Boku no Hero Academia 2nd Season Episode 10 Discussion

KingTy25 said:
I just finished this episode and i'm super confused, unless I missed something or misunderstood what was happening.

How did Midoriya lose????? The fight was INTERRUPTED by that rock dude hero and the female hero.

In my opinion, the fight should've been a draw or simply cancelled/stopped or something due to the INTERFERENCE that was CLEARLY intending to stop the fight midway, but then after the smoke clears, they continue to declare a winner AFTER they clearly interfered with the result of the match. And Midoriya didn't even try to win, instead he just tried to save Todoroki the entire fight.^

G_Spark233 said:

Midoriya lost because he got knocked out of the ring. Calling it a draw would've been unfair for Todoroki.

KingTy25 said:

Obviously I saw him out of bounds, but that wasn't the point I was making. The point I was try to make was that the battle was clearly interrupted by Rock Hero BEFORE Midoriya and Todoroki final clash. Midnight also made a physical attempt to interfere as well but I don't remember what she did exactly.

Basically, the fight was clearly intended to be stopped but then they turned around and still declared a winner as if Rock Hero never got involved by putting his ability/quirk between their final clash.

G_Spark233 said:

They clearly failed to stop the battle and since Midoriya got knocked out of the ring he lost. Saying it was a draw would've been unfair.

KingTy25 said:


There is no such thing as failed interference. Just because Rock Hero failed to completely stop the fight we should just ignore it because Midoriya ended up out of bounds as a result?? What IF Rock Hero's quirk put Midoriya more at a disadvantage than Todoroki (since he already had all his finger broken)? That final clash was likely Midoriya's last attack and he didn't clash 100% with Todoroki since they hit the rocks first which is the physical interference from Rock Hero.

P.S. - I'm not mad Midoriya lost, i'm glad actually. I just don't like how Rock Hero's interference is ignored. If Midoriya wasn't out of bound would everyone still ignore the interference just because he "failed" to completely stop it?? This battle had a controversial ending and it's unfair to Midoriya just as much as it is to Todoroki.

swirlydragon said:
And just like in season 1, Midoriya hasn't improved at all.
All he can do is cry and break his bones while he accomplishes NOTHING!
Result is always 0!
He can only shout and direct his punch at a opponent, but he fails to accomplish any positive result at all.
In season 1, he tried to save All Might from a bunch of villains, but failed.
And now this?
The only thing Midoriya seems to accomplish is making his enemy feel better about themself *sigh*

QueenElle said:
Geez! Deku's constant whining is so nauseating! Reminds me of Naruto!

Ston3_FreeN7 said:
Probably one of my favorite anime episodes of all time.

SandyBoi said:

10/10 for a quality joke.

I highly recommend you take out the dictionary and take a look at the meaning of the word "whine" again.

QueenElle said:


Yeah! I know what it means! and I stand on MY OPINION.

G_Spark233 said:

Tbh I don't really see how anyone can interpret what Midoriya said as "whining" either.

Deknijff said:

Man I felt this is just so incredibly rude of Deku
He is spouting how everyone is trying their best and that Todoroki is just using half of his power and that its a bad thing. While fully knowing in fact he is trying his up most hardest to be the very best he can be without being the tool of his father's plan. In fact Todoroki is trying harder than anyone else here by giving himself such a giant self handicap
fuck you Deku to guilt trip him into using his fire powers which he had the resolve to not use.
I understand he has to feel like his own person and to not feel shame for his powers that he got from his dad. But the problem his that he does use his fire powers while in training and actual combat which shows that he can accept himself as he is and in fact not using the fire here would of truly shown he is his own person and can accomplish his goals.
but now that he used his powers willingly in the tournament it only makes his dad happy which is the opposite of his intended goal. It hurts my heart that after all the struggle Todoroki has gone through to reach this point its is ignored and he is forced to go full out do to bullshit shounen MC screaming motivation from Deku
and no I don't care how cool that final scene looked.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
You're looking at this simply from one point and not the other. Todoroki only using half of his power is more insulting to the others than you think.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
Everyone here is trying their best except Todoroki.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
This makes others ambitions and goals look lackluster because Todoroki's giving a half-assed performance on a platform others are cherishing.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
And besides, if Todoroki didn't use his fire, he would've lost the fight. His body temperature was freezing and his attack were all slowing down. Midoriya would've fought him until his arms come off. Todoroki wouldn't be able to keep his stamina up for that long. If Torodoki lost the tournament, it would make all of his goals a joke, since his main intention was to be #1 without fire powers. It will only make him look wrong in front of his father.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
If Todoroki limited himself for the rest of his life, it would mean that he's letting his past pull him back. Letting yourself be held back by your past is the opposite of "character development". Midoriya didn't just make Todoroki use his fire, but he also made Todoroki realize what makes a hero.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
Midoriya didn't just make Todoroki use his fire, but he also made Todoroki realize what makes a hero.
A lot of people here are aiming to be a true hero, Todoroki's just aiming to make his father look bad. How does that make Todoroki a true hero. By accepting himself, by accepting his past, by remembering All Might's words from his childhood, by Midoriya telling him that it's his powers, it made Todoroki realize what he wants to become; a true hero. Whether you like it or not, Deku was a true hero. Sacrificing your own self for the better of others is the true meaning of a hero.

Deknijff said:
I don't think so. They are trying their best for what they want while he is trying his best for what he wants.

Deknijff said:
He was trying his best even more so than anyone else in this tournament. He challenged himself by trying to become his own person while still coming on top while being extremely challenged or limited. Its called pushing yourself to the most of your ability. Its like training with weights on your feet during regular jogging or doing push ups with just one arm instead of two

Deknijff said:
It doesn't make their own goals look lackluster. They are trying their best in their own way while he is trying his best by giving himself a handicap but still rising to the challenge of being on top.

Deknijff said:
He indeed could of lost the fight but winning the physical battle is unimportant here. This was a battle of will which is more important and he did lose there by beating Deku with fire. In fact it would of been better for him to lose this round against Deku as then he would of lost but won the inner battle within himself and stayed true to his principles. He already uses his fire powers in training and in actual combat so this was more so a self challenge do to with it just being a tournament were he could of truly challenged himself.
Him losing to Deku wouldn't have made his goals a joke. It would of showed his true resolve to push himself to the up most of his abilities. Hitting his limit wouldn't have been a shame on his part as everyone has limit within themselves but one can always stay true to their resolve even if they reach that point which Todoroki didn't do.

Deknijff said:
He should of been able to move on without the shounen screaming bullshit. He should lost and reflected on what his mother the person he seems to love the most instead said. Having Deku yell at him is only insulting to Todoroki's resolve.
He might as well said fuck you Todoroki. How dare you try so hard with achieving your goal so you can the hero you want to be while also staying true to yourself.

Deknijff said:
No he is aiming to be a hero just as much anyone else there. The only difference is that he wants to achieve this goal be being himself and not his dad's tool. If he saves people which he wants to do even without his fire powers he would still be a true hero regardless if anyone thinks he is only doing half of what he can do. Being a hero isn't about what you can do but the will to do good even when one doesn't need to.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
It's hard to talk about why this is an issue without entering spoiler territory, but you'll see later why Todoroki's actions can be considered insulting. Losing without trying your best doesn't make your opponent feel victorious. If Midoriya won the fight without Todoroki trying his best, it would definitely be insulting for Midoriya because he won't be able to truly say that he's more powerful than Todoroki.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
Challenging yourself doesn't mean that you're trying your best. It just means that forcing yourself to underperform. It's like training with weights on your feet, but then keeping those weights on during races too. It's like doing push-ups with one arm, and then limiting yourself to one arm for the rest of your life. No matter how you look at it, Todoroki's not giving his all.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
Giving yourself a handicap does not mean that you're trying your best. It just means that your ruining your potential.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
He's not being his own person at all. "Oh, I'm not gonna use my fire power because it's from my father" just shows that he's limiting himself due to someone else's influence.
By limiting himself because of someone else, he is not being himself

GoldenDevilGamer said:
If Todoroki lost the fight, and if its truly a battle of will, that means that Todoroki's will is weaker than Midoriya's.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
And his inner battle was never a right one.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
Moving forward without holding anything back is the right thing to do. All Todoroki was doing was creating childish tantrums, but now, he can be more mature about himself. Using his fire powers doesn't automatically make him like his father. How he uses his powers, how he evolves his powers into something else, all of it is up to him to decide because as Midoriya said, it's his powers. He wasn't even challenging himself, he was just trying to prove his father wrong. Him losing to Midoriya would have made his goals a joke, because he wouldn't have any resolve left. There would be no "true resolve" shown because he'd lose his resolve of being #1 by losing.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
Todoroki was just so blinded with hate that he completely forgot what he truly wanted to be. He wanted to be the hero in his childhood dreams, someone like All Might. He never truly wished to be a hero that limited himself. He stopped using his fire powers because he though that using them will make his mother hate him even more, which later on ends up being not true at all. You may have not realized it, but Todoroki is now truly the hero he always (deep down) wanted to be.

GoldenDevilGamer said:
Should Tororoki limit himself, even if it risks others lives? That's not being a hero at all. When Todoroki saw Midoriya giving his all during the fight and saying that he's doing all of this because he wants to be a "cool hero", it shows how petty his ambitions are in front of Midoriya. Here we have Midoriya, a boy who's giving it all because he wants to live up to others expectations and be the hero he always dreamed of being. And then we have Todoroki, a boy who's intentionally limiting himself, trying his best not the be the hero he really wants to be. Even his mother said to him as a child that "It's okay for you to become who you want to be". Do you really think Todoroki wants to be some who limits himself for the rest of his life?

GoldenDevilGamer said:
Besides, all of this argument is futile when Todoroki clearly admits later on that he was simply blinded by anger and was acting childish. There's a fight involving Todoroki later on the series, where if he didn't use his fire powers, him and a lot of other people would've been dead. By using his fire powers, by accepting who he is, by letting go of the past, by giving his 100% power to save others, he is finally a true hero.

Deknijff said:
Knowing who is more powerful is unimportant in this kind of thing though. Superman is without a doubt stronger than Batman but such things are unimportant when its comes to saying who is the better hero. Being a hero isn't all about being physically stronger

Deknijff said:
I understand where you're coming from. Yes he is underperforming but that doesn't mean he isn't trying his best. Sure it would of been easier for him if he used both his powers. But doing things the easy way will not help you grow. Its the push of doing something which puts you at a disadvantage yet still trying to reach the same results that you'd reach if you did use your full power which causes growth.

Deknijff said:
People will always be shaped by their surroundings and the people they are with. That is what shapes who you are. One can say Deku isn't truly himself because he wants to be best hero by living up to everyones expectations while Todoroki just has the opposite mind set. [b]He wants to be the best hero he can be by rejecting the expectations placed on him[b]. They are both being their own person

Deknijff said:
yeah as it stands Todoroki's will wavered which was my complaint here. This tournament was a way to push himself and prove to himself that he could achieve his goals without living up to his dads expectations. Then after that self reflect and move on and use the fire as a self extension. Him using fire because of Deku screaming at him ruined that. Now he simple used it because of pressure. Not because he felt he finally passed the challenge he set up for himself and then finally moving on.

Deknijff said:
I would say his inner battle was neither a wrong one or a right one. But one he had to pass to grow more as a person

Deknijff said:
Everything I put in bold I agree with
Im just saying he should of gone through all of this character development and not used his fire powers during the tournament when he challenged himself to not do so.
Him having lost physically wouldn't mean he had no true resolve. Him winning physically while breaking his personal vow though does show lack of strong resolve making his physical victory meaningless even it showed his true max potential for battle.

Deknijff said:
I agree and it is as you say
but my complaint is that this came by basic shounen MC screaming at him mocking his resolve. Todoroki is my favourite character of the show and I want him to move on and be free from these chains. But I want it to be done in a better way than this.

Deknijff said:
No of course he doesn't want to limit himself for the rest of his life. I don't want that either and I know that if it was a true battle with people in danger he would do all that he could to save them. But as Ive said. This was a tournament which would of been an excellent opportunity for him to prove to himself that he can achieve greatness without fire and then learn to accept himself fully by his mothers words when losing yet still staying true to his principles making him win the inner battle within himself.

Deknijff said:
As long as he tries to save people he is a true hero regardless if he doesn't use fire. But I'm glad you finally moved on but I just wished it could of been done in a better way than this

Mr_Shnb said:
This just topped every Attack on Titan episode! Goddamn that was amazing.