tragedydesu said: but do a majority of incomplete adaptations have rushed endings?Yes , the majority of anime are incomplete adaptations |
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romagia said: tragedydesu said: but do a majority of incomplete adaptations have rushed endings?Yes , the majority of anime are incomplete adaptations Even when the anime stop in a good place it feels rushed Just my opinion |
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| Rushed endings are becoming less of a thing and open endings are taking over as anime has become a format to just advertise its source counterpart in many cases. So it's not so much that shows have rushed endings anymore, rather the show itself is most likely rushed. |
| Generally pacing is pretty consistent in anime, if they feel a series is rushed it's often due to content being cut that was included in the source material. In cases like light novel adaptations the format is usually a pretty standard 3-4 episodes per volume with the general 12 episodes so it ends neatly at the end of a volume. Manga can enter a bit of a gray area if their goal is to get caught up to say the recent arc or if the series happens to be ending soon then a rushed adaptation could easily be the result. But that wouldn't really be a rushed ending even then I can't say with confidence how common or uncommon it may happen to be. The only time I would say an ending is blatantly rushed are cases where they seemingly cut out so much material that the ending makes almost no sense such as the infamous case of say Mahou Sensou. |
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tragedydesu said: The worst kind of endings is when the best girl don't wins It totally destroy everything I've seen you type ''best girl'' at least 50 times this past week, I didn't know there were so many best girls in anime |
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| Rushed endings usually happen, having an anime adaption is usually so that the light novel/manga sales go up |
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NYJustin said: Rushed endings usually happen, having an anime adaption is usually so that the light novel/manga sales go up Advertisement in nutshell. Well who am i to complain about this stuff. |
NYJustin said: tragedydesu said: The worst kind of endings is when the best girl don't wins It totally destroy everything I've seen you type ''best girl'' at least 50 times this past week, I didn't know there were so many best girls in anime In every anime there is a best girl You don't know that ? :) Paul post explained it very well The whole serie feels rushed not just the ending |
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Xaelath said: NYJustin said: Rushed endings usually happen, having an anime adaption is usually so that the light novel/manga sales go up Advertisement in nutshell. Well who am i to complain about this stuff. I mean it would make sense that the author would receive more $$$ from light novel/manga sales than having his/her anime viewed on legal sites/streams |
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tragedydesu said: Yes , the majority of anime are incomplete adaptations The worst kind of endings is when the best girl don't wins It totally destroy everything #1 "incomplete adaptation" =/= "rushed ending" automatically. #2 OP didn't ask what was the worst type of ending #3 Do we need to call a Waaaaambulance for you? Being butt-hurt for a year now must be taking it's toll. OT: As others have said, rushed endings aren't that common, at least not as of late. Open-ended series are more common, and are likely more frustrating, especially to those that don't know the source. |
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| I'd say that most ending are just "go read the manga" endings than it is rushed. |
NYJustin said: I mean it would make sense that the author would receive more $$$ from light novel/manga sales than having his/her anime viewed on legal sites/streams Fair point. but do author also give money to studio for it to be adapted? why bother taking a risk if its losing instead of gaining especially generic one? 2 Million usd for 12 episodes isnt cheap so i kinda doubt if the author funded the studio. In my perspective studio get license to adapt the source. They fund their own and they get their own profit from it. |
| Pacing could either fast or neither slow... Other than that, the industry always makes thing worst by changing and skipping the script from it's source material. |
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| I've talked about Seikaisuru Kado enough today, but the rushed ending issue def applies to that anime. I notice it more with original anime than manga-based ones. There's so much pressure to have a plot that wraps up in 12-13 episodes that they end up pulling an ending out of their ass. I didn't like Kabaneri of the Iron Fortress even from the beginning, but I'd like it more if there wasn't a forced villain--->climax--->ending that has enough room for a second season. Manga based anime is more likely to have a "read the manga" ending than a rushed one. |
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Paul said: Rushed endings are becoming less of a thing and open endings are taking over as anime has become a format to just advertise its source counterpart in many cases. So it's not so much that shows have rushed endings anymore, rather the show itself is most likely rushed. I agree and disagree with you. I agree that open endings are taking over to help get people interested in the source material witch I don't think is a bad thing. You don't need an ending for it to be good but you need an ending for it to feel complete, I disagree with you when you say show themselves are rushed to me it feels like some are not complete witch happens when the source material hasn't finished yet. |
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Xaelath said: NYJustin said: I mean it would make sense that the author would receive more $$$ from light novel/manga sales than having his/her anime viewed on legal sites/streams Fair point. but do author also give money to studio for it to be adapted? why bother taking a risk if its losing instead of gaining especially generic one? 2 Million usd for 12 episodes isnt cheap so i kinda doubt if the author funded the studio. In my perspective studio get license to adapt the source. They fund their own and they get their own profit from it. I lack knowledge on that, I don't think the author can just give money to a studio to have their light novel/manga adapted. Studios also have to make some kind of earning for themselves, if the anime isn't popular enough then they wouldn't want to put in resources in producing something that make enough profit. However it's definitely a win situation for the author what so ever if they get their story adapted into an anime. |
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NYJustin said: Xaelath said: Fair point. but do author also give money to studio for it to be adapted? why bother taking a risk if its losing instead of gaining especially generic one? 2 Million usd for 12 episodes isnt cheap so i kinda doubt if the author funded the studio. In my perspective studio get license to adapt the source. They fund their own and they get their own profit from it. I lack knowledge on that, I don't think the author can just give money to a studio to have their light novel/manga adapted. Studios also have to make some kind of earning for themselves, if the anime isn't popular enough then they wouldn't want to put in resources in producing something that make enough profit. However it's definitely a win situation for the author what so ever if they get their story adapted into an anime. So author will win no matter what unless the author somehow funded the anime or bad impression of the story i guess which decrease the sale instead raising it. but that also means Author might participate on directing the story which is why it might be not fully adaped or ended up a cliffhanger to advertise the source. Maybe advertising the source will give the studio the share that author gain? Well we dont have any information about this stuff so i can just assume it looks like that. I still dont get it how they gain this "Budget" to make anime. Although the fact that as long you have this resource you can make animation except without voice. Voice Actor without doubt hired unless they try a mid to lower tier va (sorry, maybe quality or popularity and such). If i think again making anime actually doesnt cost anything if its original. If its adaptation you need license. All the software and hardware obviously provided by the studio. Another money cost would spent on the staff that working on it. Then for the voice acting. Then finally license it as a product to be broadcasted or sold in physcal/digital. Did i miss something here? |
AGodLikeTurtle said: Paul said: Rushed endings are becoming less of a thing and open endings are taking over as anime has become a format to just advertise its source counterpart in many cases. So it's not so much that shows have rushed endings anymore, rather the show itself is most likely rushed. I agree and disagree with you. I agree that open endings are taking over to help get people interested in the source material witch I don't think is a bad thing. You don't need an ending for it to be good but you need an ending for it to feel complete, I disagree with you when you say show themselves are rushed to me it feels like some are not complete witch happens when the source material hasn't finished yet. That really just varies among the source materials. Anime adaptions will try to adapt arcs to completion. Despite how open the ending is, most shows will at least try to complete the arc it is within the quota of however many cours it is. Rarely do you get shows that just end completely out of nowhere, though there are very few that have done that, and not like properly, just right in the middle of a major arc. So depending on what arcs are completed of what's currently available of the source material, they will most likely rush it to try to get more in or drag it out to try to end it properly at the end of an arc. |
| No it isn't common...it's rare. Past pacing and cutting the original script ending as an incomplete adaptation is what's usually happening. So far in this year, Kobayashi's dragon is what looks like a rushed ending to me. |
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| its a problem in a lot of short anime were they rush everything in the last 2 episodes , a lot of the shows i watched if not most of them have this problem were they dont have a proper ending |
Paul said: AGodLikeTurtle said: I agree and disagree with you. I agree that open endings are taking over to help get people interested in the source material witch I don't think is a bad thing. You don't need an ending for it to be good but you need an ending for it to feel complete, I disagree with you when you say show themselves are rushed to me it feels like some are not complete witch happens when the source material hasn't finished yet. That really just varies among the source materials. Anime adaptions will try to adapt arcs to completion. Despite how open the ending is, most shows will at least try to complete the arc it is within the quota of however many cours it is. Rarely do you get shows that just end completely out of nowhere, though there are very few that have done that, and not like properly, just right in the middle of a major arc. So depending on what arcs are completed of what's currently available of the source material, they will most likely rush it to try to get more in or drag it out to try to end it properly at the end of an arc. Yeah I definitely agree with you're point we get complete arc's but not a fully completed anime sometimes. witch I guess depending on the anime and or the source material this kind of thing can be good or bad, I feel like I would rather have an anime rush to an ending then have it drag out? Do you think this trend of open endings is having a negative effect? I think it deepens on how it's done and the source material. |
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Xaelath said: NYJustin said: I lack knowledge on that, I don't think the author can just give money to a studio to have their light novel/manga adapted. Studios also have to make some kind of earning for themselves, if the anime isn't popular enough then they wouldn't want to put in resources in producing something that make enough profit. However it's definitely a win situation for the author what so ever if they get their story adapted into an anime. So author will win no matter what unless the author somehow funded the anime or bad impression of the story i guess which decrease the sale instead raising it. but that also means Author might participate on directing the story which is why it might be not fully adaped or ended up a cliffhanger to advertise the source. Maybe advertising the source will give the studio the share that author gain? Well we dont have any information about this stuff so i can just assume it looks like that. I still dont get it how they gain this "Budget" to make anime. Although the fact that as long you have this resource you can make animation except without voice. Voice Actor without doubt hired unless they try a mid to lower tier va (sorry, maybe quality or popularity and such). If i think again making anime actually doesnt cost anything if its original. If its adaptation you need license. All the software and hardware obviously provided by the studio. Another money cost would spent on the staff that working on it. Then for the voice acting. Then finally license it as a product to be broadcasted or sold in physcal/digital. Did i miss something here? No clue lmao, I'm assuming it's a win situation for the author no matter what because anime = advertisement = higher lightnovel/manga sales |
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AGodLikeTurtle said: Paul said: That really just varies among the source materials. Anime adaptions will try to adapt arcs to completion. Despite how open the ending is, most shows will at least try to complete the arc it is within the quota of however many cours it is. Rarely do you get shows that just end completely out of nowhere, though there are very few that have done that, and not like properly, just right in the middle of a major arc. So depending on what arcs are completed of what's currently available of the source material, they will most likely rush it to try to get more in or drag it out to try to end it properly at the end of an arc. Yeah I definitely agree with you're point we get complete arc's but not a fully completed anime sometimes. witch I guess depending on the anime and or the source material this kind of thing can be good or bad, I feel like I would rather have an anime rush to an ending then have it drag out? Do you think this trend of open endings is having a negative effect? I think it deepens on how it's done and the source material. I can't really say its had a positive effect on the community that has read the source material as you can often see people talking about how much stuff is skipped or rushed from the source material, I'm sure I do it too, but I don't think anime-only watchers notice rushed adaptions as much. |
Paul said: AGodLikeTurtle said: Yeah I definitely agree with you're point we get complete arc's but not a fully completed anime sometimes. witch I guess depending on the anime and or the source material this kind of thing can be good or bad, I feel like I would rather have an anime rush to an ending then have it drag out? Do you think this trend of open endings is having a negative effect? I think it deepens on how it's done and the source material. I can't really say its had a positive effect on the community that has read the source material as you can often see people talking about how much stuff is skipped or rushed from the source material, I'm sure I do it too, but I don't think anime-only watchers notice rushed adaptions as much. That makes sense one look at my profile and you can tell I'm more of an anime watcher then I am for the source material and I don't notice it all that often. So I guess it deepens on if you know the source material. |
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Xaelath said: NYJustin said: I lack knowledge on that, I don't think the author can just give money to a studio to have their light novel/manga adapted. Studios also have to make some kind of earning for themselves, if the anime isn't popular enough then they wouldn't want to put in resources in producing something that make enough profit. However it's definitely a win situation for the author what so ever if they get their story adapted into an anime. So author will win no matter what unless the author somehow funded the anime or bad impression of the story i guess which decrease the sale instead raising it. but that also means Author might participate on directing the story which is why it might be not fully adaped or ended up a cliffhanger to advertise the source. Maybe advertising the source will give the studio the share that author gain? Well we dont have any information about this stuff so i can just assume it looks like that. I still dont get it how they gain this "Budget" to make anime. Although the fact that as long you have this resource you can make animation except without voice. Voice Actor without doubt hired unless they try a mid to lower tier va (sorry, maybe quality or popularity and such). If i think again making anime actually doesnt cost anything if its original. If its adaptation you need license. All the software and hardware obviously provided by the studio. Another money cost would spent on the staff that working on it. Then for the voice acting. Then finally license it as a product to be broadcasted or sold in physcal/digital. Did i miss something here? Most anime are funded using a production committee. For adaptations it usually includes groups like the publisher, a music company, toy company, etc. who all pool the money to fund the anime. If it's a bigger studio they may also be on the committee and it can be iffy whether the author is actually involved or how involved they actually are. Authors generally receive a licensing fee from the committee for each episode and royalties from merchandise but make most of their money from source material sales. Original anime basically have to do the same thing but the difference being the studio has a central role in setting up the committee instead of the publisher. |
| Rushed ending isn't even that bad, plus that's usually more of manga (and possibly LN?) thing. It's waaay worse when anime is just cut off in the middle of arc - and then you can only pray it gets sequel in the future. Or when they make last few episodes a filler arc, with completely different ending, and almost no chance for continuation - can't get much worse than that... |
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| I think incomplete/open-endings are more common than the rushed ones. So far the only cases of rushed endings I've seen have been FMA and Saint Seiya: Meiou Hades Elysion-hen, where I've found that clear and undoubtedly more episodes were needed to conclude the respective stories in a satisfactory way. But in general the most common practice is to just stop, adjusting the stories to make the viewer somehow feel it is being concluded, instead of taking all the remaining material left to be told and doing so in a number of episodes less than the adequate one. |
| This is funny because I was just using this concept as an example talking-point in another thread two days ago. @holysauron, I think you asked about jo-ha-kyu? Here is your explanation. isekai said: so is rush ending common in anime? and why do you think this happens? its a common complain followed by the explanation of if they did not slow down the pace like making filler like episodes in the middle of the series then they can add more plot/action to the ending arc, or something alone those kind of complains im seeing regularly This is because a rapid acceleration toward a resolution is part of a particular Japanese narrative structure called jo-ha-kyu ("beginning-break-rapid") and has its roots in Japanese theater. Jo Essentially, the first half of a show usually features the main character going about their life in a sort of status-quo situation. There may be an overarching conflict or it may simply be episodic incidents of the week. Things usually end well, the main character's conflicts aren't that dangerous and they usually win each one. Some shows start out dark, though--this means that they'll only get darker, usually. Either way, there is some sort of established stasis wherein the overarching situation doesn't really advance despite all of the little events within it. This part of the show is where characters are usually established and fleshed out. By the end of this period, we have come to know the different characters quite well and are comfortable with them. Ha However, between halfway to two-thirds of the way through the show, there's a dramatic break and everything changes. The status quo is destroyed by a major event. This is occasionally the point in which the tension level spikes--i.e. it is sometimes the actual climax of the show as opposed to where Freytag's Pyramid (the Western narrative structure) places the climax. The situation is completely overturned and chaos reigns. If there is already a conflict, it is either dramatically changed in nature or drastically resolved and replaced by an even worse conflict. Kyu A new order or status quo must emerge and will do so rapidly, through the breakneck pace in which the new conflict is resolved. This portion of the narrative is called "rapid" but a better description might be to call it "accelerating." The situation is quickly drawing to a close and by the end some new sort of status quo will be established. The key to this is understanding the Japanese approach to order and chaos. Even if there is a conflict, if that conflict is part of the status quo, then it represents a sort of universal order or way for society to behave. Ending that conflict may actually disrupt that status quo, which would lead to a chaotic reordering into a new status quo. After the new status quo is in place, the show ends abruptly with little or no denouement. This can be quite jarring to North American audiences but I've seen a number of European films that have little or no denouement as well--they end as soon as the conflict ends. It all depends on what the audience is accustomed to. This is probably what you are observing when you notice that a lot of anime endings "feel rushed." They are accelerating toward their conclusions and can feel like they leave the viewer hanging. It is not a mistake, an error of design, "bad" art, or a narrative failure but something deliberate and cultural--it is something that has been part of Japanese dramatic storytelling for at least 600 years or so. |
| @isekai I'd say so, although I believe the Western narrative structure shown by Freytag's Pyramid is also used in anime. Perhaps it has been imported? There's also Kishōtenketsu but I'm not as well-versed in how it works or if it can be harmonized with jo-ha-kyu. |
| For anime rushed till the end of an arc (but not the end of the story) Rushed endings are inevitable when series have to be fit into 1 or 2 cour, sometimes there just isn't a good point to stop (in terms of the airtime needed for the length of the material they want to adapt). Sometimes they rush to adapt too much just to stop at a good point (from a story perspective, making the story feel a bit more complete). It's really a structural problem with the anime industry and TV slots, there's really not much that can be done. as it's out of control of the studios. For anime that concludes the story (usually original) This one I'm more critical of, in particular I remember Charlotte. I'm a little more critical of this. There's really no excuse for people that are already aware that it was going to be an anime with a fixed amount of screentime, but they still chose to pump in all their complex ideas into a mess with no time to explain things properly isekai said: its a common complain followed by the explanation of if they did not slow down the pace like making filler like episodes in the middle of the series then they can add more plot/action to the ending arc, or something alone those kind of complains im seeing regularly Usually the studios already plan to adapt till a certain arc, usually a point that is a good place to stop, includes a decent number of intense climaxes and a decent length so that the pacing does not have to be warped too badly. Slowing the pace by adding filler creates the problem of less intensity for the anime and it could end up with people feeling like an entire season of an anime not accomplishing a lot. On the other hand, adding fillers and anime originals don't tend to go very well usually. Adding more plot/action could be a possible solution, but it does have the issue of not being faithful to the source material. This also means anime original content has to be made, which as I've said more often than not doesn't make the series better. |
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BurningSpirit said: Rushed endings are inevitable when series have to be fit into 1 or 2 cour, sometimes there just isn't a good point to stop (in terms of the airtime needed for the length of the material they want to adapt). Sometimes they rush to adapt too much just to stop at a good point (from a story perspective, making the story feel a bit more complete). It's really a structural problem with the anime industry and TV slots, there's really not much that can be done. as it's out of control of the studios. Can you point to any examples where people within the industry actually say this? Or is this conjecture? It seems like you're talking about adaptations and if this is actually the case, I wouldn't be surprised. This one I'm more critical of, in particular I remember Charlotte. I'm a little more critical of this. There's really no excuse for people that are already aware that it was going to be an anime with a fixed amount of screentime, but they still chose to pump in all their complex ideas into a mess with no time to explain things properly Is this what actually happened or is this actually jo-ha-kyu narrative structure? |
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Fvlminatvs said: Can you point to any examples where people within the industry actually say this? Or is this conjecture? It seems like you're talking about adaptations and if this is actually the case, I wouldn't be surprised. I don't know specific examples of people in the industry complaining about adaptations having to be in 1 or 2 cour, but we do see that almost all anime air in 10/12/13 episodes or 24/25 episodes, so calling it a conjecture would be discrediting my point a little too much. Fvlminatvs said: Is this what actually happened or is this actually jo-ha-kyu narrative structure? I can somewhat see this concept applied to music, martial arts and entertainment. However I'd argue when this concept is in use, the density of ideas, the subtlety of small differences and details decreases as the pace of the story increases. The start is slow, subtle and detailed, while the end is quick, intense and direct. This is a stark contrast to Charlotte when more stuff and ideas is being crammed into an increasingly shorter timespan. Certainly an interesting concept for you to point out, but I don't think Charlotte was trying to pull something like that at all and you're just giving them way too much credit. |
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Fvlminatvs said: This is funny because I was just using this concept as an example talking-point in another thread two days ago. @holysauron, I think you asked about jo-ha-kyu? Here is your explanation. isekai said: so is rush ending common in anime? and why do you think this happens? its a common complain followed by the explanation of if they did not slow down the pace like making filler like episodes in the middle of the series then they can add more plot/action to the ending arc, or something alone those kind of complains im seeing regularly This is because a rapid acceleration toward a resolution is part of a particular Japanese narrative structure called jo-ha-kyu ("beginning-break-rapid") and has its roots in Japanese theater. Jo Essentially, the first half of a show usually features the main character going about their life in a sort of status-quo situation. There may be an overarching conflict or it may simply be episodic incidents of the week. Things usually end well, the main character's conflicts aren't that dangerous and they usually win each one. Some shows start out dark, though--this means that they'll only get darker, usually. Either way, there is some sort of established stasis wherein the overarching situation doesn't really advance despite all of the little events within it. This part of the show is where characters are usually established and fleshed out. By the end of this period, we have come to know the different characters quite well and are comfortable with them. Ha However, between halfway to two-thirds of the way through the show, there's a dramatic break and everything changes. The status quo is destroyed by a major event. This is occasionally the point in which the tension level spikes--i.e. it is sometimes the actual climax of the show as opposed to where Freytag's Pyramid (the Western narrative structure) places the climax. The situation is completely overturned and chaos reigns. If there is already a conflict, it is either dramatically changed in nature or drastically resolved and replaced by an even worse conflict. Kyu A new order or status quo must emerge and will do so rapidly, through the breakneck pace in which the new conflict is resolved. This portion of the narrative is called "rapid" but a better description might be to call it "accelerating." The situation is quickly drawing to a close and by the end some new sort of status quo will be established. The key to this is understanding the Japanese approach to order and chaos. Even if there is a conflict, if that conflict is part of the status quo, then it represents a sort of universal order or way for society to behave. Ending that conflict may actually disrupt that status quo, which would lead to a chaotic reordering into a new status quo. After the new status quo is in place, the show ends abruptly with little or no denouement. This can be quite jarring to North American audiences but I've seen a number of European films that have little or no denouement as well--they end as soon as the conflict ends. It all depends on what the audience is accustomed to. This is probably what you are observing when you notice that a lot of anime endings "feel rushed." They are accelerating toward their conclusions and can feel like they leave the viewer hanging. It is not a mistake, an error of design, "bad" art, or a narrative failure but something deliberate and cultural--it is something that has been part of Japanese dramatic storytelling for at least 600 years or so. I think I get it and now that I think about it I have indeed seen it in use in some anime. One of them is Steins;Gate. Really it's like a masterclass in jo-ha-kyu. Thanks for the explanation. As a European myself I do want to know which of our movies have so little denouement in your eyes though, because every movie I've seen in my country at least had a pretty clear one. Or maybe it's because North-Americans need a really bold one like you see in those typical Hollywood blockbusters? Fvlminatvs said: @isekai I'd say so, although I believe the Western narrative structure shown by Freytag's Pyramid is also used in anime. Perhaps it has been imported? There's also Kishōtenketsu but I'm not as well-versed in how it works or if it can be harmonized with jo-ha-kyu. Funny you say that because I've been researching kishotenketsu for a while myself and I do consider myself to be fairly knowledgeable about it. If you have any questions about it or want a full explanation just ask me and I'll see if I can help. I did post a link in the thread I asked you about jo-ha-kyu a couple of pages before your walls of text there so maybe I can dig it up for you too. BurningSpirit said: This one I'm more critical of, in particular I remember Charlotte. I'm a little more critical of this. There's really no excuse for people that are already aware that it was going to be an anime with a fixed amount of screentime, but they still chose to pump in all their complex ideas into a mess with no time to explain things properly Charlotte seemed to be like a good example of why you shouldn't mix jo-ha-kyu and kishotenketsu together because, as Fvlminatvs said, the pacing in jo-ha-kyu accelerates towards the end while kishotenketsu in my opinion works best when you have a somewhat steady pacing. I could be wrong however. All I do know is that Jun Maeda loves his traditional Japanese story structures |
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holysauron said: Charlotte seemed to be like a good example of why you shouldn't mix jo-ha-kyu and kishotenketsu together because, as Fvlminatvs said, the pacing in jo-ha-kyu accelerates towards the end while kishotenketsu in my opinion works best when you have a somewhat steady pacing. I could be wrong however. All I do know is that Jun Maeda loves his traditional Japanese story structures I'm personally not very familiar with the actual Japanese terms with regards to concepts behind story telling, so that's for the introduction. But not knowing the terms doesn't mean I wouldn't understand with a little searching, because in reply to Fvlminatvs mentioning jo-ha-kyu I did say BurningSpirit said: which is pretty much similar to what you saidI can somewhat see this concept applied to music, martial arts and entertainment. However I'd argue when this concept is in use, the density of ideas, the subtlety of small differences and details decreases as the pace of the story increases. The start is slow, subtle and detailed, while the end is quick, intense and direct. This is a stark contrast to Charlotte when more stuff and ideas is being crammed into an increasingly shorter timespan. |
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BurningSpirit said: holysauron said: Charlotte seemed to be like a good example of why you shouldn't mix jo-ha-kyu and kishotenketsu together because, as Fvlminatvs said, the pacing in jo-ha-kyu accelerates towards the end while kishotenketsu in my opinion works best when you have a somewhat steady pacing. I could be wrong however. All I do know is that Jun Maeda loves his traditional Japanese story structures I'm personally not very familiar with the actual Japanese terms with regards to concepts behind story telling, so that's for the introduction. But not knowing the terms doesn't mean I wouldn't understand with a little searching, because in reply to Fvlminatvs mentioning jo-ha-kyu I did say BurningSpirit said: which is pretty much similar to what you saidI can somewhat see this concept applied to music, martial arts and entertainment. However I'd argue when this concept is in use, the density of ideas, the subtlety of small differences and details decreases as the pace of the story increases. The start is slow, subtle and detailed, while the end is quick, intense and direct. This is a stark contrast to Charlotte when more stuff and ideas is being crammed into an increasingly shorter timespan. Yeah, I kinda forgot I never explained kishotenketsu in this thread and not everyone visits the same threads. I'm sorry for that. I'm glad you still understood what I wanted to say with a little research on your part though. My offer for fvlminatvs also stands for you. |
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holysauron said: Yeah, I kinda forgot I never explained kishotenketsu in this thread and not everyone visits the same threads. I'm sorry for that. I'm glad you still understood what I wanted to say with a little research on your part though. My offer for fvlminatvs also stands for you. I do understand the concept now, probably could even recognise a show trying to utilise this concept. It's something that most people already understand or notice but just never came across the actual term that describes it. With regards to kishotenketsu, you mentioned how Charlotte was a good example of why it shouldn't be used together with jo-ha-kyu. Is there an example of where it was used well together? Because I can't envision it working out in any circumstance. |
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