of freelancers tho (part of why i don't like how the studio works). Btw digi doesn't just blindly hate A-1, he just happens to hate a lot of their shows, especially the light novel adaptations. I mean he even enjoyed demi-chan wa kataritai (though he did drop it for some reason) and shinsekai yori. Did he really enjoy Demi-chan if he dropped it? Personally I think if A-1 is the studio behind it Digi automatically judges it harsher, but I guess I could be wrong. Also no worries about your lack of information, we all do that from time to time. I know for a fact I lack tons of info I should know. |
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Kuraokani said: YLIA: 3/10, dropped 5 eps inCHAMPIONOFDEATH said: I'm no A-1 fanboy but come on. A-1 has no noteable anime...? Really? Because Madhouse has created so many masterpieces that completely out weigh any garbage they may have produced. Meanwhile A-1 Pictures over here with SAO and Eromanga sensei on their record while not really having any notable anime that people care about. I absolutely hate Overlord, it is utter trash. But again, it means absolutely nothing because of the amount of masterpieces they have created. How about Your Lie in April, Erased, Magi, Shinsekai yori, and Uchuu Kyoudai. None of these are "noteable"? Erased: 2/10, finished Magi: 3/10, dropped 1 ep in Shinsekai Yori: 1/10, finished Uchuu: 4/10, dropped 1 ep in I think A1 has a noteable show or 2 (haven't watched that much by them) but these didn't interest me at all and didn't seem to stand out very much, except for how bad they were at certain things. |
avory said: Kuraokani said: YLIA: 3/10, dropped 5 eps inI'm no A-1 fanboy but come on. A-1 has no noteable anime...? Really? How about Your Lie in April, Erased, Magi, Shinsekai yori, and Uchuu Kyoudai. None of these are "noteable"? Erased: 2/10, finished Magi: 3/10, dropped 1 ep in Shinsekai Yori: 1/10, finished Uchuu: 4/10, dropped 1 ep in I think A1 has a noteable show or 2 (haven't watched that much by them) but these didn't interest me at all and didn't seem to stand out very much, except for how bad they were at certain things. I know that's not my business but those score don't really matter if you dropped the anime one episode in. It would have been better if you just said that you aren't interested in Magi or Uchuu Kyoudai. Because giving a score based on 1 episode despite both having 50 eps, 99 eps is kinda odd. The score doesn't mean much to us. But you're free to rate on your will, I'm not here for telling you what to do, I just gave you some feedback on the matter. |
Hrybami said: Does the score not indicate my lack of interest?avory said: YLIA: 3/10, dropped 5 eps in Erased: 2/10, finished Magi: 3/10, dropped 1 ep in Shinsekai Yori: 1/10, finished Uchuu: 4/10, dropped 1 ep in I think A1 has a noteable show or 2 (haven't watched that much by them) but these didn't interest me at all and didn't seem to stand out very much, except for how bad they were at certain things. I know that's not my business but those score don't really matter if you dropped the anime one episode in. It would have been better if you just said that you aren't interested in Magi or Uchuu Kyoudai. Because giving a score based on 1 episode despite both having 50 eps, 99 eps is kinda odd. The score doesn't mean much to us. But you're free to rate on your will, I'm not here for telling you what to do, I just gave you some feedback on the matter. + I have my way of rating on my profile which also makes it clear that anything with a three or below was a chore to watch, which menas Uchuu wasn't that bad an experience while Magi was. |
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avory said: Hrybami said: Does the score not indicate my lack of interest?I know that's not my business but those score don't really matter if you dropped the anime one episode in. It would have been better if you just said that you aren't interested in Magi or Uchuu Kyoudai. Because giving a score based on 1 episode despite both having 50 eps, 99 eps is kinda odd. The score doesn't mean much to us. But you're free to rate on your will, I'm not here for telling you what to do, I just gave you some feedback on the matter. This can be misleading because you use the same number for other anime to which the score doesn't represent your interest. Let's say Shigatsu (3/10; 5eps/22) The score not only indicate your lack of interest, but also add some more factors. In comparison to Uchuu which is higher, it's nearly impossible to determine how is Uchuu a better anime in your opinion than Shigatsu because it's only based on your lack on interest. |
Hrybami said: I'm not judging the whole anime, I'm judging what I've seen of it. avory said: Does the score not indicate my lack of interest? This can be misleading because you use the same number for other anime to which the score doesn't represent your interest. Let's say Shigatsu (3/10; 5eps/22) The score not only indicate your lack of interest, but also add some more factors. In comparison to Uchuu which is higher, it's nearly impossible to determine how is Uchuu a better anime in your opinion than Shigatsu because it's only based on your lack on interest. Shigatsu had bad melodrama and uninteresting bad characters while Uchuu was just normal and uninteresting without anything that annoyed me, unlike Shigatsu. I don't give ratings based on some weird objective standard, I just give it a score based on my personal enjoyment. |
avory said: Hrybami said: I'm not judging the whole anime, I'm judging what I've seen of it. This can be misleading because you use the same number for other anime to which the score doesn't represent your interest. Let's say Shigatsu (3/10; 5eps/22) The score not only indicate your lack of interest, but also add some more factors. In comparison to Uchuu which is higher, it's nearly impossible to determine how is Uchuu a better anime in your opinion than Shigatsu because it's only based on your lack on interest. Shigatsu had bad melodrama and uninteresting bad characters while Uchuu was just normal and uninteresting without anything that annoyed me, unlike Shigatsu. I don't give ratings based on some weird objective standard, I just give it a score based on my personal enjoyment. I see that's how you conceive this, but from my perspective it's quite odd. I understand the logic behind this, it's just that it feels wrong in some ways. I don't really have more to say about that. |
Hrybami said: For me it feels wrong not rating something, I even do it for shows I haven't even finished an eisode of, I have an opinion on what I've seen of it and I am able to transform that opinion into a rating, the only way I would not be able to give something a rating is if I didn't have any thoughts or opinions on it.avory said: I'm not judging the whole anime, I'm judging what I've seen of it. Shigatsu had bad melodrama and uninteresting bad characters while Uchuu was just normal and uninteresting without anything that annoyed me, unlike Shigatsu. I don't give ratings based on some weird objective standard, I just give it a score based on my personal enjoyment. I see that's how you conceive this, but from my perspective it's quite odd. I understand the logic behind this, it's just that it feels wrong in some ways. I don't really have more to say about that. |
| I mean it's just peoples opinion's its not like its a fact when people say "Madhouse is better than X or Y studio" |
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Kuraokani said: Oh yeah, they're popular and appreciated, but I don't think they did anything notable, they just became it.avory said: Okayyy....? Thanks for your opinion I guess. YLIA: 3/10, dropped 5 eps in Erased: 2/10, finished Magi: 3/10, dropped 1 ep in Shinsekai Yori: 1/10, finished Uchuu: 4/10, dropped 1 ep in I think A1 has a noteable show or 2 (haven't watched that much by them) but these didn't interest me at all and didn't seem to stand out very much, except for how bad they were at certain things. Unfortunately you're not the majority. Just because you think that a few shows are bad dosent mean that they aren't "notable". Even some of A-1 Pictures "bad" shows are still notable in their own ways. Take Sword Art Online for example. I absolutely despise this show. I think it's utter garbage, but it is worthy of attention (notable - worthy of attention or notice). 40% of people on MAL gave Your Lie in April a 10/10. That makes the show notable. Sword Art Online is the 3rd most popular anime on MAL. That's notable Point being, I don't think people know what "notable" means If I watched them without knowing about what people thought of it I wouldn't call them notable which makes the shows themselves not notable, the response people had is notable and makes the show notable, not because the show is notable but purely because the reaction is. I still wouldn't call that a notable show. And there's different ways to use notable, but I'm no linguist and can't really explain it. "remarkable, outstanding, important, significant, momentous, headline, memorable, unforgettable, pronounced, marked, striking, glaring, obvious, impressive, uncommon, unusual, particular, special, extraordinary and exceptional" are synonyms of notable so it really depends on how you use it and mean it in your specific sentence, and then there's wether or not you're saying it objectively or subjectively, professional or common opinion or personal. IDK man, language is hard. And I also put "and didn't seem to stand out very much" in there which I would call the most important thing about being notable. |
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